Ed Pawlowski

Had a small problem with my 07 Sonata so I took it to the dealer to get
checked out. It was the throttle position sensor (TPS), something that has
happened with some frequency according to the service manager. If was
acting up at 66,000 miles, out of warranty. Codes were 2135, 1295

The dealer has been trying to get a hold of me for some time so I figured I
at least give the salesman a shot at making me happy. He did.
Given the miles, I was facing 4 new tires, brakes, filters, coolant
replacement, and probably some other normal maintenance. Rather than invest
$1500+ over the next few months, that bought me a 2010 Sonata Limited with
everything new and a new warranty.

The new model has evolved a bit in three years.
The heated seats now have a high and low setting,
a third headrest (that will never be used) in the back seat
better looking instrument cluster
dual climate controls
XM radio
two settings on the trip odometer
better settings on the auto door locks
station seek button on the steering wheel radio controls

This car also had the optional Bluetooth too and that will be handy now that
many states (including mine) require hands free now. The 07 came with
Michelin tires, this has Hankook. No experience with that brand but seem
smooth enough. Crappy weather tomorrow so I may find out more.

This is my first experience with XM radio too. My wife put on holiday
music and is hooked on it over commercial radio.

The last one did well by me so I hope this one does too. It has been the
best car I've ever owned as far as repairs go.

Voyager

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> Had a small problem with my 07 Sonata so I took it to the dealer to get
> checked out. It was the throttle position sensor (TPS), something that has
> happened with some frequency according to the service manager. If was
> acting up at 66,000 miles, out of warranty. Codes were 2135, 1295
>
> The dealer has been trying to get a hold of me for some time so I figured I
> at least give the salesman a shot at making me happy. He did.
> Given the miles, I was facing 4 new tires, brakes, filters, coolant
> replacement, and probably some other normal maintenance. Rather than invest
> $1500+ over the next few months, that bought me a 2010 Sonata Limited with
> everything new and a new warranty.

Are you serious? You traded a 2007 with 66K for a new 2010 for only
$1500 difference? I need to visit my Hyundai dealer!!

Matt

Ed Pawlowski

"Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
>
> Are you serious? You traded a 2007 with 66K for a new 2010 for only $1500
> difference? I need to visit my Hyundai dealer!!
>
> Matt

Closer to $2000 as my payments are a few bucks more. Other factors helped.
I went from 1.9% to 0% financing, plus the $500 loyalty rebate.
Negotiations took about two hours though. They started considerably higher,
but they called me, I didn't call them. Want to move some iron? Deal or I
walk. The sticker on this car was also about $2k more than the old one.

in2dadark

On Dec 13, 9:25 am, "Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote:
> "Voyager" <m.whit...@computer.org> wrote in message
>
> > Are you serious? You traded a 2007 with 66K for a new 2010 for only $1500
> > difference? I need to visit my Hyundai dealer!!
>
> > Matt
>
> Closer to $2000 as my payments are a few bucks more. Other factors helped..
> I went from 1.9% to 0% financing, plus the $500 loyalty rebate.
> Negotiations took about two hours though. They started considerably higher,
> but they called me, I didn't call them. Want to move some iron? Deal or I
> walk. The sticker on this car was also about $2k more than the old one..

So basically you got a new sonata for 2k plus your 3 year old sonata?
Yea right..Did santa tell you to say that..

Ed Pawlowski

"in2dadark" <in2dadark@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:38f081ce-0d7e-4c06-8d02-f8d0101eafad@s20g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 13, 9:25 am, "Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote:
> "Voyager" <m.whit...@computer.org> wrote in message
>
> > Are you serious? You traded a 2007 with 66K for a new 2010 for only
> > $1500
> > difference? I need to visit my Hyundai dealer!!
>
> > Matt
>
> Closer to $2000 as my payments are a few bucks more. Other factors helped.
> I went from 1.9% to 0% financing, plus the $500 loyalty rebate.
> Negotiations took about two hours though. They started considerably
> higher,
> but they called me, I didn't call them. Want to move some iron? Deal or I
> walk. The sticker on this car was also about $2k more than the old one.

So basically you got a new sonata for 2k plus your 3 year old sonata?
Yea right..Did santa tell you to say that..

************************************************** ****

Yes, that is correct. Herb Chambers seems motivated to move some iron right
now and so is Hyundai. I really don't give a crap if you believe me or not.
FWIW, the sticker on the new one is higher by about $2000 too since it has
bluetooth along with the usual inflation over the years. .

in2dadark

On Dec 14, 10:14 pm, "Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote:
> "in2dadark" <in2dad...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:38f081ce-0d7e-4c06-8d02-f8d0101eafad@s20g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 13, 9:25 am, "Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote:
>
> > "Voyager" <m.whit...@computer.org> wrote in message
>
> > > Are you serious? You traded a 2007 with 66K for a new 2010 for only
> > > $1500
> > > difference? I need to visit my Hyundai dealer!!
>
> > > Matt
>
> > Closer to $2000 as my payments are a few bucks more. Other factors helped.
> > I went from 1.9% to 0% financing, plus the $500 loyalty rebate.
> > Negotiations took about two hours though. They started considerably
> > higher,
> > but they called me, I didn't call them. Want to move some iron? Deal orI
> > walk. The sticker on this car was also about $2k more than the old one.
>
> So basically you got a new sonata for 2k plus your 3 year old sonata?
> Yea right..Did santa tell you to say that..
>
> ************************************************** ****
>
> Yes, that is correct. Herb Chambers seems motivated to move some iron right
> now and so is Hyundai. I really don't give a crap if you believe me ornot.
> FWIW, the sticker on the new one is higher by about $2000 too since it has
> bluetooth along with the usual inflation over the years. .

If your payments went up and you went back to payment zero and you
had already made 33 payments on the 07, you are down more than 2k.. I
think everyone who owned a 3 yo sonata would trade up without
hesitating if what you said was true. Makes so sense from a business
standpoint. When you drove off the lot back in 07 you were down more
than 2k..

Ed Pawlowski

"in2dadark" <in2dadark@yahoo.com> wrote in message >
************************************************** ****
>
> Yes, that is correct. Herb Chambers seems motivated to move some iron
> right
> now and so is Hyundai. I really don't give a crap if you believe me or
> not.
> FWIW, the sticker on the new one is higher by about $2000 too since it has
> bluetooth along with the usual inflation over the years. .

If your payments went up and you went back to payment zero and you
had already made 33 payments on the 07, you are down more than 2k.. I
think everyone who owned a 3 yo sonata would trade up without
hesitating if what you said was true. Makes so sense from a business
standpoint. When you drove off the lot back in 07 you were down more
than 2k..

************************************************** ***
Payments went up $20 a month and yes, I'm starting from 0 again. That is
$1200. I gave them $500 cash.

Just as important, I also side stepped a lot of maintenance that was coming
up in the next few months if I kept the old car. 4 Tires, new brakes, new
air and cabin filters, coolant change.

Matthew Fedder

On Dec 14, 7:14 pm, "Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote:
> "in2dadark" <in2dad...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:38f081ce-0d7e-4c06-8d02-f8d0101eafad@s20g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 13, 9:25 am, "Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote:
>
> > "Voyager" <m.whit...@computer.org> wrote in message
>
> > > Are you serious? You traded a 2007 with 66K for a new 2010 for only
> > > $1500
> > > difference? I need to visit my Hyundai dealer!!
>
> > > Matt
>
> > Closer to $2000 as my payments are a few bucks more. Other factors helped.
> > I went from 1.9% to 0% financing, plus the $500 loyalty rebate.
> > Negotiations took about two hours though. They started considerably
> > higher,
> > but they called me, I didn't call them. Want to move some iron? Deal orI
> > walk. The sticker on this car was also about $2k more than the old one.
>
> So basically you got a new sonata for 2k plus your 3 year old sonata?
> Yea right..Did santa tell you to say that..
>
> ************************************************** ****
>
> Yes, that is correct. Herb Chambers seems motivated to move some iron right
> now and so is Hyundai. I really don't give a crap if you believe me ornot.
> FWIW, the sticker on the new one is higher by about $2000 too since it has
> bluetooth along with the usual inflation over the years. .

You're saying $2k in drive-off costs, right?

in2dadark

On Dec 15, 11:01 pm, Matthew Fedder <enigm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 14, 7:14 pm, "Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "in2dadark" <in2dad...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:38f081ce-0d7e-4c06-8d02-f8d0101eafad@s20g2000yqd.googlegroups.com....
> > On Dec 13, 9:25 am, "Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote:
>
> > > "Voyager" <m.whit...@computer.org> wrote in message
>
> > > > Are you serious? You traded a 2007 with 66K for a new 2010 for only
> > > > $1500
> > > > difference? I need to visit my Hyundai dealer!!
>
> > > > Matt
>
> > > Closer to $2000 as my payments are a few bucks more. Other factors helped.
> > > I went from 1.9% to 0% financing, plus the $500 loyalty rebate.
> > > Negotiations took about two hours though. They started considerably
> > > higher,
> > > but they called me, I didn't call them. Want to move some iron? Deal or I
> > > walk. The sticker on this car was also about $2k more than the old one.
>
> > So basically you got a new sonata for 2k plus your 3 year old sonata?
> > Yea right..Did santa tell you to say that..
>
> > ************************************************** ****
>
> > Yes, that is correct. Herb Chambers seems motivated to move some iron right
> > now and so is Hyundai. I really don't give a crap if you believe me or not.
> > FWIW, the sticker on the new one is higher by about $2000 too since it has
> > bluetooth along with the usual inflation over the years. .
>
> You're saying $2k in drive-off costs, right?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

What I think he's saying is they charged him 2k for the new car and
made up the rest with his trade. I understand the maintanance
avoidance part. But I've never heard of anyone trading in ANY kind of
3 yo car ( let alone a hyundai with all those miles) and only paying
2k more for a new one. As I said, when he drove off the lot 3 years
or more ago, he was down more than 2k...If he avoided 1500 in repairs,
the dealer has to pay out at least 500 in labor, parts and overhead
to do them anyway

Ed Pawlowski

"in2dadark" <in2dadark@yahoo.com> wrote in message
What I think he's saying is they charged him 2k for the new car and
made up the rest with his trade. I understand the maintanance
avoidance part. But I've never heard of anyone trading in ANY kind of
3 yo car ( let alone a hyundai with all those miles) and only paying
2k more for a new one. As I said, when he drove off the lot 3 years
or more ago, he was down more than 2k...If he avoided 1500 in repairs,
the dealer has to pay out at least 500 in labor, parts and overhead
to do them anyway


************************************************
What they gave me for trade is roughly the value of the car which is roughly
the balance of the original loan. You can call it a wash that I walked away
from.

I don't know (or care) if the dealer will do any repairs or not. Visibly,
the tires are above the wear indicators, but not for long. Same with the
brakes. They can go another few thousand, the drums are still smooth too.
Given the miles, it may go to auction anyway. The paint has one minor spot
on the bumper, about 1/8" wide by 1" long. Touched up properly, you'd never
see it. Mats show no wear but need cleaning.

As I said, the dealer is very motivated to move cars right now. There was
an online Yahoo article last week that from now to the end of the year are
the best deals.

Rubaiyat of Omar Bradley

Don't forget that you get an extra tax offset which only happens in
2009. See
http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/...205863,00.html

Ed Pawlowski

"Rubaiyat of Omar Bradley" <cowartmisc1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Don't forget that you get an extra tax offset which only happens in
> 2009. See
> http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/...205863,00.html

Thanks for the link. The dealer mentioned it, but I was not aware of it
before that. I also bought a new boiler and will get a tax credit for that
and the state already gave me a $500 rebate (and a 1099 form) Your tax
dollars at work.