K&N Air Filters
09-09-2007, 10:13 PM
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Re: K&N Air Filters
"Edgar MacArthur" <edgarmac@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> I've been thinking about installing one of these in my 07 Santa Fe 3.3L.
> Are they worth the extra cost? I've read that there is a noticeable
> increase in performance, and maybe gas mileage. Any problem with the
> Hyundai warranty?
This question comes up quite frequently in all auto newsgroups. DAGS and
you will find a lot of both opinion and experience on the matter of K&N. I
think you will find it sums in favor of staying with your vehicle's OEM type
filter. K&N gets the good in its reputation from the openness of the filter
media - and the bad in its reputation.
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09-10-2007, 08:38 AM
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Re: K&N Air Filters
>I've been thinking about installing one of these in my 07 Santa Fe 3.3L.
>Are they worth the extra cost? I've read that there is a noticeable
>increase in performance, and maybe gas mileage. Any problem with the
>Hyundai warranty?
Yeah, there's two camps on this debate. One says the performance
increase is worth it. The increases airflow lets in more garbage so
you're either maintaining the filter more frequently or you're getting
more but dirtier air in your intake. Stick with the kind you've got,
it's cheaper over the long term.
- Thee Chicago Wolf
>Are they worth the extra cost? I've read that there is a noticeable
>increase in performance, and maybe gas mileage. Any problem with the
>Hyundai warranty?
Yeah, there's two camps on this debate. One says the performance
increase is worth it. The increases airflow lets in more garbage so
you're either maintaining the filter more frequently or you're getting
more but dirtier air in your intake. Stick with the kind you've got,
it's cheaper over the long term.
- Thee Chicago Wolf
09-10-2007, 12:36 PM
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Re: K&N Air Filters
If this would be an oiled filter, there's also speculation that the oil can
get on the air flow sensor and damage it. If you had an oiled filter on
the car and needed an air flow sensor, you might see the manufacturer
refuse warranty service. You may also have a potential problem with the
engine warranty, depending on the type of engine failure. A valve sealing
issue or cylinder abrasion issue may be able to be blamed on the filter.
I'm in the keep it factory camp myself.
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get on the air flow sensor and damage it. If you had an oiled filter on
the car and needed an air flow sensor, you might see the manufacturer
refuse warranty service. You may also have a potential problem with the
engine warranty, depending on the type of engine failure. A valve sealing
issue or cylinder abrasion issue may be able to be blamed on the filter.
I'm in the keep it factory camp myself.
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09-10-2007, 08:26 PM
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Re: K&N Air Filters
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 01:57:54 GMT, Edgar MacArthur
<edgarmac@verizon.net> wrote:
>I've been thinking about installing one of these in my 07 Santa Fe 3.3L.
>Are they worth the extra cost? I've read that there is a noticeable
>increase in performance, and maybe gas mileage. Any problem with the
>Hyundai warranty?
Ed,
If you have a fire breathing 400hp engine and push it hard, you may
notice a difference in power and gas mileage using a K&N. Anything you
would notice with a mild family SUV driving normally is probably
placebo effect.
Conversely, the stock filter on your Santa Fe would probably handle a
300hp engine with no measurable reduction in mileage or performance
until it gets very dirty.
The above is my humble opinion. I may be wrong, but I bet I'm very
close.
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Bob
<edgarmac@verizon.net> wrote:
>I've been thinking about installing one of these in my 07 Santa Fe 3.3L.
>Are they worth the extra cost? I've read that there is a noticeable
>increase in performance, and maybe gas mileage. Any problem with the
>Hyundai warranty?
Ed,
If you have a fire breathing 400hp engine and push it hard, you may
notice a difference in power and gas mileage using a K&N. Anything you
would notice with a mild family SUV driving normally is probably
placebo effect.
Conversely, the stock filter on your Santa Fe would probably handle a
300hp engine with no measurable reduction in mileage or performance
until it gets very dirty.
The above is my humble opinion. I may be wrong, but I bet I'm very
close.
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Bob
09-11-2007, 03:48 AM
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K&N filters work in racing, but consider that race engines have to
last a couple hundred miles at best, and then the air filter is thrown
away and the entire engine is usually torn down and rebuilt. Any
damage from the air filter not filtering is negated.
Compare to a typical family car, where the filter stays put for a year
or worse and is expected to last tens of thousands of miles.
The same can be said of other parts used for racing: oil, wires,
tires, etc. There are some things so specialized in what they do that
they simply don't belong on everyday cars, no matter how much the
advertising wants to tell you otherwise.
On Sep 9, 9:57 pm, Edgar MacArthur <edgar...@verizon.net> wrote:
> I've been thinking about installing one of these in my 07 Santa Fe 3.3L.
> Are they worth the extra cost? I've read that there is a noticeable
> increase in performance, and maybe gas mileage. Any problem with the
> Hyundai warranty?
last a couple hundred miles at best, and then the air filter is thrown
away and the entire engine is usually torn down and rebuilt. Any
damage from the air filter not filtering is negated.
Compare to a typical family car, where the filter stays put for a year
or worse and is expected to last tens of thousands of miles.
The same can be said of other parts used for racing: oil, wires,
tires, etc. There are some things so specialized in what they do that
they simply don't belong on everyday cars, no matter how much the
advertising wants to tell you otherwise.
On Sep 9, 9:57 pm, Edgar MacArthur <edgar...@verizon.net> wrote:
> I've been thinking about installing one of these in my 07 Santa Fe 3.3L.
> Are they worth the extra cost? I've read that there is a noticeable
> increase in performance, and maybe gas mileage. Any problem with the
> Hyundai warranty?
09-11-2007, 06:49 AM
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PMDR wrote:
> K&N filters work in racing, but consider that race engines have to
> last a couple hundred miles at best, and then the air filter is thrown
> away and the entire engine is usually torn down and rebuilt. Any
> damage from the air filter not filtering is negated.
>
> Compare to a typical family car, where the filter stays put for a year
> or worse and is expected to last tens of thousands of miles.
>
> The same can be said of other parts used for racing: oil, wires,
> tires, etc. There are some things so specialized in what they do that
> they simply don't belong on everyday cars, no matter how much the
> advertising wants to tell you otherwise.
Yes, try racing slicks in a heavy rain... :-)
Matt
> K&N filters work in racing, but consider that race engines have to
> last a couple hundred miles at best, and then the air filter is thrown
> away and the entire engine is usually torn down and rebuilt. Any
> damage from the air filter not filtering is negated.
>
> Compare to a typical family car, where the filter stays put for a year
> or worse and is expected to last tens of thousands of miles.
>
> The same can be said of other parts used for racing: oil, wires,
> tires, etc. There are some things so specialized in what they do that
> they simply don't belong on everyday cars, no matter how much the
> advertising wants to tell you otherwise.
Yes, try racing slicks in a heavy rain... :-)
Matt
09-11-2007, 07:06 AM
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Reply to message from Edgar MacArthur <edgarmac@verizon.net> (Sun, 09 Sep
2007 20:57:54) about "K&N Air Filters":
EM> I've been thinking about installing one of these in my 07 Santa Fe 3.
EM> 3L. Are they worth the extra cost?
Depends on how long you keep the Santa Fe. If you keep it for the million
miles of the filter warranty it should be cheaper than the cost of all the
paper frlters you did not have to buy. AAMOF I think that the payoff would
come even before 1 million.
EM> I've read
EM> that there is a noticeable increase in performance, and maybe gas
EM> mileage. Any problem with the Hyundai warranty?
There is a slight bit of a performance improvement and no change in gas
mileage.
I have had K&N filters in my 2002 Elantra GT, 2005 Tiburon GT (which now
has a cold air intake), 1996 Dodge Grand Caravan 3.8l, and a K&N Typhoon
SRI in my 2003 Mitsubishi Lancer and all have had the results in the
previous paragraph.
Regards
Wayne Moses <wayne.moses@comcast.net> Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:42:26 -0500
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EM> I've been thinking about installing one of these in my 07 Santa Fe 3.
EM> 3L. Are they worth the extra cost?
Depends on how long you keep the Santa Fe. If you keep it for the million
miles of the filter warranty it should be cheaper than the cost of all the
paper frlters you did not have to buy. AAMOF I think that the payoff would
come even before 1 million.
EM> I've read
EM> that there is a noticeable increase in performance, and maybe gas
EM> mileage. Any problem with the Hyundai warranty?
There is a slight bit of a performance improvement and no change in gas
mileage.
I have had K&N filters in my 2002 Elantra GT, 2005 Tiburon GT (which now
has a cold air intake), 1996 Dodge Grand Caravan 3.8l, and a K&N Typhoon
SRI in my 2003 Mitsubishi Lancer and all have had the results in the
previous paragraph.
Regards
Wayne Moses <wayne.moses@comcast.net> Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:42:26 -0500
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09-12-2007, 07:16 AM
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Reply to message from "hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> (Mon, 10 Sep
2007 11:36:15) about "Re: K&N Air Filters":
h> If this would be an oiled filter, there's also speculation that the oil
h> can get on the air flow sensor and damage it.
I have followed the instructions for oiling my filters and found the
instructions sensible in that they appropriately caution against overdoing
it. If properly done there is no likelihood for oil to leave the filter
material and blow into the air stream in a naturally aspirated engine.
Personally, I have never seen evidence of oil or oily dust downstream from
the filter.
Just my experiences.
Regards
Wayne Moses <wayne.moses@comcast.net> Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:00:13 -0500
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2007 11:36:15) about "Re: K&N Air Filters":
h> If this would be an oiled filter, there's also speculation that the oil
h> can get on the air flow sensor and damage it.
I have followed the instructions for oiling my filters and found the
instructions sensible in that they appropriately caution against overdoing
it. If properly done there is no likelihood for oil to leave the filter
material and blow into the air stream in a naturally aspirated engine.
Personally, I have never seen evidence of oil or oily dust downstream from
the filter.
Just my experiences.
Regards
Wayne Moses <wayne.moses@comcast.net> Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:00:13 -0500
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09-16-2007, 10:42 PM
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Re: K&N Air Filters
Edgar MacArthur wrote:
> I've been thinking about installing one of these in my 07 Santa Fe 3.3L.
> Are they worth the extra cost? I've read that there is a noticeable
> increase in performance, and maybe gas mileage. Any problem with the
> Hyundai warranty?
A lot of engineering has gone into the designing the stock filter that
comes with the vehicle. It works great, a compromise between
unrestricted airflow and filtering ability. I doubt a K&N filter will
give any noticeable difference in performance and it just may be
detrimental (MAF sensor etc..) If it's less restrictive, it filters less
efficiently. You save gas, your engine wears out quicker.
Save your money for some Amsoil (just kidding).
And yes, Hyundai could very well deny warranty coverage.
> I've been thinking about installing one of these in my 07 Santa Fe 3.3L.
> Are they worth the extra cost? I've read that there is a noticeable
> increase in performance, and maybe gas mileage. Any problem with the
> Hyundai warranty?
A lot of engineering has gone into the designing the stock filter that
comes with the vehicle. It works great, a compromise between
unrestricted airflow and filtering ability. I doubt a K&N filter will
give any noticeable difference in performance and it just may be
detrimental (MAF sensor etc..) If it's less restrictive, it filters less
efficiently. You save gas, your engine wears out quicker.
Save your money for some Amsoil (just kidding).
And yes, Hyundai could very well deny warranty coverage.
09-20-2007, 03:09 PM
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On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:42:33 -0700, Bob <fweem1974@yahoo.com> wrote:
>A lot of engineering has gone into the designing the stock filter that
>comes with the vehicle. It works great, a compromise between
>unrestricted airflow and filtering ability. I doubt a K&N filter will
>give any noticeable difference in performance and it just may be
>detrimental (MAF sensor etc..) If it's less restrictive, it filters less
>efficiently. You save gas, your engine wears out quicker.
>
>Save your money for some Amsoil (just kidding).
You got me! I was just about to jump in with both feet until I read
the "just kidding" part.
It never ceases to astonish me that very smart people fall for snake
oil.
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Bob
>A lot of engineering has gone into the designing the stock filter that
>comes with the vehicle. It works great, a compromise between
>unrestricted airflow and filtering ability. I doubt a K&N filter will
>give any noticeable difference in performance and it just may be
>detrimental (MAF sensor etc..) If it's less restrictive, it filters less
>efficiently. You save gas, your engine wears out quicker.
>
>Save your money for some Amsoil (just kidding).
You got me! I was just about to jump in with both feet until I read
the "just kidding" part.
It never ceases to astonish me that very smart people fall for snake
oil.
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Bob
09-23-2007, 09:46 AM
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"Bob Adkins" <bob@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:42:33 -0700, Bob <fweem1974@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Save your money for some Amsoil (just kidding).
>
> You got me! I was just about to jump in with both feet until I read
> the "just kidding" part.
>
> It never ceases to astonish me that very smart people fall for snake
> oil.
>
I kinda wondered if that's what they made it out of ; >)
09-27-2007, 05:49 AM
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"Michael Shaffer" <someguy@home.net> wrote in message
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>> Save your money for some Amsoil (just kidding).
>
>
> I'm currently using Amsoil Transmission fluid and am much more satisfied
> with it than the OEM.
What is different or what makes it "better" than the OEM? What do you
notice being different while cruising down the highway?