Re: My 04 Sonata needs new rotors and brakes already
 

Jon W. wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:54:44 -0400, "hyundaitech"
> <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote:
>
>
>>The rotors are covered against defect (not damage) for 5 years/60k miles.
>>Don't let them tell you different. That will be in your warranty book you
>>got with the vehicle.
>>
>>Rotors should be resurfaced whenever they cause a brake pulsation or other
>>abnormal brake condition. Most repair shops like to resurface rotors with
>>every brake job, and Xin is correct that this does not need to be done.
>
>
>
> Yes, but in my experience, these same garages will tell you the pads
> they install have a lifetime warranty. But....if you don't let them
> resurface your rotors, the pad warranty is viod.

That's a classic scam. They get you to pay lots of extra bucks in order
to get a warranty on $30 brake pads.

Re: My 04 Sonata needs new rotors and brakes already
 

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 02:48:37 GMT, Brian Nystrom
<brian.nystrom@att.net> wrote:

>Jon W. wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:54:44 -0400, "hyundaitech"
>> <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The rotors are covered against defect (not damage) for 5 years/60k miles.
>>>Don't let them tell you different. That will be in your warranty book you
>>>got with the vehicle.
>>>
>>>Rotors should be resurfaced whenever they cause a brake pulsation or other
>>>abnormal brake condition. Most repair shops like to resurface rotors with
>>>every brake job, and Xin is correct that this does not need to be done.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, but in my experience, these same garages will tell you the pads
>> they install have a lifetime warranty. But....if you don't let them
>> resurface your rotors, the pad warranty is viod.
>
>That's a classic scam. They get you to pay lots of extra bucks in order
>to get a warranty on $30 brake pads.


Yeah, but try finding a garage that will not do this. I live in a
metro area and have been to several shops, with my older cars, and
they all do the same thing. The only way around this is to do it
yourself, if you have the know how. Hell, you can even go to many auto
parts stores and have the rotors turned if they REALLY need it. As for
the $30.00 pads? Auto parts stores have as good, if not better,
quality than these rip off garages.
But...that being said. I WILL be taking my Sonata into the dealer for
everything. I am not going to let them get out of the warranty, under
any circumstances. I know it will cost me hundreds more over the next
10 years, But I am keeping the mileage to 10,000 per year, and I plan
to drive this car for 10 years.

J.W.

Re: My 04 Sonata needs new rotors and brakes already
 

Jon W. wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 02:48:37 GMT, Brian Nystrom
> <brian.nystrom@att.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Jon W. wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:54:44 -0400, "hyundaitech"
>>><notpublic@not.public.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>The rotors are covered against defect (not damage) for 5 years/60k miles.
>>>>Don't let them tell you different. That will be in your warranty book you
>>>>got with the vehicle.
>>>>
>>>>Rotors should be resurfaced whenever they cause a brake pulsation or other
>>>>abnormal brake condition. Most repair shops like to resurface rotors with
>>>>every brake job, and Xin is correct that this does not need to be done.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes, but in my experience, these same garages will tell you the pads
>>>they install have a lifetime warranty. But....if you don't let them
>>>resurface your rotors, the pad warranty is viod.
>>
>>That's a classic scam. They get you to pay lots of extra bucks in order
>>to get a warranty on $30 brake pads.
>
> Yeah, but try finding a garage that will not do this. I live in a
> metro area and have been to several shops, with my older cars, and
> they all do the same thing.

There's a very simple solution, it's the word "no". Tell them that you
don't care about the warranty and to install the pads and leave the
rotors alone. They may grumble and some may even refuse, but most will
do the work.

> The only way around this is to do it
> yourself, if you have the know how. Hell, you can even go to many auto
> parts stores and have the rotors turned if they REALLY need it. As for
> the $30.00 pads? Auto parts stores have as good, if not better,
> quality than these rip off garages.

Agreed. DIY is the least expensive way to go for most maintenance. It's
often the best way, as you can select the parts that are used and you
know how the work is done.

> But...that being said. I WILL be taking my Sonata into the dealer for
> everything. I am not going to let them get out of the warranty, under
> any circumstances. I know it will cost me hundreds more over the next
> 10 years, But I am keeping the mileage to 10,000 per year, and I plan
> to drive this car for 10 years.

You can still do DIY maintenance and have the car covered under
warranty. In fact, my dealer even told me that all that's necessary is
to document the work in the Maintenance Log that comes with the car.
Keeping receipts for the parts is probably a good idea, just in case. As
long as you use parts that meet factory spec's (not necessarily factory
parts), the warranty remains in force. That's the law (the Moss Magnuson
Act), not just an opinion.

Re: My 04 Sonata needs new rotors and brakes already
 

I've been able to avoid unnecessary resurfacing of rotors and drums by
agreeing to pay for that service just to get the benefit of the
warranty. If this doesn't tell you they are in effect charging you
for the warranty by insisting on resurfacing good rotors/drums, I
don't know what does. Furthermore it is a fact that a GOOD rotor or
drum is more likely to warp after resufracing than a GOOD rotor that
has never been resurfaced.



On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 12:21:03 GMT, Brian Nystrom
<brian.nystrom@att.net> wrote:

>
>
>Jon W. wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 02:48:37 GMT, Brian Nystrom
>> <brian.nystrom@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Jon W. wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:54:44 -0400, "hyundaitech"
>>>><notpublic@not.public.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The rotors are covered against defect (not damage) for 5 years/60k miles.
>>>>>Don't let them tell you different. That will be in your warranty book you
>>>>>got with the vehicle.
>>>>>
>>>>>Rotors should be resurfaced whenever they cause a brake pulsation or other
>>>>>abnormal brake condition. Most repair shops like to resurface rotors with
>>>>>every brake job, and Xin is correct that this does not need to be done.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yes, but in my experience, these same garages will tell you the pads
>>>>they install have a lifetime warranty. But....if you don't let them
>>>>resurface your rotors, the pad warranty is viod.
>>>
>>>That's a classic scam. They get you to pay lots of extra bucks in order
>>>to get a warranty on $30 brake pads.
>>
>> Yeah, but try finding a garage that will not do this. I live in a
>> metro area and have been to several shops, with my older cars, and
>> they all do the same thing.
>
>There's a very simple solution, it's the word "no". Tell them that you
>don't care about the warranty and to install the pads and leave the
>rotors alone. They may grumble and some may even refuse, but most will
>do the work.
>
>> The only way around this is to do it
>> yourself, if you have the know how. Hell, you can even go to many auto
>> parts stores and have the rotors turned if they REALLY need it. As for
>> the $30.00 pads? Auto parts stores have as good, if not better,
>> quality than these rip off garages.
>
>Agreed. DIY is the least expensive way to go for most maintenance. It's
>often the best way, as you can select the parts that are used and you
>know how the work is done.
>
>> But...that being said. I WILL be taking my Sonata into the dealer for
>> everything. I am not going to let them get out of the warranty, under
>> any circumstances. I know it will cost me hundreds more over the next
>> 10 years, But I am keeping the mileage to 10,000 per year, and I plan
>> to drive this car for 10 years.
>
>You can still do DIY maintenance and have the car covered under
>warranty. In fact, my dealer even told me that all that's necessary is
>to document the work in the Maintenance Log that comes with the car.
>Keeping receipts for the parts is probably a good idea, just in case. As
>long as you use parts that meet factory spec's (not necessarily factory
>parts), the warranty remains in force. That's the law (the Moss Magnuson
>Act), not just an opinion.