Vic Smith

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 23:03:34 -0700 (PDT), mike3 <mike4ty4@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Jul 18, 8:15 pm, "Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote:
>> "mike3" <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>

>>
>> That is important information you left out the first time. Doing
>> diagnostics you follow certain paths of common problems. Noises when moving
>> versus noises when standing are usually very different sources.
>>
>
>And what about ones that occur during both?
>
>But now that I *have* given the information, what would you suspect
>now?

The internet can't help here. So far all I've gathered is there
is a "clicking" sound sometimes.
Maybe the dashboard is clicking when the sun hits it.
Maybe this, maybe that. Or quite possibly this or that.
Give up asking here and take it to somebody who can listen to it.
What does your wife say about it? She might know.
Every time my wife says "something's wrong with the car" I tell her
she's crazy.
Then a short time later I have to fix what was wrong.
Still haven't figured that out.

--Vic

Ed Pawlowski

"mike3" <mike4ty4@yahoo.com> wrote in message

But now that I *have* given the information, what would you suspect
now?


************************************************** ******************

I suspect you have no clue about cars. Buy a new one and it will be covered
under warranty.

fred

mike3 <mike4ty4@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:958733a5-da79-4279-9327-e581848e4190@c1g2000yqi.googlegroups.com:

> On Jul 18, 1:55 pm, Toyota MDT in MO <toyotamdti...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 18, 1:28 pm, mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>

>> Could you be a dear and leave usenet for those who don't slap
>> respondants' suggestions back in their faces? I can't tell you how
>> much I hope the noise is hubcap creep.
>>
>
> Why do you think I'm just dismissing it? Rather I thought about it,
> and
> I weighed it in light of available evidence.
>
*What* evidence? you didn't even try the only suggestion you've gotten.
Ok, take the car in to a mechanic and have him change the entire front
end. Cost you a couple of thousand, problably won't eliminate the sound,
will take at least a week without the car, but at least you won't have
spend 15 minutes removing the hubcaps and listening if the sound is gone.

jim

"mike3" <mike4ty4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a6ee7f73-19f0-44c9-b097-bc310a8475a1@n11g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...

>
> That is important information you left out the first time. Doing
> diagnostics you follow certain paths of common problems. Noises when
> moving
> versus noises when standing are usually very different sources.
>

And what about ones that occur during both?

But now that I *have* given the information, what would you suspect
now?


Rather obvious now, this Troll has caught a lot of us. I'm putting him in
my plop bucket.

Jim

Tegger

"Steve W." <csr684@NOTyahoo.com> wrote in news:h3tjba$qtc$1@aioe.org:

> Toyota MDT in MO wrote:
>
>> Could you be a dear and leave usenet for those who don't slap
>> respondants' suggestions back in their faces? I can't tell you how
>> much I hope the noise is hubcap creep.
>>
>> Toyota MDT in MO
>
> I'm thinking it's a sticky caliper. Just did another set of rear discs
> on a GM with STUCK glides.
>
> Anyone have a better lube for them? The stuff I'm using now is a
> silicone based grease made for the pins but it still doesn't last that
> long. The current method is to clean (or replace them if pitted) the
> pins. use a dowel to clean out the bores (a .30 caliber gun brush
> works REAL well) then solvent flush and air dry. Then a generous
> helping of lube and install the pins. Then a light coat of sealer
> inside the boot to lock it to the caliper mount and to the pin. I
> would think that water/air wouldn't be getting in there but I still
> get a couple that stick.
>



I don't know the specific setup you've got there, but if it's what I think
it is, then the rubber boots may be fitting too loosely (old), or the
grooves the boots sit in have corrosion in them.

On my car I've found Sil-Glyde to work the best for the pins, BUT it
depends on the cleanliness of the boot grooves, and the tightness of the
boots in those grooves. The rubber boots do expand with age, making them
fit more loosely, allowing water in.

--
Tegger

mike3

On Jul 19, 5:05 am, "Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote:
> "mike3" <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> But now that I *have* given the information, what would you suspect
> now?
>
> ************************************************** ******************
>
> I suspect you have no clue about cars. Buy a new one and it will be covered
> under warranty.

We don't have the money.

Why not tell me though what you would think, based on this new
information? Or
is it still not enough?

mike3

On Jul 19, 5:37 am, "jim" <jwhite18...@nospampeoplepc.com> wrote:
> "mike3" <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a6ee7f73-19f0-44c9-b097-bc310a8475a1@n11g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > That is important information you left out the first time. Doing
> > diagnostics you follow certain paths of common problems. Noises when
> > moving
> > versus noises when standing are usually very different sources.
>
> And what about ones that occur during both?
>
> But now that I *have* given the information, what would you suspect
> now?
>
> Rather obvious now, this Troll has caught a lot of us. I'm putting himin
> my plop bucket.
>

My intent though is not to troll this group. But you won't believe
that, I guess.
What exactly am I doing wrong?

mike3

On Jul 19, 4:35 am, Vic Smith <thismailautodele...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 23:03:34 -0700 (PDT), mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Jul 18, 8:15 pm, "Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote:
> >> "mike3" <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >> That is important information you left out the first time. Doing
> >> diagnostics you follow certain paths of common problems. Noises when moving
> >> versus noises when standing are usually very different sources.
>
> >And what about ones that occur during both?
>
> >But now that I *have* given the information, what would you suspect
> >now?
>
> The internet can't help here. So far all I've gathered is there
> is a "clicking" sound sometimes.
> Maybe the dashboard is clicking when the sun hits it.
> Maybe this, maybe that. Or quite possibly this or that.
> Give up asking here and take it to somebody who can listen to it.
> What does your wife say about it? She might know.
> Every time my wife says "something's wrong with the car" I tell her
> she's crazy.
> Then a short time later I have to fix what was wrong.
> Still haven't figured that out.
>

Well I do know someone who is more knowledgeable with this but
they were stumped. And we also took it to a mechanic at a car shop,
they didn't know what it was either.

mike3

On Jul 19, 5:18 am, fred <f...@bedrock.rock> wrote:
> mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:958733a5-da79-4279-9327-e581848e4190@c1g2000yqi.googlegroups.com:
>
> > On Jul 18, 1:55 pm, Toyota MDT in MO <toyotamdti...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Jul 18, 1:28 pm, mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> Could you be a dear and leave usenet for those who don't slap
> >> respondants' suggestions back in their faces? I can't tell you how
> >> much I hope the noise is hubcap creep.
>
> > Why do you think I'm just dismissing it? Rather I thought about it,
> > and
> > I weighed it in light of available evidence.
>
> *What* evidence? you didn't even try the only suggestion you've gotten.

The "evidence" is that the sound also happens when the car is not
moving
but idling, as I mentioned in another post here. I'm not sure how a
hubcap
could cause that.

> Ok, take the car in to a mechanic and have him change the entire front
> end. Cost you a couple of thousand, problably won't eliminate the sound,
> will take at least a week without the car, but at least you won't have
> spend 15 minutes removing the hubcaps and listening if the sound is gone.

Nicholas

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:30:01 -0700 (PDT), mike3 <mike4ty4@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Jul 19, 5:18 am, fred <f...@bedrock.rock> wrote:
>> mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:958733a5-da79-4279-9327-e581848e4190@c1g2000yqi.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > On Jul 18, 1:55 pm, Toyota MDT in MO <toyotamdti...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> On Jul 18, 1:28 pm, mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> Could you be a dear and leave usenet for those who don't slap
>> >> respondants' suggestions back in their faces? I can't tell you how
>> >> much I hope the noise is hubcap creep.
>>
>> > Why do you think I'm just dismissing it? Rather I thought about it,
>> > and
>> > I weighed it in light of available evidence.
>>
>> *What* evidence? you didn't even try the only suggestion you've gotten.
>
>The "evidence" is that the sound also happens when the car is not
>moving
>but idling, as I mentioned in another post here. I'm not sure how a
>hubcap
>could cause that.

For the sake of MY sanity, this thread is killfiled. but before I go,
lift the hood and see if you can narrow it down to a slipping
alternator/acon/water pump belt.

BY BYE !!!!!
<PLONK>

mike3

On Jul 19, 6:20 pm, Nicholas <Lawrence_Glick...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:30:01 -0700 (PDT), mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Jul 19, 5:18 am, fred <f...@bedrock.rock> wrote:
> >> mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:958733a5-da79-4279-9327-e581848e4190@c1g2000yqi.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> > On Jul 18, 1:55 pm, Toyota MDT in MO <toyotamdti...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Jul 18, 1:28 pm, mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> Could you be a dear and leave usenet for those who don't slap
> >> >> respondants' suggestions back in their faces? I can't tell you how
> >> >> much I hope the noise is hubcap creep.
>
> >> > Why do you think I'm just dismissing it? Rather I thought about it,
> >> > and
> >> > I weighed it in light of available evidence.
>
> >> *What* evidence? you didn't even try the only suggestion you've gotten..
>
> >The "evidence" is that the sound also happens when the car is not
> >moving
> >but idling, as I mentioned in another post here. I'm not sure how a
> >hubcap
> >could cause that.
>
> For the sake of MY sanity, this thread is killfiled. but before I go,
> lift the hood and see if you can narrow it down to a slipping
> alternator/acon/water pump belt.
>

I checked it, it seems tight.

> BY BYE !!!!!
> <PLONK>

Forget this group...

mike3

On Jul 17, 6:13 am, Nicholas <Lawrence_Glick...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 05:50:13 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >"mike3" <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message If I didn't think it viable, I
> >wouldn't have even bothered to look at
> >it. What
> >exactly am I supposed to be looking for? I tried wiggling it with my
> >hand and I didn't notice anything weird about it. If I didn't think
> >the
> >suggestion viable, then I wouldn't have done that. If my "test" was
> >done
> >wrong, then how should I test it right?
>
> some people should take the bus.
>
> TAKE THE HUBCAPS OFF! Can you do that??? Then, DO IT and report back
> here if the *noise* went away.
>

It's a family car and the rest of the family doesn't agree on doing
this hubcap thing,
for the reasons I've given.

Nicholas

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:07:04 -0700 (PDT), mike3 <mike4ty4@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Jul 17, 6:13 am, Nicholas <Lawrence_Glick...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 05:50:13 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >"mike3" <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message If I didn't think it viable, I
>> >wouldn't have even bothered to look at
>> >it. What
>> >exactly am I supposed to be looking for? I tried wiggling it with my
>> >hand and I didn't notice anything weird about it. If I didn't think
>> >the
>> >suggestion viable, then I wouldn't have done that. If my "test" was
>> >done
>> >wrong, then how should I test it right?
>>
>> some people should take the bus.
>>
>> TAKE THE HUBCAPS OFF! Can you do that??? Then, DO IT and report back
>> here if the *noise* went away.
>>
>
>It's a family car and the rest of the family doesn't agree on doing
>this hubcap thing,
>for the reasons I've given.

sight unseen, sound not heard, it is impossible to diagnose

Toyota MDT in MO

On Jul 18, 5:46 pm, "Steve W." <csr...@NOTyahoo.com> wrote:

> I'm thinking it's a sticky caliper. Just did another set of rear discs
> on a GM with STUCK glides.
>
> Anyone have a better lube for them? The stuff I'm using now is a
> silicone based grease made for the pins but it still doesn't last that long.
> The current method is to clean (or replace them if pitted) the pins. use
> a dowel to clean out the bores (a .30 caliber gun brush works REAL well)
> then solvent flush and air dry. Then a generous helping of lube and
> install the pins. Then a light coat of sealer inside the boot to lock it
> to the caliper mount and to the pin. I would think that water/air
> wouldn't be getting in there but I still get a couple that stick.
>
> --
> Steve W.

There are a lot of good brake greases available. I'm currently using
a purple colored Permatex product (brush in cap style) that may
actually be relabelled Ceramlub. Its visible properties and
performance seem OK but it's too early to tell at this time. If you
are in NY, then you just have to suffer the consequences of nasty
weather and salt (if used). I would suggest on caliper bores that
aren't corroded, you don't brush them or their pins, but clean and dry
with solvent/swab/whatever. There's no reason to abraid the corrosion
resistant coating if it is still working. On corroded parts you have
to wire brush or replace. The rubber components are usually the
culprit when a pin gets corroded. If you replace them with the
typical aftermarket boot kit you will probably be in for more of the
same as they are often thin, distorted junk compared to OE. They
barely hold up here in mostly decent weather, I can't imagine crappy
boots standing a chance in the N.E.

Toyota MDT in MO

On Jul 18, 6:46 pm, Nicholas <Lawrence_Glick...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 18:46:26 -0400, "Steve W." <csr...@NOTyahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Toyota MDT in MO wrote:
>
> >> Could you be a dear and leave usenet for those who don't slap
> >> respondants' suggestions back in their faces? I can't tell you how
> >> much I hope the noise is hubcap creep.
>
> >> Toyota MDT in MO
>
> >I'm thinking it's a sticky caliper. Just did another set of rear discs
> >on a GM with STUCK glides.
>
> >Anyone have a better lube for them?
>
> I got some black stuff in little clear plastic tubes; can't remember
> name...too lazy to dig through my *kit* but for giggles, couldn't you
> just squeeze some silver-colored anti-seize into the pin guides? The
> same stuff we use on spark plugs. Takes the heat, just can't say how
> long it would stay where it should. Then in 30 days or so, see if you
> still have play in the calipers...maybe use a screwdriver to test, but
> remember the pads need to be compressed first. So have to remove
> wheel and tire to do that. Just an idea if you've got the time.
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> > The stuff I'm using now is a
> >silicone based grease made for the pins but it still doesn't last that long.
> >The current method is to clean (or replace them if pitted) the pins. use
> >a dowel to clean out the bores (a .30 caliber gun brush works REAL well)
> >then solvent flush and air dry. Then a generous helping of lube and
> >install the pins. Then a light coat of sealer inside the boot to lock it
> >to the caliper mount and to the pin. I would think that water/air
> >wouldn't be getting in there but I still get a couple that stick.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Antiseize isn't a terrible thing to use on sealed slide parts, but it
isn't ideal or recommended for this application. It isn't quite the
lubricant that silicone/ceramic products are and it doesn't seal out,
shed or adhere in moisture as well.