Edwin Pawlowski

"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> I agree that is why I have a two-car heated (sort of heated anyway)
> garage.

Garage? Oh, the place I have my workshop. Both cars sit outside

Matt Whiting

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
>
>>I agree that is why I have a two-car heated (sort of heated anyway)
>>garage.
>
>
> Garage? Oh, the place I have my workshop. Both cars sit outside
>
>

I built a 12x24 outbuilding for shop and lawn equipment, but not being
heated is a pain in the winter.

Matt

Double Tap

Snip

Matt,
A heated garage is great if you live in an area that does not salt the
roads.
You are MUCH better off keeping the car cold if you do not have the ability
to
wash off the underside with all the salt accumulation before putting it in a
heated
area. The warm air will greatly enhance the speed of the salt to work
corrosive magic
on the vehicle.
Double Tap


> I agree that is why I have a two-car heated (sort of heated anyway)
> garage. The only problem is I now have three cars. Since the Sonata is
> the newest and cheapest car, it sits outside. I keep my Chevy truck with
> snowplow inside as when I need to plow my driveway I don't want to have to
> worry about my plow vehicle starting or having to clear all the snow off
> so I can see to plow. It is nice to open the garage door, lower the plow
> and away I go!
>
>
> Matt

Matt Whiting

Double Tap wrote:
> Snip
>
> Matt,
> A heated garage is great if you live in an area that does not salt the
> roads.
> You are MUCH better off keeping the car cold if you do not have the ability
> to
> wash off the underside with all the salt accumulation before putting it in a
> heated
> area. The warm air will greatly enhance the speed of the salt to work
> corrosive magic
> on the vehicle.
> Double Tap

I agree, but my garage is under my house as part of the basement so it
gets some heat from the house, hence my comment about "being sort of
heated."


Matt

Mike Marlow

"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
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>
> I agree that is why I have a two-car heated (sort of heated anyway)
> garage. The only problem is I now have three cars. Since the Sonata is
> the newest and cheapest car, it sits outside. I keep my Chevy truck
> with snowplow inside as when I need to plow my driveway I don't want to
> have to worry about my plow vehicle starting or having to clear all the
> snow off so I can see to plow. It is nice to open the garage door,
> lower the plow and away I go!
>

I leave my plow truck outside so that both cars can stay in the garage.
Ugh!!! Few things are more fun than cleaning a full size pickup off after a
couple feet of snowfall. I have a high-rise cap on mine and man can that
thing hold a pile up of snow.
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mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Mike Marlow

"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> > I agree that is why I have a two-car heated (sort of heated anyway)
> > garage.
>
> Garage? Oh, the place I have my workshop. Both cars sit outside
>
>

The wife isn't so happy when I get a paint job in this time of year. Both
cars have to stay outside while I'm painting.

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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Matt Whiting

Mike Marlow wrote:
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> news:xuxlh.1934$Oc.121592@news1.epix.net...
>
>
>>I agree that is why I have a two-car heated (sort of heated anyway)
>>garage. The only problem is I now have three cars. Since the Sonata is
>>the newest and cheapest car, it sits outside. I keep my Chevy truck
>>with snowplow inside as when I need to plow my driveway I don't want to
>>have to worry about my plow vehicle starting or having to clear all the
>>snow off so I can see to plow. It is nice to open the garage door,
>>lower the plow and away I go!
>>
>
>
> I leave my plow truck outside so that both cars can stay in the garage.
> Ugh!!! Few things are more fun than cleaning a full size pickup off after a
> couple feet of snowfall. I have a high-rise cap on mine and man can that
> thing hold a pile up of snow.

Yes, I have a high-rise (well moderate rise anyway) cap as well with an
extended cab truck. I'd much rather clean the Sonate 10 times than the
truck once so the truck stays in the garage. Also, the truck at 14
years of age is still worth as much as the Sonata! :-) And I don't
like the plow cylinders out in the weather as they rust pretty fast if
they aren't kept greased up. I'm not impressed with the chrome that
Western used on their angle cylinders. The owner's manual says to coat
them with grease for storage and I found out the first year why they
recommend that!


Matt

Mike Marlow

"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
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>
> Yes, I have a high-rise (well moderate rise anyway) cap as well with an
> extended cab truck. I'd much rather clean the Sonate 10 times than the
> truck once so the truck stays in the garage. Also, the truck at 14
> years of age is still worth as much as the Sonata! :-) And I don't
> like the plow cylinders out in the weather as they rust pretty fast if
> they aren't kept greased up. I'm not impressed with the chrome that
> Western used on their angle cylinders. The owner's manual says to coat
> them with grease for storage and I found out the first year why they
> recommend that!
>

I worried about that at one time with my Fisher, because I've had other
cylinders rust up when left out in the elements. My plow is a '94 and it
sits outside all year long. I have no rust on any of my cylinders at all.
I don't take any precautions with them to prevent rust either. I just drop
the plow on some concrete blocks for the summer and let it sit there all
summer long.

The issue I can deal with from time to time that you don't have to contend
with, is that depending on how cold it is at night, my plow can freeze to
the ground and sometimes the pump won't lift it free. I have to rock the
truck to break it free. I try to keep a scrap of 2x8 under it when I think
the temps will be in the ranges to cause this problem, but every now and
then...

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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Matt Whiting

Mike Marlow wrote:
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> news:ShFlh.1946$Oc.121816@news1.epix.net...
>
>
>>Yes, I have a high-rise (well moderate rise anyway) cap as well with an
>>extended cab truck. I'd much rather clean the Sonate 10 times than the
>>truck once so the truck stays in the garage. Also, the truck at 14
>>years of age is still worth as much as the Sonata! :-) And I don't
>>like the plow cylinders out in the weather as they rust pretty fast if
>>they aren't kept greased up. I'm not impressed with the chrome that
>>Western used on their angle cylinders. The owner's manual says to coat
>>them with grease for storage and I found out the first year why they
>>recommend that!
>>
>
>
> I worried about that at one time with my Fisher, because I've had other
> cylinders rust up when left out in the elements. My plow is a '94 and it
> sits outside all year long. I have no rust on any of my cylinders at all.
> I don't take any precautions with them to prevent rust either. I just drop
> the plow on some concrete blocks for the summer and let it sit there all
> summer long.

How do you like the Fisher overall? I like the Western other than the
rust prone cylinders. The controls are great (I have the hand-held
controller which is nice with the standard tranny) and the poly blade is
nice also. If they had only used better chrome on the cylinders...


> The issue I can deal with from time to time that you don't have to contend
> with, is that depending on how cold it is at night, my plow can freeze to
> the ground and sometimes the pump won't lift it free. I have to rock the
> truck to break it free. I try to keep a scrap of 2x8 under it when I think
> the temps will be in the ranges to cause this problem, but every now and
> then...

Yes, another reason to keep the plow inside. I also like having the cab
somewhat warm when I climb inside otherwise the truck is just getting
warm when I get done plowing!


Matt

Mike Marlow

"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:YzPlh.1952$Oc.122314@news1.epix.net...

>
> How do you like the Fisher overall? I like the Western other than the
> rust prone cylinders. The controls are great (I have the hand-held
> controller which is nice with the standard tranny) and the poly blade is
> nice also. If they had only used better chrome on the cylinders...
>

I really like my Fisher all in all. Mine is a fully hydraulic and I really
wanted an electric over hydraulic, but I took the first good used deal I
came across. The electric over hydraulics are much faster than the full
hydraulic models and they have refined them so that they don't just suck the
alternator right down when you use them like they used to.

Mine is a minute mount and I really like the way that my truck mounts tuck
up againts my truck frame a lot cleaner than some of the other plow
manufacturers do. I really don't have anything that hangs beneath the front
of my truck at all to speak of. My blade is steel which I really like. My
plow does not have down pressure like some of the newer plows do, and you
count on the weight of the blade when you are back blading away from a
building. We get a lot more snow up here than you do (except for this year)
and back blading is a part of plowing - inescapable.


>
> Yes, another reason to keep the plow inside. I also like having the cab
> somewhat warm when I climb inside otherwise the truck is just getting
> warm when I get done plowing!
>

I fire my truck up before I start to wipe the snow off, and then I usually
go back inside and let the truck get nice and warm before I go plow. My
driveway takes me about a half of an hour to plow (if I get meticulous about
it), and I have a couple of friends that I plow also, so I'm in my truck for
an hour or two when I go out to plow. That cast iron 350 takes a lot longer
to warm up to the point of delivering heat than my six cylinders do.

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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Matt Whiting

Mike Marlow wrote:
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> news:YzPlh.1952$Oc.122314@news1.epix.net...
>
>
>>How do you like the Fisher overall? I like the Western other than the
>>rust prone cylinders. The controls are great (I have the hand-held
>>controller which is nice with the standard tranny) and the poly blade is
>>nice also. If they had only used better chrome on the cylinders...
>>
>
>
> I really like my Fisher all in all. Mine is a fully hydraulic and I really
> wanted an electric over hydraulic, but I took the first good used deal I
> came across. The electric over hydraulics are much faster than the full
> hydraulic models and they have refined them so that they don't just suck the
> alternator right down when you use them like they used to.


My Western is electro-hydraulic and it moves pretty fast and doesn't
really affect the alternator when in operation, but it does dim the
lights a little!


> Mine is a minute mount and I really like the way that my truck mounts tuck
> up againts my truck frame a lot cleaner than some of the other plow
> manufacturers do. I really don't have anything that hangs beneath the front
> of my truck at all to speak of. My blade is steel which I really like. My
> plow does not have down pressure like some of the newer plows do, and you
> count on the weight of the blade when you are back blading away from a
> building. We get a lot more snow up here than you do (except for this year)
> and back blading is a part of plowing - inescapable.

Same with mine. It hangs from a chain on the lift arm so its weight is
all that provides down force, but this hasn't been a problem. Mine also
has the mount where everything detaches, including the power unit. All
I have on the truck is a small frame under the bumper and two electrical
cords in the grill.


>>Yes, another reason to keep the plow inside. I also like having the cab
>>somewhat warm when I climb inside otherwise the truck is just getting
>>warm when I get done plowing!
>>
>
>
> I fire my truck up before I start to wipe the snow off, and then I usually
> go back inside and let the truck get nice and warm before I go plow. My
> driveway takes me about a half of an hour to plow (if I get meticulous about
> it), and I have a couple of friends that I plow also, so I'm in my truck for
> an hour or two when I go out to plow. That cast iron 350 takes a lot longer
> to warm up to the point of delivering heat than my six cylinders do.

My driveway is only 1800' long and I can plow it and my parking areas
around the house in 20 minutes if the snowfall is less than a foot or
35-40 minutes for deeper snows. I have a cast iron V-6 (4.3L) and it
takes a long time to warm up at idle (probably 15 minutes). Even
plowing, I don't get a lot of heat for nearly 10 minutes, but once it
starts heating it will roast you right out of the cab. When I drive it
to work, it takes about 8 highway miles to get it fully warmed up on the
temperature gauge, but then it will heat a small house. I have to turn
the fan completely off if I'm at highway speeds and move the temp
indicator about halfway towards cold. I wish the Sonata had even half
of the heating capability of my K1500!


Matt

happy

Vineeth wrote:
> hyundaitech wrote:
>> 2000 RPM doesn't sound abnormally high for a cold start in cold weather.
>> Part of the strategy is to warm the engine quickly enough to be able to
>> use the oxygen sensors to be able to control fuel mixture.
> Thanks a lot. Now I can rest assured that my car is not peculiar.. & I
> need not feel guilty for not idling too long..
> I must say this is an awesome group...
>
Keep in mind, that all cars are designed first with pollution control in
mind (Oxygen sensors), not with longevity.
I would not ride any engine before oil reached all the places and engine
runs smoothly. Keep in mind, that most damage to your engine happens in
your driveway.