Bob Adkins

On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:00:47 -0400, "hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com>
wrote:

>Matt's right. Maybe not in your particular case. But dealers offer bribes
>regularly, and customers accept them regularly.


I'm sure that Hyundai puts a lot of pressure on the dealers for their sales
and service quality. But if the car bombs in the JD Power survey, it's the
manufacturer's fault, not the dealer's. (except for certain dealer prepped
items, of course)
--
Bob

Eric G.

"hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in
news:f22c6932b1ca565ae469a61939c56e88@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com:

> Matt's right. Maybe not in your particular case. But dealers offer
> bribes regularly, and customers accept them regularly.
>

In my case, had I not been happy with the initial quality (it took more
than 6 weeks to get the survey in the mail) I would have rejected the bribe
offered and filled out and mailed the survey for myself.

I just write that so I don't sound like a complete idiot for letting them
fill it out for me. I was, and still am, extremely happy with my Sonata.
And my bribe was an oil change. I normally do them myself, so taking it to
the dealer was actually more of a hardship as far as time and energy are
concerned. I did want to see what, if anything, I was missing by not using
their service.

Eric

Eric G.

"hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in
news:f22c6932b1ca565ae469a61939c56e88@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com:

> Matt's right. Maybe not in your particular case. But dealers offer
> bribes regularly, and customers accept them regularly.
>

In my case, had I not been happy with the initial quality (it took more
than 6 weeks to get the survey in the mail) I would have rejected the bribe
offered and filled out and mailed the survey for myself.

I just write that so I don't sound like a complete idiot for letting them
fill it out for me. I was, and still am, extremely happy with my Sonata.
And my bribe was an oil change. I normally do them myself, so taking it to
the dealer was actually more of a hardship as far as time and energy are
concerned. I did want to see what, if anything, I was missing by not using
their service.

Eric

Eric G.

"hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in
news:f22c6932b1ca565ae469a61939c56e88@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com:

> Matt's right. Maybe not in your particular case. But dealers offer
> bribes regularly, and customers accept them regularly.
>

In my case, had I not been happy with the initial quality (it took more
than 6 weeks to get the survey in the mail) I would have rejected the bribe
offered and filled out and mailed the survey for myself.

I just write that so I don't sound like a complete idiot for letting them
fill it out for me. I was, and still am, extremely happy with my Sonata.
And my bribe was an oil change. I normally do them myself, so taking it to
the dealer was actually more of a hardship as far as time and energy are
concerned. I did want to see what, if anything, I was missing by not using
their service.

Eric

hyundaitech

Actually, receiving the call is a good thing. That means someone at the
dealer or at Hyundai saw something odd and inquired about it, looking out
for your best interests.

hyundaitech

Actually, receiving the call is a good thing. That means someone at the
dealer or at Hyundai saw something odd and inquired about it, looking out
for your best interests.

hyundaitech

Actually, receiving the call is a good thing. That means someone at the
dealer or at Hyundai saw something odd and inquired about it, looking out
for your best interests.

Bob Adkins

On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 20:38:04 GMT, "Eric G." <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet>
wrote:

>"hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in
>news:f22c6932b1ca565ae469a61939c56e88@localhost.t alkaboutautos.com:
>
>> Matt's right. Maybe not in your particular case. But dealers offer
>> bribes regularly, and customers accept them regularly.
>>
>
>In my case, had I not been happy with the initial quality (it took more
>than 6 weeks to get the survey in the mail) I would have rejected the bribe
>offered and filled out and mailed the survey for myself.
>
>I just write that so I don't sound like a complete idiot for letting them
>fill it out for me. I was, and still am, extremely happy with my Sonata.
>And my bribe was an oil change. I normally do them myself, so taking it to
>the dealer was actually more of a hardship as far as time and energy are
>concerned. I did want to see what, if anything, I was missing by not using
>their service.

Really, they could fill my service survey it out for me too. The only
stipulation would be that they admit they used the wrong oil (20W50 oil
instead of 10W30.)

But my oil problem had nothing to do with JD Power. They can fill that
survey out for me too, stating the only complaint is the k-thunk in the rear
suspension. If they give me free gas, I won't feel a bit guilty.
--
Bob

Bob Adkins

On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 20:38:04 GMT, "Eric G." <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet>
wrote:

>"hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in
>news:f22c6932b1ca565ae469a61939c56e88@localhost.t alkaboutautos.com:
>
>> Matt's right. Maybe not in your particular case. But dealers offer
>> bribes regularly, and customers accept them regularly.
>>
>
>In my case, had I not been happy with the initial quality (it took more
>than 6 weeks to get the survey in the mail) I would have rejected the bribe
>offered and filled out and mailed the survey for myself.
>
>I just write that so I don't sound like a complete idiot for letting them
>fill it out for me. I was, and still am, extremely happy with my Sonata.
>And my bribe was an oil change. I normally do them myself, so taking it to
>the dealer was actually more of a hardship as far as time and energy are
>concerned. I did want to see what, if anything, I was missing by not using
>their service.

Really, they could fill my service survey it out for me too. The only
stipulation would be that they admit they used the wrong oil (20W50 oil
instead of 10W30.)

But my oil problem had nothing to do with JD Power. They can fill that
survey out for me too, stating the only complaint is the k-thunk in the rear
suspension. If they give me free gas, I won't feel a bit guilty.
--
Bob

Bob Adkins

On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 20:38:04 GMT, "Eric G." <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet>
wrote:

>"hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in
>news:f22c6932b1ca565ae469a61939c56e88@localhost.t alkaboutautos.com:
>
>> Matt's right. Maybe not in your particular case. But dealers offer
>> bribes regularly, and customers accept them regularly.
>>
>
>In my case, had I not been happy with the initial quality (it took more
>than 6 weeks to get the survey in the mail) I would have rejected the bribe
>offered and filled out and mailed the survey for myself.
>
>I just write that so I don't sound like a complete idiot for letting them
>fill it out for me. I was, and still am, extremely happy with my Sonata.
>And my bribe was an oil change. I normally do them myself, so taking it to
>the dealer was actually more of a hardship as far as time and energy are
>concerned. I did want to see what, if anything, I was missing by not using
>their service.

Really, they could fill my service survey it out for me too. The only
stipulation would be that they admit they used the wrong oil (20W50 oil
instead of 10W30.)

But my oil problem had nothing to do with JD Power. They can fill that
survey out for me too, stating the only complaint is the k-thunk in the rear
suspension. If they give me free gas, I won't feel a bit guilty.
--
Bob

Matt Whiting

Bob Adkins wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:26:21 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>>The idea is typically to evaluate the initial quality of the car, not
>>the quality of the bribes from the dealer. I've yet to see a J.D. Power
>>"dealer bribe" satisfaction index, yet that is essentially what is being
>>measured at my Hyundai dealer.
>
>
> My only survey to date was to rate my dealer service. I recently got an oil
> change for $28, and Hyundai sent me a survey. I will fill it in honestly and
> mail it. I may just do it on the Internet, but then, I get no free gas. That
> seems like wasting perfectly good gas to me!
>
> Matt, be careful. Bribery takes 2. If you are accusing bribery, you are not
> only accusing the dealers of offering bribes, but you are also accusing the
> owners of accepting them. I for 1 take that a little bit personally. Were
> you offered a bribe? If so, did you take it? What makes you think other
> owners have less integrity than you?

No, I've accepted no freebies from the dealer. I never even got the
survey on the dealer that I was told to expect. I did get one on the
car from J.D. Power and I filled it out honestly. They only gave room
for 4 design defects as I recall, so I couldn't list them all. :-)

Bribery doesn't take two, at least not by any definition I've ever seen.
If you try to bribe a police officer, the officer doesn't have to
accept the bribe in order to arrest you for bribery. Here's one sample
definition, but others I've seen are similar. Where did you get the "it
takes two" definition?

http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/featur...fid=1861592654

Matt

Matt Whiting

Bob Adkins wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:26:21 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>>The idea is typically to evaluate the initial quality of the car, not
>>the quality of the bribes from the dealer. I've yet to see a J.D. Power
>>"dealer bribe" satisfaction index, yet that is essentially what is being
>>measured at my Hyundai dealer.
>
>
> My only survey to date was to rate my dealer service. I recently got an oil
> change for $28, and Hyundai sent me a survey. I will fill it in honestly and
> mail it. I may just do it on the Internet, but then, I get no free gas. That
> seems like wasting perfectly good gas to me!
>
> Matt, be careful. Bribery takes 2. If you are accusing bribery, you are not
> only accusing the dealers of offering bribes, but you are also accusing the
> owners of accepting them. I for 1 take that a little bit personally. Were
> you offered a bribe? If so, did you take it? What makes you think other
> owners have less integrity than you?

No, I've accepted no freebies from the dealer. I never even got the
survey on the dealer that I was told to expect. I did get one on the
car from J.D. Power and I filled it out honestly. They only gave room
for 4 design defects as I recall, so I couldn't list them all. :-)

Bribery doesn't take two, at least not by any definition I've ever seen.
If you try to bribe a police officer, the officer doesn't have to
accept the bribe in order to arrest you for bribery. Here's one sample
definition, but others I've seen are similar. Where did you get the "it
takes two" definition?

http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/featur...fid=1861592654

Matt

Matt Whiting

Bob Adkins wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:26:21 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>>The idea is typically to evaluate the initial quality of the car, not
>>the quality of the bribes from the dealer. I've yet to see a J.D. Power
>>"dealer bribe" satisfaction index, yet that is essentially what is being
>>measured at my Hyundai dealer.
>
>
> My only survey to date was to rate my dealer service. I recently got an oil
> change for $28, and Hyundai sent me a survey. I will fill it in honestly and
> mail it. I may just do it on the Internet, but then, I get no free gas. That
> seems like wasting perfectly good gas to me!
>
> Matt, be careful. Bribery takes 2. If you are accusing bribery, you are not
> only accusing the dealers of offering bribes, but you are also accusing the
> owners of accepting them. I for 1 take that a little bit personally. Were
> you offered a bribe? If so, did you take it? What makes you think other
> owners have less integrity than you?

No, I've accepted no freebies from the dealer. I never even got the
survey on the dealer that I was told to expect. I did get one on the
car from J.D. Power and I filled it out honestly. They only gave room
for 4 design defects as I recall, so I couldn't list them all. :-)

Bribery doesn't take two, at least not by any definition I've ever seen.
If you try to bribe a police officer, the officer doesn't have to
accept the bribe in order to arrest you for bribery. Here's one sample
definition, but others I've seen are similar. Where did you get the "it
takes two" definition?

http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/featur...fid=1861592654

Matt

Bob Adkins

On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:32:28 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:


> Where did you get the "it takes two" definition?

Don't confuse attempted bribery with bribery. Bribery takes 2. Attempted
bribery takes 1.
--
Bob

Bob Adkins

On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:32:28 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:


> Where did you get the "it takes two" definition?

Don't confuse attempted bribery with bribery. Bribery takes 2. Attempted
bribery takes 1.
--
Bob