me

Is this normal wear for an '04 Sonata with just over 16,000 miles? I
had no warning or indication that I needed brakes, and last night got
a loud warning, the sound of metal on metal and my rotors are scored.
very badly. Of course with the car not even being 1 year old yet, I
can't even find anyone that has rotors for it.

I have never had a car that only got 16,000 miles out of a set of
brakes (and I doubt the tires are going to pass state inspection)

hyundaitech

If the brakes /and/ tires are worn out at 16k, this is consistent with a
lot of starting and stopping, under which conditions 16k is normal brake
wear. Where do you live and drive and for what purpose do you drive the
vehicle?

Xiaoding

They can't be THAT badly scored! They might look bad, they will still
work fine. Don't replace them unless it's done under warranty. Do
you ride your brakes? Are you the only driver?

Xin



noemail@here.com (me) wrote in message news:<416a3e6f.38654390@news.comcast.giganews.com> ...
> Is this normal wear for an '04 Sonata with just over 16,000 miles? I
> had no warning or indication that I needed brakes, and last night got
> a loud warning, the sound of metal on metal and my rotors are scored.
> very badly. Of course with the car not even being 1 year old yet, I
> can't even find anyone that has rotors for it.
>
> I have never had a car that only got 16,000 miles out of a set of
> brakes (and I doubt the tires are going to pass state inspection)

kaboom

On 12 Oct 2004 09:50:26 -0700, xiaoding2@mindspring.com (Xiaoding)
wrote:

>They can't be THAT badly scored! They might look bad, they will still
>work fine. Don't replace them unless it's done under warranty. Do
>you ride your brakes? Are you the only driver?

**Yes, they can. I've seen other posts complaining about early rotor
wear. My ex-Santa Fe developed rotor problems at 7500 miles. I had the
front and back rotors turned under warranty. The mileage on the SF was
mainly highway/rural highway with a bit of gentle city driving (no
bumper to bumper for a half hour). Within a few months, the back
rotors crapped out completely. Those got changed and I insisted they
do the front or turn them again. The dealership said they had enough
meat on them. I said, fine, but let it show in my service report that
I think there's a problem. I also said that I don't think they'll last
another 6 months. Three months later, the front rotors crapped out. I
was at probably 9 or 10K miles if that. They were replaced and I never
had another problem with the rotors up until I got rid of it at 26K.

The Michigan dealership that I used said that the rotors were only
covered for 1 year/12K. The Connecticut dealership I also used said it
was longer. I think he should go to the dealership and complain about
it. He might just be covered.

kaboomie

Xiaoding

What is "crapped out"? Rotor turning and replacement is the biggest
scam going in the repair business. Rotors should NEVER be turned, and
if you never turn them, they should last forever. Mine have, haven't
replaced a rotor in twenty years, and I drive high mileage cars.
Could be bad rotors, I guess, in which case warranty should cover it.
One year warranty on rotors? RIPOFF! Rotors are not wear items.

Xin





kaboom <kaboomicus@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message news:<fjjom0dvnfcma41pvjn86s8892c74tbb5m@4ax.com>. ..
> On 12 Oct 2004 09:50:26 -0700, xiaoding2@mindspring.com (Xiaoding)
> wrote:
>
> >They can't be THAT badly scored! They might look bad, they will still
> >work fine. Don't replace them unless it's done under warranty. Do
> >you ride your brakes? Are you the only driver?
>
> **Yes, they can. I've seen other posts complaining about early rotor
> wear. My ex-Santa Fe developed rotor problems at 7500 miles. I had the
> front and back rotors turned under warranty. The mileage on the SF was
> mainly highway/rural highway with a bit of gentle city driving (no
> bumper to bumper for a half hour). Within a few months, the back
> rotors crapped out completely. Those got changed and I insisted they
> do the front or turn them again. The dealership said they had enough
> meat on them. I said, fine, but let it show in my service report that
> I think there's a problem. I also said that I don't think they'll last
> another 6 months. Three months later, the front rotors crapped out. I
> was at probably 9 or 10K miles if that. They were replaced and I never
> had another problem with the rotors up until I got rid of it at 26K.
>
> The Michigan dealership that I used said that the rotors were only
> covered for 1 year/12K. The Connecticut dealership I also used said it
> was longer. I think he should go to the dealership and complain about
> it. He might just be covered.
>
> kaboomie

hyundaitech

If the pads are worn to the point where they've damaged the rotors, then
the rotors were not defective and are therefore not covered. If the pads
have not damaged the rotors, then there should be no need to replace them.

hyundaitech

The rotors are covered against defect (not damage) for 5 years/60k miles.
Don't let them tell you different. That will be in your warranty book you
got with the vehicle.

Rotors should be resurfaced whenever they cause a brake pulsation or other
abnormal brake condition. Most repair shops like to resurface rotors with
every brake job, and Xin is correct that this does not need to be done.

Jon W.

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:54:44 -0400, "hyundaitech"
<notpublic@not.public.com> wrote:

>The rotors are covered against defect (not damage) for 5 years/60k miles.
>Don't let them tell you different. That will be in your warranty book you
>got with the vehicle.
>
>Rotors should be resurfaced whenever they cause a brake pulsation or other
>abnormal brake condition. Most repair shops like to resurface rotors with
>every brake job, and Xin is correct that this does not need to be done.


Yes, but in my experience, these same garages will tell you the pads
they install have a lifetime warranty. But....if you don't let them
resurface your rotors, the pad warranty is viod.

J.W.

hyundaitech

More B.S. If someone won't warranty pads without resurfacing perfectly
good rotors, then don't do business there.

kaboom

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:52:09 -0400, "hyundaitech"
<notpublic@not.public.com> wrote:

>If the pads are worn to the point where they've damaged the rotors, then
>the rotors were not defective and are therefore not covered. If the pads
>have not damaged the rotors, then there should be no need to replace them.

**The weird thing is: the pads were fine (on my vehicle, at any rate).
That led me to believe it was a defective rotor issue.

kaboomie

hyundaitech

I presume you were having a rotor runout issue causing a vibration then.
Perfectly safe, but they vibrate. A legitimate concern.

me

I complained about that exact problem the last time I had my Sonata in
for some work. Had approx 9,000 miles on it (an '04) and it vibrated
so bad when I was coming to a stop. Especially coming to a stop from a
higher rate of speed. Hyundai dealer said they needed to be
resurfaced? (sanding?) and it would take a few hours and I can't
remember what it was going to cost me, but I was pissed that it should
have cost me anything on a brand new car.

I've already talked two people out of buying Hyundaie's. Just wish
someone would have talked me out of it

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 23:53:37 -0400, "hyundaitech"
<notpublic@not.public.com> wrote:

>I presume you were having a rotor runout issue causing a vibration then.
>Perfectly safe, but they vibrate. A legitimate concern.

hyundaitech

What reason did they give for it not being covered under your warranty???

kaboom

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:44:27 -0400, me <me@here.com> wrote:

>I complained about that exact problem the last time I had my Sonata in
>for some work. Had approx 9,000 miles on it (an '04) and it vibrated
>so bad when I was coming to a stop. Especially coming to a stop from a
>higher rate of speed. Hyundai dealer said they needed to be
>resurfaced? (sanding?) and it would take a few hours and I can't
>remember what it was going to cost me, but I was pissed that it should
>have cost me anything on a brand new car.

**You can be pissed, but you shouldn't have let him get away with
this. Instead you stewed, getting pissed off at Hyundais when you
should've just spoken up (esp. at 9K when *everything* is covered).
Insist on a test drive with a mechanic, then when the steering wheel
is vibrating out of his hands, how is he going to say: No, we won't
fix it. At least you're here now and are now armed with the knowledge
that your dealer sucks cheese. Also, you aren't just limited to that
dealer (unless you are in the boonies, of course). I say: Find out for
sure that the rotors are covered for 5 years and get your *** back
there (or to another dealership) and insist they be taken care of.

>I've already talked two people out of buying Hyundaie's. Just wish
>someone would have talked me out of it

**Why? Hyundais are good cars, you just have a crappy, shady dealer.
Another tip: If you feel like you are having some type of problem
(i.e., brake shudder), and they say: Oh we can't replicate it, they
all do that, or whatever, insist that they put it in your service
report that you complained about the brakes and it wasn't rectified.
Later on, if something really goes bad, you have some semblance of
"See! I told you so!" and hopefully you'll be covered.

kaboomie

kaboom

On 13 Oct 2004 05:45:54 -0700, xiaoding2@mindspring.com (Xiaoding)
wrote:

>What is "crapped out"?

**Hi Xin. Crapped out is: they (back & front) were making the Santa Fe
vibrate madly when applying the brakes. Upon rotor replacement (not
pads), the problem was long gone. I do not know what was wrong with
the original rotors but, whatever it was, it rendered them defective.

>Rotor turning and replacement is the biggest scam going in the repair business.

**As my rotor turning and replacement was done under warranty, I'm
sure that both dealerships did NOT feel like doing this and didn't
make tons o' money doing it. It might be scams elsewhere but I doubt
that under warranty it is.

>Rotors should NEVER be turned, and
>if you never turn them, they should last forever.

**I don't know, Xin, almost all of my cars' rotors needed a turning at
some point.

>Mine have, haven't
>replaced a rotor in twenty years, and I drive high mileage cars.

**Maybe you should try braking once in awhile Do you drive a lot of
highway miles?

>Could be bad rotors, I guess, in which case warranty should cover it.

**That's what I'm guessing.

>One year warranty on rotors? RIPOFF! Rotors are not wear items.

**I hear ya, Xin, and I agree.

kaboomie