One Week Old Santa Fe - Engine Failure - HELP!
I need your advice! My sister bought a 2004 Santa Fe last week and
after driving it for one week, the engine seized. They *think* they know the cause, but they are not sure. The dealership tells her all they can do is replace the engine, then they want to keep it on the lot for a few weeks to monitor it to make sure there are no more problems. My sister is livid. She bought a new car and traded in an older one that was no longer reliable. She thought a brand new car ensured reliability (I guess not the case!), now she will be stuck with a lemon. She is attempting to get the dealership to replace the vehicle (or do a trade at her loss, since she does not want the lemon). She called Hyundai Canada to see what their policy is, and they said they do not 'replace' vehicles, only fix them. I guess they do not have any kind of policy that if you own the vehicle for a certain time frame and an obvious manufacturer/assembly problem causes a problem, you get a replacement car. What kind of rights does my sister have in this case? If they refuse a trade/replacement vehicle, can she take them or Hyundai Canada to court and sue to get a new car? Thanks! Paula |
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"Paula" <pokee@shaw.ca> ha scritto nel messaggio news:3da73f8d.0409202145.186d169a@posting.google.c om... > I need your advice! What did it happen exactly to engine? Quite rare such an evenience like that one you wrote... Zotto |
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Don't want to aggravate you further, but i've had dealings with Hyundai
Canada and they are terrible to deal with. Had some upholstery coming off an armrest 3 days after I picked up my car and they denied the repair. They will exercise the warranty down to a T and say that the engine will need to be replaced/ordered. The most you can do is probably get a loaner from them for the time it takes to get it fixed. Maybe they'll pay for a rental but you will have to be persistent with your dealer and head office. Doron "Paula" <pokee@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3da73f8d.0409202145.186d169a@posting.google.c om... >I need your advice! My sister bought a 2004 Santa Fe last week and > after driving it for one week, the engine seized. They *think* they > know the cause, but they are not sure. The dealership tells her all > they can do is replace the engine, then they want to keep it on the > lot for a few weeks to monitor it to make sure there are no more > problems. > > My sister is livid. She bought a new car and traded in an older one > that was no longer reliable. She thought a brand new car ensured > reliability (I guess not the case!), now she will be stuck with a > lemon. > > She is attempting to get the dealership to replace the vehicle (or do > a trade at her loss, since she does not want the lemon). She called > Hyundai Canada to see what their policy is, and they said they do not > 'replace' vehicles, only fix them. I guess they do not have any kind > of policy that if you own the vehicle for a certain time frame and an > obvious manufacturer/assembly problem causes a problem, you get a > replacement car. > > What kind of rights does my sister have in this case? If they refuse > a trade/replacement vehicle, can she take them or Hyundai Canada to > court and sue to get a new car? > > Thanks! > Paula |
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Why would another car be any better than fixing the one you have?
Effectively, they're both brand new and they'll be putting brand new parts in the one you have in order to repair it. Sure, it's disconcerting to have the problem in the first place, but there's no benefit to replacing the whole vehicle. If cars didn't have problems, you wouldn't need a warranty. My advice is to relax and let them fix the car. A competent dealer will do a fine job. It would be nice (although not part of the warranty coverage) for Hyundai to provide you with a substitute vehicle until yours is repaired. If you're persistent, you'll probably get that. ("You" and "your" refer to the vehicle owner). |
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What exactly is the cause of the engine failure? Hyundai should be
providing your sister with a loaner vehicle, be sure to demand it because they are not very giving. My mother has a 2004 Santa Fe that she bought 4 months ago and it has been at the dealership for the last month with a blown engine. They are saying that because she took it to an independent garage for her first oil change, they started to engine with no oil. That's not true because she was there the whole time. Yet Hyundai would only allow the dealership to remove the bottom part of the engine to reveal "scored bearings" they have been very hesitant with disassembling the rest of the engine although they know there is a problem on top of the engine. We feel it is a defective part within and Hyundai has chosen to void her warranty and wants her to pay $10,000 for a new engine. Beware of the Hyundai warranty. After doing much research, warranty problems are the biggest complaint with consumers that have engine and/or transmission problems. I've had my 2004 Santa Fe in 3 times for transmission problems already. Please find out what they are saying is wrong with the engine, I'm curious to know. They have expressed to us that the Santa Fe's "never have engine problems" and that's why they are blaming her for the cause. |
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DO you know what caused the engine failure? Demand an explanation from the
dealership. My mother's 2004 Santa Fe has been at the dealership for the past 4 weeks with engine failure, although they are blaming it on the garage that did her 1st oil change. They are trying to say that the garage started the car with no oil during the oil change which is not the case because my mother was there the entire time the oil was being changed. Her bearings are severly scorred and for some reason, Hyundai is very hesitant about looking at the top of the engine although they know there are additional problems. They want her to pay $10,000 to replace the engine. She has 3147 miles on it. Beware of Hyundai's warranty also, they would not even look at the SUV for 2 weeks because it has an "aftermarket" oil filter on it and they want to completely void out her warranty because of it. Please let me know what you find out, i'm very curious to know the cause. |
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I would think the dealership stands to make a ton of money in labor
costs replacing the engine, so I doubt they will even attempt to try to replace the entire vehicle. Money makes the world go round, and even at the expense of others, they will try to suck in as much money as they can. The Hyundai dealer actually tried to take me to court because they found out they undercharged me by $40.00 when I bought my '04 Sonata. Now I wouldn't even let them clean my ash try (if I smoked) I go to a different dealer On 20 Sep 2004 22:45:06 -0700, pokee@shaw.ca (Paula) wrote: >I need your advice! My sister bought a 2004 Santa Fe last week and >after driving it for one week, the engine seized. They *think* they >know the cause, but they are not sure. The dealership tells her all >they can do is replace the engine, then they want to keep it on the >lot for a few weeks to monitor it to make sure there are no more >problems. > >My sister is livid. She bought a new car and traded in an older one >that was no longer reliable. She thought a brand new car ensured >reliability (I guess not the case!), now she will be stuck with a >lemon. > >She is attempting to get the dealership to replace the vehicle (or do >a trade at her loss, since she does not want the lemon). She called >Hyundai Canada to see what their policy is, and they said they do not >'replace' vehicles, only fix them. I guess they do not have any kind >of policy that if you own the vehicle for a certain time frame and an >obvious manufacturer/assembly problem causes a problem, you get a >replacement car. > >What kind of rights does my sister have in this case? If they refuse >a trade/replacement vehicle, can she take them or Hyundai Canada to >court and sue to get a new car? > >Thanks! >Paula |
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me wrote:
> I would think the dealership stands to make a ton of money in labor > costs replacing the engine, so I doubt they will even attempt to try > to replace the entire vehicle. Money makes the world go round, and > even at the expense of others, they will try to suck in as much money > as they can. Actually, they are paid by the job and typically the money paid by Hyundai for such work is barely enough to break even, if that. That's one reason why car dealers in general are not fond of doing warranty work. They make their money on work that gets billed by the hour and on quick service items like oil changes and scheduled services. > The Hyundai dealer actually tried to take me to court > because they found out they undercharged me by $40.00 when I bought my > '04 Sonata. Now I wouldn't even let them clean my ash try (if I > smoked) I go to a different dealer $40??? That dealership qualifies as "moron of the month". |
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Has the dealership told you exactly what is wrong with the vehicle? I am
very curious because my mom's 3 month old Santa Fe (3147 miles) engine just blew and it's been at the dealership for a month now. It happened 2 weeks and 285 miles after her first oil change. Hyundai won't honor her warranty though because she went to an independent garage and there's an "aftermarket" filter on the vehicle. Please let me know what they say is wrong with the vehicle. Thanks |
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yes we know the vehicles Hyundai sell are shitty...... lol signed
General Motors |
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They won't honor it because of an aftermarket filter? That would
really suck. The more I hear about Hyundai, the more I regret buying this '04 Sonata (I get my oil changed every 3,000 miles, but never at the Hyundai dealership, so I guess I'd be screwed also if I develop engine problems) On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 21:45:41 -0400, "kjs" <superb9571@aol.com> wrote: >Has the dealership told you exactly what is wrong with the vehicle? I am >very curious because my mom's 3 month old Santa Fe (3147 miles) engine >just blew and it's been at the dealership for a month now. It happened 2 >weeks and 285 miles after her first oil change. Hyundai won't honor her >warranty though because she went to an independent garage and there's an >"aftermarket" filter on the vehicle. Please let me know what they say is >wrong with the vehicle. >Thanks > |
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I don't even know where to start here so I'll try to start from what I
think is the begining. 1st, I currently own an 02 SantaFe with 25K miles on it with no problems. 2. I do all my own oil changes (and most maintenance items) that are not covered by a warranty. 3. I always use a factory flter during the warranty period (less than $4 a change and most quick lube places will be more then happy to use it and discount your service). 4. It is COMMON for quick lube type places to let you drive off without oil in the engine. I would guess about 5% of the time it happens and it WILL burn the bearings (othewise they wont be burnt,except for maybe an oil pump problem). 5. The main question here is how long after you left the oil change shop did the car stop? Most cars will fail before 10 miles (and alarms will be going off too BTW). 6. DOA engines are not uncommon either, I would guess <1% of ALL engines not just Hyundia's are DOA. 3000 plus miles is NOT DOA, so SOMETHING happened. Most likely oil related. What should happen? Well, if your lucky, Hyundai will replace the engine, you will get a loaner car and life goes on. That is the most likely outcome. If you feel like its a lemon, dump it with 5K miles on it and cut your losses. Good Luck, and Hyundai DOES make good cars and engines (I know, I've owned 2 current models and have been very impressed with the quality). On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 20:05:33 GMT, noemail@here.com (me) wrote: >They won't honor it because of an aftermarket filter? That would >really suck. The more I hear about Hyundai, the more I regret buying >this '04 Sonata (I get my oil changed every 3,000 miles, but never at >the Hyundai dealership, so I guess I'd be screwed also if I develop >engine problems) > >On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 21:45:41 -0400, "kjs" <superb9571@aol.com> wrote: > >>Has the dealership told you exactly what is wrong with the vehicle? I am >>very curious because my mom's 3 month old Santa Fe (3147 miles) engine >>just blew and it's been at the dealership for a month now. It happened 2 >>weeks and 285 miles after her first oil change. Hyundai won't honor her >>warranty though because she went to an independent garage and there's an >>"aftermarket" filter on the vehicle. Please let me know what they say is >>wrong with the vehicle. >>Thanks >> |
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Absolutely stand by having the dealer tell you specifically what caused the
failure. I have heard of cases of oil filters not allowing enough oil to the engine, but have not seen any. The only way I can see that this wouldn't be a warranty issue is if there were some problem with the filter or oil or installation at the lube place. |
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I would think that refusing to fix the problem because a non-factory oil
filter was used is illegal. Sure, there are better filters than others out there, but they all do the basic job (assuming they fit your vehicle). So short of the oil draining out of the engine because the shop screwed something up when you had your oil changed, this is a warranty repair, big time!!! Kevin "hyundaitech" <howitsac@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:ba905e62b03e9c68983cdf96ebd2fccd@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com... > Absolutely stand by having the dealer tell you specifically what caused the > failure. I have heard of cases of oil filters not allowing enough oil to > the engine, but have not seen any. The only way I can see that this > wouldn't be a warranty issue is if there were some problem with the filter > or oil or installation at the lube place. > |
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If the filter caused the failure, then there's the issue. The manufacturer
is not responsible for any filter other than theirs. On the other hand, if the manufacturer can't show how the filter/oil/installation caused the failure, they lose in court very quickly. |
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