Brenda

Wednesday, October 06, 2004 commentary:
Hyundai gearing up to launch hybrid vehicles by 2007



Overview:

While Korea is on a red alert over rising oil prices, Hyundai Motor
Co., the nation's largest carmaker, is stepping up efforts to develop
fuel-efficient cars that run on a combination of gasoline and
electricity. Company officials said introduction of the hybrid cars
should come around 2007 or possibly earlier. The remaining work now is
safety testing and tuning," Kim Chul-soo, senior researcher of Hyundai
Motor, told The Korea Herald.

The hybrid project is quickly gaining momentum with the latest
national campaign to tackle rising oil prices. The government said on
Wednesday it will offer tax breaks on hybrid vehicles beginning in
2008. Hybrid cars run on battery power at low speeds and switch to a
traditional combustion engine at higher speeds. These engines get
about 25 kilometers per liter - up to 50 percent greater fuel
efficiency than gasoline-powered cars.

Hyundai is considering introducing several hybrid models. Kia Motors
Corp., the nation's No. 2 carmaker, is sharing research and technology
facilities with Hyundai Motor. The fuel cell generates electricity
from a chemical reaction of hydrogen and oxygen. Although hailed as an
ideal car to replace gasoline power, the fuel-cell vehicles are still
in the middle of the development process, experts say. "Producing a
fuel-cell car is still too expensive. Moreover, countries need to
build hydrogen fueling stations before introducing these cars and such
a project costs an enormous amount of money.
We will wait at least until 2010 before seeing fuel-cell cars enter
the market," said Yun Kyung-sun, a researcher at the Korea Automobile
Manufacturers Association.

fumunda cheeze

I hope you are right Brenda. the best thing that could ever possibly happen
to this nation is that we can tell the jews, arabs, and all opec to kiss
our keesters, and be sewlf sufficient, and that not one more person have to
die or kiss the Saudi's royal asses to get a barrel of oil. When their oil
is gone, they will be just sand nomads again. With hydrogen power, we can
again be truly FREE from all the tyrannical countries that now sell oil,
and our own leaders that give tax breaks to rich affluent people that buy
Hummers, Denalis, Navigators, Suburbans, and expeditions. These excesses
have caused oil to skyrocket, and the poor working class of US citizen has
to do without food, medicene, and clothing to buy fuel to go to work at
Wal-Mart


Gary

Brenda

Per my dealership Manager, the Tucsons are made as hybrids for fleets
only. So I want it by the time my warranty expires in 2007 (June).
But I learned from the gal on the phone at HyundaiUSA that it will be
a small car not SUV coming out in 2005, not auto year 2005, so it
sounds like it will be 2006 car.

I do plenty of city driving, so no gas usage will delight me.


"fumunda cheeze" <cheeze@foreskin.net> wrote in message news:<DhG9d.3666$q%7.440@newssvr11.news.prodigy.co m>...
> I hope you are right Brenda. the best thing that could ever possibly happen
> to this nation is that we can tell the jews, arabs, and all opec to kiss
> our keesters, and be sewlf sufficient, and that not one more person have to
> die or kiss the Saudi's royal asses to get a barrel of oil. When their oil
> is gone, they will be just sand nomads again. With hydrogen power, we can
> again be truly FREE from all the tyrannical countries that now sell oil,
> and our own leaders that give tax breaks to rich affluent people that buy
> Hummers, Denalis, Navigators, Suburbans, and expeditions. These excesses
> have caused oil to skyrocket, and the poor working class of US citizen has
> to do without food, medicene, and clothing to buy fuel to go to work at
> Wal-Mart
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> Gary

fumunda cheeze

I would almost forgo the warranty on mine if they would produce a hydrogen
powered vehicle. My warranty is good until 2012.

I hope that I will live to see this technology come alive. It should be
promoted by government officials, and the private sector.

As long as big guzzlers of gasoline are given status symbols, and our
government gives tax breaks for those type of products, the hydrogen fuel
cell offerings will continue to get only minimal production and usage.

Xiaoding

People, wake up. There's a reason there are no hydrogen cars for
sale...THEY DON'T WORK. Become familiar with the phrase "scaling up".
Anyone can build a neato little prototype to show on tv. Hydrogen
power will never be mass market, there are just too many problems with
it. Oh, and the mileage fiures you see for the hybrids are fantasys,
in real life they get 40mpg.

Xin















"fumunda cheeze" <cheeze@foreskin.net> wrote in message news:<GNbad.3920$q%7.439@newssvr11.news.prodigy.co m>...
> I would almost forgo the warranty on mine if they would produce a hydrogen
> powered vehicle. My warranty is good until 2012.
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> I hope that I will live to see this technology come alive. It should be
> promoted by government officials, and the private sector.
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> As long as big guzzlers of gasoline are given status symbols, and our
> government gives tax breaks for those type of products, the hydrogen fuel
> cell offerings will continue to get only minimal production and usage.

Robert Cohen

>Subject: Re: Hybrids by 2007
>From: xiaoding2@mindspring.com (Xiaoding)
>Date: 10/12/2004 1:00 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <c7b381d.0410120900.419c5332@posting.google.com>
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>People, wake up. There's a reason there are no hydrogen cars for
>sale...THEY DON'T WORK. Become familiar with the phrase "scaling up".
> Anyone can build a neato little prototype to show on tv. Hydrogen
>power will never be mass market, there are just too many problems with
>it. Oh, and the mileage fiures you see for the hybrids are fantasys,
>in real life they get 40mpg.
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>"fumunda cheeze" <cheeze@foreskin.net> wrote in message
>news:<GNbad.3920$q%7.439@newssvr11.news.prodigy.c om>...
>> I would almost forgo the warranty on mine if they would produce a hydrogen
>> powered vehicle. My warranty is good until 2012.
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>> I hope that I will live to see this technology come alive. It should be
>> promoted by government officials, and the private sector.
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>> As long as big guzzlers of gasoline are given status symbols, and our
>> government gives tax breaks for those type of products, the hydrogen fuel
>> cell offerings will continue to get only minimal production and usage.
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unfortunately, such also appears to me as being reality, the harsh realism from
what i subjectively have gleaned about hydrogen being overly-hyped pie in the
blue skiies

please join the <sci.energy.hydrogen> usenet news group for a continuing
debate/discussion amongst diverse opinions (the pros 'n cons 'n very confused
like me)

fumunda cheeze

I suspect the same type deductions were mad about all newly introduced
types of power. IE: when kerosene replaced whale oil,electricity replaced
kerosene, and diesel and gasoline replaced steam and the horse drawn
stagecoach and carriage.

I remember when I was a kid, and built hot rods. A guy once told me that
the idiot that came up with fuel injection for engines, and that they would
do away with carbureters for engines would be laughed out of the garage..
Also an idiot that would put a master cylinder for hydraulic brakes up on
the firewall of a car, and not under the floorboard would never work
either. No idiot would ever use an electric fuel pump for a car or truck,
especially mounted inside the gas tank.

With the increasing usage by third world countries, as their economies
improve (China) and the possibility of running out of fossil fuels in the
future, mankind will find new scources of heat and transportation, and a
whole new world of oportunities and jobs for those who develop it will be
limitless. I can hardly wait as it is very exciting to live in times to see
it become reality

Xiaoding

A lot of truth to this, but hydrogen is different from kerosene and
whale oil in this respect: you have to MAKE it. Oil has to be
refined, but it supplies it's own energy to do the refining. In order
to make hydrogen, you have to burn something else, then make the
hydrogen. Thus hydrogen is currently an energy transfer medium, not
an energy source. Add to that the VOLUME of hydrogen needed to run a
modern society and it just gets ridiculous.

Even if you came up with a new way to get hydrogen from water, you
would need facilites the size of a small continent just to store
enough of it. And that continent would be prone to blowing up a lot.


Nuclear, on the other hand, shows great promise. That and re-cycling
of biological waste into oil may just provide enough to keep things
going for awhile.





"fumunda cheeze" <cheeze@foreskin.net> wrote in message news:<Ie_ad.4826$Al3.3824@newssvr30.news.prodigy.c om>...
> I suspect the same type deductions were mad about all newly introduced
> types of power. IE: when kerosene replaced whale oil,electricity replaced
> kerosene, and diesel and gasoline replaced steam and the horse drawn
> stagecoach and carriage.
>
> I remember when I was a kid, and built hot rods. A guy once told me that
> the idiot that came up with fuel injection for engines, and that they would
> do away with carbureters for engines would be laughed out of the garage..
> Also an idiot that would put a master cylinder for hydraulic brakes up on
> the firewall of a car, and not under the floorboard would never work
> either. No idiot would ever use an electric fuel pump for a car or truck,
> especially mounted inside the gas tank.
>
> With the increasing usage by third world countries, as their economies
> improve (China) and the possibility of running out of fossil fuels in the
> future, mankind will find new scources of heat and transportation, and a
> whole new world of oportunities and jobs for those who develop it will be
> limitless. I can hardly wait as it is very exciting to live in times to see
> it become reality