Matt Whiting wrote:
> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>
>>> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bob Adkins wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 23:09:52 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you point me to these tests. I've never seen the off-brand
>>>>>> SuperTech tested anywhere.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Matt,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm coming in late here, but last I heard, SuperTech is re-labeled
>>>>> Penzoil/Quaker State, in turn made by Shell. I suppose that would
>>>>> quickly
>>>>> change if Wal-Mart would get a better contract from Texaco, BP,
>>>>> Exxon-Mobil,
>>>>> etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Actually, SuperTech comes from Warren Oil, a large blending company
>>>> that produces oils for many labels. I didn't realize how the
>>>> industry worked until I checked into SuperTech oils. Many of the
>>>> oils on the market are not blended by the companies that sell them.
>>>> Companies like Warren buy base stocks from refiners (like Shell),
>>>> blend in an additive package and resell them to companies that put
>>>> their label on them. SuperTech is effectively "generic" oil, in that
>>>> it comes from the same source and is likely identical to some name
>>>> brands, but it's sold cheaper since it's not advertized and doesn't
>>>> pass through as many hands in the supply chain. It may well be
>>>> indentical to Pennzoil and/or Quaker State.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The oil MAY be identical, but it may not be. Even worse is that it
>>> may vary widely from lot to lot as often the oil is whatever is
>>> available at the lowest price at a given time. All crude oils aren't
>>> created equal.
>>
>>
>>
>> It comes from ONE source and it's blended to a standard specification.
>> The lab test I saw indicated that it was comparable to other synthetic
>> oils on the market. Your comments are just idle speculation with no
>> basis in fact. Fear mongering doesn't help anyone.
>>
>
> Again, I ask to see the mysterious data you keep referring to, but can't
> seem to produce a reference to. I provided a clear reference to the
> source of the data that I saw that is in direct conflict with your
> claims that all oils are created equal.

It's in my other post.

 

Matt Whiting wrote:
> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>
>> If you search on "synthetic", you'll see that both Specialty and
>> Warren are listed for SuperTech synthetic oils. I'm not sure if one is
>> the manufacturer and the other is the distributor or what, but the
>> dates on the MSDS's overlap.
>
>
> And you accuse me of fear mongering for not wanting to use an oil where
> the source can't even be determined? :-)

The source is known (Warren Oil). It's the MSDSs that are confusing. The
data on the product is in my other post. Now it's your turn to put up or
shut up. So far, you've given us nothing but a link to an article that
we would have to purchase. I'm not going to do that.

 

Matt Whiting wrote:
> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>
>> If you search on "synthetic", you'll see that both Specialty and
>> Warren are listed for SuperTech synthetic oils. I'm not sure if one is
>> the manufacturer and the other is the distributor or what, but the
>> dates on the MSDS's overlap.
>
>
> And you accuse me of fear mongering for not wanting to use an oil where
> the source can't even be determined? :-)

The source is known (Warren Oil). It's the MSDSs that are confusing. The
data on the product is in my other post. Now it's your turn to put up or
shut up. So far, you've given us nothing but a link to an article that
we would have to purchase. I'm not going to do that.

 

Matt Whiting wrote:
> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>
>> If you search on "synthetic", you'll see that both Specialty and
>> Warren are listed for SuperTech synthetic oils. I'm not sure if one is
>> the manufacturer and the other is the distributor or what, but the
>> dates on the MSDS's overlap.
>
>
> And you accuse me of fear mongering for not wanting to use an oil where
> the source can't even be determined? :-)

The source is known (Warren Oil). It's the MSDSs that are confusing. The
data on the product is in my other post. Now it's your turn to put up or
shut up. So far, you've given us nothing but a link to an article that
we would have to purchase. I'm not going to do that.

 

Brian Nystrom wrote:

> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>>
>>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>>
>>>> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bob Adkins wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 23:09:52 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you point me to these tests. I've never seen the off-brand
>>>>>>> SuperTech tested anywhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matt,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm coming in late here, but last I heard, SuperTech is re-labeled
>>>>>> Penzoil/Quaker State, in turn made by Shell. I suppose that would
>>>>>> quickly
>>>>>> change if Wal-Mart would get a better contract from Texaco, BP,
>>>>>> Exxon-Mobil,
>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, SuperTech comes from Warren Oil, a large blending company
>>>>> that produces oils for many labels. I didn't realize how the
>>>>> industry worked until I checked into SuperTech oils. Many of the
>>>>> oils on the market are not blended by the companies that sell them.
>>>>> Companies like Warren buy base stocks from refiners (like Shell),
>>>>> blend in an additive package and resell them to companies that put
>>>>> their label on them. SuperTech is effectively "generic" oil, in
>>>>> that it comes from the same source and is likely identical to some
>>>>> name brands, but it's sold cheaper since it's not advertized and
>>>>> doesn't pass through as many hands in the supply chain. It may well
>>>>> be indentical to Pennzoil and/or Quaker State.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The oil MAY be identical, but it may not be. Even worse is that it
>>>> may vary widely from lot to lot as often the oil is whatever is
>>>> available at the lowest price at a given time. All crude oils
>>>> aren't created equal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It comes from ONE source and it's blended to a standard
>>> specification. The lab test I saw indicated that it was comparable to
>>> other synthetic oils on the market. Your comments are just idle
>>> speculation with no basis in fact. Fear mongering doesn't help anyone.
>>>
>>
>> Again, I ask to see the mysterious data you keep referring to, but
>> can't seem to produce a reference to. I provided a clear reference to
>> the source of the data that I saw that is in direct conflict with your
>> claims that all oils are created equal.
>
>
> It's in my other post.

I never saw a post with a reference in it ... other than a "you can find
it in Google" which is hardly a reference.

Matt

 

Brian Nystrom wrote:

> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>>
>>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>>
>>>> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bob Adkins wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 23:09:52 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you point me to these tests. I've never seen the off-brand
>>>>>>> SuperTech tested anywhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matt,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm coming in late here, but last I heard, SuperTech is re-labeled
>>>>>> Penzoil/Quaker State, in turn made by Shell. I suppose that would
>>>>>> quickly
>>>>>> change if Wal-Mart would get a better contract from Texaco, BP,
>>>>>> Exxon-Mobil,
>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, SuperTech comes from Warren Oil, a large blending company
>>>>> that produces oils for many labels. I didn't realize how the
>>>>> industry worked until I checked into SuperTech oils. Many of the
>>>>> oils on the market are not blended by the companies that sell them.
>>>>> Companies like Warren buy base stocks from refiners (like Shell),
>>>>> blend in an additive package and resell them to companies that put
>>>>> their label on them. SuperTech is effectively "generic" oil, in
>>>>> that it comes from the same source and is likely identical to some
>>>>> name brands, but it's sold cheaper since it's not advertized and
>>>>> doesn't pass through as many hands in the supply chain. It may well
>>>>> be indentical to Pennzoil and/or Quaker State.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The oil MAY be identical, but it may not be. Even worse is that it
>>>> may vary widely from lot to lot as often the oil is whatever is
>>>> available at the lowest price at a given time. All crude oils
>>>> aren't created equal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It comes from ONE source and it's blended to a standard
>>> specification. The lab test I saw indicated that it was comparable to
>>> other synthetic oils on the market. Your comments are just idle
>>> speculation with no basis in fact. Fear mongering doesn't help anyone.
>>>
>>
>> Again, I ask to see the mysterious data you keep referring to, but
>> can't seem to produce a reference to. I provided a clear reference to
>> the source of the data that I saw that is in direct conflict with your
>> claims that all oils are created equal.
>
>
> It's in my other post.

I never saw a post with a reference in it ... other than a "you can find
it in Google" which is hardly a reference.

Matt

 

Brian Nystrom wrote:

> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>>
>>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>>
>>>> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bob Adkins wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 23:09:52 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you point me to these tests. I've never seen the off-brand
>>>>>>> SuperTech tested anywhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matt,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm coming in late here, but last I heard, SuperTech is re-labeled
>>>>>> Penzoil/Quaker State, in turn made by Shell. I suppose that would
>>>>>> quickly
>>>>>> change if Wal-Mart would get a better contract from Texaco, BP,
>>>>>> Exxon-Mobil,
>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, SuperTech comes from Warren Oil, a large blending company
>>>>> that produces oils for many labels. I didn't realize how the
>>>>> industry worked until I checked into SuperTech oils. Many of the
>>>>> oils on the market are not blended by the companies that sell them.
>>>>> Companies like Warren buy base stocks from refiners (like Shell),
>>>>> blend in an additive package and resell them to companies that put
>>>>> their label on them. SuperTech is effectively "generic" oil, in
>>>>> that it comes from the same source and is likely identical to some
>>>>> name brands, but it's sold cheaper since it's not advertized and
>>>>> doesn't pass through as many hands in the supply chain. It may well
>>>>> be indentical to Pennzoil and/or Quaker State.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The oil MAY be identical, but it may not be. Even worse is that it
>>>> may vary widely from lot to lot as often the oil is whatever is
>>>> available at the lowest price at a given time. All crude oils
>>>> aren't created equal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It comes from ONE source and it's blended to a standard
>>> specification. The lab test I saw indicated that it was comparable to
>>> other synthetic oils on the market. Your comments are just idle
>>> speculation with no basis in fact. Fear mongering doesn't help anyone.
>>>
>>
>> Again, I ask to see the mysterious data you keep referring to, but
>> can't seem to produce a reference to. I provided a clear reference to
>> the source of the data that I saw that is in direct conflict with your
>> claims that all oils are created equal.
>
>
> It's in my other post.

I never saw a post with a reference in it ... other than a "you can find
it in Google" which is hardly a reference.

Matt

 

Brian Nystrom wrote:

> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>>
>>> If you search on "synthetic", you'll see that both Specialty and
>>> Warren are listed for SuperTech synthetic oils. I'm not sure if one
>>> is the manufacturer and the other is the distributor or what, but the
>>> dates on the MSDS's overlap.
>>
>>
>>
>> And you accuse me of fear mongering for not wanting to use an oil
>> where the source can't even be determined? :-)
>
>
> The source is known (Warren Oil). It's the MSDSs that are confusing. The
> data on the product is in my other post. Now it's your turn to put up or
> shut up. So far, you've given us nothing but a link to an article that
> we would have to purchase. I'm not going to do that.

I understand you not wanting to see the data as that would put to rest
all of your complaints about it. The report isn't available for free,
nothing I can do about that. Most legitimate data isn't free.

Matt

 

Brian Nystrom wrote:

> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>>
>>> If you search on "synthetic", you'll see that both Specialty and
>>> Warren are listed for SuperTech synthetic oils. I'm not sure if one
>>> is the manufacturer and the other is the distributor or what, but the
>>> dates on the MSDS's overlap.
>>
>>
>>
>> And you accuse me of fear mongering for not wanting to use an oil
>> where the source can't even be determined? :-)
>
>
> The source is known (Warren Oil). It's the MSDSs that are confusing. The
> data on the product is in my other post. Now it's your turn to put up or
> shut up. So far, you've given us nothing but a link to an article that
> we would have to purchase. I'm not going to do that.

I understand you not wanting to see the data as that would put to rest
all of your complaints about it. The report isn't available for free,
nothing I can do about that. Most legitimate data isn't free.

Matt

 

Brian Nystrom wrote:

> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>>
>>> If you search on "synthetic", you'll see that both Specialty and
>>> Warren are listed for SuperTech synthetic oils. I'm not sure if one
>>> is the manufacturer and the other is the distributor or what, but the
>>> dates on the MSDS's overlap.
>>
>>
>>
>> And you accuse me of fear mongering for not wanting to use an oil
>> where the source can't even be determined? :-)
>
>
> The source is known (Warren Oil). It's the MSDSs that are confusing. The
> data on the product is in my other post. Now it's your turn to put up or
> shut up. So far, you've given us nothing but a link to an article that
> we would have to purchase. I'm not going to do that.

I understand you not wanting to see the data as that would put to rest
all of your complaints about it. The report isn't available for free,
nothing I can do about that. Most legitimate data isn't free.

Matt

 

Matt Whiting wrote:
> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>
>>> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you search on "synthetic", you'll see that both Specialty and
>>>> Warren are listed for SuperTech synthetic oils. I'm not sure if one
>>>> is the manufacturer and the other is the distributor or what, but
>>>> the dates on the MSDS's overlap.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And you accuse me of fear mongering for not wanting to use an oil
>>> where the source can't even be determined? :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> The source is known (Warren Oil). It's the MSDSs that are confusing.
>> The data on the product is in my other post. Now it's your turn to put
>> up or shut up. So far, you've given us nothing but a link to an
>> article that we would have to purchase. I'm not going to do that.
>
>
> I understand you not wanting to see the data as that would put to rest
> all of your complaints about it. The report isn't available for free,
> nothing I can do about that. Most legitimate data isn't free.

Again, nice try, but the issue is that I'm not going to spend money on
an outdated article that will probably prove nothing.

 

Matt Whiting wrote:
> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>
>>> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you search on "synthetic", you'll see that both Specialty and
>>>> Warren are listed for SuperTech synthetic oils. I'm not sure if one
>>>> is the manufacturer and the other is the distributor or what, but
>>>> the dates on the MSDS's overlap.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And you accuse me of fear mongering for not wanting to use an oil
>>> where the source can't even be determined? :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> The source is known (Warren Oil). It's the MSDSs that are confusing.
>> The data on the product is in my other post. Now it's your turn to put
>> up or shut up. So far, you've given us nothing but a link to an
>> article that we would have to purchase. I'm not going to do that.
>
>
> I understand you not wanting to see the data as that would put to rest
> all of your complaints about it. The report isn't available for free,
> nothing I can do about that. Most legitimate data isn't free.

Again, nice try, but the issue is that I'm not going to spend money on
an outdated article that will probably prove nothing.

 

Matt Whiting wrote:
> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>
>>> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you search on "synthetic", you'll see that both Specialty and
>>>> Warren are listed for SuperTech synthetic oils. I'm not sure if one
>>>> is the manufacturer and the other is the distributor or what, but
>>>> the dates on the MSDS's overlap.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And you accuse me of fear mongering for not wanting to use an oil
>>> where the source can't even be determined? :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> The source is known (Warren Oil). It's the MSDSs that are confusing.
>> The data on the product is in my other post. Now it's your turn to put
>> up or shut up. So far, you've given us nothing but a link to an
>> article that we would have to purchase. I'm not going to do that.
>
>
> I understand you not wanting to see the data as that would put to rest
> all of your complaints about it. The report isn't available for free,
> nothing I can do about that. Most legitimate data isn't free.

Again, nice try, but the issue is that I'm not going to spend money on
an outdated article that will probably prove nothing.

 

Matt Whiting wrote:
> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>
>>> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob Adkins wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 23:09:52 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can you point me to these tests. I've never seen the off-brand
>>>>>>>> SuperTech tested anywhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Matt,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm coming in late here, but last I heard, SuperTech is re-labeled
>>>>>>> Penzoil/Quaker State, in turn made by Shell. I suppose that would
>>>>>>> quickly
>>>>>>> change if Wal-Mart would get a better contract from Texaco, BP,
>>>>>>> Exxon-Mobil,
>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually, SuperTech comes from Warren Oil, a large blending
>>>>>> company that produces oils for many labels. I didn't realize how
>>>>>> the industry worked until I checked into SuperTech oils. Many of
>>>>>> the oils on the market are not blended by the companies that sell
>>>>>> them. Companies like Warren buy base stocks from refiners (like
>>>>>> Shell), blend in an additive package and resell them to companies
>>>>>> that put their label on them. SuperTech is effectively "generic"
>>>>>> oil, in that it comes from the same source and is likely identical
>>>>>> to some name brands, but it's sold cheaper since it's not
>>>>>> advertized and doesn't pass through as many hands in the supply
>>>>>> chain. It may well be indentical to Pennzoil and/or Quaker State.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The oil MAY be identical, but it may not be. Even worse is that it
>>>>> may vary widely from lot to lot as often the oil is whatever is
>>>>> available at the lowest price at a given time. All crude oils
>>>>> aren't created equal.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It comes from ONE source and it's blended to a standard
>>>> specification. The lab test I saw indicated that it was comparable
>>>> to other synthetic oils on the market. Your comments are just idle
>>>> speculation with no basis in fact. Fear mongering doesn't help anyone.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Again, I ask to see the mysterious data you keep referring to, but
>>> can't seem to produce a reference to. I provided a clear reference
>>> to the source of the data that I saw that is in direct conflict with
>>> your claims that all oils are created equal.
>>
>>
>>
>> It's in my other post.
>
>
> I never saw a post with a reference in it ... other than a "you can find
> it in Google" which is hardly a reference.

Apparently, posts with attached binary files are blocked by the news
server, as I've tried twice to post the .jpg of the oil analysis. I'll
email it to you if you want it and it won't even cost you anything.

 

Matt Whiting wrote:
> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>
>>> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob Adkins wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 23:09:52 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can you point me to these tests. I've never seen the off-brand
>>>>>>>> SuperTech tested anywhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Matt,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm coming in late here, but last I heard, SuperTech is re-labeled
>>>>>>> Penzoil/Quaker State, in turn made by Shell. I suppose that would
>>>>>>> quickly
>>>>>>> change if Wal-Mart would get a better contract from Texaco, BP,
>>>>>>> Exxon-Mobil,
>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually, SuperTech comes from Warren Oil, a large blending
>>>>>> company that produces oils for many labels. I didn't realize how
>>>>>> the industry worked until I checked into SuperTech oils. Many of
>>>>>> the oils on the market are not blended by the companies that sell
>>>>>> them. Companies like Warren buy base stocks from refiners (like
>>>>>> Shell), blend in an additive package and resell them to companies
>>>>>> that put their label on them. SuperTech is effectively "generic"
>>>>>> oil, in that it comes from the same source and is likely identical
>>>>>> to some name brands, but it's sold cheaper since it's not
>>>>>> advertized and doesn't pass through as many hands in the supply
>>>>>> chain. It may well be indentical to Pennzoil and/or Quaker State.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The oil MAY be identical, but it may not be. Even worse is that it
>>>>> may vary widely from lot to lot as often the oil is whatever is
>>>>> available at the lowest price at a given time. All crude oils
>>>>> aren't created equal.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It comes from ONE source and it's blended to a standard
>>>> specification. The lab test I saw indicated that it was comparable
>>>> to other synthetic oils on the market. Your comments are just idle
>>>> speculation with no basis in fact. Fear mongering doesn't help anyone.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Again, I ask to see the mysterious data you keep referring to, but
>>> can't seem to produce a reference to. I provided a clear reference
>>> to the source of the data that I saw that is in direct conflict with
>>> your claims that all oils are created equal.
>>
>>
>>
>> It's in my other post.
>
>
> I never saw a post with a reference in it ... other than a "you can find
> it in Google" which is hardly a reference.

Apparently, posts with attached binary files are blocked by the news
server, as I've tried twice to post the .jpg of the oil analysis. I'll
email it to you if you want it and it won't even cost you anything.