Kiran Otter

I got some LED replacement lamps for the turn signals, but of course now
they flash fast due to the change in load.

I was curious if anyone knew of a replacement, plug-n-play flasher/relay to
replace the stock one.

I found this site with a few, but I haven't been able to determine which is
right for the Sonata.

Thanks,

Kiran

Kiran Otter

Kiran Otter <kiranotter@gmail.com> wrote in
news:Xns9833748939AA2feedtunamayo@216.77.188.18:

> I got some LED replacement lamps for the turn signals, but of course
> now they flash fast due to the change in load.
>
> I was curious if anyone knew of a replacement, plug-n-play
> flasher/relay to replace the stock one.
>
> I found this site with a few, but I haven't been able to determine
> which is right for the Sonata.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kiran
>

Oops, forgot the URL to the site: http://autolumination.com/equalizers.htm

Kiran Otter

Kiran Otter <kiranotter@gmail.com> wrote in
news:Xns9833748939AA2feedtunamayo@216.77.188.18:

> I got some LED replacement lamps for the turn signals, but of course
> now they flash fast due to the change in load.
>
> I was curious if anyone knew of a replacement, plug-n-play
> flasher/relay to replace the stock one.
>
> I found this site with a few, but I haven't been able to determine
> which is right for the Sonata.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kiran
>

Oops, forgot the URL to the site: http://autolumination.com/equalizers.htm

Bob

"Kiran Otter" <kiranotter@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Kiran Otter <kiranotter@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:Xns9833748939AA2feedtunamayo@216.77.188.18:
>
>> I got some LED replacement lamps for the turn signals, but of course
>> now they flash fast due to the change in load.
>>
>> I was curious if anyone knew of a replacement, plug-n-play
>> flasher/relay to replace the stock one.
>>
>> I found this site with a few, but I haven't been able to determine
>> which is right for the Sonata.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Kiran
>>
>
> Oops, forgot the URL to the site: http://autolumination.com/equalizers.htm

Something to be acutely aware of when replacing standard lamps with LEDs is
that if someone hits you - even a rear end collision - it will likely be
chargeable against you if the person points out that your rear lights
weren't working correctly, and it gets looked into. Every LED replacement
lamp I have looked at says "for off road use only". There's a good reason
for this, and it's because the reflector assembly is designed for the light
pattern emitted by the specified lamp. The brake, etc. lamps on vehicles
that come from the factory with LEDs are designed for DOT specified
photometry using LEDs. Nowhere on that page that you provided did it say
that the LED replacement lamps were DOT approved. Also, changing the flasher
from the factory one that is indicating a failed lamp because of the lack of
load is a bad idea, as you will be eliminating another safety function that
is supposed to warn you that something is wrong with your turn signals.

Bob

"Kiran Otter" <kiranotter@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9833BCCD91739feedtunamayo@216.77.188.18...
> Kiran Otter <kiranotter@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:Xns9833748939AA2feedtunamayo@216.77.188.18:
>
>> I got some LED replacement lamps for the turn signals, but of course
>> now they flash fast due to the change in load.
>>
>> I was curious if anyone knew of a replacement, plug-n-play
>> flasher/relay to replace the stock one.
>>
>> I found this site with a few, but I haven't been able to determine
>> which is right for the Sonata.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Kiran
>>
>
> Oops, forgot the URL to the site: http://autolumination.com/equalizers.htm

Something to be acutely aware of when replacing standard lamps with LEDs is
that if someone hits you - even a rear end collision - it will likely be
chargeable against you if the person points out that your rear lights
weren't working correctly, and it gets looked into. Every LED replacement
lamp I have looked at says "for off road use only". There's a good reason
for this, and it's because the reflector assembly is designed for the light
pattern emitted by the specified lamp. The brake, etc. lamps on vehicles
that come from the factory with LEDs are designed for DOT specified
photometry using LEDs. Nowhere on that page that you provided did it say
that the LED replacement lamps were DOT approved. Also, changing the flasher
from the factory one that is indicating a failed lamp because of the lack of
load is a bad idea, as you will be eliminating another safety function that
is supposed to warn you that something is wrong with your turn signals.

Mike Marlow

"Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:2xOKg.27960$y7.1215@bignews6.bellsouth.net...

> Something to be acutely aware of when replacing standard lamps with LEDs
is
> that if someone hits you - even a rear end collision - it will likely be
> chargeable against you if the person points out that your rear lights
> weren't working correctly, and it gets looked into. Every LED replacement
> lamp I have looked at says "for off road use only". There's a good reason
> for this, and it's because the reflector assembly is designed for the
light
> pattern emitted by the specified lamp. The brake, etc. lamps on vehicles
> that come from the factory with LEDs are designed for DOT specified
> photometry using LEDs. Nowhere on that page that you provided did it say
> that the LED replacement lamps were DOT approved. Also, changing the
flasher
> from the factory one that is indicating a failed lamp because of the lack
of
> load is a bad idea, as you will be eliminating another safety function
that
> is supposed to warn you that something is wrong with your turn signals.
>
>

Agreed that the replacement tail lamps need to meet DOT specs Bob, but the
flasher point is way off base. The flasher is not a circuit safety device.
It's simply a load sensative device that will open and close. It is common
to have to replace flashers when putting towing harnesses on, etc.
Notwhithstanding the DOT issues, there is no problem with changing a flasher
to match a different light package.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Mike Marlow

"Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:2xOKg.27960$y7.1215@bignews6.bellsouth.net...

> Something to be acutely aware of when replacing standard lamps with LEDs
is
> that if someone hits you - even a rear end collision - it will likely be
> chargeable against you if the person points out that your rear lights
> weren't working correctly, and it gets looked into. Every LED replacement
> lamp I have looked at says "for off road use only". There's a good reason
> for this, and it's because the reflector assembly is designed for the
light
> pattern emitted by the specified lamp. The brake, etc. lamps on vehicles
> that come from the factory with LEDs are designed for DOT specified
> photometry using LEDs. Nowhere on that page that you provided did it say
> that the LED replacement lamps were DOT approved. Also, changing the
flasher
> from the factory one that is indicating a failed lamp because of the lack
of
> load is a bad idea, as you will be eliminating another safety function
that
> is supposed to warn you that something is wrong with your turn signals.
>
>

Agreed that the replacement tail lamps need to meet DOT specs Bob, but the
flasher point is way off base. The flasher is not a circuit safety device.
It's simply a load sensative device that will open and close. It is common
to have to replace flashers when putting towing harnesses on, etc.
Notwhithstanding the DOT issues, there is no problem with changing a flasher
to match a different light package.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

JohnR66

Checkout www.superbrightleds.com They state that the LEDs are not as bright
and will not work with the flasher. They sell a flasher unit that will work
with them. They recommend the Luxeon LED as it can be as bright as the
incandescent bulb.
John

"Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Kiran Otter" <kiranotter@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9833BCCD91739feedtunamayo@216.77.188.18...
>> Kiran Otter <kiranotter@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:Xns9833748939AA2feedtunamayo@216.77.188.18:
>>
>>> I got some LED replacement lamps for the turn signals, but of course
>>> now they flash fast due to the change in load.
>>>
>>> I was curious if anyone knew of a replacement, plug-n-play
>>> flasher/relay to replace the stock one.
>>>
>>> I found this site with a few, but I haven't been able to determine
>>> which is right for the Sonata.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Kiran
>>>
>>
>> Oops, forgot the URL to the site:
>> http://autolumination.com/equalizers.htm
>
> Something to be acutely aware of when replacing standard lamps with LEDs
> is that if someone hits you - even a rear end collision - it will likely
> be chargeable against you if the person points out that your rear lights
> weren't working correctly, and it gets looked into. Every LED replacement
> lamp I have looked at says "for off road use only". There's a good reason
> for this, and it's because the reflector assembly is designed for the
> light pattern emitted by the specified lamp. The brake, etc. lamps on
> vehicles that come from the factory with LEDs are designed for DOT
> specified photometry using LEDs. Nowhere on that page that you provided
> did it say that the LED replacement lamps were DOT approved. Also,
> changing the flasher from the factory one that is indicating a failed lamp
> because of the lack of load is a bad idea, as you will be eliminating
> another safety function that is supposed to warn you that something is
> wrong with your turn signals.
>

JohnR66

Checkout www.superbrightleds.com They state that the LEDs are not as bright
and will not work with the flasher. They sell a flasher unit that will work
with them. They recommend the Luxeon LED as it can be as bright as the
incandescent bulb.
John

"Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Kiran Otter" <kiranotter@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9833BCCD91739feedtunamayo@216.77.188.18...
>> Kiran Otter <kiranotter@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:Xns9833748939AA2feedtunamayo@216.77.188.18:
>>
>>> I got some LED replacement lamps for the turn signals, but of course
>>> now they flash fast due to the change in load.
>>>
>>> I was curious if anyone knew of a replacement, plug-n-play
>>> flasher/relay to replace the stock one.
>>>
>>> I found this site with a few, but I haven't been able to determine
>>> which is right for the Sonata.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Kiran
>>>
>>
>> Oops, forgot the URL to the site:
>> http://autolumination.com/equalizers.htm
>
> Something to be acutely aware of when replacing standard lamps with LEDs
> is that if someone hits you - even a rear end collision - it will likely
> be chargeable against you if the person points out that your rear lights
> weren't working correctly, and it gets looked into. Every LED replacement
> lamp I have looked at says "for off road use only". There's a good reason
> for this, and it's because the reflector assembly is designed for the
> light pattern emitted by the specified lamp. The brake, etc. lamps on
> vehicles that come from the factory with LEDs are designed for DOT
> specified photometry using LEDs. Nowhere on that page that you provided
> did it say that the LED replacement lamps were DOT approved. Also,
> changing the flasher from the factory one that is indicating a failed lamp
> because of the lack of load is a bad idea, as you will be eliminating
> another safety function that is supposed to warn you that something is
> wrong with your turn signals.
>

Bob

"Mike Marlow" <mmarlow@alltel.net> wrote in message
news:a0784$44fc07f1$471fbb8f$23637@ALLTEL.NET...
>
> "Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:2xOKg.27960$y7.1215@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>
>> Something to be acutely aware of when replacing standard lamps with LEDs
> is
>> that if someone hits you - even a rear end collision - it will likely be
>> chargeable against you if the person points out that your rear lights
>> weren't working correctly, and it gets looked into. Every LED replacement
>> lamp I have looked at says "for off road use only". There's a good reason
>> for this, and it's because the reflector assembly is designed for the
> light
>> pattern emitted by the specified lamp. The brake, etc. lamps on vehicles
>> that come from the factory with LEDs are designed for DOT specified
>> photometry using LEDs. Nowhere on that page that you provided did it say
>> that the LED replacement lamps were DOT approved. Also, changing the
> flasher
>> from the factory one that is indicating a failed lamp because of the lack
> of
>> load is a bad idea, as you will be eliminating another safety function
> that
>> is supposed to warn you that something is wrong with your turn signals.
>>
>>
>
> Agreed that the replacement tail lamps need to meet DOT specs Bob, but the
> flasher point is way off base. The flasher is not a circuit safety
> device.
> It's simply a load sensative device that will open and close. It is
> common
> to have to replace flashers when putting towing harnesses on, etc.
> Notwhithstanding the DOT issues, there is no problem with changing a
> flasher
> to match a different light package.
>

Changing the flasher to accommodate the additional load imposed by trailer
lamps is reasonable, and legal. Changing the flasher to a non compliant unit
to accommodate a non-standard set of lights that do not meet the photometry
requirements is a bad idea.

I understand the purpose of the flasher, and I did not say it is a "circuit
safety device". I said it performs "safety function that is supposed to
warn you that something is wrong with your turn signals", and that it is.

The flasher is doing what it is designed, and required to do - indicating a
problem with the turn signals. In this case, the problem is that the wrong
lamps are in the sockets. Depending on what LED replacement lamps he has
installed, there may be serious visibility issues. That "group of LEDs"
thing that Auto Zone sells shows up as nothing more than a 1.5 inch blob of
light. There is no light directed to the reflector. Some of the others that
are on the web page he mentioned seem like they might be better, but I
haven't seen them.

Bob

"Mike Marlow" <mmarlow@alltel.net> wrote in message
news:a0784$44fc07f1$471fbb8f$23637@ALLTEL.NET...
>
> "Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:2xOKg.27960$y7.1215@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>
>> Something to be acutely aware of when replacing standard lamps with LEDs
> is
>> that if someone hits you - even a rear end collision - it will likely be
>> chargeable against you if the person points out that your rear lights
>> weren't working correctly, and it gets looked into. Every LED replacement
>> lamp I have looked at says "for off road use only". There's a good reason
>> for this, and it's because the reflector assembly is designed for the
> light
>> pattern emitted by the specified lamp. The brake, etc. lamps on vehicles
>> that come from the factory with LEDs are designed for DOT specified
>> photometry using LEDs. Nowhere on that page that you provided did it say
>> that the LED replacement lamps were DOT approved. Also, changing the
> flasher
>> from the factory one that is indicating a failed lamp because of the lack
> of
>> load is a bad idea, as you will be eliminating another safety function
> that
>> is supposed to warn you that something is wrong with your turn signals.
>>
>>
>
> Agreed that the replacement tail lamps need to meet DOT specs Bob, but the
> flasher point is way off base. The flasher is not a circuit safety
> device.
> It's simply a load sensative device that will open and close. It is
> common
> to have to replace flashers when putting towing harnesses on, etc.
> Notwhithstanding the DOT issues, there is no problem with changing a
> flasher
> to match a different light package.
>

Changing the flasher to accommodate the additional load imposed by trailer
lamps is reasonable, and legal. Changing the flasher to a non compliant unit
to accommodate a non-standard set of lights that do not meet the photometry
requirements is a bad idea.

I understand the purpose of the flasher, and I did not say it is a "circuit
safety device". I said it performs "safety function that is supposed to
warn you that something is wrong with your turn signals", and that it is.

The flasher is doing what it is designed, and required to do - indicating a
problem with the turn signals. In this case, the problem is that the wrong
lamps are in the sockets. Depending on what LED replacement lamps he has
installed, there may be serious visibility issues. That "group of LEDs"
thing that Auto Zone sells shows up as nothing more than a 1.5 inch blob of
light. There is no light directed to the reflector. Some of the others that
are on the web page he mentioned seem like they might be better, but I
haven't seen them.

Mike Marlow

"Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:61nLg.39236$C6.31922@bignews1.bellsouth.net.. .

>
> Changing the flasher to accommodate the additional load imposed by trailer
> lamps is reasonable, and legal. Changing the flasher to a non compliant
unit
> to accommodate a non-standard set of lights that do not meet the
photometry
> requirements is a bad idea.

I had specifically stated that I agreed with the obligation to meet DOT
illumination specs. That done, changing a flasher to accomodate a different
load has nothing to do with compliance. It's a perfectly acceptable
alteration.

>
> I understand the purpose of the flasher, and I did not say it is a
"circuit
> safety device". I said it performs "safety function that is supposed to
> warn you that something is wrong with your turn signals", and that it is.

No it does not Bob. It simply flashes. It's cooincidental that you tell by
the flasher that a bulb is burned out. It's no safety function.

>
> The flasher is doing what it is designed, and required to do - indicating
a
> problem with the turn signals. In this case, the problem is that the wrong
> lamps are in the sockets. Depending on what LED replacement lamps he has
> installed, there may be serious visibility issues. That "group of LEDs"
> thing that Auto Zone sells shows up as nothing more than a 1.5 inch blob
of
> light. There is no light directed to the reflector. Some of the others
that
> are on the web page he mentioned seem like they might be better, but I
> haven't seen them.
>
>

Again - I had specifically agreed that aftermarket light packages should
meet DOT specs. The flasher to the best of my knowledge is not "required"
to provide this warning. I think you're making too much of the simple
flasher. It is fully possible for an aftermarket light package to meet DOT
illumination specs and still draw a different current than the OEM lights.
In such a case replacing the flasher would both be appropriate and
completely safe and within the design intent for the purpose of a flasher.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Mike Marlow

"Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:61nLg.39236$C6.31922@bignews1.bellsouth.net.. .

>
> Changing the flasher to accommodate the additional load imposed by trailer
> lamps is reasonable, and legal. Changing the flasher to a non compliant
unit
> to accommodate a non-standard set of lights that do not meet the
photometry
> requirements is a bad idea.

I had specifically stated that I agreed with the obligation to meet DOT
illumination specs. That done, changing a flasher to accomodate a different
load has nothing to do with compliance. It's a perfectly acceptable
alteration.

>
> I understand the purpose of the flasher, and I did not say it is a
"circuit
> safety device". I said it performs "safety function that is supposed to
> warn you that something is wrong with your turn signals", and that it is.

No it does not Bob. It simply flashes. It's cooincidental that you tell by
the flasher that a bulb is burned out. It's no safety function.

>
> The flasher is doing what it is designed, and required to do - indicating
a
> problem with the turn signals. In this case, the problem is that the wrong
> lamps are in the sockets. Depending on what LED replacement lamps he has
> installed, there may be serious visibility issues. That "group of LEDs"
> thing that Auto Zone sells shows up as nothing more than a 1.5 inch blob
of
> light. There is no light directed to the reflector. Some of the others
that
> are on the web page he mentioned seem like they might be better, but I
> haven't seen them.
>
>

Again - I had specifically agreed that aftermarket light packages should
meet DOT specs. The flasher to the best of my knowledge is not "required"
to provide this warning. I think you're making too much of the simple
flasher. It is fully possible for an aftermarket light package to meet DOT
illumination specs and still draw a different current than the OEM lights.
In such a case replacing the flasher would both be appropriate and
completely safe and within the design intent for the purpose of a flasher.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Bob

"Mike Marlow" <mmarlow@alltel.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:61nLg.39236$C6.31922@bignews1.bellsouth.net.. .
>

>>
>> I understand the purpose of the flasher, and I did not say it is a
> "circuit
>> safety device". I said it performs "safety function that is supposed to
>> warn you that something is wrong with your turn signals", and that it is.
>
> No it does not Bob. It simply flashes. It's cooincidental that you tell
> by
> the flasher that a bulb is burned out. It's no safety function.

It is required that a motor vehicle be able to indicate that one or more
turn signal lamps is failing to operate. This is a function of the flasher.
It is indicated by changing the rate of the flash. The only exemption on the
vehicle at hand is if it is equipped to tow trailers. Changing the flasher
to solely to accomodate a different lamp current can only be done if the
system can still indicate the failure of one or more lamps.

Bob

"Mike Marlow" <mmarlow@alltel.net> wrote in message
news:bfd31$44fe15ca$471fbb8f$23498@ALLTEL.NET...
>
> "Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:61nLg.39236$C6.31922@bignews1.bellsouth.net.. .
>

>>
>> I understand the purpose of the flasher, and I did not say it is a
> "circuit
>> safety device". I said it performs "safety function that is supposed to
>> warn you that something is wrong with your turn signals", and that it is.
>
> No it does not Bob. It simply flashes. It's cooincidental that you tell
> by
> the flasher that a bulb is burned out. It's no safety function.

It is required that a motor vehicle be able to indicate that one or more
turn signal lamps is failing to operate. This is a function of the flasher.
It is indicated by changing the rate of the flash. The only exemption on the
vehicle at hand is if it is equipped to tow trailers. Changing the flasher
to solely to accomodate a different lamp current can only be done if the
system can still indicate the failure of one or more lamps.