fm_bruggemanNo@Spamwxs.nl

Who has experience with the Hyundai car manual transmittion, or
shiftronic transmittion? Please tell pro and cons of both the systems
and why should one choose either of these.
Francis

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On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 22:59:19 +0200, fm_bruggemanNo@Spamwxs.nl staggered
into the Black Sun and said:
> Who has experience with the Hyundai car manual transmittion, or
> shiftronic transmittion? Please tell pro and cons of both the systems

? "Shiftronic" = "automatic transmission with an easy way of telling
the transmission to go up or down 1 gear". The interface is slightly
different from a "normal" automatic transmission, but you can put it in
D and just drive without worrying about what gear the car's in. That's
the main pro for automatic transmissions in general. I have a V6
Tiburon with a Shiftronic transmission, and I don't use the Shiftronic
feature very often. I'd use it more if the car had less power.

The cons for auto trannies are worse fuel economy (auto trannies are
much heavier than manual trannies), fewer gears, and some power loss at
lower speeds due to the fluid coupling used.

You didn't say which model of Hyundai you were thinking about buying.
The 2003 V6 Tiburon ("Tuscani" or "Coupe" in .nl) had a number of
complaints about the clutch in the manual-tranny models. Apparently,
they used the same clutch on the I4 and V6 Tiburons and that clutch
couldn't take the extra power of the larger engine. This meant many
Tiburon owners had to get the clutch rebuilt at ~15,000 miles. Usually,
you don't have to get the clutch rebuilt until 80,000 or 100,000 miles.
Folks at newtiburon.com recommended an aftermarket racing clutch as the
best solution here. The problem may have been fixed in the 2004 line;
I'm not sure. I'm also not sure about the manual transmissions on other
Hyundai models.

> and why should one choose either of these.

You're in .nl, where gas is way too expensive. Get the manual tranny if
you can drive stick; you'll save a lot of money upfront and over the
life of the car.

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fm_bruggemanNo@Spamwxs.nl

Thanks for the fast reply.

>> Who has experience with the Hyundai car manual transmittion, or
>> shiftronic transmittion? Please tell pro and cons of both the systems
>
> I have a V6 Tiburon with a Shiftronic transmission, and I don't use the Shiftronic
>feature very often. I'd use it more if the car had less power.

Is the conclusion correct, that stronger engines *benefit* more when a
Shiftronic is used?

>The cons for auto trannies are worse fuel economy (auto trannies are
>much heavier than manual trannies), fewer gears, and some power loss at
>lower speeds due to the fluid coupling used.

This seems to be a disadvantage in an hilly/or moutain area, correct?
>
>You didn't say which model of Hyundai you were thinking about buying.

Was thinking of a Tucson 2.7i.
But this car carries of lot of weight and seems to use a lot of fuel
per km/mile too. My orginal idea was that an automatic transmission
would economize the use of fuel, but, this doesn't seem to be true.

>The 2003 V6 Tiburon ("Tuscani" or "Coupe" in .nl) had a number of
>complaints about the clutch in the manual-tranny models.
> This meant many Tiburon owners had to get the clutch rebuilt at ~15,000 miles. Usually,
>you don't have to get the clutch rebuilt until 80,000 or 100,000 miles.

This sounds serious. :-(

> I'm also not sure about the manual transmissions on other
>Hyundai models.

My experience with the Matrix model manual transmission is possitive.

>You're in .nl, where gas is way too expensive.

True.

>Get the manual tranny if you can drive stick;
I grew up with it, so this can't be a problem.

Thanks for your answers

Frank B.

> >The 2003 V6 Tiburon ("Tuscani" or "Coupe" in .nl) had a number of
> >complaints about the clutch in the manual-tranny models.
> > This meant many Tiburon owners had to get the clutch rebuilt at ~15,000 miles. Usually,
> >you don't have to get the clutch rebuilt until 80,000 or 100,000 miles.
>
> This sounds serious. :-(

I also have a 2003 V6 Tib and when the transmission DOES go out my warranty will cover it. I forget how many years the drive train is covered.......7 or 10 !!???

Dances With Crows

On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 22:50:20 +0200, fm_bruggemanNo@Spamwxs.nl staggered
into the Black Sun and said:
>>> Who has experience with the Hyundai car manual transmittion, or
>>> shiftronic transmittion? Please tell pro and cons of both the
>> I have a V6 Tiburon with a Shiftronic transmission, and I don't use
>> the Shiftronic feature very often. I'd use it more if the car had
>> less power.
> Is the conclusion correct, that stronger engines *benefit* more when a
> Shiftronic is used?

More horsepower means... well, more power generated at any time. I'll
rephrase: I don't need to use the Shiftronic feature very often because
a V6 Tiburon has enough power to accelerate and pass about 99% of all
the trucks and about 75% of all the other cars on the road. I'd have to
use the Shiftronic more if the engine were smaller, since the power peak
for the engine is ~4500 RPM and the normal shift point is ~3000 RPM.

>>fewer gears, and some power loss at lower speeds due to the fluid
>>coupling used.
> This seems to be a disadvantage in an hilly/or moutain area, correct?

Yeah, but it's not really noticable in most cases. The first car I
drove was a Ford Tempo with an auto tranny, and it had no problems with
the hills in Houghton, Michigan. That town is in the middle of a very
hilly area.

> Was thinking of a Tucson 2.7i. My orginal idea was that an automatic
> transmission would economize the use of fuel, but, this doesn't seem
> to be true.

At highway speeds, the difference in fuel economy between manual and
auto is pretty small, thanks to lock-up torque converters.

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Dances With Crows

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 23:43:29 GMT, Frank B. staggered into the Black Sun
and said:
> fm_bruggerman wrote:
>> Dances With Crows wrote:
>> >The 2003 V6 Tiburon ("Tuscani" or "Coupe" in .nl) had a number of
>> >complaints about the clutch in the manual-tranny models. This meant
>> >many Tiburon owners had to get the clutch rebuilt at ~15,000 miles.
>> >Usually, you don't have to get the clutch rebuilt until 80,000 or
>>
>> This sounds serious. :-(
>
> I also have a 2003 V6 Tib and when the transmission DOES go out my
> warranty will cover it. I forget how many years the drive train is
> covered.......7 or 10 !!???

10 years for the 2003 models. The transmission will be covered,
assuming "normal use", which means you may be out of luck if you drive
it really hard or you go drag racing every weekend. The clutch is not
covered because it's a "wear item".

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Scott K

I don't know if people have learned about this already, but the
Shiftronic™ transmission can skip a gear when in use. Let's say
you're in fourth gear and you come to a hill. Manually clicking the
shift lever down twice makes the transmission skip third gear and shift
into second. Or once you get to the top of the hill, clicking the lever
up twice shifts directly into fourth, skipping third gear.

~Scott