Is Hyundai working on a Hybrid?
06-01-2005, 04:01 PM
#16
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Re: Is Hyundai working on a Hybrid?
Ok, my bad, I confused $2000 with two years, sorry. Here's what I
read, from Oraculations:
"Mainstream journalists are ignoring-what else is new?---- the fact
that there's another propaganda campaign being conducted by the usual
suspects to get us all to just love hybrids. Well, here's a few
negatives for you. The true long-term costs of owning a hybrid have
either been ignored or largely swept under the rug. The fact of the
matter is that it's not just the battery replacement which will run
between $2,000 and $5,000 (outside of basic warranty coverage) that
will have to be dealt with by consumers - the sub-systems in hybrids
are frightfully expensive too, and no one has even bothered to mention
that fact. As for the argument that the more hybrids there are on the
road, the more the costs to repair them will go down? Check this out:
The buyers of used hybrids will face the music of horrendous
maintenance costs. Buyers for used hybrids will be presented with a
kaleidoscope of problems, from batteries and sub-system replacement, to
the fact that seriously pricey extended warranties will be absolutely
mandatory and will have to be tacked on to the cost of ownership. What
this is going to do to the actual resale value of these used hybrids
remains to be seen, but suffice to say the true cost of hybrid
ownership is a story that's being ignored by the environmentalist
lefties in the media. Right now it looks like a hybrid that cost 25k
new will cost at least 15K in maintenance after ten years. How much
will you pay for a ten year old car? How about for a 5 year old car
that will bust you up for huge costs in five years?
Because battery replacement will cost at least $2,000 per car after
nine years of ownership; that means the older the car the more expense
the new owner will face. All existing data states that when you get on
the highway the gas mileage is worse than on compacts through many mid
size cars. In terms of mileage, diesel beats any hybrid to death right
now; 90 mpg to 40 at best.
The Left Environazis will insist on a whopper of a tax credit to
"make" people buy hybrids. The way it looks now that tax credit
will have to be around 4K. People who now own them report only modest
gasoline savings and actually higher mpg on highways.
Test results? We don't need no stinking test results....Here's one
anyway: The Seattle bus company that tested hybrids is disappointed
with their performances vs. cost analysis. Can't wait for that to
appear in a Newsweek paragraph. link "
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
read, from Oraculations:
"Mainstream journalists are ignoring-what else is new?---- the fact
that there's another propaganda campaign being conducted by the usual
suspects to get us all to just love hybrids. Well, here's a few
negatives for you. The true long-term costs of owning a hybrid have
either been ignored or largely swept under the rug. The fact of the
matter is that it's not just the battery replacement which will run
between $2,000 and $5,000 (outside of basic warranty coverage) that
will have to be dealt with by consumers - the sub-systems in hybrids
are frightfully expensive too, and no one has even bothered to mention
that fact. As for the argument that the more hybrids there are on the
road, the more the costs to repair them will go down? Check this out:
The buyers of used hybrids will face the music of horrendous
maintenance costs. Buyers for used hybrids will be presented with a
kaleidoscope of problems, from batteries and sub-system replacement, to
the fact that seriously pricey extended warranties will be absolutely
mandatory and will have to be tacked on to the cost of ownership. What
this is going to do to the actual resale value of these used hybrids
remains to be seen, but suffice to say the true cost of hybrid
ownership is a story that's being ignored by the environmentalist
lefties in the media. Right now it looks like a hybrid that cost 25k
new will cost at least 15K in maintenance after ten years. How much
will you pay for a ten year old car? How about for a 5 year old car
that will bust you up for huge costs in five years?
Because battery replacement will cost at least $2,000 per car after
nine years of ownership; that means the older the car the more expense
the new owner will face. All existing data states that when you get on
the highway the gas mileage is worse than on compacts through many mid
size cars. In terms of mileage, diesel beats any hybrid to death right
now; 90 mpg to 40 at best.
The Left Environazis will insist on a whopper of a tax credit to
"make" people buy hybrids. The way it looks now that tax credit
will have to be around 4K. People who now own them report only modest
gasoline savings and actually higher mpg on highways.
Test results? We don't need no stinking test results....Here's one
anyway: The Seattle bus company that tested hybrids is disappointed
with their performances vs. cost analysis. Can't wait for that to
appear in a Newsweek paragraph. link "
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06-01-2005, 06:19 PM
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Re: Is Hyundai working on a Hybrid?
there u go, 8 too ten yrs...
most people get rid of a car before that...
just read the fine proint about the warranty
"Xiaoding" <xiaoding2@jelly.toast.net> wrote in message
news:1117655657.996258.55180@g47g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> Here's what I found on a hybrid site:
>
> "How often do hybrid batteries need replacing? Is replacement expensive
> and disposal an environmental problem?
>
> The hybrid battery packs are designed to last for the lifetime of the
> vehicle, somewhere between 150,000 and 200,000 miles, probably a whole
> lot longer. The warranty covers the batteries for between eight and ten
> years, depending on the car maker. "
>
> I give absoloutly no creedance to these figures, I have seen marketing
> BS for too long to fall for it, ESP. in the battery business, not much
> better than used car salesmen...hey
Notice no mention if the
> warranty is transferable.
>
most people get rid of a car before that...
just read the fine proint about the warranty
"Xiaoding" <xiaoding2@jelly.toast.net> wrote in message
news:1117655657.996258.55180@g47g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> Here's what I found on a hybrid site:
>
> "How often do hybrid batteries need replacing? Is replacement expensive
> and disposal an environmental problem?
>
> The hybrid battery packs are designed to last for the lifetime of the
> vehicle, somewhere between 150,000 and 200,000 miles, probably a whole
> lot longer. The warranty covers the batteries for between eight and ten
> years, depending on the car maker. "
>
> I give absoloutly no creedance to these figures, I have seen marketing
> BS for too long to fall for it, ESP. in the battery business, not much
> better than used car salesmen...hey
Notice no mention if the> warranty is transferable.
>
06-01-2005, 06:45 PM
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Re: Is Hyundai working on a Hybrid?
the price of hybrids needs to come down by atleast 5000.00 to make them
worth while..
im leery on them for where we live cause cold kills batteries, and where I
live the temp goes low as - 50 c..
so, does that mean the batteries in a hybrid be dead or near dead in the
morning ? and batteries don't accept charge till they're fully warmed up..
so I don't think one would be very good here..
ill stick too our accent..
"Xiaoding" <xiaoding2@jelly.toast.net> wrote in message
news:1117656084.011918.181810@g47g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Ok, my bad, I confused $2000 with two years, sorry. Here's what I
> read, from Oraculations:
>
> "Mainstream journalists are ignoring-what else is new?---- the fact
> that there's another propaganda campaign being conducted by the usual
> suspects to get us all to just love hybrids. Well, here's a few
> negatives for you. The true long-term costs of owning a hybrid have
> either been ignored or largely swept under the rug. The fact of the
> matter is that it's not just the battery replacement which will run
> between $2,000 and $5,000 (outside of basic warranty coverage) that
> will have to be dealt with by consumers - the sub-systems in hybrids
> are frightfully expensive too, and no one has even bothered to mention
> that fact. As for the argument that the more hybrids there are on the
> road, the more the costs to repair them will go down? Check this out:
> The buyers of used hybrids will face the music of horrendous
> maintenance costs. Buyers for used hybrids will be presented with a
> kaleidoscope of problems, from batteries and sub-system replacement, to
> the fact that seriously pricey extended warranties will be absolutely
> mandatory and will have to be tacked on to the cost of ownership. What
> this is going to do to the actual resale value of these used hybrids
> remains to be seen, but suffice to say the true cost of hybrid
> ownership is a story that's being ignored by the environmentalist
> lefties in the media. Right now it looks like a hybrid that cost 25k
> new will cost at least 15K in maintenance after ten years. How much
> will you pay for a ten year old car? How about for a 5 year old car
> that will bust you up for huge costs in five years?
>
> Because battery replacement will cost at least $2,000 per car after
> nine years of ownership; that means the older the car the more expense
> the new owner will face. All existing data states that when you get on
> the highway the gas mileage is worse than on compacts through many mid
> size cars. In terms of mileage, diesel beats any hybrid to death right
> now; 90 mpg to 40 at best.
>
> The Left Environazis will insist on a whopper of a tax credit to
> "make" people buy hybrids. The way it looks now that tax credit
> will have to be around 4K. People who now own them report only modest
> gasoline savings and actually higher mpg on highways.
>
> Test results? We don't need no stinking test results....Here's one
> anyway: The Seattle bus company that tested hybrids is disappointed
> with their performances vs. cost analysis. Can't wait for that to
> appear in a Newsweek paragraph. link "
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
worth while..
im leery on them for where we live cause cold kills batteries, and where I
live the temp goes low as - 50 c..
so, does that mean the batteries in a hybrid be dead or near dead in the
morning ? and batteries don't accept charge till they're fully warmed up..
so I don't think one would be very good here..
ill stick too our accent..
"Xiaoding" <xiaoding2@jelly.toast.net> wrote in message
news:1117656084.011918.181810@g47g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Ok, my bad, I confused $2000 with two years, sorry. Here's what I
> read, from Oraculations:
>
> "Mainstream journalists are ignoring-what else is new?---- the fact
> that there's another propaganda campaign being conducted by the usual
> suspects to get us all to just love hybrids. Well, here's a few
> negatives for you. The true long-term costs of owning a hybrid have
> either been ignored or largely swept under the rug. The fact of the
> matter is that it's not just the battery replacement which will run
> between $2,000 and $5,000 (outside of basic warranty coverage) that
> will have to be dealt with by consumers - the sub-systems in hybrids
> are frightfully expensive too, and no one has even bothered to mention
> that fact. As for the argument that the more hybrids there are on the
> road, the more the costs to repair them will go down? Check this out:
> The buyers of used hybrids will face the music of horrendous
> maintenance costs. Buyers for used hybrids will be presented with a
> kaleidoscope of problems, from batteries and sub-system replacement, to
> the fact that seriously pricey extended warranties will be absolutely
> mandatory and will have to be tacked on to the cost of ownership. What
> this is going to do to the actual resale value of these used hybrids
> remains to be seen, but suffice to say the true cost of hybrid
> ownership is a story that's being ignored by the environmentalist
> lefties in the media. Right now it looks like a hybrid that cost 25k
> new will cost at least 15K in maintenance after ten years. How much
> will you pay for a ten year old car? How about for a 5 year old car
> that will bust you up for huge costs in five years?
>
> Because battery replacement will cost at least $2,000 per car after
> nine years of ownership; that means the older the car the more expense
> the new owner will face. All existing data states that when you get on
> the highway the gas mileage is worse than on compacts through many mid
> size cars. In terms of mileage, diesel beats any hybrid to death right
> now; 90 mpg to 40 at best.
>
> The Left Environazis will insist on a whopper of a tax credit to
> "make" people buy hybrids. The way it looks now that tax credit
> will have to be around 4K. People who now own them report only modest
> gasoline savings and actually higher mpg on highways.
>
> Test results? We don't need no stinking test results....Here's one
> anyway: The Seattle bus company that tested hybrids is disappointed
> with their performances vs. cost analysis. Can't wait for that to
> appear in a Newsweek paragraph. link "
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
06-02-2005, 01:24 AM
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Re: Is Hyundai working on a Hybrid?
They get rid of them because they have some WORTH...
They won't if the thing is worth scrap prices (or less - recycle fees)
The economy simply doesn't work out. If the car is 100% surefire trash
in 150k miles, its used value will drop like a rock compared to reliable
conventional vehicles...
Personally I wouldn't buy a mostly-dead rolling super-fund site, would you?
JS
Jody wrote:
> there u go, 8 too ten yrs...
> most people get rid of a car before that...
> just read the fine proint about the warranty
> "Xiaoding" <xiaoding2@jelly.toast.net> wrote in message
> news:1117655657.996258.55180@g47g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>
>>Here's what I found on a hybrid site:
>>
>>"How often do hybrid batteries need replacing? Is replacement expensive
>>and disposal an environmental problem?
>>
>>The hybrid battery packs are designed to last for the lifetime of the
>>vehicle, somewhere between 150,000 and 200,000 miles, probably a whole
>>lot longer. The warranty covers the batteries for between eight and ten
>>years, depending on the car maker. "
>>
>>I give absoloutly no creedance to these figures, I have seen marketing
>>BS for too long to fall for it, ESP. in the battery business, not much
>>better than used car salesmen...hey Notice no mention if the
>>warranty is transferable.
>>
>
>
>
They won't if the thing is worth scrap prices (or less - recycle fees)
The economy simply doesn't work out. If the car is 100% surefire trash
in 150k miles, its used value will drop like a rock compared to reliable
conventional vehicles...
Personally I wouldn't buy a mostly-dead rolling super-fund site, would you?
JS
Jody wrote:
> there u go, 8 too ten yrs...
> most people get rid of a car before that...
> just read the fine proint about the warranty
> "Xiaoding" <xiaoding2@jelly.toast.net> wrote in message
> news:1117655657.996258.55180@g47g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>
>>Here's what I found on a hybrid site:
>>
>>"How often do hybrid batteries need replacing? Is replacement expensive
>>and disposal an environmental problem?
>>
>>The hybrid battery packs are designed to last for the lifetime of the
>>vehicle, somewhere between 150,000 and 200,000 miles, probably a whole
>>lot longer. The warranty covers the batteries for between eight and ten
>>years, depending on the car maker. "
>>
>>I give absoloutly no creedance to these figures, I have seen marketing
>>BS for too long to fall for it, ESP. in the battery business, not much
>>better than used car salesmen...hey
Notice no mention if the>>warranty is transferable.
>>
>
>
>
06-02-2005, 05:34 AM
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Re: Is Hyundai working on a Hybrid?
<xiaoding2@jelly.toast.net> wrote in message
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> The only conspiracy going on is the hype and BS about hybrids. Spend
> 20,000 to save 2,000? Sounds good to a lot of fools parting with their
> money!
Its not just about saving money, Dingbat! You want your kids or grandkids
to be paying $10.00 or $20.00 per gal. for gas. It could happen in our
lifetimes. We need to start putting our money into technology instead of
some mid-eastern countries economy.
SuperGlide
06-02-2005, 05:39 AM
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Re: Is Hyundai working on a Hybrid?
<leesun1@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Re: Hybrid Vehicles
>
> This may be an urban legend or something similar, but there's enough
> of a "ring-of-truth" to it to make me believe there is some
> credibility to the story.
Anything this absurd "with a ring of truth," is exactly that; An urban
legend.
SuperGlide
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