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Re: found this on the web for Hyundai Tech Service
"Doron Levy" <doron.levy@rogers.com> wrote in message news:I5KYc.942$JFK1.424@news04.bloor.is.net.cable. rogers.com... > http://www.hmaservice.com/webtech/ > Oh, you mean this?: "We're sorry, WebTech only works with Internet Explorer, version 5 or greater. " |
Re: found this on the web for Hyundai Tech Service
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:30:08 -0400, screwtape iii staggered into the
Black Sun and said: > "Doron Levy" <doron.levy@rogers.com> wrote in message > news:I5KYc.942$JFK1.424@news04.bloor.is.net.cable. rogers.com... >> http://www.hmaservice.com/webtech/ This ought to be in the FAQ for this newsgroup. > "We're sorry, WebTech only works with Internet Explorer, version 5 or > greater. " Their "web designers" used client-side Visual Baysick Script. Even if you fake the User-Agent with Firefox/Safari, it won't work because nothing but I.Exploder supports VB. All the information on the site is in PDF or HTML, but the interface is I.Exploder-only. Yes, they ignored the precept that says "a web site should be set up such that it can be used as a straight directory tree, without any client- or server-side intelligence." Wankers. So: Set up a cron job to visit the site every few hours using Mozilla or Firefox or Safari, so they see that people using Real Browsers are interested in the site[0]. Find the contact info for the people in charge of the website and fire off a polite e-mail[0]. Appeal to their mercenary instincts by saying, "I don't use Windows and I'd like to use your Webtech site. If I can't visit Webtech with (Firefox/Safari/lynx) then I'll go buy a (Nissan/Ford/Maybach)." Might work if enough people do it. [0] This assumes that they look at the server logs and don't dump all email to webmaster@ to /dev/null. These assumptions may be incorrect. -- Matt G|There is no Darkness in eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see Your very best intentions probably involve guns and knives and a large concept leap. --MegaHAL, trained on random gibberish Hire me! http://crow202.dyndns.org/~mhgraham/resume/ |
Re: found this on the web for Hyundai Tech Service
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Thanks for explaining that. I wondered what the reason for incompatibility was. > So: Set up a cron job to visit the site every few hours using Mozilla > or Firefox or Safari, so they see that people using Real Browsers are > interested in the site[0]. Find the contact info for the people in charge > of the website and fire off a polite e-mail[0]. Appeal to their > mercenary instincts by saying, "I don't use Windows and I'd like to use > your Webtech site. If I can't visit Webtech with (Firefox/Safari/lynx) > then I'll go buy a (Nissan/Ford/Maybach)." Might work if enough people > do it. Or you can just install IE and be done with it. Although I prefer Netscape, there are quite a few sites out there that will only work with IE. As much as I dislike Microsoft, accessing the content I need is more important than any religious devotion to an alternative browser, so I use Netscape whenever possible and IE only when necessary. |
Re: found this on the web for Hyundai Tech Service
Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@att.net> wrote:
> Or you can just install IE and be done with it. Oh, I must've missed when they released IE for Linux... Moshe -- *** SPAM BLOCK: Remove bra before replying! *** http://runslinux.net :: moshe at runslinux dot net :: AIM: Jehsom |
Re: found this on the web for Hyundai Tech Service
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:07:59 GMT, Brian Nystrom staggered into the Black
Sun and said: > Dances With Crows wrote: >> or Firefox or Safari, so they see that people using Real Browsers are >> interested in the site. Find the contact info for the people in >> charge of the website and fire off a polite e-mail. Appeal to their >> mercenary instincts by saying, "I don't use Windows and I'd like to >> use your Webtech site." > Or you can just install IE and be done with it. Huh? You are aware, are you not, that it's impossible to uninstall I.Exploder on 'Doze2K or 'DozeXP, and that I.Exploder (version 5 or higher) does not exist for any OSes other than Windows or OS X? > Although I prefer Netscape, there are quite a few sites out there that > will only work with IE. Netscape is nothing more than a behind-the-times Mozilla with additional AOL branding. I've heard of these IE-only sites but I'd never seen one until I tried to visit Hyundai's Webtech site. (Yes, the National City online banking site works fine with Mozilla/Firefox.) > As much as I dislike Microsoft, accessing the content I need is more > important than any religious devotion to an alternative browser I.Exploder has many, many security holes that can easily lead to your Windows machine being stuffed with spyware/malware. It also lacks tabbed browsing. If I run into a site that doesn't work with Firefox, I'll send a message to the webmaster explaining that the site is badly designed, and that I'm visiting their competitors' sites until they make their site work with open standards and standards-compliant browsers. -- Matt G|There is no Darkness in eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see Hire me! http://crow202.dyndns.org/~mhgraham/resume/ You have me mixed up with more creative ways of being stupid. --MegaHAL |
Re: found this on the web for Hyundai Tech Service
Dances With Crows wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:07:59 GMT, Brian Nystrom staggered into the Black > Sun and said: > >>Dances With Crows wrote: >> >>>or Firefox or Safari, so they see that people using Real Browsers are >>>interested in the site. Find the contact info for the people in >>>charge of the website and fire off a polite e-mail. Appeal to their >>>mercenary instincts by saying, "I don't use Windows and I'd like to >>>use your Webtech site." >> >>Or you can just install IE and be done with it. > > Huh? You are aware, are you not, that it's impossible to uninstall > I.Exploder on 'Doze2K or 'DozeXP, and that I.Exploder (version 5 or > higher) does not exist for any OSes other than Windows or OS X? No, it's not impossible to uninstall it, but it can be problematic since some other applications depend on components of IE. Frankly, I find that more annoying than incompatible web sites. As for other OS's, you know that when you choose to use one. Yes, it's a lousy situation, but for now, we're stuck with Windows as the "standard". I dislike it intensely, too, but I dislike not being able to access important information even more. >>Although I prefer Netscape, there are quite a few sites out there that >>will only work with IE. > > Netscape is nothing more than a behind-the-times Mozilla with additional > AOL branding. And your point would be...? > I've heard of these IE-only sites but I'd never seen one > until I tried to visit Hyundai's Webtech site. (Yes, the National City > online banking site works fine with Mozilla/Firefox.) I've run into several of them. >>As much as I dislike Microsoft, accessing the content I need is more >>important than any religious devotion to an alternative browser > I.Exploder has many, many security holes that can easily lead to your > Windows machine being stuffed with spyware/malware. I've had no trouble with anything of the kind since installing a firewall. I scan regularly for spyware, anyway. > It also lacks tabbed browsing. Yeah, that sucks. I'm not defending IE as a product, as I don't like it either. It's just the most expedient way of dealing with sites that won't work with other browsers. > If I run into a site that doesn't work with Firefox, > I'll send a message to the webmaster explaining that the site is badly > designed, and that I'm visiting their competitors' sites until they make > their site work with open standards and standards-compliant browsers. That's great, but how effective has it been? While I absolutely agree with you in principle, but from a practical standpoint, if I need specific content - such as the data on WebTech - I'm not going to wait around to see if the Webmaster is going to change their site to suit my browser. |
Re: found this on the web for Hyundai Tech Service
Moshe Jacobson wrote:
> Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@att.net> wrote: > >>Or you can just install IE and be done with it. > > Oh, I must've missed when they released IE for Linux... And exactly how many people on this newsgroups use Linux? I'll wager that there are even more people using OS-X than Linux. When you're a minority in the marketplace, you have to expect such issues. Besides, if Microsoft wrote IE for Linux, how many Linux users would use it? You'd probably be able to count them on one hand. |
Re: found this on the web for Hyundai Tech Service
Brian Nystrom so eloquently wrote:
> Moshe Jacobson wrote: > >> Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@att.net> wrote: >> >>>Or you can just install IE and be done with it. >> >> Oh, I must've missed when they released IE for Linux... > > And exactly how many people on this newsgroups use Linux? I'll wager > that there are even more people using OS-X than Linux. When you're a > minority in the marketplace, you have to expect such issues. Besides, if > Microsoft wrote IE for Linux, how many Linux users would use it? You'd > probably be able to count them on one hand. Well I'd think you might lose that bet soon if not already. As regards your comment on "minority in the marketplace"- that assertion definitely depends on: a) which marketplace you're referring to (US, Asia, EU, etc.), and b) what system-type (desktop, server) you're considering. Statistically, Linux is NOT a minority in all categories The simple issue is that the Hyundai WedTech site was NOT constructed utilizing INDUSTRY standards but rather PROPRIETARY vendor-specific "standards". A most unfortunate circumstance, since there is absolutely NO technical nor service-dependent reason to adopt such posture. Simply, the web site "designers" took an expedient and frankly unjustified design approach. Unjustified in that: 1) Korea (Hyundai's REAL home site) has multiple initiatives regarding Open Standards (and Linux in particular): http://www.asiaosc.org/article_229.html http://www.newsforge.com/software/03.../2056234.shtml http://www.silicon.com/software/os/0...0006225,00.htm http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/01...ivil_servants/ http://www.asiaosc.org/article_229.html 2) Hyundai itself is adopting not only open Standards but Open Source (Linux) as well: http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/biz/...8050911910.htm 3) Open Standards do (and would have) provide equal if not more service flexibility, capability, and ease-of-use (non-browser/OS dependent) Bottom-line, the WebTech site was NOT optimally designed and can easily be adjusted to provide end-user capabilities which more effectively align with Hyundai's (Korea, EU, Latin America, Australia, US, etc) scope and goal of maximizing it's customer's objectives.. Regards, Robert G. Ragosta -- Linux User #273716 / Linux Machine #227435 KNode 0.7.2 / Mdk 9.2.1 / XFce 4.05 / KDE 3.1.4 "Which is better- Artificial intelligence or REAL stupidity...?" |
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