Matt Whiting

Tunez wrote:
> Matt I havnt bought any filters yet I was just looking but here is the 1st
> site I found them
> http://catalog.autopartsperformance....=null&dp=false
>
> I only looked for filters for my XG350L but I assume they carry filters for
> all Hyundais ..AGAIN I looked on google for HYUNDAI PERMANCE as I mentioned
> before and it was the SECOND SITE on the page

I found this site and many others like it, but these aren't Hyundai OEM
filters, they are aftermarket filters that fit Hyundais. I was looking
to buy the factory filters online. Thanks anyway.

Matt

Eric G.

Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in
news:bytHf.6058$lb.540021@news1.epix.net:

> I found this site and many others like it, but these aren't Hyundai
> OEM filters, they are aftermarket filters that fit Hyundais. I was
> looking to buy the factory filters online. Thanks anyway.
>
> Matt

Try here: http://tinyurl.com/avqh3

I think they are genuine.

Eric

Eric G.

Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in
news:bytHf.6058$lb.540021@news1.epix.net:

> I found this site and many others like it, but these aren't Hyundai
> OEM filters, they are aftermarket filters that fit Hyundais. I was
> looking to buy the factory filters online. Thanks anyway.
>
> Matt

Try here: http://tinyurl.com/avqh3

I think they are genuine.

Eric

Eric G.

Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in
news:bytHf.6058$lb.540021@news1.epix.net:

> I found this site and many others like it, but these aren't Hyundai
> OEM filters, they are aftermarket filters that fit Hyundais. I was
> looking to buy the factory filters online. Thanks anyway.
>
> Matt

Try here: http://tinyurl.com/avqh3

I think they are genuine.

Eric

Bob

"Eric G." <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet> wrote in message
news:Xns9767B75A2D24CXz124HiiUdfEEE6@140.99.99.130 ...
> Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in
> news:bytHf.6058$lb.540021@news1.epix.net:
>
>> I found this site and many others like it, but these aren't Hyundai
>> OEM filters, they are aftermarket filters that fit Hyundais. I was
>> looking to buy the factory filters online. Thanks anyway.
>>
>> Matt
>
> Try here: http://tinyurl.com/avqh3
>
> I think they are genuine.
>
> Eric
>
"Sorry, no parts found" For a 2006 V6 kinda kills their claim of "If you
can drive it, we have it!"

Bob

"Eric G." <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet> wrote in message
news:Xns9767B75A2D24CXz124HiiUdfEEE6@140.99.99.130 ...
> Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in
> news:bytHf.6058$lb.540021@news1.epix.net:
>
>> I found this site and many others like it, but these aren't Hyundai
>> OEM filters, they are aftermarket filters that fit Hyundais. I was
>> looking to buy the factory filters online. Thanks anyway.
>>
>> Matt
>
> Try here: http://tinyurl.com/avqh3
>
> I think they are genuine.
>
> Eric
>
"Sorry, no parts found" For a 2006 V6 kinda kills their claim of "If you
can drive it, we have it!"

Bob

"Eric G." <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet> wrote in message
news:Xns9767B75A2D24CXz124HiiUdfEEE6@140.99.99.130 ...
> Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in
> news:bytHf.6058$lb.540021@news1.epix.net:
>
>> I found this site and many others like it, but these aren't Hyundai
>> OEM filters, they are aftermarket filters that fit Hyundais. I was
>> looking to buy the factory filters online. Thanks anyway.
>>
>> Matt
>
> Try here: http://tinyurl.com/avqh3
>
> I think they are genuine.
>
> Eric
>
"Sorry, no parts found" For a 2006 V6 kinda kills their claim of "If you
can drive it, we have it!"

Rev. Tom Wenndt

Gentlemen, I have heard this rant ad nauseum in various posts on this site.

And when it comes to Fram's basic "orange" filter, you may have some valid
points about some of what is inside.

But the fact is that these filters, re-badged, are used by as many quick oil
changes facilities as any brand used in the U.S. Surely, these
organizations would not hang themselves out to dry if they were truly that
bad. And carmakers would be quick to put it out a "warranty void" on this
filter if they felt like these were a problem (yes, they can and will do
that).

To those who are used to using Fram (or even if you aren't), they have a
filter that has actually out-tested one of the darling filters on this site,
the Purolater "Pure One." It is called the Fram Tough Guard, it comes in a
gray box, and costs anywhere from $5-7 instead of the orange's $3 or so.

All the things you two say are lacking in Frams are in this filter, from the
sythetic media, to the improved drain-back valve and screen, to the quality
of the outer O-ring. This is the filter I use, and I use it because it is
the best one out there, bar none.

It also has the easy-grab end that the Purolater, Wix, and all the others
don't, the only thing that allows me to remove filters on my car without
renting Gumby for an hour.

Fram is on the cutting edge with other filters being designed for different
applications and specified uses (read also, higher price).

As for the other brands, both I and my best friend (both of us in our 40's),
have had only one oil-related failure in our long string of owned cars.
Both were filter related. Mine was a Purolater, his was a Wix. We both now
know better.

You are entitled to your opinion, but please do not equate a brand that has
survived for decades by making quality products with the equivalent of
dumping sugar in one's gas tank.

Tom Wenndt




"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:LwlHf.2318$C02.2138@trndny02...
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>> Joel Willstein wrote:
>>
>>> I'm using Fram filters from Aid Auto stores.
>>
>>
>> Run, don't walk away from Fram filters. They are about the lowest
>> quality oil filter currently on the market. There are a couple of web
>> sites that show filters cut open and you can easily see how inferior
>> Frams are these days. It is a shame because 20 years ago, they were one
>> of the best available.
>
> Agreed, Fram is junk! They're apparently the filter that prompted
> Hyundai's TSB about using aftermarket filter in the Elantra. Purolator,
> Wix and Napa filters are good quality and work well.

Rev. Tom Wenndt

Gentlemen, I have heard this rant ad nauseum in various posts on this site.

And when it comes to Fram's basic "orange" filter, you may have some valid
points about some of what is inside.

But the fact is that these filters, re-badged, are used by as many quick oil
changes facilities as any brand used in the U.S. Surely, these
organizations would not hang themselves out to dry if they were truly that
bad. And carmakers would be quick to put it out a "warranty void" on this
filter if they felt like these were a problem (yes, they can and will do
that).

To those who are used to using Fram (or even if you aren't), they have a
filter that has actually out-tested one of the darling filters on this site,
the Purolater "Pure One." It is called the Fram Tough Guard, it comes in a
gray box, and costs anywhere from $5-7 instead of the orange's $3 or so.

All the things you two say are lacking in Frams are in this filter, from the
sythetic media, to the improved drain-back valve and screen, to the quality
of the outer O-ring. This is the filter I use, and I use it because it is
the best one out there, bar none.

It also has the easy-grab end that the Purolater, Wix, and all the others
don't, the only thing that allows me to remove filters on my car without
renting Gumby for an hour.

Fram is on the cutting edge with other filters being designed for different
applications and specified uses (read also, higher price).

As for the other brands, both I and my best friend (both of us in our 40's),
have had only one oil-related failure in our long string of owned cars.
Both were filter related. Mine was a Purolater, his was a Wix. We both now
know better.

You are entitled to your opinion, but please do not equate a brand that has
survived for decades by making quality products with the equivalent of
dumping sugar in one's gas tank.

Tom Wenndt




"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:LwlHf.2318$C02.2138@trndny02...
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>> Joel Willstein wrote:
>>
>>> I'm using Fram filters from Aid Auto stores.
>>
>>
>> Run, don't walk away from Fram filters. They are about the lowest
>> quality oil filter currently on the market. There are a couple of web
>> sites that show filters cut open and you can easily see how inferior
>> Frams are these days. It is a shame because 20 years ago, they were one
>> of the best available.
>
> Agreed, Fram is junk! They're apparently the filter that prompted
> Hyundai's TSB about using aftermarket filter in the Elantra. Purolator,
> Wix and Napa filters are good quality and work well.

Rev. Tom Wenndt

Gentlemen, I have heard this rant ad nauseum in various posts on this site.

And when it comes to Fram's basic "orange" filter, you may have some valid
points about some of what is inside.

But the fact is that these filters, re-badged, are used by as many quick oil
changes facilities as any brand used in the U.S. Surely, these
organizations would not hang themselves out to dry if they were truly that
bad. And carmakers would be quick to put it out a "warranty void" on this
filter if they felt like these were a problem (yes, they can and will do
that).

To those who are used to using Fram (or even if you aren't), they have a
filter that has actually out-tested one of the darling filters on this site,
the Purolater "Pure One." It is called the Fram Tough Guard, it comes in a
gray box, and costs anywhere from $5-7 instead of the orange's $3 or so.

All the things you two say are lacking in Frams are in this filter, from the
sythetic media, to the improved drain-back valve and screen, to the quality
of the outer O-ring. This is the filter I use, and I use it because it is
the best one out there, bar none.

It also has the easy-grab end that the Purolater, Wix, and all the others
don't, the only thing that allows me to remove filters on my car without
renting Gumby for an hour.

Fram is on the cutting edge with other filters being designed for different
applications and specified uses (read also, higher price).

As for the other brands, both I and my best friend (both of us in our 40's),
have had only one oil-related failure in our long string of owned cars.
Both were filter related. Mine was a Purolater, his was a Wix. We both now
know better.

You are entitled to your opinion, but please do not equate a brand that has
survived for decades by making quality products with the equivalent of
dumping sugar in one's gas tank.

Tom Wenndt




"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:LwlHf.2318$C02.2138@trndny02...
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>> Joel Willstein wrote:
>>
>>> I'm using Fram filters from Aid Auto stores.
>>
>>
>> Run, don't walk away from Fram filters. They are about the lowest
>> quality oil filter currently on the market. There are a couple of web
>> sites that show filters cut open and you can easily see how inferior
>> Frams are these days. It is a shame because 20 years ago, they were one
>> of the best available.
>
> Agreed, Fram is junk! They're apparently the filter that prompted
> Hyundai's TSB about using aftermarket filter in the Elantra. Purolator,
> Wix and Napa filters are good quality and work well.

Matt Whiting

Eric G. wrote:

> Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in
> news:bytHf.6058$lb.540021@news1.epix.net:
>
>
>>I found this site and many others like it, but these aren't Hyundai
>>OEM filters, they are aftermarket filters that fit Hyundais. I was
>>looking to buy the factory filters online. Thanks anyway.
>>
>>Matt
>
>
> Try here: http://tinyurl.com/avqh3
>
> I think they are genuine.
>
> Eric

I can't say they aren't the real McCoy, but they are quite different
from the real Hyundai filter I have in my hand. A few of the obvious
differences:

1. These have paint sprayed on part of the base, but my Hyundai filter
has a painted canister, but the base, including the crimped rim, is
completely unpainted and appears to be made of stainless steel as it has
no rust on it.

2. This filter has a cross hair in a circle mark on it that isn't on my
Hyundai filter.

3. This filter appears to be black rather than blue.

4. This filter has completely different writing on it. For example, it
says to tighten 3/4 turn, whereas the real filter says 4/5 turn. Also,
the writing on the Hyundai filter has a box around it, and this one doesn't.

5. This filter has a logo that appears like two mountain peaks and seems
to start with the letter F. The Hyundai filter has the Hyundai logo on
top with the Kia logo underneath.

6. The Hyundai filter has a plastic film glued over the business end of
the filter to keep out contamination and this filter has none.

Maybe this is just an older style, but never having seen an older
Hyunday filter, I just can't say. This is the one that I found that I
thought was using the brand name of "genuine" to lure the unsuspecting.
Maybe I'm wrong, but this just doesn't seem to me to pass the smell test.


Matt

Matt Whiting

Eric G. wrote:

> Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in
> news:bytHf.6058$lb.540021@news1.epix.net:
>
>
>>I found this site and many others like it, but these aren't Hyundai
>>OEM filters, they are aftermarket filters that fit Hyundais. I was
>>looking to buy the factory filters online. Thanks anyway.
>>
>>Matt
>
>
> Try here: http://tinyurl.com/avqh3
>
> I think they are genuine.
>
> Eric

I can't say they aren't the real McCoy, but they are quite different
from the real Hyundai filter I have in my hand. A few of the obvious
differences:

1. These have paint sprayed on part of the base, but my Hyundai filter
has a painted canister, but the base, including the crimped rim, is
completely unpainted and appears to be made of stainless steel as it has
no rust on it.

2. This filter has a cross hair in a circle mark on it that isn't on my
Hyundai filter.

3. This filter appears to be black rather than blue.

4. This filter has completely different writing on it. For example, it
says to tighten 3/4 turn, whereas the real filter says 4/5 turn. Also,
the writing on the Hyundai filter has a box around it, and this one doesn't.

5. This filter has a logo that appears like two mountain peaks and seems
to start with the letter F. The Hyundai filter has the Hyundai logo on
top with the Kia logo underneath.

6. The Hyundai filter has a plastic film glued over the business end of
the filter to keep out contamination and this filter has none.

Maybe this is just an older style, but never having seen an older
Hyunday filter, I just can't say. This is the one that I found that I
thought was using the brand name of "genuine" to lure the unsuspecting.
Maybe I'm wrong, but this just doesn't seem to me to pass the smell test.


Matt

Matt Whiting

Eric G. wrote:

> Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in
> news:bytHf.6058$lb.540021@news1.epix.net:
>
>
>>I found this site and many others like it, but these aren't Hyundai
>>OEM filters, they are aftermarket filters that fit Hyundais. I was
>>looking to buy the factory filters online. Thanks anyway.
>>
>>Matt
>
>
> Try here: http://tinyurl.com/avqh3
>
> I think they are genuine.
>
> Eric

I can't say they aren't the real McCoy, but they are quite different
from the real Hyundai filter I have in my hand. A few of the obvious
differences:

1. These have paint sprayed on part of the base, but my Hyundai filter
has a painted canister, but the base, including the crimped rim, is
completely unpainted and appears to be made of stainless steel as it has
no rust on it.

2. This filter has a cross hair in a circle mark on it that isn't on my
Hyundai filter.

3. This filter appears to be black rather than blue.

4. This filter has completely different writing on it. For example, it
says to tighten 3/4 turn, whereas the real filter says 4/5 turn. Also,
the writing on the Hyundai filter has a box around it, and this one doesn't.

5. This filter has a logo that appears like two mountain peaks and seems
to start with the letter F. The Hyundai filter has the Hyundai logo on
top with the Kia logo underneath.

6. The Hyundai filter has a plastic film glued over the business end of
the filter to keep out contamination and this filter has none.

Maybe this is just an older style, but never having seen an older
Hyunday filter, I just can't say. This is the one that I found that I
thought was using the brand name of "genuine" to lure the unsuspecting.
Maybe I'm wrong, but this just doesn't seem to me to pass the smell test.


Matt

Matt Whiting

Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:

> Gentlemen, I have heard this rant ad nauseum in various posts on this site.
>
> And when it comes to Fram's basic "orange" filter, you may have some valid
> points about some of what is inside.

Yes, I was referring to the basic Fram filter.


> But the fact is that these filters, re-badged, are used by as many quick oil
> changes facilities as any brand used in the U.S. Surely, these
> organizations would not hang themselves out to dry if they were truly that
> bad. And carmakers would be quick to put it out a "warranty void" on this
> filter if they felt like these were a problem (yes, they can and will do
> that).

I tend to not use anything used by a quick change place. That
"endorsement" alone will keep me away.


> To those who are used to using Fram (or even if you aren't), they have a
> filter that has actually out-tested one of the darling filters on this site,
> the Purolater "Pure One." It is called the Fram Tough Guard, it comes in a
> gray box, and costs anywhere from $5-7 instead of the orange's $3 or so.

Where is that test? I've seen only a few filter tests of any substance,
and although the Tough Guard is decidely better than the basic Fram,
I've never seen it place more than than in the lower part of the upper
third of the performance grid. Every test I've seen places the Mobil 1
filter at the top by a long shot, but then it is also at the top
price-wise by an equal margin.


> All the things you two say are lacking in Frams are in this filter, from the
> sythetic media, to the improved drain-back valve and screen, to the quality
> of the outer O-ring. This is the filter I use, and I use it because it is
> the best one out there, bar none.

Baloney. It isn't even close to the Mobil 1 filter. It still uses a
cardboard end cap last I knew.
http://people.msoe.edu/~yoderw/oilfi...lterstudy.html


> It also has the easy-grab end that the Purolater, Wix, and all the others
> don't, the only thing that allows me to remove filters on my car without
> renting Gumby for an hour.

I haven't changed mine yet, but my other cars have easy access for a
filter wrench. If the Hyundai doesn't, that could be a problem.


> Fram is on the cutting edge with other filters being designed for different
> applications and specified uses (read also, higher price).

Such as?


> As for the other brands, both I and my best friend (both of us in our 40's),
> have had only one oil-related failure in our long string of owned cars.
> Both were filter related. Mine was a Purolater, his was a Wix. We both now
> know better.

I'm well into my 40's also and have never had an oil filter related
failure. I did use Fram's on my 89 Acclaim until someone told me that
the lifter noise I heard at startup was due to the crappy anti-drainback
valve. I switched to AC filters and the noise went away completely. I
haven't used a Fram in the 15 years since then.

I've used ACs as they are a good filter at a very good price, at least
they were when Wal-Mart still sold them. Now that they are only
available at GM dealers, the price isn't that great anymore, however, I
was able to buy a case of them online for about $4 each and that will
probably last me until I'm ready to retire the minivan.


> You are entitled to your opinion, but please do not equate a brand that has
> survived for decades by making quality products with the equivalent of
> dumping sugar in one's gas tank.

Yes, we are all entitled to our opinions. I don't equate using Fram
filters to dumping sugar in the tank, but using the basic Fram filter
isn't far above that. There are too many other good filters on the
market for anyone to use a basic Fram. And for the price of a Tough
Guard, you can get better alternatives.

Matt

Matt Whiting

Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:

> Gentlemen, I have heard this rant ad nauseum in various posts on this site.
>
> And when it comes to Fram's basic "orange" filter, you may have some valid
> points about some of what is inside.

Yes, I was referring to the basic Fram filter.


> But the fact is that these filters, re-badged, are used by as many quick oil
> changes facilities as any brand used in the U.S. Surely, these
> organizations would not hang themselves out to dry if they were truly that
> bad. And carmakers would be quick to put it out a "warranty void" on this
> filter if they felt like these were a problem (yes, they can and will do
> that).

I tend to not use anything used by a quick change place. That
"endorsement" alone will keep me away.


> To those who are used to using Fram (or even if you aren't), they have a
> filter that has actually out-tested one of the darling filters on this site,
> the Purolater "Pure One." It is called the Fram Tough Guard, it comes in a
> gray box, and costs anywhere from $5-7 instead of the orange's $3 or so.

Where is that test? I've seen only a few filter tests of any substance,
and although the Tough Guard is decidely better than the basic Fram,
I've never seen it place more than than in the lower part of the upper
third of the performance grid. Every test I've seen places the Mobil 1
filter at the top by a long shot, but then it is also at the top
price-wise by an equal margin.


> All the things you two say are lacking in Frams are in this filter, from the
> sythetic media, to the improved drain-back valve and screen, to the quality
> of the outer O-ring. This is the filter I use, and I use it because it is
> the best one out there, bar none.

Baloney. It isn't even close to the Mobil 1 filter. It still uses a
cardboard end cap last I knew.
http://people.msoe.edu/~yoderw/oilfi...lterstudy.html


> It also has the easy-grab end that the Purolater, Wix, and all the others
> don't, the only thing that allows me to remove filters on my car without
> renting Gumby for an hour.

I haven't changed mine yet, but my other cars have easy access for a
filter wrench. If the Hyundai doesn't, that could be a problem.


> Fram is on the cutting edge with other filters being designed for different
> applications and specified uses (read also, higher price).

Such as?


> As for the other brands, both I and my best friend (both of us in our 40's),
> have had only one oil-related failure in our long string of owned cars.
> Both were filter related. Mine was a Purolater, his was a Wix. We both now
> know better.

I'm well into my 40's also and have never had an oil filter related
failure. I did use Fram's on my 89 Acclaim until someone told me that
the lifter noise I heard at startup was due to the crappy anti-drainback
valve. I switched to AC filters and the noise went away completely. I
haven't used a Fram in the 15 years since then.

I've used ACs as they are a good filter at a very good price, at least
they were when Wal-Mart still sold them. Now that they are only
available at GM dealers, the price isn't that great anymore, however, I
was able to buy a case of them online for about $4 each and that will
probably last me until I'm ready to retire the minivan.


> You are entitled to your opinion, but please do not equate a brand that has
> survived for decades by making quality products with the equivalent of
> dumping sugar in one's gas tank.

Yes, we are all entitled to our opinions. I don't equate using Fram
filters to dumping sugar in the tank, but using the basic Fram filter
isn't far above that. There are too many other good filters on the
market for anyone to use a basic Fram. And for the price of a Tough
Guard, you can get better alternatives.

Matt