Fred

I have a 2004 Tiburon - 4 Cyl - 5 Speed Manual - with less that 14,000 miles
that I
purchased in October of 2005. It has been driven at least 5 days a week since
I purchased it new in October of 2004.

My dealer's service manager now tells me that if I do not replace the timing
belt,
at a cost of almost $800, or $200 per year, or 6 cents per mile ... I will no
longer be covered by the 10 year, 100,000 mile warrenty.

I don't expect you to do anything about it, but my next vehicle will not be one
that expects me to spend this kind of money to retain a "Ten-Year, 100,000 mile
- Best in the industry" warrenty.

This sucks!

Mike Edwards

Fred,
Just curious. Did the Service Manager tell you why you need a new timing
belt at less than 14,000 miles?? I believe these belts should be good up
until around 70,000 miles. Possibly it's defective which might be covered
under the warranty.

Also, I think if you do some research you're going to find that NOT
replacing a timing belt, when needed, on ANY car is pretty much going to
void the warranty. I don't think Hyundai is the only one that does this.

Mike
'08 Elantra

nothermark

On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:12:35 GMT, Fred <Wilson@invalid.net> wrote:

>
>I have a 2004 Tiburon - 4 Cyl - 5 Speed Manual - with less that 14,000 miles
>that I
>purchased in October of 2005. It has been driven at least 5 days a week since
>I purchased it new in October of 2004.
>
>My dealer's service manager now tells me that if I do not replace the timing
>belt,
>at a cost of almost $800, or $200 per year, or 6 cents per mile ... I will no
>longer be covered by the 10 year, 100,000 mile warrenty.
>
>I don't expect you to do anything about it, but my next vehicle will not be one
>that expects me to spend this kind of money to retain a "Ten-Year, 100,000 mile
>- Best in the industry" warrenty.
>
>This sucks!

Welcome to the real world of timing belts. The cost sounds high but
the issue is normal. I first had it on a 1967 VW rabbit. You will
have it on any engine with a belt instead of a chain which is many, if
not most, 4 cyl engines.

Fred

Mike Edwards wrote:
>
> Fred,
> Just curious. Did the Service Manager tell you why you need a new timing
> belt at less than 14,000 miles?? I believe these belts should be good up
> until around 70,000 miles. Possibly it's defective which might be covered
> under the warranty.
>
> Also, I think if you do some research you're going to find that NOT
> replacing a timing belt, when needed, on ANY car is pretty much going to
> void the warranty. I don't think Hyundai is the only one that does this.
>
> Mike
> '08 Elantra

The manager never looked at my car.

I just asked why I had to spend $800 to replace a timing belt with less
than 14,000 miles on the vehicle.

He said I "had to replace the belt" to retain the warrenty.

Again, that sucks.

There may be another manufacturer in my future when I replace my wife's
ten-year-old Chryster 300 M ( with less than 60,000 miles on it ) next
year.

She really likes the Hyundai SUV, but now I don't have the "warm fuzzies".

Fred

nothermark wrote:
>
> On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:12:35 GMT, Fred <Wilson@invalid.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >I have a 2004 Tiburon - 4 Cyl - 5 Speed Manual - with less that 14,000 miles
> >that I
> >purchased in October of 2005. It has been driven at least 5 days a week since
> >I purchased it new in October of 2004.
> >
> >My dealer's service manager now tells me that if I do not replace the timing
> >belt,
> >at a cost of almost $800, or $200 per year, or 6 cents per mile ... I will no
> >longer be covered by the 10 year, 100,000 mile warrenty.
> >
> >I don't expect you to do anything about it, but my next vehicle will not be one
> >that expects me to spend this kind of money to retain a "Ten-Year, 100,000 mile
> >- Best in the industry" warrenty.
> >
> >This sucks!
>
> Welcome to the real world of timing belts. The cost sounds high but
> the issue is normal. I first had it on a 1967 VW rabbit. You will
> have it on any engine with a belt instead of a chain which is many, if
> not most, 4 cyl engines.


I plead stupidity.

I ( stupidly ) thought that 10-year 100,000 mile meant "10-year 100,000 miles".

I did not know ( again, my stupidity ) that I would have to spend $200 a yaer
to replace a timing belt on an engine that has less than 5000 miles a year
on it.

It still sucks!

razz

That's not right! A car with 14000 miles and is only 4 years old with normal
driving miles on the car should not and does not need a new belt. I've never
seen any vehicle, while I've been a mechanic, that needed a belt with that
kind of driving on it. Now granted it may be that the belt is defective. But
that is Hyundai, they are crooked, If you recall I had paint issues with the
door handles,and not just my car, many of the 2001 Sonata's, which was
proven there was no primer under the paint. Hyundai still would not cover
the Poor workmanship and Quality because I was 2 months over the paint
warranty.
"Fred" <Wilson@invalid.net> wrote in message
news:486A8FB0.27962FE2@invalid.net...
>
> I have a 2004 Tiburon - 4 Cyl - 5 Speed Manual - with less that 14,000
miles
> that I
> purchased in October of 2005. It has been driven at least 5 days a week
since
> I purchased it new in October of 2004.
>
> My dealer's service manager now tells me that if I do not replace the
timing
> belt,
> at a cost of almost $800, or $200 per year, or 6 cents per mile ... I
will no
> longer be covered by the 10 year, 100,000 mile warrenty.
>
> I don't expect you to do anything about it, but my next vehicle will not
be one
> that expects me to spend this kind of money to retain a "Ten-Year, 100,000
mile
> - Best in the industry" warrenty.
>
> This sucks!

Steve Richards

It's wrong. I would contact Hyundai Customer Service and report this dealer.
14k miles is way too soon. My 2002 Sonata 4banger was scheduled at 60k
intervals for the belt. yes, the warranty can be voided if "proper
maintenance" procedures aren't followed. Hyundai isn't the only one who has
this type of clause.

Regardless, Hyundai I feel is the best bang for the buck out there. I'm on
my 3rd Hyundai and haven't had a regret yet.

BTW, the 100k mile warranty begins to pro-rate after 12k miles. I found that
out after a clutch started giving me trouble at 70k on my 02 Sonata. There's
always that damn fine print!

--

2008 Sonata SE- His
2005 Grand Cherokee-Hers

AZ home for sale near Laughlin, Las Vegas, BHC:

http://www.realtor.com/realestate/go...413-1089865380

"razz" <razz@mts.net> wrote in message newsnzak.3$p_2.0@newsfe02.iad...
> That's not right! A car with 14000 miles and is only 4 years old with
> normal
> driving miles on the car should not and does not need a new belt. I've
> never
> seen any vehicle, while I've been a mechanic, that needed a belt with
> that
> kind of driving on it. Now granted it may be that the belt is defective.
> But
> that is Hyundai, they are crooked, If you recall I had paint issues with
> the
> door handles,and not just my car, many of the 2001 Sonata's, which was
> proven there was no primer under the paint. Hyundai still would not cover
> the Poor workmanship and Quality because I was 2 months over the paint
> warranty.
> "Fred" <Wilson@invalid.net> wrote in message
> news:486A8FB0.27962FE2@invalid.net...
>>
>> I have a 2004 Tiburon - 4 Cyl - 5 Speed Manual - with less that 14,000
> miles
>> that I
>> purchased in October of 2005. It has been driven at least 5 days a week
> since
>> I purchased it new in October of 2004.
>>
>> My dealer's service manager now tells me that if I do not replace the
> timing
>> belt,
>> at a cost of almost $800, or $200 per year, or 6 cents per mile ... I
> will no
>> longer be covered by the 10 year, 100,000 mile warrenty.
>>
>> I don't expect you to do anything about it, but my next vehicle will not
> be one
>> that expects me to spend this kind of money to retain a "Ten-Year,
>> 100,000
> mile
>> - Best in the industry" warrenty.
>>
>> This sucks!
>
>

Edwin Pawlowski

"Fred" <Wilson@invalid.net> wrote in message
news:486AAD98.CA12AA1F@invalid.net...

>> >My dealer's service manager now tells me that if I do not replace the
>> >timing
>> >belt,
>> >at a cost of almost $800, or $200 per year, or 6 cents per mile ... I
>> >will no
>> >longer be covered by the 10 year, 100,000 mile warrenty.
>> >
>> >I don't expect you to do anything about it, but my next vehicle will not
>> >be one
>> >that expects me to spend this kind of money to retain a "Ten-Year,
>> >100,000 mile
>> >- Best in the industry" warrenty.
>> >
>> >This sucks!
>>
>> Welcome to the real world of timing belts. The cost sounds high but
>> the issue is normal. I first had it on a 1967 VW rabbit. You will
>> have it on any engine with a belt instead of a chain which is many, if
>> not most, 4 cyl engines.
>
>
> I plead stupidity.
>
> I ( stupidly ) thought that 10-year 100,000 mile meant "10-year 100,000
> miles".
>
> I did not know ( again, my stupidity ) that I would have to spend $200 a
> yaer
> to replace a timing belt on an engine that has less than 5000 miles a year
> on it.
>
> It still sucks!

Timing belts are made of rubber compounds. The material on belts can
deteriorate with time, exposure to heat, chemical fumes, and other strains.
The belts are warranted for both a miles and time interval for that reason.

From the Gates warranty
http://www.gates.com/brochure.cfm?br...3487&go=TBHome
THE BELT MUST BE REPLACED AT THE SPECIFED INTERVAL DETERMINED BY THE BELT
MANUFACTURER AND ORIGINAL EQUIPMENT CAR MANUFACTURER. FAILURE TO DO SO MAY
RESULT IN CATASTROPHIC ENGINE DAMAGE, FOR WHICH SELLER HEREBY DISCLAIMED.

The real problem here is your failure to research and read the maintenance
schedule to see what is required. Personally, I'd not buy a car with a belt
for the reasons you cite unless I thought it was still a good deal with the
added cost. You do oil changes don't you? Filters? Most people do them
too often and never complain, but when it comes to the more expensive items,
they act surprised and horrified.

Considering that most car manufacturers don't warrant there cars for more
that 36,000 or maybe 50,000 miles, they don't give a damn if you risk
serious engine failure after 4 or 5 years.

I don't see a problem. You had choices to make when you bought the car. I
bought the Sonata that has a chain. With my driving it would be $400 a year
to replace the belt.

Ghislain

"Fred" <Wilson@invalid.net> wrote:
>
> nothermark wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:12:35 GMT, Fred <Wilson@invalid.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >I have a 2004 Tiburon - 4 Cyl - 5 Speed Manual - with less that 14,000
>> >miles
>> >that I
>> >purchased in October of 2005. It has been driven at least 5 days a week
>> >since
>> >I purchased it new in October of 2004.
>> >
>> >My dealer's service manager now tells me that if I do not replace the
>> >timing
>> >belt,
>> >at a cost of almost $800, or $200 per year, or 6 cents per mile ... I
>> >will no
>> >longer be covered by the 10 year, 100,000 mile warrenty.
>> >
>> >I don't expect you to do anything about it, but my next vehicle will not
>> >be one
>> >that expects me to spend this kind of money to retain a "Ten-Year,
>> >100,000 mile
>> >- Best in the industry" warrenty.
>> >
>> >This sucks!
>>
>> Welcome to the real world of timing belts. The cost sounds high but
>> the issue is normal. I first had it on a 1967 VW rabbit. You will
>> have it on any engine with a belt instead of a chain which is many, if
>> not most, 4 cyl engines.
>
>
> I plead stupidity.
>
> I ( stupidly ) thought that 10-year 100,000 mile meant "10-year 100,000
> miles".
>
> I did not know ( again, my stupidity ) that I would have to spend $200 a
> yaer
> to replace a timing belt on an engine that has less than 5000 miles a year
> on it.
>
> It still sucks!

I don't understand is why it's so expensive on a Tiburon. I had the timing
belt replaced on my wife's 2002 Elantra and the cost was something like
$225. Are the engines in a 4-cylinder Tiburon and the Elantra that
different?

631grant

Am I missing something, Edwin?? The guy's car has 14,000 miles on it!!!!
Not 114,000 miles. You're accusing him of all sorts of things including not
reading the maintenance schedule and being irresponsible. 14,000
Miles!!!!!!! It sounds like he went to MY dealership!!!


"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
news:mgCak.10858$cW3.6515@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
> "Fred" <Wilson@invalid.net> wrote in message
> news:486AAD98.CA12AA1F@invalid.net...
>
>>> >My dealer's service manager now tells me that if I do not replace the
>>> >timing
>>> >belt,
>>> >at a cost of almost $800, or $200 per year, or 6 cents per mile ... I
>>> >will no
>>> >longer be covered by the 10 year, 100,000 mile warrenty.
>>> >
>>> >I don't expect you to do anything about it, but my next vehicle will
>>> >not be one
>>> >that expects me to spend this kind of money to retain a "Ten-Year,
>>> >100,000 mile
>>> >- Best in the industry" warrenty.
>>> >
>>> >This sucks!
>>>
>>> Welcome to the real world of timing belts. The cost sounds high but
>>> the issue is normal. I first had it on a 1967 VW rabbit. You will
>>> have it on any engine with a belt instead of a chain which is many, if
>>> not most, 4 cyl engines.
>>
>>
>> I plead stupidity.
>>
>> I ( stupidly ) thought that 10-year 100,000 mile meant "10-year 100,000
>> miles".
>>
>> I did not know ( again, my stupidity ) that I would have to spend $200 a
>> yaer
>> to replace a timing belt on an engine that has less than 5000 miles a
>> year
>> on it.
>>
>> It still sucks!
>
> Timing belts are made of rubber compounds. The material on belts can
> deteriorate with time, exposure to heat, chemical fumes, and other
> strains. The belts are warranted for both a miles and time interval for
> that reason.
>
> From the Gates warranty
> http://www.gates.com/brochure.cfm?br...3487&go=TBHome
> THE BELT MUST BE REPLACED AT THE SPECIFED INTERVAL DETERMINED BY THE BELT
> MANUFACTURER AND ORIGINAL EQUIPMENT CAR MANUFACTURER. FAILURE TO DO SO MAY
> RESULT IN CATASTROPHIC ENGINE DAMAGE, FOR WHICH SELLER HEREBY DISCLAIMED.
>
> The real problem here is your failure to research and read the maintenance
> schedule to see what is required. Personally, I'd not buy a car with a
> belt for the reasons you cite unless I thought it was still a good deal
> with the added cost. You do oil changes don't you? Filters? Most people
> do them too often and never complain, but when it comes to the more
> expensive items, they act surprised and horrified.
>
> Considering that most car manufacturers don't warrant there cars for more
> that 36,000 or maybe 50,000 miles, they don't give a damn if you risk
> serious engine failure after 4 or 5 years.
>
> I don't see a problem. You had choices to make when you bought the car.
> I bought the Sonata that has a chain. With my driving it would be $400 a
> year to replace the belt.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Mike Marlow

"Fred" <Wilson@invalid.net> wrote in message
news:486AAC3A.ACFA7D67@invalid.net...
>
>
> Mike Edwards wrote:
>>
>> Fred,
>> Just curious. Did the Service Manager tell you why you need a new timing
>> belt at less than 14,000 miles?? I believe these belts should be good up
>> until around 70,000 miles. Possibly it's defective which might be
>> covered
>> under the warranty.
>>
>> Also, I think if you do some research you're going to find that NOT
>> replacing a timing belt, when needed, on ANY car is pretty much going to
>> void the warranty. I don't think Hyundai is the only one that does this.
>>
>> Mike
>> '08 Elantra
>
> The manager never looked at my car.
>

He doesn't need to look at your car. Timing belts on all cars that use
them, are rated for time and/or mileage, which ever comes first.

> I just asked why I had to spend $800 to replace a timing belt with less
> than 14,000 miles on the vehicle.

I thought it was 6 years or 60,000 miles on a belt, but I may be wrong on
the time. Check your owner's manual. You'll find your answer there,
regardless of what the service writer told you.

>
> He said I "had to replace the belt" to retain the warrenty.
>

It it is at the time limit then he's correct.

> Again, that sucks.

Same for any engine with a timing belt.

>
> There may be another manufacturer in my future when I replace my wife's
> ten-year-old Chryster 300 M ( with less than 60,000 miles on it ) next
> year.
>
> She really likes the Hyundai SUV, but now I don't have the "warm fuzzies".

Belts are going away as a technology. I think all of the Hyundai engines
now use timing chains. No more replacement schedule.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Edwin Pawlowski

"631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:ZvKak.15333$LL4.5002@bignews7.bellsouth.net.. .
> Am I missing something, Edwin?? The guy's car has 14,000 miles on it!!!!
> Not 114,000 miles. You're accusing him of all sorts of things including
> not
> reading the maintenance schedule and being irresponsible. 14,000
> Miles!!!!!!! It sounds like he went to MY dealership!!!
>
>

Yes, you are missing somelthing. Belts can deteriorate with time, not just
miles. The warranty and maintenance schedule are specific that the service
be done at a certain time period or miles. Yes, it sucks to have it replace
at such a low mileage so he has the option of doing it ior risking failure
and no coverage. IIRC, it is an interference engine so failer will be VERY
expensive. See below

Ed




>>
>> From the Gates warranty
>> http://www.gates.com/brochure.cfm?br...3487&go=TBHome
>> THE BELT MUST BE REPLACED AT THE SPECIFED INTERVAL DETERMINED BY THE BELT
>> MANUFACTURER AND ORIGINAL EQUIPMENT CAR MANUFACTURER. FAILURE TO DO SO
>> MAY RESULT IN CATASTROPHIC ENGINE DAMAGE, FOR WHICH SELLER HEREBY
>> DISCLAIMED.

Edwin Pawlowski

"Steve Richards" <fixmypc01@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6mBak.12304$YQ5.1087@fe103.usenetserver.com.. .
> It's wrong. I would contact Hyundai Customer Service and report this
> dealer. 14k miles is way too soon. My 2002 Sonata 4banger was scheduled at
> 60k intervals for the belt. yes, the warranty can be voided if "proper
> maintenance" procedures aren't followed. Hyundai isn't the only one who
> has this type of clause.
>

Why is it wrong? Miles (engine use) is one factor, but time is another.
Yes, the belt may last for another 10 or 20 years, but it may go tomorrow.
If the maintenance schedule gives a time limit, it must be followed or you
risk losing the warranty. You have a choice to make. Don't take my word
for it, read the book.

631grant

Admittedly, you might be right on the 'time limit'. I don't have one of
those so I don't know what time limit is placed on the belt. They might
have him on a technicality but I would shop around for a better price and
also inspect the belt, if it can be gotten at easily.


"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
news:I6Lak.580$vn7.563@flpi147.ffdc.sbc.com...
>
> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:ZvKak.15333$LL4.5002@bignews7.bellsouth.net.. .
>> Am I missing something, Edwin?? The guy's car has 14,000 miles on it!!!!
>> Not 114,000 miles. You're accusing him of all sorts of things including
>> not
>> reading the maintenance schedule and being irresponsible. 14,000
>> Miles!!!!!!! It sounds like he went to MY dealership!!!
>>
>>
>
> Yes, you are missing somelthing. Belts can deteriorate with time, not
> just miles. The warranty and maintenance schedule are specific that the
> service be done at a certain time period or miles. Yes, it sucks to have
> it replace at such a low mileage so he has the option of doing it ior
> risking failure and no coverage. IIRC, it is an interference engine so
> failer will be VERY expensive. See below
>
> Ed
>
>
>
>
>>>
>>> From the Gates warranty
>>> http://www.gates.com/brochure.cfm?br...3487&go=TBHome
>>> THE BELT MUST BE REPLACED AT THE SPECIFED INTERVAL DETERMINED BY THE
>>> BELT MANUFACTURER AND ORIGINAL EQUIPMENT CAR MANUFACTURER. FAILURE TO DO
>>> SO MAY RESULT IN CATASTROPHIC ENGINE DAMAGE, FOR WHICH SELLER HEREBY
>>> DISCLAIMED.
>
>
>

631grant

Fred, in your service many what is the TIME PERIOD that is required for the
timing belt replacement? Solve the mystery so we can move on.


"Fred" <Wilson@invalid.net> wrote in message
news:486A8FB0.27962FE2@invalid.net...
>
> I have a 2004 Tiburon - 4 Cyl - 5 Speed Manual - with less that 14,000
> miles
> that I
> purchased in October of 2005. It has been driven at least 5 days a week
> since
> I purchased it new in October of 2004.
>
> My dealer's service manager now tells me that if I do not replace the
> timing
> belt,
> at a cost of almost $800, or $200 per year, or 6 cents per mile ... I
> will no
> longer be covered by the 10 year, 100,000 mile warrenty.
>
> I don't expect you to do anything about it, but my next vehicle will not
> be one
> that expects me to spend this kind of money to retain a "Ten-Year, 100,000
> mile
> - Best in the industry" warrenty.
>
> This sucks!