Neil

Just in case Hyundai are listening, yesterday was the first* time I *really*
wished I had a V6 in my 04 EGT.

I was driving on I-495 around Washington DC in the heavy rain, and had to
have the HVAC set to the first de-mist setting (both de-mist and blow air to
feet) which of course means the AC is running to keep the window clear. The
AC sucks so much power that the auto box (is the 5-speed any faster with the
AC on?) does not change down a gear quick enough to accelerate away from
emergency situations or those annoying
SUV-driving-lights-off-left-lane-hogs!

I really like my EGT, but wouldn't buy another unless it had a 6-cyl and/or
more oomph!

*ok, ok, the first time was when I couldn't keep up with a chevy S-10 at the
lights.

Pete

dump the auto and get a 5 speed..;-) I have one and I have no problems
getting outta trouble when I need to...


Pete..
"Neil" <NOSPAMnbrad@hotmail.invalid.com> wrote in message
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> Just in case Hyundai are listening, yesterday was the first* time I
> *really*
> wished I had a V6 in my 04 EGT.
>
> I was driving on I-495 around Washington DC in the heavy rain, and had to
> have the HVAC set to the first de-mist setting (both de-mist and blow air
> to
> feet) which of course means the AC is running to keep the window clear.
> The
> AC sucks so much power that the auto box (is the 5-speed any faster with
> the
> AC on?) does not change down a gear quick enough to accelerate away from
> emergency situations or those annoying
> SUV-driving-lights-off-left-lane-hogs!
>
> I really like my EGT, but wouldn't buy another unless it had a 6-cyl
> and/or
> more oomph!
>
> *ok, ok, the first time was when I couldn't keep up with a chevy S-10 at
> the
> lights.
>

Brian Nystrom

Pete wrote:
> dump the auto and get a 5 speed..;-) I have one and I have no problems
> getting outta trouble when I need to...

Exactly my sentiments. The 5 speed gives you all the accelleration you
need, with better gas mileage and better control in slippery winter
conditions. A V6 auto would simply be a heavier, more expensive gas
hog...relatively speaking, of course.

Neil

"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:3Vkle.349$Lb.254@trndny05...
> Pete wrote:
> > dump the auto and get a 5 speed..;-) I have one and I have no problems
> > getting outta trouble when I need to...
>
> Exactly my sentiments. The 5 speed gives you all the accelleration you
> need, with better gas mileage and better control in slippery winter
> conditions. A V6 auto would simply be a heavier, more expensive gas
> hog...relatively speaking, of course.

So the answer to my question about whether the 5-speed is any faster [than
the auto] with the AC on -- is that there is no discernible difference in
performance of the 5-speed regardless of the AC running? I accept that a
manual is preferable over an auto in providing better driver response and
feedback, but my concern is that the I-4 is just not powerful enough when
the AC is running.

hyundaitech

You'll still notice the difference in power if you pay attention. The big
advantage, like you say, is that you control the planning and shifting.
The 4cyl is powerful enough if it's in the right gear.

Neil

"hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
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> You'll still notice the difference in power if you pay attention. The big
> advantage, like you say, is that you control the planning and shifting.
> The 4cyl is powerful enough if it's in the right gear.
>
>

With the auto, and with the AC on, you definitely have to plant your foot
harder to force a change up. I liken it to getting bogged down in 4th gear
at 30mph for example. With the AC off, I'm very happy with the performance
of the engine and auto box when driving aggressively when merging,
overtaking, or accelerating up hill for example.

IMO, the auto would benefit greatly from either a 'sport' mode that changes
gears at a higher RPM, or the ability to manually hang onto a gear longer
before changing down. I know that the adaptive 'box is supposed to learn
your driving style, and with some practice it is possible to accelerate
harder and consequently rev higher before the gear change, but being able to
have more control without having to go with the 5-speed option would help.
Unfortunately I'm not the only driver, so the auto was the only option.

Paul R

"Neil" <NOSPAMnbrad@hotmail.invalid.com> wrote in message
news:4294d8ce$0$79458$14726298@news.sunsite.dk...
> Just in case Hyundai are listening, yesterday was the first* time I
*really*
> wished I had a V6 in my 04 EGT.
>
> I was driving on I-495 around Washington DC in the heavy rain, and had to
> have the HVAC set to the first de-mist setting (both de-mist and blow air
to
> feet) which of course means the AC is running to keep the window clear.
The
> AC sucks so much power that the auto box (is the 5-speed any faster with
the
> AC on?) does not change down a gear quick enough to accelerate away from
> emergency situations or those annoying
> SUV-driving-lights-off-left-lane-hogs!
>
> I really like my EGT, but wouldn't buy another unless it had a 6-cyl
and/or
> more oomph!
>
> *ok, ok, the first time was when I couldn't keep up with a chevy S-10 at
the
> lights.
>

Forgive my ignorance, but why did you need AC?

Couldn't you have just turned it off to make the pass?

You sound a bit like the people who decide they need a hummer because once a
year they might have to drive on a gravel road.

I never use AC for defrosting my windows. In fact, I only use it a few times
a summer (when it's unbearably hot >30°C ) because I can feel the additional
drag on the engine. I can almost see the dollar bills flying out my exhaust.

Cheers,
Paul

Neil

"Paul R" <no@way.com> wrote in message news:3fmlijF8l31cU1@individual.net...
>
<snip>
>
> Forgive my ignorance, but why did you need AC?
>
> Couldn't you have just turned it off to make the pass?
>
> You sound a bit like the people who decide they need a hummer because once
a
> year they might have to drive on a gravel road.
>
> I never use AC for defrosting my windows. In fact, I only use it a few
times
> a summer (when it's unbearably hot >30°C ) because I can feel the
additional
> drag on the engine. I can almost see the dollar bills flying out my
exhaust.
>
> Cheers,
> Paul
>

Your ignorance is forgiven as I thought I'd explained it clear enough in the
first line of the second paragraph. In certain conditions when it's
raining, and humid, the windscreen fogs up even when cool air is blowing out
of the windscreen vents. Moving the HVAC control to the de-mist setting
automatically uses the AC even when the AC button is not pressed,
consequently causing a drag on your performance as you point out. I could
have opened the side window which might have helped, but it was raining
heavy and I didn't want to get wet!

Otherwise you're right -- turning off the AC in those situations where you
need every last hp available would certainly be a good suggestion. However
not in this situation where I needed to see out of the windscreen.

As for sounding "...a bit like the people who decide they need a hummer
because once a year they might have to drive on a gravel road."; I'm not
sure what gives you that impression. I thought I sounded like someone that
wanted their car to perform better when the AC is on, by having larger
engine displacement, more hp, and more torque. But I'm prepared to stand
corrected. ;-)

As for actual AC usage during those DC-area hot dogs-breath days, I'm
inclined to agree. I always open the sunroof and windows for as long as I
can before switching on the AC, but when you're stuck on the beltway in
commuter hell, when it's over 90 degrees every day for a week, and you can't
even get above 30mph, you really don't care about the decrease in MPG.

I suspect you're probably living in a much more temperate climate, and for
you a shower after work is an option, not a requirement*! Or maybe you just
smell. ;-)

*Not my own quote, but I don't recall where I heard it.

Jody

hey neil

you thought about getting th ose nice smoked window visors?
we have them on our two door accent and i love them....
you can buy them for next to nothihng at auto store or jc whitney..
that way u can have fresh air when its raining and reduces wind noise too
when windows wide open
http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/I...19168110074074

"Neil" <NOSPAMnbrad@hotmail.invalid.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Paul R" <no@way.com> wrote in message
> news:3fmlijF8l31cU1@individual.net...
>>
> <snip>
>>
>> Forgive my ignorance, but why did you need AC?
>>
>> Couldn't you have just turned it off to make the pass?
>>
>> You sound a bit like the people who decide they need a hummer because
>> once
> a
>> year they might have to drive on a gravel road.
>>
>> I never use AC for defrosting my windows. In fact, I only use it a few
> times
>> a summer (when it's unbearably hot >30°C ) because I can feel the
> additional
>> drag on the engine. I can almost see the dollar bills flying out my
> exhaust.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Paul
>>
>
> Your ignorance is forgiven as I thought I'd explained it clear enough in
> the
> first line of the second paragraph. In certain conditions when it's
> raining, and humid, the windscreen fogs up even when cool air is blowing
> out
> of the windscreen vents. Moving the HVAC control to the de-mist setting
> automatically uses the AC even when the AC button is not pressed,
> consequently causing a drag on your performance as you point out. I could
> have opened the side window which might have helped, but it was raining
> heavy and I didn't want to get wet!
>
> Otherwise you're right -- turning off the AC in those situations where you
> need every last hp available would certainly be a good suggestion.
> However
> not in this situation where I needed to see out of the windscreen.
>
> As for sounding "...a bit like the people who decide they need a hummer
> because once a year they might have to drive on a gravel road."; I'm not
> sure what gives you that impression. I thought I sounded like someone
> that
> wanted their car to perform better when the AC is on, by having larger
> engine displacement, more hp, and more torque. But I'm prepared to stand
> corrected. ;-)
>
> As for actual AC usage during those DC-area hot dogs-breath days, I'm
> inclined to agree. I always open the sunroof and windows for as long as I
> can before switching on the AC, but when you're stuck on the beltway in
> commuter hell, when it's over 90 degrees every day for a week, and you
> can't
> even get above 30mph, you really don't care about the decrease in MPG.
>
> I suspect you're probably living in a much more temperate climate, and for
> you a shower after work is an option, not a requirement*! Or maybe you
> just
> smell. ;-)
>
> *Not my own quote, but I don't recall where I heard it.
>

Neil

"Jody" <jaaribare@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:SBqle.9208$dZ5.775844@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> hey neil
>
> you thought about getting th ose nice smoked window visors?
> we have them on our two door accent and i love them....
> you can buy them for next to nothihng at auto store or jc whitney..
> that way u can have fresh air when its raining and reduces wind noise too
> when windows wide open
>
http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/I...19168110074074

I've been looking at these, but can't decide if I want them clear or tinted.
I keep seeing a Saab near my office that has his windows tinted, but these
visors clear, and at first glance you don't even notice the visors. I
wouldn't exactly call $57 next to nothing, but agree they wouldn't break the
bank.

Swingman

"Neil" <NOSPAMnbrad@hotmail.invalid.com> wrote in message
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>
> "hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
> news:df601e80de494a22f1a91a5b1308f86f@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
>> You'll still notice the difference in power if you pay
>> attention. The big
>> advantage, like you say, is that you control the planning
>> and shifting.
>> The 4cyl is powerful enough if it's in the right gear.
>>
>>
>
> With the auto, and with the AC on, you definitely have to
> plant your foot
> harder to force a change up. I liken it to getting bogged
> down in 4th gear
> at 30mph for example. With the AC off, I'm very happy with
> the performance
> of the engine and auto box when driving aggressively when
> merging,
> overtaking, or accelerating up hill for example.
>
> IMO, the auto would benefit greatly from either a 'sport'
> mode that changes
> gears at a higher RPM, or the ability to manually hang
> onto a gear longer
> before changing down. I know that the adaptive 'box is
> supposed to learn
> your driving style, and with some practice it is possible
> to accelerate
> harder and consequently rev higher before the gear change,
> but being able to
> have more control without having to go with the 5-speed
> option would help.
> Unfortunately I'm not the only driver, so the auto was the
> only option.

I have the 2003 Elantra GLS with the 5 speed. As
Hyundaitech said, the drag is noticeable on the 5 speed too,
but you of course you can select a different gear when you
need to. I also find myself turning off the AC temporarily
when I need more acceleration. A good trick is to turn off
the fan which will also turn off the AC compressor -
sometimes that's easier when the air flow dial is set to
defrost or defrost/floor.

Michael

"Swingman" <sbt@silcom.com> wrote in message
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>A good trick is to turn off the fan which will also turn off the AC
>compressor - sometimes that's easier when the air flow dial is set to defrost
>or defrost/floor.


Is this true ??
Never heard this.............also for a 2002 ?

Anyone

Swingman

"Michael" <mcb4u@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Swingman" <sbt@silcom.com> wrote in message
> news:fB1me.2758$rk.1893@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com ...
>>A good trick is to turn off the fan which will also turn
>>off the AC compressor - sometimes that's easier when the
>>air flow dial is set to defrost or defrost/floor.
>
>
> Is this true ??
> Never heard this.............also for a 2002 ?
>
> Anyone

You can test it by turning on the AC and then turning off
the fan - on the 2003 the AC light will turn off. Perhaps
Hyundaitech will jump in with an explanation?

Brian Nystrom

Neil wrote:
> "Jody" <jaaribare@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:SBqle.9208$dZ5.775844@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
>
>>hey neil
>>
>>you thought about getting th ose nice smoked window visors?
>>we have them on our two door accent and i love them....
>>you can buy them for next to nothihng at auto store or jc whitney..
>>that way u can have fresh air when its raining and reduces wind noise too
>>when windows wide open
>>
>
> http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/I...19168110074074
>
> I've been looking at these, but can't decide if I want them clear or tinted.
> I keep seeing a Saab near my office that has his windows tinted, but these
> visors clear, and at first glance you don't even notice the visors. I
> wouldn't exactly call $57 next to nothing, but agree they wouldn't break the
> bank.
>
Clear ones will get scratched, dirty and yellowed in pretty short order,
and look like crap. Go with tinted.

hyundaitech

They're on the money. The A/C compressor won't run if the blower is turned
off.