Re: Frequent -3K- mandatory service tro[s tp tej Hyundai dealership necessary for warranty maintenance ?
 

On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:04:36 -0400, "Partner" <Murphy23@comcast.net>
wrote:

>Well, are you going to share with us exactly what or how the oil tells you
>that it wants to be changed(or not!)?

'Took a while to get back to the computer
Actually, I had changed my standard quality dino oil every 1,500
miles. And now with Chevron's better DELO oil, I have been changing it
every 2K to 2.5 K or so. It is a relatively easy and inexpensive way
to treat well one's car.

I have seen service stations use that bulk oil, which I don't trust
(and overfill it) and low grade oil filters.
That is part of why I had been so displeased with the idea of being
chained to the dealership at those insane oil change prices, if that
were to be the case. This is what some other forum posters said or
intimated.

But now I understand that the dealership cannot force an owner to do
the oil changes there at the dealership. I still don't know how one
journals or documents as proof, that one did do the correct and timely
servicing, but I imagine that I can and will find out.

I am looking at the element of paying extra for an extended wrap
around bumper to bumper warranty - which might be a good idea with a
car coming from a dealership lot. Or might be not necessary beyond the
time period of the exiting bumper to bumper warranty and how long one
keeps a car, in actuality.

Re: Frequent -3K- mandatory service tro[s tp tej Hyundai dealers
 

For documentation, keep all your receipts (from work done or parts
purchases) and keep a log (with date and mileage) of any work you did
yourself.

Re: Frequent -3K- mandatory service tro[s tp tej Hyundai dealers
 

For documentation, keep all your receipts (from work done or parts
purchases) and keep a log (with date and mileage) of any work you did
yourself.

Re: Frequent -3K- mandatory service tro[s tp tej Hyundai dealers
 

For documentation, keep all your receipts (from work done or parts
purchases) and keep a log (with date and mileage) of any work you did
yourself.

Re: Frequent -3K- mandatory service tro[s tp tej Hyundai dealership necessary for warranty maintenance ?
 

On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 05:38:31 -0500, JS <jsuter@intrastardot.net>
wrote:

>Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
With sincere curiosity, assuming it is a belt rather than a chain, on
the Hyundai SUVs, what would one specifically look for in terms of
problems looming with the timing belt / chain. I had the previous
assumption that one changes it well ahead of the manufacturer's
recommended interval as it will just pop when its life is up.,,,

are there wear signs or the like ?

>More importantly people should take the time to inspect the timing belt
>at least every 20k miles. Its not that hard to get the cover off, even
>on the 2.7...
>
>> So, whichever vehicle one buys (my wife SO dearly loves the Santa Fe), just
>> watch your oil, and keep it changed as (really) needed, and document all
>> your oil changes.
>
>Documenting maintenance leads to better resale values, too.
>
>> Cars may be getting complicated, but not when it comes to changing oil
>> (though it sounds like all the extra steps required in the Tucson is trying
>> to change that. That alone would be enough for a person who changes all his
>> own oil - like me - to look elsewhere). Change it yourself, get better oil
>> and better filters for less money, and you will really get into watching
>> your own oil and intervals.
>
>Yep. You don't even have to dig deep in your wallet to get decent oil
>these days. Walmart sells their supertech full-synthetic in 5 quart
>bottles for about the same price as Castrol GTX dino. Its not quite
>Mobil-1, but unless you race or abusively tow the increased upper-end
>thermal capacity of Mobil1 isn't really required.
>
>Its hard to turn down $2.25/qt vs $5.25/qt...
>
>JS
>

Re: Frequent -3K- mandatory service tro[s tp tej Hyundai dealership necessary for warranty maintenance ?
 

On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 05:38:31 -0500, JS <jsuter@intrastardot.net>
wrote:

>Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
With sincere curiosity, assuming it is a belt rather than a chain, on
the Hyundai SUVs, what would one specifically look for in terms of
problems looming with the timing belt / chain. I had the previous
assumption that one changes it well ahead of the manufacturer's
recommended interval as it will just pop when its life is up.,,,

are there wear signs or the like ?

>More importantly people should take the time to inspect the timing belt
>at least every 20k miles. Its not that hard to get the cover off, even
>on the 2.7...
>
>> So, whichever vehicle one buys (my wife SO dearly loves the Santa Fe), just
>> watch your oil, and keep it changed as (really) needed, and document all
>> your oil changes.
>
>Documenting maintenance leads to better resale values, too.
>
>> Cars may be getting complicated, but not when it comes to changing oil
>> (though it sounds like all the extra steps required in the Tucson is trying
>> to change that. That alone would be enough for a person who changes all his
>> own oil - like me - to look elsewhere). Change it yourself, get better oil
>> and better filters for less money, and you will really get into watching
>> your own oil and intervals.
>
>Yep. You don't even have to dig deep in your wallet to get decent oil
>these days. Walmart sells their supertech full-synthetic in 5 quart
>bottles for about the same price as Castrol GTX dino. Its not quite
>Mobil-1, but unless you race or abusively tow the increased upper-end
>thermal capacity of Mobil1 isn't really required.
>
>Its hard to turn down $2.25/qt vs $5.25/qt...
>
>JS
>

Re: Frequent -3K- mandatory service tro[s tp tej Hyundai dealership necessary for warranty maintenance ?
 

On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 05:38:31 -0500, JS <jsuter@intrastardot.net>
wrote:

>Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
With sincere curiosity, assuming it is a belt rather than a chain, on
the Hyundai SUVs, what would one specifically look for in terms of
problems looming with the timing belt / chain. I had the previous
assumption that one changes it well ahead of the manufacturer's
recommended interval as it will just pop when its life is up.,,,

are there wear signs or the like ?

>More importantly people should take the time to inspect the timing belt
>at least every 20k miles. Its not that hard to get the cover off, even
>on the 2.7...
>
>> So, whichever vehicle one buys (my wife SO dearly loves the Santa Fe), just
>> watch your oil, and keep it changed as (really) needed, and document all
>> your oil changes.
>
>Documenting maintenance leads to better resale values, too.
>
>> Cars may be getting complicated, but not when it comes to changing oil
>> (though it sounds like all the extra steps required in the Tucson is trying
>> to change that. That alone would be enough for a person who changes all his
>> own oil - like me - to look elsewhere). Change it yourself, get better oil
>> and better filters for less money, and you will really get into watching
>> your own oil and intervals.
>
>Yep. You don't even have to dig deep in your wallet to get decent oil
>these days. Walmart sells their supertech full-synthetic in 5 quart
>bottles for about the same price as Castrol GTX dino. Its not quite
>Mobil-1, but unless you race or abusively tow the increased upper-end
>thermal capacity of Mobil1 isn't really required.
>
>Its hard to turn down $2.25/qt vs $5.25/qt...
>
>JS
>

Re: Frequent -3K- mandatory service tro[s tp tej Hyundai dealership necessary for warranty maintenance ?
 

"Richard" <S3434Pnospam@yahoo.com remove the nospam> wrote in message
news:oosoc2h3fqt0asm91q279pfto3tp8k70lp@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 05:38:31 -0500, JS <jsuter@intrastardot.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
> With sincere curiosity, assuming it is a belt rather than a chain, on
> the Hyundai SUVs, what would one specifically look for in terms of
> problems looming with the timing belt / chain. I had the previous
> assumption that one changes it well ahead of the manufacturer's
> recommended interval as it will just pop when its life is up.,,,
>
> are there wear signs or the like ?

First off, the timing belt issues in the 6 cylinder go away in 2006 model
year vehicles. I'm not sure about the 4 cylinders. In '06 Hyundai went to
a different 6 cylinder and it uses a chain.

For pre-06 models, there really is nothing to look at or for. The chance of
any problems inside the timing cover which would provide a visual clue of a
pending belt failure are neglible. Unless a timing belt is exposed to
severe conditions (which would include extremely high mileage), it typically
does not show indicators that you'd be looking for. If you are looking for
cracking or signs of edge wear or slack or the likes, you are just not
likely to see those things, even on a belt that is in jeopardy of failure.

History has borne out however, across a myriad of vehicle manufacturers,
that timing belts have a predictable life and that 60,000 (Hyundai's
suggested interval is fairly consistent with other manufacturers) is a
prudent maintenance point. This would provide for using the term
"preventative" in association with the word maintenance. Changing it early
is just a waste of money. Anomolies not withstanding. The 60,000 mile
interval already has a well studied protection factor built into it.

What will failures appear like? Most commonly, the belt just breaks. It is
very common to have no audible or visual ques prior to the event.

The best and easiest approach to your concerns - follow the manufacturer's
recommended schedule. There are literally tens of thousands of these
vehicles out there that continue to run just great with nothing more than
that practice of following Hyundai's recommendations.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Re: Frequent -3K- mandatory service tro[s tp tej Hyundai dealership necessary for warranty maintenance ?
 

"Richard" <S3434Pnospam@yahoo.com remove the nospam> wrote in message
news:oosoc2h3fqt0asm91q279pfto3tp8k70lp@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 05:38:31 -0500, JS <jsuter@intrastardot.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
> With sincere curiosity, assuming it is a belt rather than a chain, on
> the Hyundai SUVs, what would one specifically look for in terms of
> problems looming with the timing belt / chain. I had the previous
> assumption that one changes it well ahead of the manufacturer's
> recommended interval as it will just pop when its life is up.,,,
>
> are there wear signs or the like ?

First off, the timing belt issues in the 6 cylinder go away in 2006 model
year vehicles. I'm not sure about the 4 cylinders. In '06 Hyundai went to
a different 6 cylinder and it uses a chain.

For pre-06 models, there really is nothing to look at or for. The chance of
any problems inside the timing cover which would provide a visual clue of a
pending belt failure are neglible. Unless a timing belt is exposed to
severe conditions (which would include extremely high mileage), it typically
does not show indicators that you'd be looking for. If you are looking for
cracking or signs of edge wear or slack or the likes, you are just not
likely to see those things, even on a belt that is in jeopardy of failure.

History has borne out however, across a myriad of vehicle manufacturers,
that timing belts have a predictable life and that 60,000 (Hyundai's
suggested interval is fairly consistent with other manufacturers) is a
prudent maintenance point. This would provide for using the term
"preventative" in association with the word maintenance. Changing it early
is just a waste of money. Anomolies not withstanding. The 60,000 mile
interval already has a well studied protection factor built into it.

What will failures appear like? Most commonly, the belt just breaks. It is
very common to have no audible or visual ques prior to the event.

The best and easiest approach to your concerns - follow the manufacturer's
recommended schedule. There are literally tens of thousands of these
vehicles out there that continue to run just great with nothing more than
that practice of following Hyundai's recommendations.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Re: Frequent -3K- mandatory service tro[s tp tej Hyundai dealership necessary for warranty maintenance ?
 

"Richard" <S3434Pnospam@yahoo.com remove the nospam> wrote in message
news:oosoc2h3fqt0asm91q279pfto3tp8k70lp@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 05:38:31 -0500, JS <jsuter@intrastardot.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
> With sincere curiosity, assuming it is a belt rather than a chain, on
> the Hyundai SUVs, what would one specifically look for in terms of
> problems looming with the timing belt / chain. I had the previous
> assumption that one changes it well ahead of the manufacturer's
> recommended interval as it will just pop when its life is up.,,,
>
> are there wear signs or the like ?

First off, the timing belt issues in the 6 cylinder go away in 2006 model
year vehicles. I'm not sure about the 4 cylinders. In '06 Hyundai went to
a different 6 cylinder and it uses a chain.

For pre-06 models, there really is nothing to look at or for. The chance of
any problems inside the timing cover which would provide a visual clue of a
pending belt failure are neglible. Unless a timing belt is exposed to
severe conditions (which would include extremely high mileage), it typically
does not show indicators that you'd be looking for. If you are looking for
cracking or signs of edge wear or slack or the likes, you are just not
likely to see those things, even on a belt that is in jeopardy of failure.

History has borne out however, across a myriad of vehicle manufacturers,
that timing belts have a predictable life and that 60,000 (Hyundai's
suggested interval is fairly consistent with other manufacturers) is a
prudent maintenance point. This would provide for using the term
"preventative" in association with the word maintenance. Changing it early
is just a waste of money. Anomolies not withstanding. The 60,000 mile
interval already has a well studied protection factor built into it.

What will failures appear like? Most commonly, the belt just breaks. It is
very common to have no audible or visual ques prior to the event.

The best and easiest approach to your concerns - follow the manufacturer's
recommended schedule. There are literally tens of thousands of these
vehicles out there that continue to run just great with nothing more than
that practice of following Hyundai's recommendations.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Re: Frequent -3K- mandatory service tro[s tp tej Hyundai dealershipnecessary for warranty maintenance ?
 

Mike Marlow wrote:
> "Richard" <S3434Pnospam@yahoo.com remove the nospam> wrote in message
> news:oosoc2h3fqt0asm91q279pfto3tp8k70lp@4ax.com...
>
>>On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 05:38:31 -0500, JS <jsuter@intrastardot.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
>>
>>With sincere curiosity, assuming it is a belt rather than a chain, on
>>the Hyundai SUVs, what would one specifically look for in terms of
>>problems looming with the timing belt / chain. I had the previous
>>assumption that one changes it well ahead of the manufacturer's
>>recommended interval as it will just pop when its life is up.,,,
>>
>>are there wear signs or the like ?
>
>
> First off, the timing belt issues in the 6 cylinder go away in 2006 model
> year vehicles. I'm not sure about the 4 cylinders. In '06 Hyundai went to
> a different 6 cylinder and it uses a chain.

My 2.4 claims it has a chain also.

Matt

Re: Frequent -3K- mandatory service tro[s tp tej Hyundai dealershipnecessary for warranty maintenance ?
 

Mike Marlow wrote:
> "Richard" <S3434Pnospam@yahoo.com remove the nospam> wrote in message
> news:oosoc2h3fqt0asm91q279pfto3tp8k70lp@4ax.com...
>
>>On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 05:38:31 -0500, JS <jsuter@intrastardot.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
>>
>>With sincere curiosity, assuming it is a belt rather than a chain, on
>>the Hyundai SUVs, what would one specifically look for in terms of
>>problems looming with the timing belt / chain. I had the previous
>>assumption that one changes it well ahead of the manufacturer's
>>recommended interval as it will just pop when its life is up.,,,
>>
>>are there wear signs or the like ?
>
>
> First off, the timing belt issues in the 6 cylinder go away in 2006 model
> year vehicles. I'm not sure about the 4 cylinders. In '06 Hyundai went to
> a different 6 cylinder and it uses a chain.

My 2.4 claims it has a chain also.

Matt

Re: Frequent -3K- mandatory service tro[s tp tej Hyundai dealershipnecessary for warranty maintenance ?
 

Mike Marlow wrote:
> "Richard" <S3434Pnospam@yahoo.com remove the nospam> wrote in message
> news:oosoc2h3fqt0asm91q279pfto3tp8k70lp@4ax.com...
>
>>On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 05:38:31 -0500, JS <jsuter@intrastardot.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
>>
>>With sincere curiosity, assuming it is a belt rather than a chain, on
>>the Hyundai SUVs, what would one specifically look for in terms of
>>problems looming with the timing belt / chain. I had the previous
>>assumption that one changes it well ahead of the manufacturer's
>>recommended interval as it will just pop when its life is up.,,,
>>
>>are there wear signs or the like ?
>
>
> First off, the timing belt issues in the 6 cylinder go away in 2006 model
> year vehicles. I'm not sure about the 4 cylinders. In '06 Hyundai went to
> a different 6 cylinder and it uses a chain.

My 2.4 claims it has a chain also.

Matt

Re: Frequent -3K- mandatory service tro[s tp tej Hyundai dealershipnecessary for warranty maintenance ?
 

Fred Atlas wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:04:36 -0400, "Partner" <Murphy23@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Well, are you going to share with us exactly what or how the oil tells you
>>that it wants to be changed(or not!)?
>
>
> 'Took a while to get back to the computer
> Actually, I had changed my standard quality dino oil every 1,500
> miles. And now with Chevron's better DELO oil, I have been changing it
> every 2K to 2.5 K or so. It is a relatively easy and inexpensive way
> to treat well one's car.

Actually, it's a complete waste of a dwindling resource. Changing your
oil more frequently than necessary is environmentally irresponsible and
provides NO benefits to your engine.

> But now I understand that the dealership cannot force an owner to do
> the oil changes there at the dealership. I still don't know how one
> journals or documents as proof, that one did do the correct and timely
> servicing, but I imagine that I can and will find out.

As I said before, your car came with a Maintenance Log - or at least it
should have. Check the documentation package that came with the car.

> I am looking at the element of paying extra for an extended wrap
> around bumper to bumper warranty - which might be a good idea with a
> car coming from a dealership lot. Or might be not necessary beyond the
> time period of the exiting bumper to bumper warranty and how long one
> keeps a car, in actuality.

Waste of money, IMO. Additionally, aftermarket warranty companies have a
disturbing habit of going out of business. If the extended warranty
isn't from the factory, you can't count on it being there when you need it.

Re: Frequent -3K- mandatory service tro[s tp tej Hyundai dealershipnecessary for warranty maintenance ?
 

Fred Atlas wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:04:36 -0400, "Partner" <Murphy23@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Well, are you going to share with us exactly what or how the oil tells you
>>that it wants to be changed(or not!)?
>
>
> 'Took a while to get back to the computer
> Actually, I had changed my standard quality dino oil every 1,500
> miles. And now with Chevron's better DELO oil, I have been changing it
> every 2K to 2.5 K or so. It is a relatively easy and inexpensive way
> to treat well one's car.

Actually, it's a complete waste of a dwindling resource. Changing your
oil more frequently than necessary is environmentally irresponsible and
provides NO benefits to your engine.

> But now I understand that the dealership cannot force an owner to do
> the oil changes there at the dealership. I still don't know how one
> journals or documents as proof, that one did do the correct and timely
> servicing, but I imagine that I can and will find out.

As I said before, your car came with a Maintenance Log - or at least it
should have. Check the documentation package that came with the car.

> I am looking at the element of paying extra for an extended wrap
> around bumper to bumper warranty - which might be a good idea with a
> car coming from a dealership lot. Or might be not necessary beyond the
> time period of the exiting bumper to bumper warranty and how long one
> keeps a car, in actuality.

Waste of money, IMO. Additionally, aftermarket warranty companies have a
disturbing habit of going out of business. If the extended warranty
isn't from the factory, you can't count on it being there when you need it.