Fantine

I posted about a week ago, but I didn't get any responses. Let me try
again and hopefully, somebody who knows more about cars than I do can
help me.

I have a 07 Hyundai Elantra SE with auto transmission. Since I bought
it, the car has consistently gotten about 27-28 mpg for mostly city
mileage. However, recently, with the same driving, it's dropped to
about 25 or below. This coincided with a yellow indicator lamp that,
according to the dealer, produced two codes: P0304 (intermittent
misfire in cylinder #4 spark plug) and P0442 (small evaporative
leak). The dealer replaced the spark plug and tightened the gas tank
cap, but, the mileage hasn't improved and I've driven sufficient miles
to see a difference. Anybody know whether the first code wasn't
produced addressed by the replacement of the spark plug and that's why
the mileage hasn't improved? I haven't noticed any performance
difference in terms of smoothness of acceleration or power.

Charles

On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:02:23 -0700 (PDT), Fantine
<fantine1021@gmail.com> wrote:

>I posted about a week ago, but I didn't get any responses. Let me try
>again and hopefully, somebody who knows more about cars than I do can
>help me.
>
>I have a 07 Hyundai Elantra SE with auto transmission. Since I bought
>it, the car has consistently gotten about 27-28 mpg for mostly city
>mileage. However, recently, with the same driving, it's dropped to
>about 25 or below. This coincided with a yellow indicator lamp that,
>according to the dealer, produced two codes: P0304 (intermittent
>misfire in cylinder #4 spark plug) and P0442 (small evaporative
>leak). The dealer replaced the spark plug and tightened the gas tank
>cap, but, the mileage hasn't improved and I've driven sufficient miles
>to see a difference. Anybody know whether the first code wasn't
>produced addressed by the replacement of the spark plug and that's why
>the mileage hasn't improved? I haven't noticed any performance
>difference in terms of smoothness of acceleration or power.

Are you using the A/C more often?

Charles

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Fantine

On Jul 26, 8:05 pm, Charles wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:02:23 -0700 (PDT), Fantine
>
>
>
> <fantine1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >I posted about a week ago, but I didn't get any responses. Let me try
> >again and hopefully, somebody who knows more about cars than I do can
> >help me.
>
> >I have a 07 Hyundai Elantra SE with auto transmission. Since I bought
> >it, the car has consistently gotten about 27-28 mpg for mostly city
> >mileage. However, recently, with the same driving, it's dropped to
> >about 25 or below. This coincided with a yellow indicator lamp that,
> >according to the dealer, produced two codes: P0304 (intermittent
> >misfire in cylinder #4 spark plug) and P0442 (small evaporative
> >leak). The dealer replaced the spark plug and tightened the gas tank
> >cap, but, the mileage hasn't improved and I've driven sufficient miles
> >to see a difference. Anybody know whether the first code wasn't
> >produced addressed by the replacement of the spark plug and that's why
> >the mileage hasn't improved? I haven't noticed any performance
> >difference in terms of smoothness of acceleration or power.
>
> Are you using the A/C more often?
>
> Charles
>
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No more than I did last summer, and I didn't see the drop in mileage
then.

Victek

> I posted about a week ago, but I didn't get any responses. Let me try
> again and hopefully, somebody who knows more about cars than I do can
> help me.
>
> I have a 07 Hyundai Elantra SE with auto transmission. Since I bought
> it, the car has consistently gotten about 27-28 mpg for mostly city
> mileage. However, recently, with the same driving, it's dropped to
> about 25 or below. This coincided with a yellow indicator lamp that,
> according to the dealer, produced two codes: P0304 (intermittent
> misfire in cylinder #4 spark plug) and P0442 (small evaporative
> leak). The dealer replaced the spark plug and tightened the gas tank
> cap, but, the mileage hasn't improved and I've driven sufficient miles
> to see a difference. Anybody know whether the first code wasn't
> produced addressed by the replacement of the spark plug and that's why
> the mileage hasn't improved? I haven't noticed any performance
> difference in terms of smoothness of acceleration or power.
>
I would check the obvious first, meaning take the car back to the dealer and
have the plug checked again - sparkplug wires too. It sounds like the
mileage dropped off abruptly, but I would still check tires/pressure, air
filter, oil (is it clean?) and wheel alignment.

Fantine

On Jul 27, 12:21 am, "Victek" <Vic...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > I posted about a week ago, but I didn't get any responses. Let me try
> > again and hopefully, somebody who knows more about cars than I do can
> > help me.
>
> > I have a 07 Hyundai Elantra SE with auto transmission. Since I bought
> > it, the car has consistently gotten about 27-28 mpg for mostly city
> > mileage. However, recently, with the same driving, it's dropped to
> > about 25 or below. This coincided with a yellow indicator lamp that,
> > according to the dealer, produced two codes: P0304 (intermittent
> > misfire in cylinder #4 spark plug) and P0442 (small evaporative
> > leak). The dealer replaced the spark plug and tightened the gas tank
> > cap, but, the mileage hasn't improved and I've driven sufficient miles
> > to see a difference. Anybody know whether the first code wasn't
> > produced addressed by the replacement of the spark plug and that's why
> > the mileage hasn't improved? I haven't noticed any performance
> > difference in terms of smoothness of acceleration or power.
>
> I would check the obvious first, meaning take the car back to the dealer and
> have the plug checked again - sparkplug wires too. It sounds like the
> mileage dropped off abruptly, but I would still check tires/pressure, air
> filter, oil (is it clean?) and wheel alignment.

Oil was changed when the spark plug was "fixed," and the tire pressure
is OK. I also am going to another gas station now; I was buying at
the cheapest name brand I could find, but maybe there was a reason the
case was so cheap. So, back to the dealer we go. Are all spark plugs
the same, BTW, or are there better brands or types? (You can see I
know next to nothing about cars.) Thanks.

frijoli

Fantine wrote:
Are all spark plugs
> the same, BTW, or are there better brands or types? (You can see I
> know next to nothing about cars.) Thanks.

There is definitely a difference in gas at different stations but it
usually isn't much in regards to fuels mileage.
There are times when NEW plugs are not necessarily working plugs! Stick
with factory plugs and you will be fine.

Clay

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Fantine

On Jul 27, 8:40 am, frijoli <C...@dud.net> wrote:
> Fantine wrote:
>
> Are all spark plugs
>
> > the same, BTW, or are there better brands or types? (You can see I
> > know next to nothing about cars.) Thanks.
>
> There is definitely a difference in gas at different stations but it
> usually isn't much in regards to fuels mileage.
> There are times when NEW plugs are not necessarily working plugs! Stick
> with factory plugs and you will be fine.
>
> Clay
>
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>
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I should be able to get the car to the dealer tomorrow, so hopefully,
they'll be able to say what's going on. Frustrating to have gas
mileage go south on a car that has under 10,000 miles on it.

jim

Always the possibility that you were getting gas without Ethanol previously
and you are now getting it with ethanol. ethanol cuts down the milage.

Jim

"Fantine" <fantine1021@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 27, 12:21 am, "Victek" <Vic...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > I posted about a week ago, but I didn't get any responses. Let me try
> > again and hopefully, somebody who knows more about cars than I do can
> > help me.
>
> > I have a 07 Hyundai Elantra SE with auto transmission. Since I bought
> > it, the car has consistently gotten about 27-28 mpg for mostly city
> > mileage. However, recently, with the same driving, it's dropped to
> > about 25 or below. This coincided with a yellow indicator lamp that,
> > according to the dealer, produced two codes: P0304 (intermittent
> > misfire in cylinder #4 spark plug) and P0442 (small evaporative
> > leak). The dealer replaced the spark plug and tightened the gas tank
> > cap, but, the mileage hasn't improved and I've driven sufficient miles
> > to see a difference. Anybody know whether the first code wasn't
> > produced addressed by the replacement of the spark plug and that's why
> > the mileage hasn't improved? I haven't noticed any performance
> > difference in terms of smoothness of acceleration or power.
>
> I would check the obvious first, meaning take the car back to the dealer
> and
> have the plug checked again - sparkplug wires too. It sounds like the
> mileage dropped off abruptly, but I would still check tires/pressure, air
> filter, oil (is it clean?) and wheel alignment.

Oil was changed when the spark plug was "fixed," and the tire pressure
is OK. I also am going to another gas station now; I was buying at
the cheapest name brand I could find, but maybe there was a reason the
case was so cheap. So, back to the dealer we go. Are all spark plugs
the same, BTW, or are there better brands or types? (You can see I
know next to nothing about cars.) Thanks.

hyundaitech

Responded in your other thread before I read this one.

If you haven't reset your fuel economy reading, you may want to do that
first. If it hasn't been reset since the problem, then idling time in the
shop and data from when the problem was occurring are still included.

The conditions that would cause a P0304 (misfire on cylinder #4) will
easily cause a significant decrease in fuel economy if they continue. The
conditions that cause a P0442, on the other hand, will only cause a very
small, if even noticeable, loss in fuel economy. P0442 indicates that
there's a small fuel vapor leak.

I'm not saying there's nothing wrong in your, but in the vast majority of
cases where people complain about fuel economy, I can find nothing wrong
with the vehicle.

It's also safe to presume that if your check engine lamp hasn't come back
on, that the misfire and vapor leak have been fixed.

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Fantine

On Jul 27, 12:39 pm, "jim" <jwhite18...@nospampeoplepc.com> wrote:
> Always the possibility that you were getting gas without Ethanol previously
> and you are now getting it with ethanol. ethanol cuts down the milage.
>
> Jim
>
> "Fantine" <fantine1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a5b2d278-fbf7-4760-a7cc-88e6ce7628da@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 27, 12:21 am, "Victek" <Vic...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> > > I posted about a week ago, but I didn't get any responses. Let me try
> > > again and hopefully, somebody who knows more about cars than I do can
> > > help me.
>
> > > I have a 07 Hyundai Elantra SE with auto transmission. Since I bought
> > > it, the car has consistently gotten about 27-28 mpg for mostly city
> > > mileage. However, recently, with the same driving, it's dropped to
> > > about 25 or below. This coincided with a yellow indicator lamp that,
> > > according to the dealer, produced two codes: P0304 (intermittent
> > > misfire in cylinder #4 spark plug) and P0442 (small evaporative
> > > leak). The dealer replaced the spark plug and tightened the gas tank
> > > cap, but, the mileage hasn't improved and I've driven sufficient miles
> > > to see a difference. Anybody know whether the first code wasn't
> > > produced addressed by the replacement of the spark plug and that's why
> > > the mileage hasn't improved? I haven't noticed any performance
> > > difference in terms of smoothness of acceleration or power.
>
> > I would check the obvious first, meaning take the car back to the dealer
> > and
> > have the plug checked again - sparkplug wires too. It sounds like the
> > mileage dropped off abruptly, but I would still check tires/pressure, air
> > filter, oil (is it clean?) and wheel alignment.
>
> Oil was changed when the spark plug was "fixed," and the tire pressure
> is OK. I also am going to another gas station now; I was buying at
> the cheapest name brand I could find, but maybe there was a reason the
> case was so cheap. So, back to the dealer we go. Are all spark plugs
> the same, BTW, or are there better brands or types? (You can see I
> know next to nothing about cars.) Thanks.

I'm pretty sure that all the gas that is sold in my area is E-10, so
that shouldn't be the difference.

Fantine

On Jul 27, 4:23 pm, "hyundaitech" <notpub...@not.public.com> wrote:
> Responded in your other thread before I read this one.
>
> If you haven't reset your fuel economy reading, you may want to do that
> first. If it hasn't been reset since the problem, then idling time in the
> shop and data from when the problem was occurring are still included.
>
> The conditions that would cause a P0304 (misfire on cylinder #4) will
> easily cause a significant decrease in fuel economy if they continue. The
> conditions that cause a P0442, on the other hand, will only cause a very
> small, if even noticeable, loss in fuel economy. P0442 indicates that
> there's a small fuel vapor leak.
>
> I'm not saying there's nothing wrong in your, but in the vast majority of
> cases where people complain about fuel economy, I can find nothing wrong
> with the vehicle.
>
> It's also safe to presume that if your check engine lamp hasn't come back
> on, that the misfire and vapor leak have been fixed.
>
> --
> Message posted usinghttp://www.talkaboutautos.com/group/alt.autos.hyundai/
> More information athttp://www.talkaboutautos.com/faq.html

I did re-set the economy when I left the dealership. In fact, in the
weeks since the problem occurred, I've done more highway driving than
I usually do, so if anything, I probably should be getting better
mileage than before, but that's not the case. And I'm the proverbial
LOL (little old lady) driver who doesn't gun the engine and
accelerates gently.

I was afraid that you were going to say that if the check engine lamp
was off, the misfire was fixed. I have an appointment about five
minutes from the dealership tomorrow, so I might as well go there and
ask them to check the car out. Thanks for your help, and I'll report
back.

Bob Bailin

"Fantine" <fantine1021@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>I posted about a week ago, but I didn't get any responses. Let me try
> again and hopefully, somebody who knows more about cars than I do can
> help me.
>
> I have a 07 Hyundai Elantra SE with auto transmission. Since I bought
> it, the car has consistently gotten about 27-28 mpg for mostly city
> mileage. However, recently, with the same driving, it's dropped to
> about 25 or below. This coincided with a yellow indicator lamp that,
> according to the dealer, produced two codes: P0304 (intermittent
> misfire in cylinder #4 spark plug) and P0442 (small evaporative
> leak). The dealer replaced the spark plug and tightened the gas tank
> cap, but, the mileage hasn't improved and I've driven sufficient miles
> to see a difference. Anybody know whether the first code wasn't
> produced addressed by the replacement of the spark plug and that's why
> the mileage hasn't improved? I haven't noticed any performance
> difference in terms of smoothness of acceleration or power.

One more thing to check is the front brakes which might be dragging.
A simple way to check this is to remove the front wheel covers when
the car is cold and then drive the car for about three to five miles,
preferably on the highway with as few stops as possible. Touch
each front wheel and center hub where the axle end is. Both should
be no more than slightly warmer than air temp, and both sides should
be at the same temp. If either side is hot to the touch, then the brakes
are dragging on that side, not enough to pull the car to that side or
to make it feel sluggish, but enough to affect gas mileage.

The rear brakes could be doing the same, but it's unlikely with a
car that new.

Bob