taters2

On the Kia You must use a End type filter wrench on a Rachet extention , It
is an 06 4 cylinder 2.4 litre. I have a wrench thats very close but no
cigar!

Tom

My filter wrench is the end type and also doesn't quite fit the filter. It
slips so I took a piece of rubber tubing and laid it across the wrench and
then pressed it against the filter. Off it came!!!! It just needed a
little shim to fit that wierd size filter. Is this a scheme to lock us into
the dealer? I have a whole shelf of filter wrenches collected over the
years and none fit it.....


Tom


"taters2" <carl.n@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:0fa178fd5f9926059e76d8b84c4edcf3@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
> On the Kia You must use a End type filter wrench on a Rachet extention ,
> It
> is an 06 4 cylinder 2.4 litre. I have a wrench thats very close but no
> cigar!
>

Rev. Tom Wenndt

You know, the first time I replace a filter, I need a wrench. Whether it is
a new car, or one put on by a dealership, a fast lube place or whatever,
they are all on VERY tight.

But after that, I tighten it the way the directions tell me to - and ONLY by
hand. Funny thing is, after that, unless it is so buried I can't get my
hand on it, I can always remove all my filters by hand - I don't need a
wrench and none of them have ever leaked, felt loose, or come off.

So if you got if off the first time, your troubles may be over - IF you're
tightening it the way you're supposed to, and can get your hand on the
filter.

Tom Wenndt


"Tom" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:1XRyh.395$I8.325@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
> My filter wrench is the end type and also doesn't quite fit the filter.
> It slips so I took a piece of rubber tubing and laid it across the wrench
> and then pressed it against the filter. Off it came!!!! It just needed a
> little shim to fit that wierd size filter. Is this a scheme to lock us
> into the dealer? I have a whole shelf of filter wrenches collected over
> the years and none fit it.....
>
>
> Tom
>
>
> "taters2" <carl.n@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:0fa178fd5f9926059e76d8b84c4edcf3@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
>> On the Kia You must use a End type filter wrench on a Rachet extention ,
>> It
>> is an 06 4 cylinder 2.4 litre. I have a wrench thats very close but no
>> cigar!
>>
>
>

Matt Whiting

Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:

> You know, the first time I replace a filter, I need a wrench. Whether it is
> a new car, or one put on by a dealership, a fast lube place or whatever,
> they are all on VERY tight.
>
> But after that, I tighten it the way the directions tell me to - and ONLY by
> hand. Funny thing is, after that, unless it is so buried I can't get my
> hand on it, I can always remove all my filters by hand - I don't need a
> wrench and none of them have ever leaked, felt loose, or come off.
>
> So if you got if off the first time, your troubles may be over - IF you're
> tightening it the way you're supposed to, and can get your hand on the
> filter.

I also tighten mine only by hand (2/3 to 1 turn as specified by the
particular filter), but after 5,000 miles I still usually need a wrench
to remove them. The gasket seems to attach to the engine block pretty
well after 5,000 miles of heat and vibration.

Matt

Matt Whiting

Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:

> You know, the first time I replace a filter, I need a wrench. Whether it is
> a new car, or one put on by a dealership, a fast lube place or whatever,
> they are all on VERY tight.
>
> But after that, I tighten it the way the directions tell me to - and ONLY by
> hand. Funny thing is, after that, unless it is so buried I can't get my
> hand on it, I can always remove all my filters by hand - I don't need a
> wrench and none of them have ever leaked, felt loose, or come off.
>
> So if you got if off the first time, your troubles may be over - IF you're
> tightening it the way you're supposed to, and can get your hand on the
> filter.

Also, I change my oil with the engine hot and I can't stand my hand on
the filter due to the heat. It is hard enough removing the drain plug
when hot!

Matt

Tom

For the 4 cyl Sonata, the filter is up inside the engine compartment and the
only access is through a hole in the plastic windage cover below the engine.
You need the wrench even if the filter is torqued normally. In my case, a
small twist is all that was needed to loosen it after I got the wrench to
'grip' with the rubber helper strip.


"Rev. Tom Wenndt" <trwenndt@grics.net> wrote in message
news:eqi86b02fb0@enews1.newsguy.com...
> You know, the first time I replace a filter, I need a wrench. Whether it
> is a new car, or one put on by a dealership, a fast lube place or
> whatever, they are all on VERY tight.
>
> But after that, I tighten it the way the directions tell me to - and ONLY
> by hand. Funny thing is, after that, unless it is so buried I can't get
> my hand on it, I can always remove all my filters by hand - I don't need a
> wrench and none of them have ever leaked, felt loose, or come off.
>
> So if you got if off the first time, your troubles may be over - IF you're
> tightening it the way you're supposed to, and can get your hand on the
> filter.
>
> Tom Wenndt
>
>
> "Tom" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:1XRyh.395$I8.325@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>> My filter wrench is the end type and also doesn't quite fit the filter.
>> It slips so I took a piece of rubber tubing and laid it across the wrench
>> and then pressed it against the filter. Off it came!!!! It just needed
>> a little shim to fit that wierd size filter. Is this a scheme to lock us
>> into the dealer? I have a whole shelf of filter wrenches collected over
>> the years and none fit it.....
>>
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> "taters2" <carl.n@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:0fa178fd5f9926059e76d8b84c4edcf3@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
>>> On the Kia You must use a End type filter wrench on a Rachet extention ,
>>> It
>>> is an 06 4 cylinder 2.4 litre. I have a wrench thats very close but no
>>> cigar!
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Rev. Tom Wenndt

I know that some people have pilloried Fram filters in this group. But that
is why I continue to use Fram Tough Guard on all my cars. That black
coating they put on the end of their filters makes it so simple to loosen by
hand - IF you can get to it.

My daughter has an older Geo Prizm, where the filter is virtually IN the
exhaust manifold. There I have to let the engine almost completely cool,
even if I do try to use a wrench or I will have slightly burned knuckles for
a few days.

In the Winter (like it is now), I actually prefer the engine warm, as my oil
changing station is just an unheated garage, and the warmth keeps me from
freezing. In Summer, I put the vehicle up on ramps, and just let it sit
there for a minimum of two hours, while I go do something else.

But if you have the grippiness of the Fram, the filter is accessible, and
you changed the filter last time, and tightened it the way you're supposed
to, give it a whirl. For years, I had just by nature used a wrench, and now
just recently I've learned that I don't have to.

Tom Wenndt


"Tom" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:vy7zh.1419$O8.761@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
> For the 4 cyl Sonata, the filter is up inside the engine compartment and
> the only access is through a hole in the plastic windage cover below the
> engine. You need the wrench even if the filter is torqued normally. In my
> case, a small twist is all that was needed to loosen it after I got the
> wrench to 'grip' with the rubber helper strip.
>
>
> "Rev. Tom Wenndt" <trwenndt@grics.net> wrote in message
> news:eqi86b02fb0@enews1.newsguy.com...
>> You know, the first time I replace a filter, I need a wrench. Whether it
>> is a new car, or one put on by a dealership, a fast lube place or
>> whatever, they are all on VERY tight.
>>
>> But after that, I tighten it the way the directions tell me to - and ONLY
>> by hand. Funny thing is, after that, unless it is so buried I can't get
>> my hand on it, I can always remove all my filters by hand - I don't need
>> a wrench and none of them have ever leaked, felt loose, or come off.
>>
>> So if you got if off the first time, your troubles may be over - IF
>> you're tightening it the way you're supposed to, and can get your hand on
>> the filter.
>>
>> Tom Wenndt
>>
>>
>> "Tom" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:1XRyh.395$I8.325@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>>> My filter wrench is the end type and also doesn't quite fit the filter.
>>> It slips so I took a piece of rubber tubing and laid it across the
>>> wrench and then pressed it against the filter. Off it came!!!! It just
>>> needed a little shim to fit that wierd size filter. Is this a scheme to
>>> lock us into the dealer? I have a whole shelf of filter wrenches
>>> collected over the years and none fit it.....
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>> "taters2" <carl.n@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>> news:0fa178fd5f9926059e76d8b84c4edcf3@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
>>>> On the Kia You must use a End type filter wrench on a Rachet extention
>>>> , It
>>>> is an 06 4 cylinder 2.4 litre. I have a wrench thats very close but no
>>>> cigar!
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Tom

I've never used a wrench to tighten an oil filter for the reason you state,
Rev. IF you can get to it, you can loosen it by hand. Never had one leak
in the hundreds of times I've done it.


"Rev. Tom Wenndt" <trwenndt@grics.net> wrote in message
news:eqj7a715u3@enews1.newsguy.com...
>I know that some people have pilloried Fram filters in this group. But
>that is why I continue to use Fram Tough Guard on all my cars. That black
>coating they put on the end of their filters makes it so simple to loosen
>by hand - IF you can get to it.
>
> My daughter has an older Geo Prizm, where the filter is virtually IN the
> exhaust manifold. There I have to let the engine almost completely cool,
> even if I do try to use a wrench or I will have slightly burned knuckles
> for a few days.
>
> In the Winter (like it is now), I actually prefer the engine warm, as my
> oil changing station is just an unheated garage, and the warmth keeps me
> from freezing. In Summer, I put the vehicle up on ramps, and just let it
> sit there for a minimum of two hours, while I go do something else.
>
> But if you have the grippiness of the Fram, the filter is accessible, and
> you changed the filter last time, and tightened it the way you're supposed
> to, give it a whirl. For years, I had just by nature used a wrench, and
> now just recently I've learned that I don't have to.
>
> Tom Wenndt
>
>
> "Tom" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:vy7zh.1419$O8.761@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>> For the 4 cyl Sonata, the filter is up inside the engine compartment and
>> the only access is through a hole in the plastic windage cover below the
>> engine. You need the wrench even if the filter is torqued normally. In
>> my case, a small twist is all that was needed to loosen it after I got
>> the wrench to 'grip' with the rubber helper strip.
>>
>>
>> "Rev. Tom Wenndt" <trwenndt@grics.net> wrote in message
>> news:eqi86b02fb0@enews1.newsguy.com...
>>> You know, the first time I replace a filter, I need a wrench. Whether
>>> it is a new car, or one put on by a dealership, a fast lube place or
>>> whatever, they are all on VERY tight.
>>>
>>> But after that, I tighten it the way the directions tell me to - and
>>> ONLY by hand. Funny thing is, after that, unless it is so buried I
>>> can't get my hand on it, I can always remove all my filters by hand - I
>>> don't need a wrench and none of them have ever leaked, felt loose, or
>>> come off.
>>>
>>> So if you got if off the first time, your troubles may be over - IF
>>> you're tightening it the way you're supposed to, and can get your hand
>>> on the filter.
>>>
>>> Tom Wenndt
>>>
>>>
>>> "Tom" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>> news:1XRyh.395$I8.325@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>>>> My filter wrench is the end type and also doesn't quite fit the filter.
>>>> It slips so I took a piece of rubber tubing and laid it across the
>>>> wrench and then pressed it against the filter. Off it came!!!! It
>>>> just needed a little shim to fit that wierd size filter. Is this a
>>>> scheme to lock us into the dealer? I have a whole shelf of filter
>>>> wrenches collected over the years and none fit it.....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "taters2" <carl.n@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:0fa178fd5f9926059e76d8b84c4edcf3@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
>>>>> On the Kia You must use a End type filter wrench on a Rachet extention
>>>>> , It
>>>>> is an 06 4 cylinder 2.4 litre. I have a wrench thats very close but no
>>>>> cigar!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Rev. Tom Wenndt

Correct me if I'm wrong, Tom, but IIRC, it is stated on both on the package
of a new filter wrench and in the owner's manual that a filter wrench is
supposed to be used ONLY for loosening, NEVER for tightening.

The way they make those filters anymore, I would be afraid of putting a
small puncture in one if I used a wrench to tighten it. I will occasionally
do that when I have to loosen one using a wrench, after it was put on at the
dealership or fast oil change people.

To me, that is a HUGE no-no.

Tom Wenndt


"Tom" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:Rcazh.1650$B8.1079@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> I've never used a wrench to tighten an oil filter for the reason you
> state, Rev. IF you can get to it, you can loosen it by hand. Never had
> one leak in the hundreds of times I've done it.
>
>
> "Rev. Tom Wenndt" <trwenndt@grics.net> wrote in message
> news:eqj7a715u3@enews1.newsguy.com...
>>I know that some people have pilloried Fram filters in this group. But
>>that is why I continue to use Fram Tough Guard on all my cars. That black
>>coating they put on the end of their filters makes it so simple to loosen
>>by hand - IF you can get to it.
>>
>> My daughter has an older Geo Prizm, where the filter is virtually IN the
>> exhaust manifold. There I have to let the engine almost completely cool,
>> even if I do try to use a wrench or I will have slightly burned knuckles
>> for a few days.
>>
>> In the Winter (like it is now), I actually prefer the engine warm, as my
>> oil changing station is just an unheated garage, and the warmth keeps me
>> from freezing. In Summer, I put the vehicle up on ramps, and just let it
>> sit there for a minimum of two hours, while I go do something else.
>>
>> But if you have the grippiness of the Fram, the filter is accessible, and
>> you changed the filter last time, and tightened it the way you're
>> supposed to, give it a whirl. For years, I had just by nature used a
>> wrench, and now just recently I've learned that I don't have to.
>>
>> Tom Wenndt
>>
>>
>> "Tom" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:vy7zh.1419$O8.761@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>>> For the 4 cyl Sonata, the filter is up inside the engine compartment and
>>> the only access is through a hole in the plastic windage cover below the
>>> engine. You need the wrench even if the filter is torqued normally. In
>>> my case, a small twist is all that was needed to loosen it after I got
>>> the wrench to 'grip' with the rubber helper strip.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Rev. Tom Wenndt" <trwenndt@grics.net> wrote in message
>>> news:eqi86b02fb0@enews1.newsguy.com...
>>>> You know, the first time I replace a filter, I need a wrench. Whether
>>>> it is a new car, or one put on by a dealership, a fast lube place or
>>>> whatever, they are all on VERY tight.
>>>>
>>>> But after that, I tighten it the way the directions tell me to - and
>>>> ONLY by hand. Funny thing is, after that, unless it is so buried I
>>>> can't get my hand on it, I can always remove all my filters by hand - I
>>>> don't need a wrench and none of them have ever leaked, felt loose, or
>>>> come off.
>>>>
>>>> So if you got if off the first time, your troubles may be over - IF
>>>> you're tightening it the way you're supposed to, and can get your hand
>>>> on the filter.
>>>>
>>>> Tom Wenndt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Tom" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:1XRyh.395$I8.325@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>>>>> My filter wrench is the end type and also doesn't quite fit the
>>>>> filter. It slips so I took a piece of rubber tubing and laid it across
>>>>> the wrench and then pressed it against the filter. Off it came!!!!
>>>>> It just needed a little shim to fit that wierd size filter. Is this a
>>>>> scheme to lock us into the dealer? I have a whole shelf of filter
>>>>> wrenches collected over the years and none fit it.....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "taters2" <carl.n@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:0fa178fd5f9926059e76d8b84c4edcf3@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
>>>>>> On the Kia You must use a End type filter wrench on a Rachet
>>>>>> extention , It
>>>>>> is an 06 4 cylinder 2.4 litre. I have a wrench thats very close but
>>>>>> no
>>>>>> cigar!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

tjnamtiw

Hi Tom,

I said I 'NEVER' used a wrench to tighten it. You read me wrong. I've
crushed a couple filters getting them off, like you said after a dealer or
quick lube change.

Tom


"Rev. Tom Wenndt" <trwenndt@grics.net> wrote in message
news:eqjc1q01mk0@enews4.newsguy.com...
> Correct me if I'm wrong, Tom, but IIRC, it is stated on both on the
> package of a new filter wrench and in the owner's manual that a filter
> wrench is supposed to be used ONLY for loosening, NEVER for tightening.
>
> The way they make those filters anymore, I would be afraid of putting a
> small puncture in one if I used a wrench to tighten it. I will
> occasionally do that when I have to loosen one using a wrench, after it
> was put on at the dealership or fast oil change people.
>
> To me, that is a HUGE no-no.
>
> Tom Wenndt
>
>
> "Tom" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:Rcazh.1650$B8.1079@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>> I've never used a wrench to tighten an oil filter for the reason you
>> state, Rev. IF you can get to it, you can loosen it by hand. Never had
>> one leak in the hundreds of times I've done it.
>>
>>
>> "Rev. Tom Wenndt" <trwenndt@grics.net> wrote in message
>> news:eqj7a715u3@enews1.newsguy.com...
>>>I know that some people have pilloried Fram filters in this group. But
>>>that is why I continue to use Fram Tough Guard on all my cars. That
>>>black coating they put on the end of their filters makes it so simple to
>>>loosen by hand - IF you can get to it.
>>>
>>> My daughter has an older Geo Prizm, where the filter is virtually IN the
>>> exhaust manifold. There I have to let the engine almost completely
>>> cool, even if I do try to use a wrench or I will have slightly burned
>>> knuckles for a few days.
>>>
>>> In the Winter (like it is now), I actually prefer the engine warm, as my
>>> oil changing station is just an unheated garage, and the warmth keeps me
>>> from freezing. In Summer, I put the vehicle up on ramps, and just let
>>> it sit there for a minimum of two hours, while I go do something else.
>>>
>>> But if you have the grippiness of the Fram, the filter is accessible,
>>> and you changed the filter last time, and tightened it the way you're
>>> supposed to, give it a whirl. For years, I had just by nature used a
>>> wrench, and now just recently I've learned that I don't have to.
>>>
>>> Tom Wenndt
>>>
>>>
>>> "Tom" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>> news:vy7zh.1419$O8.761@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>>>> For the 4 cyl Sonata, the filter is up inside the engine compartment
>>>> and the only access is through a hole in the plastic windage cover
>>>> below the engine. You need the wrench even if the filter is torqued
>>>> normally. In my case, a small twist is all that was needed to loosen
>>>> it after I got the wrench to 'grip' with the rubber helper strip.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Rev. Tom Wenndt" <trwenndt@grics.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:eqi86b02fb0@enews1.newsguy.com...
>>>>> You know, the first time I replace a filter, I need a wrench. Whether
>>>>> it is a new car, or one put on by a dealership, a fast lube place or
>>>>> whatever, they are all on VERY tight.
>>>>>
>>>>> But after that, I tighten it the way the directions tell me to - and
>>>>> ONLY by hand. Funny thing is, after that, unless it is so buried I
>>>>> can't get my hand on it, I can always remove all my filters by hand -
>>>>> I don't need a wrench and none of them have ever leaked, felt loose,
>>>>> or come off.
>>>>>
>>>>> So if you got if off the first time, your troubles may be over - IF
>>>>> you're tightening it the way you're supposed to, and can get your hand
>>>>> on the filter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom Wenndt
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Tom" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1XRyh.395$I8.325@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>>>>>> My filter wrench is the end type and also doesn't quite fit the
>>>>>> filter. It slips so I took a piece of rubber tubing and laid it
>>>>>> across the wrench and then pressed it against the filter. Off it
>>>>>> came!!!! It just needed a little shim to fit that wierd size filter.
>>>>>> Is this a scheme to lock us into the dealer? I have a whole shelf
>>>>>> of filter wrenches collected over the years and none fit it.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "taters2" <carl.n@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:0fa178fd5f9926059e76d8b84c4edcf3@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
>>>>>>> On the Kia You must use a End type filter wrench on a Rachet
>>>>>>> extention , It
>>>>>>> is an 06 4 cylinder 2.4 litre. I have a wrench thats very close but
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>> cigar!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Rev. Tom Wenndt

No, no, no, no, no - I did get what you said. But I get the impression that
there are more than a few people (and maybe a few of those fast oil change
places) that must be using a wrench to tighten those things.

I asked you that question, because you clearly are one of the people that
"get it."

But how come the ones who "get it" are never the ones working at these
places??

Sorry for the misunderstanding. It is hardly the first time my inability to
communicate what I want to say properly has not come through.

Tom Wenndt


"tjnamtiw" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:Wymzh.2691$19.340@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> Hi Tom,
>
> I said I 'NEVER' used a wrench to tighten it. You read me wrong. I've
> crushed a couple filters getting them off, like you said after a dealer or
> quick lube change.
>
> Tom
>
>
> "Rev. Tom Wenndt" <trwenndt@grics.net> wrote in message
> news:eqjc1q01mk0@enews4.newsguy.com...
>> Correct me if I'm wrong, Tom, but IIRC, it is stated on both on the
>> package of a new filter wrench and in the owner's manual that a filter
>> wrench is supposed to be used ONLY for loosening, NEVER for tightening.
>>
>> The way they make those filters anymore, I would be afraid of putting a
>> small puncture in one if I used a wrench to tighten it. I will
>> occasionally do that when I have to loosen one using a wrench, after it
>> was put on at the dealership or fast oil change people.
>>
>> To me, that is a HUGE no-no.
>>
>> Tom Wenndt
>>
>>
>> "Tom" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:Rcazh.1650$B8.1079@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>>> I've never used a wrench to tighten an oil filter for the reason you
>>> state, Rev. IF you can get to it, you can loosen it by hand. Never had
>>> one leak in the hundreds of times I've done it.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Rev. Tom Wenndt" <trwenndt@grics.net> wrote in message
>>> news:eqj7a715u3@enews1.newsguy.com...
>>>>I know that some people have pilloried Fram filters in this group. But
>>>>that is why I continue to use Fram Tough Guard on all my cars. That
>>>>black coating they put on the end of their filters makes it so simple to
>>>>loosen by hand - IF you can get to it.
>>>>
>>>> My daughter has an older Geo Prizm, where the filter is virtually IN
>>>> the exhaust manifold. There I have to let the engine almost completely
>>>> cool, even if I do try to use a wrench or I will have slightly burned
>>>> knuckles for a few days.
>>>>
>>>> In the Winter (like it is now), I actually prefer the engine warm, as
>>>> my oil changing station is just an unheated garage, and the warmth
>>>> keeps me from freezing. In Summer, I put the vehicle up on ramps, and
>>>> just let it sit there for a minimum of two hours, while I go do
>>>> something else.
>>>>
>>>> But if you have the grippiness of the Fram, the filter is accessible,
>>>> and you changed the filter last time, and tightened it the way you're
>>>> supposed to, give it a whirl. For years, I had just by nature used a
>>>> wrench, and now just recently I've learned that I don't have to.
>>>>
>>>> Tom Wenndt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Tom" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:vy7zh.1419$O8.761@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>>>>> For the 4 cyl Sonata, the filter is up inside the engine compartment
>>>>> and the only access is through a hole in the plastic windage cover
>>>>> below the engine. You need the wrench even if the filter is torqued
>>>>> normally. In my case, a small twist is all that was needed to loosen
>>>>> it after I got the wrench to 'grip' with the rubber helper strip.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Rev. Tom Wenndt" <trwenndt@grics.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:eqi86b02fb0@enews1.newsguy.com...
>>>>>> You know, the first time I replace a filter, I need a wrench.
>>>>>> Whether it is a new car, or one put on by a dealership, a fast lube
>>>>>> place or whatever, they are all on VERY tight.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But after that, I tighten it the way the directions tell me to - and
>>>>>> ONLY by hand. Funny thing is, after that, unless it is so buried I
>>>>>> can't get my hand on it, I can always remove all my filters by hand -
>>>>>> I don't need a wrench and none of them have ever leaked, felt loose,
>>>>>> or come off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So if you got if off the first time, your troubles may be over - IF
>>>>>> you're tightening it the way you're supposed to, and can get your
>>>>>> hand on the filter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom Wenndt
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Tom" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:1XRyh.395$I8.325@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>>>>>>> My filter wrench is the end type and also doesn't quite fit the
>>>>>>> filter. It slips so I took a piece of rubber tubing and laid it
>>>>>>> across the wrench and then pressed it against the filter. Off it
>>>>>>> came!!!! It just needed a little shim to fit that wierd size filter.
>>>>>>> Is this a scheme to lock us into the dealer? I have a whole shelf
>>>>>>> of filter wrenches collected over the years and none fit it.....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "taters2" <carl.n@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:0fa178fd5f9926059e76d8b84c4edcf3@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
>>>>>>>> On the Kia You must use a End type filter wrench on a Rachet
>>>>>>>> extention , It
>>>>>>>> is an 06 4 cylinder 2.4 litre. I have a wrench thats very close but
>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>> cigar!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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