Hyundai in the news
03-23-2005, 12:38 PM
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03-24-2005, 07:51 AM
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Re: Hyundai in the news
NBC News this morning stated that Hyundai will have Standard XM radio
in auto in 2006. But we still have to pay $12 a month for satelitte
radio?
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in auto in 2006. But we still have to pay $12 a month for satelitte
radio?
illusion123a wrote:
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...akecompetition
03-24-2005, 09:02 AM
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theawesome1@despammed.com wrote:
> NBC News this morning stated that Hyundai will have Standard XM radio
> in auto in 2006. But we still have to pay $12 a month for satelitte
> radio?
Of course. It's simply a marketing ploy by both companies. It's no
different than GM and OnStar. The give it to you free for a while,
hoping you'll become dependent on it and be willing to pay for it once
the trial period expires.
> NBC News this morning stated that Hyundai will have Standard XM radio
> in auto in 2006. But we still have to pay $12 a month for satelitte
> radio?
Of course. It's simply a marketing ploy by both companies. It's no
different than GM and OnStar. The give it to you free for a while,
hoping you'll become dependent on it and be willing to pay for it once
the trial period expires.
03-24-2005, 07:10 PM
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>>> Of course. It's simply a marketing ploy by both companies. It's no
different than GM and OnStar. The give it to you free for a while,
hoping you'll become dependent on it and be willing to pay for it once
the trial period expires.
And you will. But the point is that other automakers charge big money
for XM -- for example, Nissan & Toyota charge several hundred dollars.
XM has reached a point where their technology is cheap enough to almost
give it away. That's why this is happening now.
It was a smart move by Hyundai. Hyundai knows they have a great
product but an image problem. This helps to improve their image by
putting them way out front of all other automakers (no other has gone
standard equipment with XM yet).
different than GM and OnStar. The give it to you free for a while,
hoping you'll become dependent on it and be willing to pay for it once
the trial period expires.
And you will. But the point is that other automakers charge big money
for XM -- for example, Nissan & Toyota charge several hundred dollars.
XM has reached a point where their technology is cheap enough to almost
give it away. That's why this is happening now.
It was a smart move by Hyundai. Hyundai knows they have a great
product but an image problem. This helps to improve their image by
putting them way out front of all other automakers (no other has gone
standard equipment with XM yet).
03-24-2005, 11:49 PM
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>> I would prefer if it came with sirius
There are people on both sides. I have both, but prefer XM. But the
bottom line is that both services are so much better than AM/FM, it
really doesn't matter. XM's music is quite a bit better IMO.
Sirius cannot do this kind of deal yet because it is cost prohibitive.
A few years from now, maybe. But right now, XM's technology lead is
cost effective enough to make a deal like this workable and Sirius'
isn't.
There are people on both sides. I have both, but prefer XM. But the
bottom line is that both services are so much better than AM/FM, it
really doesn't matter. XM's music is quite a bit better IMO.
Sirius cannot do this kind of deal yet because it is cost prohibitive.
A few years from now, maybe. But right now, XM's technology lead is
cost effective enough to make a deal like this workable and Sirius'
isn't.
03-25-2005, 09:21 AM
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frontmed@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>Of course. It's simply a marketing ploy by both companies. It's no
>
> different than GM and OnStar. The give it to you free for a while,
> hoping you'll become dependent on it and be willing to pay for it once
> the trial period expires.
>
> And you will. But the point is that other automakers charge big money
> for XM -- for example, Nissan & Toyota charge several hundred dollars.
> XM has reached a point where their technology is cheap enough to almost
> give it away. That's why this is happening now.
>
> It was a smart move by Hyundai. Hyundai knows they have a great
> product but an image problem. This helps to improve their image by
> putting them way out front of all other automakers (no other has gone
> standard equipment with XM yet).
>
You making the rather big - and quite possibly erroneous - assumption
that there are a lot of people out there that would be swayed to buy a
car simply because it comes with a radio that requires you to pay for
the privilege of listening to it. Particularly with a brand that's known
for inexpensive vehicles, that seems highly unlikely. It's also
questionable whether XM or Serius will even survive.
>>>>Of course. It's simply a marketing ploy by both companies. It's no
>
> different than GM and OnStar. The give it to you free for a while,
> hoping you'll become dependent on it and be willing to pay for it once
> the trial period expires.
>
> And you will. But the point is that other automakers charge big money
> for XM -- for example, Nissan & Toyota charge several hundred dollars.
> XM has reached a point where their technology is cheap enough to almost
> give it away. That's why this is happening now.
>
> It was a smart move by Hyundai. Hyundai knows they have a great
> product but an image problem. This helps to improve their image by
> putting them way out front of all other automakers (no other has gone
> standard equipment with XM yet).
>
You making the rather big - and quite possibly erroneous - assumption
that there are a lot of people out there that would be swayed to buy a
car simply because it comes with a radio that requires you to pay for
the privilege of listening to it. Particularly with a brand that's known
for inexpensive vehicles, that seems highly unlikely. It's also
questionable whether XM or Serius will even survive.
03-25-2005, 09:55 AM
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"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@att.net> wrote in message
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> frontmed@gmail.com wrote:
--snip---snip---snip---
> You making the rather big - and quite possibly erroneous - assumption
> that there are a lot of people out there that would be swayed to buy a
> car simply because it comes with a radio that requires you to pay for
> the privilege of listening to it. Particularly with a brand that's known
> for inexpensive vehicles, that seems highly unlikely. It's also
> questionable whether XM or Serius will even survive.
Are satallite radio receivers installed instead of, or in addition to
regular receivers?
03-25-2005, 10:07 AM
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>>> You making the rather big - and quite possibly erroneous -
assumption
that there are a lot of people out there that would be swayed to buy a
car simply because it comes with a radio that requires you to pay for
the privilege of listening to it. Particularly with a brand that's
known
for inexpensive vehicles, that seems highly unlikely.
This is not an assumption. GM has heavily reasearched the subject and
determined that cars factory equipped with XM sell faster than cars
that aren't.
>>> questionable whether XM or Serius will even survive.
At this point, the survival of both companies is no longer in question.
Sirius still has some major financial hurdles to clear and may or may
not be fully funded, but XM has a billion in cash and will actually
post its first cash positive quarter this quarter (although, they will
return to a cash flow negative situation for a few more quarters;
however, the cash burn for XM at this point is minimal). Not only is
XM in a secure financial position at this point; they will, a couple
years from now, have reached a point where the term "cash cow" will
apply.
Sirius may need a small amount of additional funding, but will have no
trouble raising another few hundred million in the debt markets.
assumption
that there are a lot of people out there that would be swayed to buy a
car simply because it comes with a radio that requires you to pay for
the privilege of listening to it. Particularly with a brand that's
known
for inexpensive vehicles, that seems highly unlikely.
This is not an assumption. GM has heavily reasearched the subject and
determined that cars factory equipped with XM sell faster than cars
that aren't.
>>> questionable whether XM or Serius will even survive.
At this point, the survival of both companies is no longer in question.
Sirius still has some major financial hurdles to clear and may or may
not be fully funded, but XM has a billion in cash and will actually
post its first cash positive quarter this quarter (although, they will
return to a cash flow negative situation for a few more quarters;
however, the cash burn for XM at this point is minimal). Not only is
XM in a secure financial position at this point; they will, a couple
years from now, have reached a point where the term "cash cow" will
apply.
Sirius may need a small amount of additional funding, but will have no
trouble raising another few hundred million in the debt markets.
03-25-2005, 10:57 AM
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<frontmed@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> >> Are satallite radio receivers installed instead of, or in addition
> to regular receivers?
>
> Factory installed units appear as part of the regular am/fm radio.
> There is just a new band called xm.
Thank you.
03-25-2005, 11:35 AM
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frontmed@gmail.com wrote:
>>>Are satallite radio receivers installed instead of, or in addition
>
> to regular receivers?
>
> Factory installed units appear as part of the regular am/fm radio.
> There is just a new band called xm.
>
I didn't mean to imply that the radios would be XM only. Sorry for any
confusion.
>>>Are satallite radio receivers installed instead of, or in addition
>
> to regular receivers?
>
> Factory installed units appear as part of the regular am/fm radio.
> There is just a new band called xm.
>
I didn't mean to imply that the radios would be XM only. Sorry for any
confusion.
03-25-2005, 11:40 AM
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Re: Hyundai in the news
frontmed@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>You making the rather big - and quite possibly erroneous -
>
> assumption
> that there are a lot of people out there that would be swayed to buy a
> car simply because it comes with a radio that requires you to pay for
> the privilege of listening to it. Particularly with a brand that's
> known
> for inexpensive vehicles, that seems highly unlikely.
>
> This is not an assumption. GM has heavily reasearched the subject and
> determined that cars factory equipped with XM sell faster than cars
> that aren't.
>
GM also sells a lot of more upscale vehicles than Hyundai does. One
could also argue that anyone that would buy a GM vehicle can probably be
talked into just about anything. ;-)
>
>>>>questionable whether XM or Serius will even survive.
>
>
> At this point, the survival of both companies is no longer in question.
> Sirius still has some major financial hurdles to clear and may or may
> not be fully funded, but XM has a billion in cash and will actually
> post its first cash positive quarter this quarter (although, they will
> return to a cash flow negative situation for a few more quarters;
> however, the cash burn for XM at this point is minimal). Not only is
> XM in a secure financial position at this point; they will, a couple
> years from now, have reached a point where the term "cash cow" will
> apply.
>
> Sirius may need a small amount of additional funding, but will have no
> trouble raising another few hundred million in the debt markets.
>
That all sounds rosy, but if people don't buy the service, they're not
going to survive. The history of new technologies is awash with "sure
fire" companies that didn't make it. Personally, I can't ever see myself
paying for radio.
>>>>You making the rather big - and quite possibly erroneous -
>
> assumption
> that there are a lot of people out there that would be swayed to buy a
> car simply because it comes with a radio that requires you to pay for
> the privilege of listening to it. Particularly with a brand that's
> known
> for inexpensive vehicles, that seems highly unlikely.
>
> This is not an assumption. GM has heavily reasearched the subject and
> determined that cars factory equipped with XM sell faster than cars
> that aren't.
>
GM also sells a lot of more upscale vehicles than Hyundai does. One
could also argue that anyone that would buy a GM vehicle can probably be
talked into just about anything. ;-)
>
>>>>questionable whether XM or Serius will even survive.
>
>
> At this point, the survival of both companies is no longer in question.
> Sirius still has some major financial hurdles to clear and may or may
> not be fully funded, but XM has a billion in cash and will actually
> post its first cash positive quarter this quarter (although, they will
> return to a cash flow negative situation for a few more quarters;
> however, the cash burn for XM at this point is minimal). Not only is
> XM in a secure financial position at this point; they will, a couple
> years from now, have reached a point where the term "cash cow" will
> apply.
>
> Sirius may need a small amount of additional funding, but will have no
> trouble raising another few hundred million in the debt markets.
>
That all sounds rosy, but if people don't buy the service, they're not
going to survive. The history of new technologies is awash with "sure
fire" companies that didn't make it. Personally, I can't ever see myself
paying for radio.
03-25-2005, 12:31 PM
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Re: Hyundai in the news
"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@att.net> wrote in message
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> frontmed@gmail.com wrote:
---snip---snip---snip---
> Personally, I can't ever see myself paying for radio.
I feel the same way... at least for now. I'm old enough to remember when
having a radio (any radio) in a vehicle was a big deal. What I really want
is a radio that does the same thing that TiVo does for my television
viewing!