Re: Frequent -3K- mandatory service tro[s tp tej Hyundai dealershipnecessary for warranty maintenance ?
 

Eric G. wrote:
> Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in
> news:Sevyg.60$Db4.3688@news1.epix.net:
>
>> Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
>>> In every car I have ever owned, I have always ended up ignoring the
>>> recommended maintenance frequency when it comes to oil changes.
>>>
>>> I don't do this flippantly. I have an '02 Elantra, and after having
>>> owned it for six months, and about two oil changes, the oil itself
>>> now tells me to change it every 6000 miles (I always use synthetic).
>> Your oil talks to you?
>
> Matt, he is a Reverand. I guess it is the Church of the Fossil Fuels :-)
> Oh wait, that would make him a US politician, I mean a Republican :-P

Republicans are politicians? I thought you had to be human to be a
politician... ;)

JS

Re: Frequent -3K- mandatory service tro[s tp tej Hyundai dealershipnecessary for warranty maintenance ?
 

JS wrote:
> Eric G. wrote:
>
>> Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in
>> news:Sevyg.60$Db4.3688@news1.epix.net:
>>
>>> Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
>>>
>>>> In every car I have ever owned, I have always ended up ignoring the
>>>> recommended maintenance frequency when it comes to oil changes.
>>>>
>>>> I don't do this flippantly. I have an '02 Elantra, and after having
>>>> owned it for six months, and about two oil changes, the oil itself
>>>> now tells me to change it every 6000 miles (I always use synthetic).
>>>
>>> Your oil talks to you?
>>
>>
>> Matt, he is a Reverand. I guess it is the Church of the Fossil Fuels
>> :-) Oh wait, that would make him a US politician, I mean a Republican
>> :-P
>
>
> Republicans are politicians? I thought you had to be human to be a
> politician... ;)

Fortunately for Democrats, to be a politician, you don't have to be
capable of rational thought or be able to form a coherent sentence.

Re: Frequent -3K- mandatory service tro[s tp tej Hyundai dealershipnecessary for warranty maintenance ?
 

JS wrote:
> Eric G. wrote:
>
>> Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in
>> news:Sevyg.60$Db4.3688@news1.epix.net:
>>
>>> Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
>>>
>>>> In every car I have ever owned, I have always ended up ignoring the
>>>> recommended maintenance frequency when it comes to oil changes.
>>>>
>>>> I don't do this flippantly. I have an '02 Elantra, and after having
>>>> owned it for six months, and about two oil changes, the oil itself
>>>> now tells me to change it every 6000 miles (I always use synthetic).
>>>
>>> Your oil talks to you?
>>
>>
>> Matt, he is a Reverand. I guess it is the Church of the Fossil Fuels
>> :-) Oh wait, that would make him a US politician, I mean a Republican
>> :-P
>
>
> Republicans are politicians? I thought you had to be human to be a
> politician... ;)

Fortunately for Democrats, to be a politician, you don't have to be
capable of rational thought or be able to form a coherent sentence.

Re: Frequent -3K- mandatory service tro[s tp tej Hyundai dealershipnecessary for warranty maintenance ?
 

JS wrote:
> Eric G. wrote:
>
>> Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in
>> news:Sevyg.60$Db4.3688@news1.epix.net:
>>
>>> Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
>>>
>>>> In every car I have ever owned, I have always ended up ignoring the
>>>> recommended maintenance frequency when it comes to oil changes.
>>>>
>>>> I don't do this flippantly. I have an '02 Elantra, and after having
>>>> owned it for six months, and about two oil changes, the oil itself
>>>> now tells me to change it every 6000 miles (I always use synthetic).
>>>
>>> Your oil talks to you?
>>
>>
>> Matt, he is a Reverand. I guess it is the Church of the Fossil Fuels
>> :-) Oh wait, that would make him a US politician, I mean a Republican
>> :-P
>
>
> Republicans are politicians? I thought you had to be human to be a
> politician... ;)

Fortunately for Democrats, to be a politician, you don't have to be
capable of rational thought or be able to form a coherent sentence.

Re: Frequent -3K- mandatory service tro[s tp tej Hyundai dealershipnecessary for warranty maintenance ?
 

Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
> In every car I have ever owned, I have always ended up ignoring the
> recommended maintenance frequency when it comes to oil changes.
>
> I don't do this flippantly. I have an '02 Elantra, and after having owned
> it for six months, and about two oil changes, the oil itself now tells me to
> change it every 6000 miles (I always use synthetic). I also have an
> Oldsmobile that has become my first (ever) vehicle to seem perfectly fine
> with the 7500 mile interval.
>
> But then I have an '04 Kia Sedona, and I don't dare go a mile more than 4000
> with it, no matter what oil I use. In years past, I had a Pontiac car built
> by Daewoo of Korea that pretty much maxed out its oil at 2500 miles, even
> using synthetic.
>
> Mazda, or whomever, may make all the recommendations they want. But similar
> recommendations by Toyota have resulted in a bad sludging problem in a lot
> of Camry engines - problems that could have been avoided if the owners would
> have paid closer attention to their oil, and changed it when it really
> needed it, rather than when a maintenace book told them to.

Yep. I think another major part of the problem is the oil filter
itself. The Santa Fe's factory filter has at least 2x more surface area
than any "book" aftermarket filter I've found for the Santa Fe so far.

1995 Corvette Non-ZR1 oil filter - Wix Part 51324
http://www.wixfilters.com/filterlook...asp?Part=51324

2001 Hyundai Santa Fe 2.7 oil filter - Wix part 51334
http://www.wixfilters.com/filterlook...asp?Part=51334

The 51324 fits great on our 01 and 03 Santa Fe 2.7's. The O-ring size
is slightly larger than the book OEM replacement but the plate still has
3mm to spare all around. I saw one slightly larger filter available
that would fit and meet the required specs but it wasn't a regularly
stocked item at my local parts houses (its some Isuzu diesel filter...)

> This doesn't necessarily work with other services (I SERIOUSLY advise people
> to change timing belts at or by the recommended maintenance interval, for
> example). But for oil, it has never failed me. And for a person who puts
> 200,000 miles and more on his cars, I have needed my oil to do what it does
> best in my car engines.

More importantly people should take the time to inspect the timing belt
at least every 20k miles. Its not that hard to get the cover off, even
on the 2.7...

> So, whichever vehicle one buys (my wife SO dearly loves the Santa Fe), just
> watch your oil, and keep it changed as (really) needed, and document all
> your oil changes.

Documenting maintenance leads to better resale values, too.

> Cars may be getting complicated, but not when it comes to changing oil
> (though it sounds like all the extra steps required in the Tucson is trying
> to change that. That alone would be enough for a person who changes all his
> own oil - like me - to look elsewhere). Change it yourself, get better oil
> and better filters for less money, and you will really get into watching
> your own oil and intervals.

Yep. You don't even have to dig deep in your wallet to get decent oil
these days. Walmart sells their supertech full-synthetic in 5 quart
bottles for about the same price as Castrol GTX dino. Its not quite
Mobil-1, but unless you race or abusively tow the increased upper-end
thermal capacity of Mobil1 isn't really required.

Its hard to turn down $2.25/qt vs $5.25/qt...

JS

Re: Frequent -3K- mandatory service tro[s tp tej Hyundai dealershipnecessary for warranty maintenance ?
 

Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
> In every car I have ever owned, I have always ended up ignoring the
> recommended maintenance frequency when it comes to oil changes.
>
> I don't do this flippantly. I have an '02 Elantra, and after having owned
> it for six months, and about two oil changes, the oil itself now tells me to
> change it every 6000 miles (I always use synthetic). I also have an
> Oldsmobile that has become my first (ever) vehicle to seem perfectly fine
> with the 7500 mile interval.
>
> But then I have an '04 Kia Sedona, and I don't dare go a mile more than 4000
> with it, no matter what oil I use. In years past, I had a Pontiac car built
> by Daewoo of Korea that pretty much maxed out its oil at 2500 miles, even
> using synthetic.
>
> Mazda, or whomever, may make all the recommendations they want. But similar
> recommendations by Toyota have resulted in a bad sludging problem in a lot
> of Camry engines - problems that could have been avoided if the owners would
> have paid closer attention to their oil, and changed it when it really
> needed it, rather than when a maintenace book told them to.

Yep. I think another major part of the problem is the oil filter
itself. The Santa Fe's factory filter has at least 2x more surface area
than any "book" aftermarket filter I've found for the Santa Fe so far.

1995 Corvette Non-ZR1 oil filter - Wix Part 51324
http://www.wixfilters.com/filterlook...asp?Part=51324

2001 Hyundai Santa Fe 2.7 oil filter - Wix part 51334
http://www.wixfilters.com/filterlook...asp?Part=51334

The 51324 fits great on our 01 and 03 Santa Fe 2.7's. The O-ring size
is slightly larger than the book OEM replacement but the plate still has
3mm to spare all around. I saw one slightly larger filter available
that would fit and meet the required specs but it wasn't a regularly
stocked item at my local parts houses (its some Isuzu diesel filter...)

> This doesn't necessarily work with other services (I SERIOUSLY advise people
> to change timing belts at or by the recommended maintenance interval, for
> example). But for oil, it has never failed me. And for a person who puts
> 200,000 miles and more on his cars, I have needed my oil to do what it does
> best in my car engines.

More importantly people should take the time to inspect the timing belt
at least every 20k miles. Its not that hard to get the cover off, even
on the 2.7...

> So, whichever vehicle one buys (my wife SO dearly loves the Santa Fe), just
> watch your oil, and keep it changed as (really) needed, and document all
> your oil changes.

Documenting maintenance leads to better resale values, too.

> Cars may be getting complicated, but not when it comes to changing oil
> (though it sounds like all the extra steps required in the Tucson is trying
> to change that. That alone would be enough for a person who changes all his
> own oil - like me - to look elsewhere). Change it yourself, get better oil
> and better filters for less money, and you will really get into watching
> your own oil and intervals.

Yep. You don't even have to dig deep in your wallet to get decent oil
these days. Walmart sells their supertech full-synthetic in 5 quart
bottles for about the same price as Castrol GTX dino. Its not quite
Mobil-1, but unless you race or abusively tow the increased upper-end
thermal capacity of Mobil1 isn't really required.

Its hard to turn down $2.25/qt vs $5.25/qt...

JS

Re: Frequent -3K- mandatory service tro[s tp tej Hyundai dealershipnecessary for warranty maintenance ?
 

Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
> In every car I have ever owned, I have always ended up ignoring the
> recommended maintenance frequency when it comes to oil changes.
>
> I don't do this flippantly. I have an '02 Elantra, and after having owned
> it for six months, and about two oil changes, the oil itself now tells me to
> change it every 6000 miles (I always use synthetic). I also have an
> Oldsmobile that has become my first (ever) vehicle to seem perfectly fine
> with the 7500 mile interval.
>
> But then I have an '04 Kia Sedona, and I don't dare go a mile more than 4000
> with it, no matter what oil I use. In years past, I had a Pontiac car built
> by Daewoo of Korea that pretty much maxed out its oil at 2500 miles, even
> using synthetic.
>
> Mazda, or whomever, may make all the recommendations they want. But similar
> recommendations by Toyota have resulted in a bad sludging problem in a lot
> of Camry engines - problems that could have been avoided if the owners would
> have paid closer attention to their oil, and changed it when it really
> needed it, rather than when a maintenace book told them to.

Yep. I think another major part of the problem is the oil filter
itself. The Santa Fe's factory filter has at least 2x more surface area
than any "book" aftermarket filter I've found for the Santa Fe so far.

1995 Corvette Non-ZR1 oil filter - Wix Part 51324
http://www.wixfilters.com/filterlook...asp?Part=51324

2001 Hyundai Santa Fe 2.7 oil filter - Wix part 51334
http://www.wixfilters.com/filterlook...asp?Part=51334

The 51324 fits great on our 01 and 03 Santa Fe 2.7's. The O-ring size
is slightly larger than the book OEM replacement but the plate still has
3mm to spare all around. I saw one slightly larger filter available
that would fit and meet the required specs but it wasn't a regularly
stocked item at my local parts houses (its some Isuzu diesel filter...)

> This doesn't necessarily work with other services (I SERIOUSLY advise people
> to change timing belts at or by the recommended maintenance interval, for
> example). But for oil, it has never failed me. And for a person who puts
> 200,000 miles and more on his cars, I have needed my oil to do what it does
> best in my car engines.

More importantly people should take the time to inspect the timing belt
at least every 20k miles. Its not that hard to get the cover off, even
on the 2.7...

> So, whichever vehicle one buys (my wife SO dearly loves the Santa Fe), just
> watch your oil, and keep it changed as (really) needed, and document all
> your oil changes.

Documenting maintenance leads to better resale values, too.

> Cars may be getting complicated, but not when it comes to changing oil
> (though it sounds like all the extra steps required in the Tucson is trying
> to change that. That alone would be enough for a person who changes all his
> own oil - like me - to look elsewhere). Change it yourself, get better oil
> and better filters for less money, and you will really get into watching
> your own oil and intervals.

Yep. You don't even have to dig deep in your wallet to get decent oil
these days. Walmart sells their supertech full-synthetic in 5 quart
bottles for about the same price as Castrol GTX dino. Its not quite
Mobil-1, but unless you race or abusively tow the increased upper-end
thermal capacity of Mobil1 isn't really required.

Its hard to turn down $2.25/qt vs $5.25/qt...

JS

Re: Frequent -3K- mandatory service tro[s tp tej Hyundai dealership necessary for warranty maintenance ?
 

"JS" <jsuter@intrastardot.net> wrote in message
news:HUGyg.31255$my2.3592@fe48.usenetserver.com...


>
> More importantly people should take the time to inspect the timing belt
> at least every 20k miles. Its not that hard to get the cover off, even
> on the 2.7...

Even for those of us who do our own work and who are not intimidated by the
idea of opening up the front of a motor, this is an extreme suggestion. It
might feel good to wrench off a timing cover and look at a belt, but this
degree of inspection offers absolutely no value.

>
> > So, whichever vehicle one buys (my wife SO dearly loves the Santa Fe),
just
> > watch your oil, and keep it changed as (really) needed, and document all
> > your oil changes.
>
> Documenting maintenance leads to better resale values, too.

Actually, it does not add much to the resale value of a car. If you are
trading a vehicle in, the trade in values are pretty much dictated by book
values. A poorly maintained vehicle is pretty quickly identified by visual
indicators. A lack of documentation of such things as oil changes does not
affect the value. Yeah - if you take all of your records in the sales rep
may give you lip service by telling you how much that up'ed the value of
your car but it didn't. These days it's too easy for everyone on the street
to know the value of a car for those records to be of much value even in a
private sale.


>
> Yep. You don't even have to dig deep in your wallet to get decent oil
> these days. Walmart sells their supertech full-synthetic in 5 quart
> bottles for about the same price as Castrol GTX dino. Its not quite
> Mobil-1, but unless you race or abusively tow the increased upper-end
> thermal capacity of Mobil1 isn't really required.
>
> Its hard to turn down $2.25/qt vs $5.25/qt...
>

Agreed. Whether dino oil or synthetic, today's oils are really very good.
All will go longer and still protect the engine, than the oild change
frequencies we used to know, and probably still live by today. I use dino
oil and still change at 4,000. Every oil today will go longer than that,
especially under our normal driving conditions, but old habits die hard and
it's just too easy a job to perform for me to lose any sleep over having
changed it too early.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Re: Frequent -3K- mandatory service tro[s tp tej Hyundai dealership necessary for warranty maintenance ?
 

"JS" <jsuter@intrastardot.net> wrote in message
news:HUGyg.31255$my2.3592@fe48.usenetserver.com...


>
> More importantly people should take the time to inspect the timing belt
> at least every 20k miles. Its not that hard to get the cover off, even
> on the 2.7...

Even for those of us who do our own work and who are not intimidated by the
idea of opening up the front of a motor, this is an extreme suggestion. It
might feel good to wrench off a timing cover and look at a belt, but this
degree of inspection offers absolutely no value.

>
> > So, whichever vehicle one buys (my wife SO dearly loves the Santa Fe),
just
> > watch your oil, and keep it changed as (really) needed, and document all
> > your oil changes.
>
> Documenting maintenance leads to better resale values, too.

Actually, it does not add much to the resale value of a car. If you are
trading a vehicle in, the trade in values are pretty much dictated by book
values. A poorly maintained vehicle is pretty quickly identified by visual
indicators. A lack of documentation of such things as oil changes does not
affect the value. Yeah - if you take all of your records in the sales rep
may give you lip service by telling you how much that up'ed the value of
your car but it didn't. These days it's too easy for everyone on the street
to know the value of a car for those records to be of much value even in a
private sale.


>
> Yep. You don't even have to dig deep in your wallet to get decent oil
> these days. Walmart sells their supertech full-synthetic in 5 quart
> bottles for about the same price as Castrol GTX dino. Its not quite
> Mobil-1, but unless you race or abusively tow the increased upper-end
> thermal capacity of Mobil1 isn't really required.
>
> Its hard to turn down $2.25/qt vs $5.25/qt...
>

Agreed. Whether dino oil or synthetic, today's oils are really very good.
All will go longer and still protect the engine, than the oild change
frequencies we used to know, and probably still live by today. I use dino
oil and still change at 4,000. Every oil today will go longer than that,
especially under our normal driving conditions, but old habits die hard and
it's just too easy a job to perform for me to lose any sleep over having
changed it too early.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Re: Frequent -3K- mandatory service tro[s tp tej Hyundai dealership necessary for warranty maintenance ?
 

"JS" <jsuter@intrastardot.net> wrote in message
news:HUGyg.31255$my2.3592@fe48.usenetserver.com...


>
> More importantly people should take the time to inspect the timing belt
> at least every 20k miles. Its not that hard to get the cover off, even
> on the 2.7...

Even for those of us who do our own work and who are not intimidated by the
idea of opening up the front of a motor, this is an extreme suggestion. It
might feel good to wrench off a timing cover and look at a belt, but this
degree of inspection offers absolutely no value.

>
> > So, whichever vehicle one buys (my wife SO dearly loves the Santa Fe),
just
> > watch your oil, and keep it changed as (really) needed, and document all
> > your oil changes.
>
> Documenting maintenance leads to better resale values, too.

Actually, it does not add much to the resale value of a car. If you are
trading a vehicle in, the trade in values are pretty much dictated by book
values. A poorly maintained vehicle is pretty quickly identified by visual
indicators. A lack of documentation of such things as oil changes does not
affect the value. Yeah - if you take all of your records in the sales rep
may give you lip service by telling you how much that up'ed the value of
your car but it didn't. These days it's too easy for everyone on the street
to know the value of a car for those records to be of much value even in a
private sale.


>
> Yep. You don't even have to dig deep in your wallet to get decent oil
> these days. Walmart sells their supertech full-synthetic in 5 quart
> bottles for about the same price as Castrol GTX dino. Its not quite
> Mobil-1, but unless you race or abusively tow the increased upper-end
> thermal capacity of Mobil1 isn't really required.
>
> Its hard to turn down $2.25/qt vs $5.25/qt...
>

Agreed. Whether dino oil or synthetic, today's oils are really very good.
All will go longer and still protect the engine, than the oild change
frequencies we used to know, and probably still live by today. I use dino
oil and still change at 4,000. Every oil today will go longer than that,
especially under our normal driving conditions, but old habits die hard and
it's just too easy a job to perform for me to lose any sleep over having
changed it too early.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Re: Frequent -3K- mandatory service tro[s tp tej Hyundai dealership necessary for warranty maintenance ?
 

Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in news:XSGyg.54$eG.44
@trndny08:


>> Republicans are politicians? I thought you had to be human to be a
>> politician... ;)
>
> Fortunately for Democrats, to be a politician, you don't have to be
> capable of rational thought or be able to form a coherent sentence.

So Bush is a Democrat now?

Re: Frequent -3K- mandatory service tro[s tp tej Hyundai dealership necessary for warranty maintenance ?
 

Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in news:XSGyg.54$eG.44
@trndny08:


>> Republicans are politicians? I thought you had to be human to be a
>> politician... ;)
>
> Fortunately for Democrats, to be a politician, you don't have to be
> capable of rational thought or be able to form a coherent sentence.

So Bush is a Democrat now?

Re: Frequent -3K- mandatory service tro[s tp tej Hyundai dealership necessary for warranty maintenance ?
 

Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in news:XSGyg.54$eG.44
@trndny08:


>> Republicans are politicians? I thought you had to be human to be a
>> politician... ;)
>
> Fortunately for Democrats, to be a politician, you don't have to be
> capable of rational thought or be able to form a coherent sentence.

So Bush is a Democrat now?

Re: Frequent -3K- mandatory service tro[s tp tej Hyundai dealership necessary for warranty maintenance ?
 

On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:04:36 -0400, "Partner" <Murphy23@comcast.net>
wrote:

>Well, are you going to share with us exactly what or how the oil tells you
>that it wants to be changed(or not!)?

'Took a while to get back to the computer
Actually, I had changed my standard quality dino oil every 1,500
miles. And now with Chevron's better DELO oil, I have been changing it
every 2K to 2.5 K or so. It is a relatively easy and inexpensive way
to treat well one's car.

I have seen service stations use that bulk oil, which I don't trust
(and overfill it) and low grade oil filters.
That is part of why I had been so displeased with the idea of being
chained to the dealership at those insane oil change prices, if that
were to be the case. This is what some other forum posters said or
intimated.

But now I understand that the dealership cannot force an owner to do
the oil changes there at the dealership. I still don't know how one
journals or documents as proof, that one did do the correct and timely
servicing, but I imagine that I can and will find out.

I am looking at the element of paying extra for an extended wrap
around bumper to bumper warranty - which might be a good idea with a
car coming from a dealership lot. Or might be not necessary beyond the
time period of the exiting bumper to bumper warranty and how long one
keeps a car, in actuality.

Re: Frequent -3K- mandatory service tro[s tp tej Hyundai dealership necessary for warranty maintenance ?
 

On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:04:36 -0400, "Partner" <Murphy23@comcast.net>
wrote:

>Well, are you going to share with us exactly what or how the oil tells you
>that it wants to be changed(or not!)?

'Took a while to get back to the computer
Actually, I had changed my standard quality dino oil every 1,500
miles. And now with Chevron's better DELO oil, I have been changing it
every 2K to 2.5 K or so. It is a relatively easy and inexpensive way
to treat well one's car.

I have seen service stations use that bulk oil, which I don't trust
(and overfill it) and low grade oil filters.
That is part of why I had been so displeased with the idea of being
chained to the dealership at those insane oil change prices, if that
were to be the case. This is what some other forum posters said or
intimated.

But now I understand that the dealership cannot force an owner to do
the oil changes there at the dealership. I still don't know how one
journals or documents as proof, that one did do the correct and timely
servicing, but I imagine that I can and will find out.

I am looking at the element of paying extra for an extended wrap
around bumper to bumper warranty - which might be a good idea with a
car coming from a dealership lot. Or might be not necessary beyond the
time period of the exiting bumper to bumper warranty and how long one
keeps a car, in actuality.