Hyundais cost/car versus The Big 3 American Car Manufacturers
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Re: Hyundais cost/car versus The Big 3 American Car Manufacturers
"Bob Adkins" <bobad@charter.net> wrote in message
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>
>>If you want to pick Unions to go after it's the public employee
>>unions. They get their raises, paid benefits and more holidays than I
>>can name but the manufacturing sector get's the bill. NY is the
>>leader in this but seveal other states are not far behind.
>>manufactuing wages have been on a steady decline as jobs left but
>>government wages (direct and indirect) have been growing at more than
>>the inflation rate. The result has been taxes growng at more than the
>>inflation rate and the greying of the state as the early to mid career
>>workers leave.
>
>
> Bingo!
>
> Unfortunately, NY can't close up shop and move down South. Even if they
> could, nobody would want them.
<snipped>
I can see you've never been to Spring Hill, Florida. <g>
Just about everyone there is either from New York or Michigan, Especially
during the winter months.
Hell, at least they're not Canadians
Jack Cassidy
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Re: Hyundais cost/car versus The Big 3 American Car Manufacturers
On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 16:27:33 GMT, "Jack Cassidy"
<Jacapat2@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>"Bob Adkins" <bobad@charter.net> wrote in message
>news:16vka21uoppn52ctv4taofr7j7tbib2gb3@4ax.com.. .
>>
>>>If you want to pick Unions to go after it's the public employee
>>>unions. They get their raises, paid benefits and more holidays than I
>>>can name but the manufacturing sector get's the bill. NY is the
>>>leader in this but seveal other states are not far behind.
>>>manufactuing wages have been on a steady decline as jobs left but
>>>government wages (direct and indirect) have been growing at more than
>>>the inflation rate. The result has been taxes growng at more than the
>>>inflation rate and the greying of the state as the early to mid career
>>>workers leave.
>>
>>
>> Bingo!
>>
>> Unfortunately, NY can't close up shop and move down South. Even if they
>> could, nobody would want them.
><snipped>
>
>I can see you've never been to Spring Hill, Florida. <g>
>Just about everyone there is either from New York or Michigan, Especially
>during the winter months.
>Hell, at least they're not Canadians
>
>Jack Cassidy
that will taper off also. As the economy continues to collapse fewer
folks will be retiring from NY so they won't be going places to
"winter".
<Jacapat2@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>"Bob Adkins" <bobad@charter.net> wrote in message
>news:16vka21uoppn52ctv4taofr7j7tbib2gb3@4ax.com.. .
>>
>>>If you want to pick Unions to go after it's the public employee
>>>unions. They get their raises, paid benefits and more holidays than I
>>>can name but the manufacturing sector get's the bill. NY is the
>>>leader in this but seveal other states are not far behind.
>>>manufactuing wages have been on a steady decline as jobs left but
>>>government wages (direct and indirect) have been growing at more than
>>>the inflation rate. The result has been taxes growng at more than the
>>>inflation rate and the greying of the state as the early to mid career
>>>workers leave.
>>
>>
>> Bingo!
>>
>> Unfortunately, NY can't close up shop and move down South. Even if they
>> could, nobody would want them.
><snipped>
>
>I can see you've never been to Spring Hill, Florida. <g>
>Just about everyone there is either from New York or Michigan, Especially
>during the winter months.
>Hell, at least they're not Canadians
>
>Jack Cassidy
that will taper off also. As the economy continues to collapse fewer
folks will be retiring from NY so they won't be going places to
"winter".
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Re: Hyundais cost/car versus The Big 3 American Car Manufacturers
On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 16:27:33 GMT, "Jack Cassidy"
<Jacapat2@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>"Bob Adkins" <bobad@charter.net> wrote in message
>news:16vka21uoppn52ctv4taofr7j7tbib2gb3@4ax.com.. .
>>
>>>If you want to pick Unions to go after it's the public employee
>>>unions. They get their raises, paid benefits and more holidays than I
>>>can name but the manufacturing sector get's the bill. NY is the
>>>leader in this but seveal other states are not far behind.
>>>manufactuing wages have been on a steady decline as jobs left but
>>>government wages (direct and indirect) have been growing at more than
>>>the inflation rate. The result has been taxes growng at more than the
>>>inflation rate and the greying of the state as the early to mid career
>>>workers leave.
>>
>>
>> Bingo!
>>
>> Unfortunately, NY can't close up shop and move down South. Even if they
>> could, nobody would want them.
><snipped>
>
>I can see you've never been to Spring Hill, Florida. <g>
>Just about everyone there is either from New York or Michigan, Especially
>during the winter months.
>Hell, at least they're not Canadians
>
>Jack Cassidy
that will taper off also. As the economy continues to collapse fewer
folks will be retiring from NY so they won't be going places to
"winter".
<Jacapat2@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>"Bob Adkins" <bobad@charter.net> wrote in message
>news:16vka21uoppn52ctv4taofr7j7tbib2gb3@4ax.com.. .
>>
>>>If you want to pick Unions to go after it's the public employee
>>>unions. They get their raises, paid benefits and more holidays than I
>>>can name but the manufacturing sector get's the bill. NY is the
>>>leader in this but seveal other states are not far behind.
>>>manufactuing wages have been on a steady decline as jobs left but
>>>government wages (direct and indirect) have been growing at more than
>>>the inflation rate. The result has been taxes growng at more than the
>>>inflation rate and the greying of the state as the early to mid career
>>>workers leave.
>>
>>
>> Bingo!
>>
>> Unfortunately, NY can't close up shop and move down South. Even if they
>> could, nobody would want them.
><snipped>
>
>I can see you've never been to Spring Hill, Florida. <g>
>Just about everyone there is either from New York or Michigan, Especially
>during the winter months.
>Hell, at least they're not Canadians
>
>Jack Cassidy
that will taper off also. As the economy continues to collapse fewer
folks will be retiring from NY so they won't be going places to
"winter".
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Re: Hyundais cost/car versus The Big 3 American Car Manufacturers
On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 16:27:33 GMT, "Jack Cassidy"
<Jacapat2@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>"Bob Adkins" <bobad@charter.net> wrote in message
>news:16vka21uoppn52ctv4taofr7j7tbib2gb3@4ax.com.. .
>>
>>>If you want to pick Unions to go after it's the public employee
>>>unions. They get their raises, paid benefits and more holidays than I
>>>can name but the manufacturing sector get's the bill. NY is the
>>>leader in this but seveal other states are not far behind.
>>>manufactuing wages have been on a steady decline as jobs left but
>>>government wages (direct and indirect) have been growing at more than
>>>the inflation rate. The result has been taxes growng at more than the
>>>inflation rate and the greying of the state as the early to mid career
>>>workers leave.
>>
>>
>> Bingo!
>>
>> Unfortunately, NY can't close up shop and move down South. Even if they
>> could, nobody would want them.
><snipped>
>
>I can see you've never been to Spring Hill, Florida. <g>
>Just about everyone there is either from New York or Michigan, Especially
>during the winter months.
>Hell, at least they're not Canadians
>
>Jack Cassidy
that will taper off also. As the economy continues to collapse fewer
folks will be retiring from NY so they won't be going places to
"winter".
<Jacapat2@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>"Bob Adkins" <bobad@charter.net> wrote in message
>news:16vka21uoppn52ctv4taofr7j7tbib2gb3@4ax.com.. .
>>
>>>If you want to pick Unions to go after it's the public employee
>>>unions. They get their raises, paid benefits and more holidays than I
>>>can name but the manufacturing sector get's the bill. NY is the
>>>leader in this but seveal other states are not far behind.
>>>manufactuing wages have been on a steady decline as jobs left but
>>>government wages (direct and indirect) have been growing at more than
>>>the inflation rate. The result has been taxes growng at more than the
>>>inflation rate and the greying of the state as the early to mid career
>>>workers leave.
>>
>>
>> Bingo!
>>
>> Unfortunately, NY can't close up shop and move down South. Even if they
>> could, nobody would want them.
><snipped>
>
>I can see you've never been to Spring Hill, Florida. <g>
>Just about everyone there is either from New York or Michigan, Especially
>during the winter months.
>Hell, at least they're not Canadians
>
>Jack Cassidy
that will taper off also. As the economy continues to collapse fewer
folks will be retiring from NY so they won't be going places to
"winter".
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Re: Hyundais cost/car versus The Big 3 American Car Manufacturers
Greed is a big factor too. Often CEOs come in to "fix" companies, but in
reality just make them profitible for the short term. In the '70s US Steel
turned a healthy profit for one quarter by selling their next-generation
steel making technology to Japanese firms.... not long thereafter, Japanese
steel went from a crappy cheap alternative (used in cars like the Pintos of
the early '70s) to cheaper AND better quality than US steel.
Basically we seem to be willing to sacrifice long-term sustainable growth
for quick "get rich" returns. As a result, we are bankrupting our nation's
future. Well, most of those bastards will be dead by the time the US
collapses into a 3rd world country, so what do they care?
--
KWW
"nothermark" <nothermark@not.here> wrote in message
news:abspa21lrm1l23s0621heuumogr32f7nd5@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 16:27:33 GMT, "Jack Cassidy"
> <Jacapat2@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bob Adkins" <bobad@charter.net> wrote in message
>>news:16vka21uoppn52ctv4taofr7j7tbib2gb3@4ax.com. ..
>>>
>>>>If you want to pick Unions to go after it's the public employee
>>>>unions. They get their raises, paid benefits and more holidays than I
>>>>can name but the manufacturing sector get's the bill. NY is the
>>>>leader in this but seveal other states are not far behind.
>>>>manufactuing wages have been on a steady decline as jobs left but
>>>>government wages (direct and indirect) have been growing at more than
>>>>the inflation rate. The result has been taxes growng at more than the
>>>>inflation rate and the greying of the state as the early to mid career
>>>>workers leave.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bingo!
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, NY can't close up shop and move down South. Even if they
>>> could, nobody would want them.
>><snipped>
>>
>>I can see you've never been to Spring Hill, Florida. <g>
>>Just about everyone there is either from New York or Michigan, Especially
>>during the winter months.
>>Hell, at least they're not Canadians
>>
>>Jack Cassidy
>
> that will taper off also. As the economy continues to collapse fewer
> folks will be retiring from NY so they won't be going places to
> "winter".
reality just make them profitible for the short term. In the '70s US Steel
turned a healthy profit for one quarter by selling their next-generation
steel making technology to Japanese firms.... not long thereafter, Japanese
steel went from a crappy cheap alternative (used in cars like the Pintos of
the early '70s) to cheaper AND better quality than US steel.
Basically we seem to be willing to sacrifice long-term sustainable growth
for quick "get rich" returns. As a result, we are bankrupting our nation's
future. Well, most of those bastards will be dead by the time the US
collapses into a 3rd world country, so what do they care?
--
KWW
"nothermark" <nothermark@not.here> wrote in message
news:abspa21lrm1l23s0621heuumogr32f7nd5@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 16:27:33 GMT, "Jack Cassidy"
> <Jacapat2@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bob Adkins" <bobad@charter.net> wrote in message
>>news:16vka21uoppn52ctv4taofr7j7tbib2gb3@4ax.com. ..
>>>
>>>>If you want to pick Unions to go after it's the public employee
>>>>unions. They get their raises, paid benefits and more holidays than I
>>>>can name but the manufacturing sector get's the bill. NY is the
>>>>leader in this but seveal other states are not far behind.
>>>>manufactuing wages have been on a steady decline as jobs left but
>>>>government wages (direct and indirect) have been growing at more than
>>>>the inflation rate. The result has been taxes growng at more than the
>>>>inflation rate and the greying of the state as the early to mid career
>>>>workers leave.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bingo!
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, NY can't close up shop and move down South. Even if they
>>> could, nobody would want them.
>><snipped>
>>
>>I can see you've never been to Spring Hill, Florida. <g>
>>Just about everyone there is either from New York or Michigan, Especially
>>during the winter months.
>>Hell, at least they're not Canadians
>>
>>Jack Cassidy
>
> that will taper off also. As the economy continues to collapse fewer
> folks will be retiring from NY so they won't be going places to
> "winter".
#36
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Re: Hyundais cost/car versus The Big 3 American Car Manufacturers
Greed is a big factor too. Often CEOs come in to "fix" companies, but in
reality just make them profitible for the short term. In the '70s US Steel
turned a healthy profit for one quarter by selling their next-generation
steel making technology to Japanese firms.... not long thereafter, Japanese
steel went from a crappy cheap alternative (used in cars like the Pintos of
the early '70s) to cheaper AND better quality than US steel.
Basically we seem to be willing to sacrifice long-term sustainable growth
for quick "get rich" returns. As a result, we are bankrupting our nation's
future. Well, most of those bastards will be dead by the time the US
collapses into a 3rd world country, so what do they care?
--
KWW
"nothermark" <nothermark@not.here> wrote in message
news:abspa21lrm1l23s0621heuumogr32f7nd5@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 16:27:33 GMT, "Jack Cassidy"
> <Jacapat2@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bob Adkins" <bobad@charter.net> wrote in message
>>news:16vka21uoppn52ctv4taofr7j7tbib2gb3@4ax.com. ..
>>>
>>>>If you want to pick Unions to go after it's the public employee
>>>>unions. They get their raises, paid benefits and more holidays than I
>>>>can name but the manufacturing sector get's the bill. NY is the
>>>>leader in this but seveal other states are not far behind.
>>>>manufactuing wages have been on a steady decline as jobs left but
>>>>government wages (direct and indirect) have been growing at more than
>>>>the inflation rate. The result has been taxes growng at more than the
>>>>inflation rate and the greying of the state as the early to mid career
>>>>workers leave.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bingo!
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, NY can't close up shop and move down South. Even if they
>>> could, nobody would want them.
>><snipped>
>>
>>I can see you've never been to Spring Hill, Florida. <g>
>>Just about everyone there is either from New York or Michigan, Especially
>>during the winter months.
>>Hell, at least they're not Canadians
>>
>>Jack Cassidy
>
> that will taper off also. As the economy continues to collapse fewer
> folks will be retiring from NY so they won't be going places to
> "winter".
reality just make them profitible for the short term. In the '70s US Steel
turned a healthy profit for one quarter by selling their next-generation
steel making technology to Japanese firms.... not long thereafter, Japanese
steel went from a crappy cheap alternative (used in cars like the Pintos of
the early '70s) to cheaper AND better quality than US steel.
Basically we seem to be willing to sacrifice long-term sustainable growth
for quick "get rich" returns. As a result, we are bankrupting our nation's
future. Well, most of those bastards will be dead by the time the US
collapses into a 3rd world country, so what do they care?
--
KWW
"nothermark" <nothermark@not.here> wrote in message
news:abspa21lrm1l23s0621heuumogr32f7nd5@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 16:27:33 GMT, "Jack Cassidy"
> <Jacapat2@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bob Adkins" <bobad@charter.net> wrote in message
>>news:16vka21uoppn52ctv4taofr7j7tbib2gb3@4ax.com. ..
>>>
>>>>If you want to pick Unions to go after it's the public employee
>>>>unions. They get their raises, paid benefits and more holidays than I
>>>>can name but the manufacturing sector get's the bill. NY is the
>>>>leader in this but seveal other states are not far behind.
>>>>manufactuing wages have been on a steady decline as jobs left but
>>>>government wages (direct and indirect) have been growing at more than
>>>>the inflation rate. The result has been taxes growng at more than the
>>>>inflation rate and the greying of the state as the early to mid career
>>>>workers leave.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bingo!
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, NY can't close up shop and move down South. Even if they
>>> could, nobody would want them.
>><snipped>
>>
>>I can see you've never been to Spring Hill, Florida. <g>
>>Just about everyone there is either from New York or Michigan, Especially
>>during the winter months.
>>Hell, at least they're not Canadians
>>
>>Jack Cassidy
>
> that will taper off also. As the economy continues to collapse fewer
> folks will be retiring from NY so they won't be going places to
> "winter".
#37
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Re: Hyundais cost/car versus The Big 3 American Car Manufacturers
Greed is a big factor too. Often CEOs come in to "fix" companies, but in
reality just make them profitible for the short term. In the '70s US Steel
turned a healthy profit for one quarter by selling their next-generation
steel making technology to Japanese firms.... not long thereafter, Japanese
steel went from a crappy cheap alternative (used in cars like the Pintos of
the early '70s) to cheaper AND better quality than US steel.
Basically we seem to be willing to sacrifice long-term sustainable growth
for quick "get rich" returns. As a result, we are bankrupting our nation's
future. Well, most of those bastards will be dead by the time the US
collapses into a 3rd world country, so what do they care?
--
KWW
"nothermark" <nothermark@not.here> wrote in message
news:abspa21lrm1l23s0621heuumogr32f7nd5@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 16:27:33 GMT, "Jack Cassidy"
> <Jacapat2@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bob Adkins" <bobad@charter.net> wrote in message
>>news:16vka21uoppn52ctv4taofr7j7tbib2gb3@4ax.com. ..
>>>
>>>>If you want to pick Unions to go after it's the public employee
>>>>unions. They get their raises, paid benefits and more holidays than I
>>>>can name but the manufacturing sector get's the bill. NY is the
>>>>leader in this but seveal other states are not far behind.
>>>>manufactuing wages have been on a steady decline as jobs left but
>>>>government wages (direct and indirect) have been growing at more than
>>>>the inflation rate. The result has been taxes growng at more than the
>>>>inflation rate and the greying of the state as the early to mid career
>>>>workers leave.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bingo!
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, NY can't close up shop and move down South. Even if they
>>> could, nobody would want them.
>><snipped>
>>
>>I can see you've never been to Spring Hill, Florida. <g>
>>Just about everyone there is either from New York or Michigan, Especially
>>during the winter months.
>>Hell, at least they're not Canadians
>>
>>Jack Cassidy
>
> that will taper off also. As the economy continues to collapse fewer
> folks will be retiring from NY so they won't be going places to
> "winter".
reality just make them profitible for the short term. In the '70s US Steel
turned a healthy profit for one quarter by selling their next-generation
steel making technology to Japanese firms.... not long thereafter, Japanese
steel went from a crappy cheap alternative (used in cars like the Pintos of
the early '70s) to cheaper AND better quality than US steel.
Basically we seem to be willing to sacrifice long-term sustainable growth
for quick "get rich" returns. As a result, we are bankrupting our nation's
future. Well, most of those bastards will be dead by the time the US
collapses into a 3rd world country, so what do they care?
--
KWW
"nothermark" <nothermark@not.here> wrote in message
news:abspa21lrm1l23s0621heuumogr32f7nd5@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 16:27:33 GMT, "Jack Cassidy"
> <Jacapat2@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bob Adkins" <bobad@charter.net> wrote in message
>>news:16vka21uoppn52ctv4taofr7j7tbib2gb3@4ax.com. ..
>>>
>>>>If you want to pick Unions to go after it's the public employee
>>>>unions. They get their raises, paid benefits and more holidays than I
>>>>can name but the manufacturing sector get's the bill. NY is the
>>>>leader in this but seveal other states are not far behind.
>>>>manufactuing wages have been on a steady decline as jobs left but
>>>>government wages (direct and indirect) have been growing at more than
>>>>the inflation rate. The result has been taxes growng at more than the
>>>>inflation rate and the greying of the state as the early to mid career
>>>>workers leave.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bingo!
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, NY can't close up shop and move down South. Even if they
>>> could, nobody would want them.
>><snipped>
>>
>>I can see you've never been to Spring Hill, Florida. <g>
>>Just about everyone there is either from New York or Michigan, Especially
>>during the winter months.
>>Hell, at least they're not Canadians
>>
>>Jack Cassidy
>
> that will taper off also. As the economy continues to collapse fewer
> folks will be retiring from NY so they won't be going places to
> "winter".
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