Hyundai will take blow by China competition
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Re: Hyundai will take blow by China competition
well its pretty much a direct copy of a isuzu rodeo so im not supprised.
it to scores lowsey...
"Martin Emch" <keepin@newsgroup.com> wrote in message
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> If you know german read this:
> http://www.adac.de/Tests/Crash_Tests...fault.asp?TL=2
>
> Ash wrote:
>> Hyundai made a good 5 year entrace internationally...but in 1-2
>> years...many china cars will come to international markets...will
>> hyundai go out of business? kia is only good because price is low..but
>> chinese cars even lower..
>>
>> www.chinacarforums.com
>>
>> discuss
>>
it to scores lowsey...
"Martin Emch" <keepin@newsgroup.com> wrote in message
news:43fb89de$1_2@news.bluewin.ch...
> If you know german read this:
> http://www.adac.de/Tests/Crash_Tests...fault.asp?TL=2
>
> Ash wrote:
>> Hyundai made a good 5 year entrace internationally...but in 1-2
>> years...many china cars will come to international markets...will
>> hyundai go out of business? kia is only good because price is low..but
>> chinese cars even lower..
>>
>> www.chinacarforums.com
>>
>> discuss
>>
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Re: Hyundai will take blow by China competition
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 01:19:52 GMT, Raoul <curious01720@yahoo.com> wrote:
>http://www.visionaryvehicles.com/ are the guys to look out for from
>China. They are well aware that it took Hyundai 15 years to gain
>credibility in the US. They aim to do it in 5 or less.
The company says it's trying to emulate German engineering. Big mistake!
"German quality" is nothing more than a reputation,,, a reputation no longer
deserved. Compared to Detroit Iron of the 70's and 80's, German quality
meant something. Compared to current Japanese quality, they fall far short.
German *design is fine for the most part. The cars look and perform great.
However, they tend to choose poorly suited materials to execute their
otherwise great designs. All the Chinese have to do is check the various
reliability ratings to see that Japanese vehicles would be a much smarter
model for them to emulate.
Hyundai has pumped billions into the USA economy, and I consider their cars
to be practically an American brand. I like their approach to price control,
a great part of which is a huge, super-modern, super-efficient assembly
plant.
If the Chinese do as Hyundai, I would be fine with purchasing one of their
cars (if the quality were there). However, I seriously doubt the Chinese
will produce parts or assemble in the USA. If they do, there goes the price
advantage. I think their whole reason for Chinese entry into auto
manufacturing is to capitalize on the large price advantage they could
offer.
--
Bob
>http://www.visionaryvehicles.com/ are the guys to look out for from
>China. They are well aware that it took Hyundai 15 years to gain
>credibility in the US. They aim to do it in 5 or less.
The company says it's trying to emulate German engineering. Big mistake!
"German quality" is nothing more than a reputation,,, a reputation no longer
deserved. Compared to Detroit Iron of the 70's and 80's, German quality
meant something. Compared to current Japanese quality, they fall far short.
German *design is fine for the most part. The cars look and perform great.
However, they tend to choose poorly suited materials to execute their
otherwise great designs. All the Chinese have to do is check the various
reliability ratings to see that Japanese vehicles would be a much smarter
model for them to emulate.
Hyundai has pumped billions into the USA economy, and I consider their cars
to be practically an American brand. I like their approach to price control,
a great part of which is a huge, super-modern, super-efficient assembly
plant.
If the Chinese do as Hyundai, I would be fine with purchasing one of their
cars (if the quality were there). However, I seriously doubt the Chinese
will produce parts or assemble in the USA. If they do, there goes the price
advantage. I think their whole reason for Chinese entry into auto
manufacturing is to capitalize on the large price advantage they could
offer.
--
Bob
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Re: Hyundai will take blow by China competition
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 01:19:52 GMT, Raoul <curious01720@yahoo.com> wrote:
>http://www.visionaryvehicles.com/ are the guys to look out for from
>China. They are well aware that it took Hyundai 15 years to gain
>credibility in the US. They aim to do it in 5 or less.
The company says it's trying to emulate German engineering. Big mistake!
"German quality" is nothing more than a reputation,,, a reputation no longer
deserved. Compared to Detroit Iron of the 70's and 80's, German quality
meant something. Compared to current Japanese quality, they fall far short.
German *design is fine for the most part. The cars look and perform great.
However, they tend to choose poorly suited materials to execute their
otherwise great designs. All the Chinese have to do is check the various
reliability ratings to see that Japanese vehicles would be a much smarter
model for them to emulate.
Hyundai has pumped billions into the USA economy, and I consider their cars
to be practically an American brand. I like their approach to price control,
a great part of which is a huge, super-modern, super-efficient assembly
plant.
If the Chinese do as Hyundai, I would be fine with purchasing one of their
cars (if the quality were there). However, I seriously doubt the Chinese
will produce parts or assemble in the USA. If they do, there goes the price
advantage. I think their whole reason for Chinese entry into auto
manufacturing is to capitalize on the large price advantage they could
offer.
--
Bob
>http://www.visionaryvehicles.com/ are the guys to look out for from
>China. They are well aware that it took Hyundai 15 years to gain
>credibility in the US. They aim to do it in 5 or less.
The company says it's trying to emulate German engineering. Big mistake!
"German quality" is nothing more than a reputation,,, a reputation no longer
deserved. Compared to Detroit Iron of the 70's and 80's, German quality
meant something. Compared to current Japanese quality, they fall far short.
German *design is fine for the most part. The cars look and perform great.
However, they tend to choose poorly suited materials to execute their
otherwise great designs. All the Chinese have to do is check the various
reliability ratings to see that Japanese vehicles would be a much smarter
model for them to emulate.
Hyundai has pumped billions into the USA economy, and I consider their cars
to be practically an American brand. I like their approach to price control,
a great part of which is a huge, super-modern, super-efficient assembly
plant.
If the Chinese do as Hyundai, I would be fine with purchasing one of their
cars (if the quality were there). However, I seriously doubt the Chinese
will produce parts or assemble in the USA. If they do, there goes the price
advantage. I think their whole reason for Chinese entry into auto
manufacturing is to capitalize on the large price advantage they could
offer.
--
Bob
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Re: Hyundai will take blow by China competition
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 01:19:52 GMT, Raoul <curious01720@yahoo.com> wrote:
>http://www.visionaryvehicles.com/ are the guys to look out for from
>China. They are well aware that it took Hyundai 15 years to gain
>credibility in the US. They aim to do it in 5 or less.
The company says it's trying to emulate German engineering. Big mistake!
"German quality" is nothing more than a reputation,,, a reputation no longer
deserved. Compared to Detroit Iron of the 70's and 80's, German quality
meant something. Compared to current Japanese quality, they fall far short.
German *design is fine for the most part. The cars look and perform great.
However, they tend to choose poorly suited materials to execute their
otherwise great designs. All the Chinese have to do is check the various
reliability ratings to see that Japanese vehicles would be a much smarter
model for them to emulate.
Hyundai has pumped billions into the USA economy, and I consider their cars
to be practically an American brand. I like their approach to price control,
a great part of which is a huge, super-modern, super-efficient assembly
plant.
If the Chinese do as Hyundai, I would be fine with purchasing one of their
cars (if the quality were there). However, I seriously doubt the Chinese
will produce parts or assemble in the USA. If they do, there goes the price
advantage. I think their whole reason for Chinese entry into auto
manufacturing is to capitalize on the large price advantage they could
offer.
--
Bob
>http://www.visionaryvehicles.com/ are the guys to look out for from
>China. They are well aware that it took Hyundai 15 years to gain
>credibility in the US. They aim to do it in 5 or less.
The company says it's trying to emulate German engineering. Big mistake!
"German quality" is nothing more than a reputation,,, a reputation no longer
deserved. Compared to Detroit Iron of the 70's and 80's, German quality
meant something. Compared to current Japanese quality, they fall far short.
German *design is fine for the most part. The cars look and perform great.
However, they tend to choose poorly suited materials to execute their
otherwise great designs. All the Chinese have to do is check the various
reliability ratings to see that Japanese vehicles would be a much smarter
model for them to emulate.
Hyundai has pumped billions into the USA economy, and I consider their cars
to be practically an American brand. I like their approach to price control,
a great part of which is a huge, super-modern, super-efficient assembly
plant.
If the Chinese do as Hyundai, I would be fine with purchasing one of their
cars (if the quality were there). However, I seriously doubt the Chinese
will produce parts or assemble in the USA. If they do, there goes the price
advantage. I think their whole reason for Chinese entry into auto
manufacturing is to capitalize on the large price advantage they could
offer.
--
Bob
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Re: Hyundai will take blow by China competition
On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:46:24 -0600, Bob Adkins <bobad@charter.net>
wrote:
>The company says it's trying to emulate German engineering. Big mistake!
>
>"German quality" is nothing more than a reputation,,, a reputation no longer
>deserved. Compared to Detroit Iron of the 70's and 80's, German quality
>meant something. Compared to current Japanese quality, they fall far short.
>Hyundai has pumped billions into the USA economy, and I consider their cars
>to be practically an American brand. I like their approach to price control,
>a great part of which is a huge, super-modern, super-efficient assembly
>plant.
>
>If the Chinese do as Hyundai, I would be fine with purchasing one of their
>cars (if the quality were there). However, I seriously doubt the Chinese
>will produce parts or assemble in the USA. If they do, there goes the price
>advantage. I think their whole reason for Chinese entry into auto
>manufacturing is to capitalize on the large price advantage they could
>offer.
I somewhat agree about German quality. My company produces equipment
used for quality control by every major car maker with a presence in
the USA, ranging from BMW & Mercedes to Hyundai's new plant. There is
a definite difference in how the use of our stuff is treated by
Ford/GM/Daimler-Chrysler than the three companies above. With the "Big
3" outfits, there has been vandalism to keep from having to make
measurements.
Those that buy the Chinese cars in the first couple of years will
probably have a lot of problems, but I think quality is going to
improve dramatically after the manufacturer gets hosed in the initial
reviews
wrote:
>The company says it's trying to emulate German engineering. Big mistake!
>
>"German quality" is nothing more than a reputation,,, a reputation no longer
>deserved. Compared to Detroit Iron of the 70's and 80's, German quality
>meant something. Compared to current Japanese quality, they fall far short.
>Hyundai has pumped billions into the USA economy, and I consider their cars
>to be practically an American brand. I like their approach to price control,
>a great part of which is a huge, super-modern, super-efficient assembly
>plant.
>
>If the Chinese do as Hyundai, I would be fine with purchasing one of their
>cars (if the quality were there). However, I seriously doubt the Chinese
>will produce parts or assemble in the USA. If they do, there goes the price
>advantage. I think their whole reason for Chinese entry into auto
>manufacturing is to capitalize on the large price advantage they could
>offer.
I somewhat agree about German quality. My company produces equipment
used for quality control by every major car maker with a presence in
the USA, ranging from BMW & Mercedes to Hyundai's new plant. There is
a definite difference in how the use of our stuff is treated by
Ford/GM/Daimler-Chrysler than the three companies above. With the "Big
3" outfits, there has been vandalism to keep from having to make
measurements.
Those that buy the Chinese cars in the first couple of years will
probably have a lot of problems, but I think quality is going to
improve dramatically after the manufacturer gets hosed in the initial
reviews
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Re: Hyundai will take blow by China competition
On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:46:24 -0600, Bob Adkins <bobad@charter.net>
wrote:
>The company says it's trying to emulate German engineering. Big mistake!
>
>"German quality" is nothing more than a reputation,,, a reputation no longer
>deserved. Compared to Detroit Iron of the 70's and 80's, German quality
>meant something. Compared to current Japanese quality, they fall far short.
>Hyundai has pumped billions into the USA economy, and I consider their cars
>to be practically an American brand. I like their approach to price control,
>a great part of which is a huge, super-modern, super-efficient assembly
>plant.
>
>If the Chinese do as Hyundai, I would be fine with purchasing one of their
>cars (if the quality were there). However, I seriously doubt the Chinese
>will produce parts or assemble in the USA. If they do, there goes the price
>advantage. I think their whole reason for Chinese entry into auto
>manufacturing is to capitalize on the large price advantage they could
>offer.
I somewhat agree about German quality. My company produces equipment
used for quality control by every major car maker with a presence in
the USA, ranging from BMW & Mercedes to Hyundai's new plant. There is
a definite difference in how the use of our stuff is treated by
Ford/GM/Daimler-Chrysler than the three companies above. With the "Big
3" outfits, there has been vandalism to keep from having to make
measurements.
Those that buy the Chinese cars in the first couple of years will
probably have a lot of problems, but I think quality is going to
improve dramatically after the manufacturer gets hosed in the initial
reviews
wrote:
>The company says it's trying to emulate German engineering. Big mistake!
>
>"German quality" is nothing more than a reputation,,, a reputation no longer
>deserved. Compared to Detroit Iron of the 70's and 80's, German quality
>meant something. Compared to current Japanese quality, they fall far short.
>Hyundai has pumped billions into the USA economy, and I consider their cars
>to be practically an American brand. I like their approach to price control,
>a great part of which is a huge, super-modern, super-efficient assembly
>plant.
>
>If the Chinese do as Hyundai, I would be fine with purchasing one of their
>cars (if the quality were there). However, I seriously doubt the Chinese
>will produce parts or assemble in the USA. If they do, there goes the price
>advantage. I think their whole reason for Chinese entry into auto
>manufacturing is to capitalize on the large price advantage they could
>offer.
I somewhat agree about German quality. My company produces equipment
used for quality control by every major car maker with a presence in
the USA, ranging from BMW & Mercedes to Hyundai's new plant. There is
a definite difference in how the use of our stuff is treated by
Ford/GM/Daimler-Chrysler than the three companies above. With the "Big
3" outfits, there has been vandalism to keep from having to make
measurements.
Those that buy the Chinese cars in the first couple of years will
probably have a lot of problems, but I think quality is going to
improve dramatically after the manufacturer gets hosed in the initial
reviews
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Re: Hyundai will take blow by China competition
On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:46:24 -0600, Bob Adkins <bobad@charter.net>
wrote:
>The company says it's trying to emulate German engineering. Big mistake!
>
>"German quality" is nothing more than a reputation,,, a reputation no longer
>deserved. Compared to Detroit Iron of the 70's and 80's, German quality
>meant something. Compared to current Japanese quality, they fall far short.
>Hyundai has pumped billions into the USA economy, and I consider their cars
>to be practically an American brand. I like their approach to price control,
>a great part of which is a huge, super-modern, super-efficient assembly
>plant.
>
>If the Chinese do as Hyundai, I would be fine with purchasing one of their
>cars (if the quality were there). However, I seriously doubt the Chinese
>will produce parts or assemble in the USA. If they do, there goes the price
>advantage. I think their whole reason for Chinese entry into auto
>manufacturing is to capitalize on the large price advantage they could
>offer.
I somewhat agree about German quality. My company produces equipment
used for quality control by every major car maker with a presence in
the USA, ranging from BMW & Mercedes to Hyundai's new plant. There is
a definite difference in how the use of our stuff is treated by
Ford/GM/Daimler-Chrysler than the three companies above. With the "Big
3" outfits, there has been vandalism to keep from having to make
measurements.
Those that buy the Chinese cars in the first couple of years will
probably have a lot of problems, but I think quality is going to
improve dramatically after the manufacturer gets hosed in the initial
reviews
wrote:
>The company says it's trying to emulate German engineering. Big mistake!
>
>"German quality" is nothing more than a reputation,,, a reputation no longer
>deserved. Compared to Detroit Iron of the 70's and 80's, German quality
>meant something. Compared to current Japanese quality, they fall far short.
>Hyundai has pumped billions into the USA economy, and I consider their cars
>to be practically an American brand. I like their approach to price control,
>a great part of which is a huge, super-modern, super-efficient assembly
>plant.
>
>If the Chinese do as Hyundai, I would be fine with purchasing one of their
>cars (if the quality were there). However, I seriously doubt the Chinese
>will produce parts or assemble in the USA. If they do, there goes the price
>advantage. I think their whole reason for Chinese entry into auto
>manufacturing is to capitalize on the large price advantage they could
>offer.
I somewhat agree about German quality. My company produces equipment
used for quality control by every major car maker with a presence in
the USA, ranging from BMW & Mercedes to Hyundai's new plant. There is
a definite difference in how the use of our stuff is treated by
Ford/GM/Daimler-Chrysler than the three companies above. With the "Big
3" outfits, there has been vandalism to keep from having to make
measurements.
Those that buy the Chinese cars in the first couple of years will
probably have a lot of problems, but I think quality is going to
improve dramatically after the manufacturer gets hosed in the initial
reviews
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Re: Hyundai will take blow by China competition
On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:46:24 -0600, Bob Adkins <bobad@charter.net>
wrote:
>On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 01:19:52 GMT, Raoul <curious01720@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>http://www.visionaryvehicles.com/ are the guys to look out for from
>>China. They are well aware that it took Hyundai 15 years to gain
>>credibility in the US. They aim to do it in 5 or less.
>
>The company says it's trying to emulate German engineering. Big mistake!
>
>"German quality" is nothing more than a reputation,,, a reputation no longer
>deserved. Compared to Detroit Iron of the 70's and 80's, German quality
>meant something. Compared to current Japanese quality, they fall far short.
>
Heck, "German quality" today is less than American or Korean quality
as well. BMW routinely ranks near the bottom of reliability ratings.
wrote:
>On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 01:19:52 GMT, Raoul <curious01720@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>http://www.visionaryvehicles.com/ are the guys to look out for from
>>China. They are well aware that it took Hyundai 15 years to gain
>>credibility in the US. They aim to do it in 5 or less.
>
>The company says it's trying to emulate German engineering. Big mistake!
>
>"German quality" is nothing more than a reputation,,, a reputation no longer
>deserved. Compared to Detroit Iron of the 70's and 80's, German quality
>meant something. Compared to current Japanese quality, they fall far short.
>
Heck, "German quality" today is less than American or Korean quality
as well. BMW routinely ranks near the bottom of reliability ratings.
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Re: Hyundai will take blow by China competition
On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:46:24 -0600, Bob Adkins <bobad@charter.net>
wrote:
>On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 01:19:52 GMT, Raoul <curious01720@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>http://www.visionaryvehicles.com/ are the guys to look out for from
>>China. They are well aware that it took Hyundai 15 years to gain
>>credibility in the US. They aim to do it in 5 or less.
>
>The company says it's trying to emulate German engineering. Big mistake!
>
>"German quality" is nothing more than a reputation,,, a reputation no longer
>deserved. Compared to Detroit Iron of the 70's and 80's, German quality
>meant something. Compared to current Japanese quality, they fall far short.
>
Heck, "German quality" today is less than American or Korean quality
as well. BMW routinely ranks near the bottom of reliability ratings.
wrote:
>On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 01:19:52 GMT, Raoul <curious01720@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>http://www.visionaryvehicles.com/ are the guys to look out for from
>>China. They are well aware that it took Hyundai 15 years to gain
>>credibility in the US. They aim to do it in 5 or less.
>
>The company says it's trying to emulate German engineering. Big mistake!
>
>"German quality" is nothing more than a reputation,,, a reputation no longer
>deserved. Compared to Detroit Iron of the 70's and 80's, German quality
>meant something. Compared to current Japanese quality, they fall far short.
>
Heck, "German quality" today is less than American or Korean quality
as well. BMW routinely ranks near the bottom of reliability ratings.
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Re: Hyundai will take blow by China competition
On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:46:24 -0600, Bob Adkins <bobad@charter.net>
wrote:
>On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 01:19:52 GMT, Raoul <curious01720@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>http://www.visionaryvehicles.com/ are the guys to look out for from
>>China. They are well aware that it took Hyundai 15 years to gain
>>credibility in the US. They aim to do it in 5 or less.
>
>The company says it's trying to emulate German engineering. Big mistake!
>
>"German quality" is nothing more than a reputation,,, a reputation no longer
>deserved. Compared to Detroit Iron of the 70's and 80's, German quality
>meant something. Compared to current Japanese quality, they fall far short.
>
Heck, "German quality" today is less than American or Korean quality
as well. BMW routinely ranks near the bottom of reliability ratings.
wrote:
>On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 01:19:52 GMT, Raoul <curious01720@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>http://www.visionaryvehicles.com/ are the guys to look out for from
>>China. They are well aware that it took Hyundai 15 years to gain
>>credibility in the US. They aim to do it in 5 or less.
>
>The company says it's trying to emulate German engineering. Big mistake!
>
>"German quality" is nothing more than a reputation,,, a reputation no longer
>deserved. Compared to Detroit Iron of the 70's and 80's, German quality
>meant something. Compared to current Japanese quality, they fall far short.
>
Heck, "German quality" today is less than American or Korean quality
as well. BMW routinely ranks near the bottom of reliability ratings.
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re: China to soon export cars to U.S.
The thread is an interesting discussion, and I'll be re-reading it a
couple of times.
There is a recent article in the NEW YORK TIMES business section about
a Brazilian car factory being dismantled & taken piece-by-piece to
China.
Supposedly, a $30,000 U.S. Dollars (retail?) Brazil-made/assembled car
can be sold by China for $15,000.
China either inflates its currency's value or "free trade" is
bye-byuh--something's gotta give.
The thread is an interesting discussion, and I'll be re-reading it a
couple of times.
There is a recent article in the NEW YORK TIMES business section about
a Brazilian car factory being dismantled & taken piece-by-piece to
China.
Supposedly, a $30,000 U.S. Dollars (retail?) Brazil-made/assembled car
can be sold by China for $15,000.
China either inflates its currency's value or "free trade" is
bye-byuh--something's gotta give.
Guest
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Re: Hyundai will take blow by China competition
re: China to soon export cars to U.S.
The thread is an interesting discussion, and I'll be re-reading it a
couple of times.
There is a recent article in the NEW YORK TIMES business section about
a Brazilian car factory being dismantled & taken piece-by-piece to
China.
Supposedly, a $30,000 U.S. Dollars (retail?) Brazil-made/assembled car
can be sold by China for $15,000.
China either inflates its currency's value or "free trade" is
bye-byuh--something's gotta give.
The thread is an interesting discussion, and I'll be re-reading it a
couple of times.
There is a recent article in the NEW YORK TIMES business section about
a Brazilian car factory being dismantled & taken piece-by-piece to
China.
Supposedly, a $30,000 U.S. Dollars (retail?) Brazil-made/assembled car
can be sold by China for $15,000.
China either inflates its currency's value or "free trade" is
bye-byuh--something's gotta give.
Guest
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Re: Hyundai will take blow by China competition
re: China to soon export cars to U.S.
The thread is an interesting discussion, and I'll be re-reading it a
couple of times.
There is a recent article in the NEW YORK TIMES business section about
a Brazilian car factory being dismantled & taken piece-by-piece to
China.
Supposedly, a $30,000 U.S. Dollars (retail?) Brazil-made/assembled car
can be sold by China for $15,000.
China either inflates its currency's value or "free trade" is
bye-byuh--something's gotta give.
The thread is an interesting discussion, and I'll be re-reading it a
couple of times.
There is a recent article in the NEW YORK TIMES business section about
a Brazilian car factory being dismantled & taken piece-by-piece to
China.
Supposedly, a $30,000 U.S. Dollars (retail?) Brazil-made/assembled car
can be sold by China for $15,000.
China either inflates its currency's value or "free trade" is
bye-byuh--something's gotta give.
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