Bob Adkins

HT,

Back in March, I had 2 TSB's taken care of in 6 hours on my 06 Sonata
V6.

*The rear shocks were changed to cure the K-Thunk

*The timing chain tensioner spring was replaced

*Oil and filter was changed

I was delighted with the fast service. I told my service desk guy that
was a very quick job for dropping the engine. He replied that they do
the job without dropping the engine.

A Hyundai tech on another forum said it's an all day job, and they
drop the engine. He did not know it was possible to do the job without
dropping it.

Now I'm wondering!

Does your shop drop the engine, or not?

Thanks,,,
-

Bob

hyundaitech

We drop 'em. It's relatively easy to do. Unhook the wire harness, some
vacuum and fluid lines, disconnect the rack from the steering column,
place the subframe on a stand, unbolt the subframe and raise the car.
Everything is then easily accessible to do a nice, clean job. The last
one I did was on an Azera, and with the exception of the new RTV sealer,
it was nearly impossible to tell it had been worked on.

I've heard tell that some people don't drop the engine, but after looking
at the space available and the amount of hand tool work that would be
necessary in tight spaces, I reached the conclusion that it wasn't worth
trying.

Bob Adkins

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:05:30 -0400, "hyundaitech"
<notpublic@not.public.com> wrote:

>We drop 'em. It's relatively easy to do. Unhook the wire harness, some
>vacuum and fluid lines, disconnect the rack from the steering column,
>place the subframe on a stand, unbolt the subframe and raise the car.
>Everything is then easily accessible to do a nice, clean job. The last
>one I did was on an Azera, and with the exception of the new RTV sealer,
>it was nearly impossible to tell it had been worked on.
>
>I've heard tell that some people don't drop the engine, but after looking
>at the space available and the amount of hand tool work that would be
>necessary in tight spaces, I reached the conclusion that it wasn't worth
>trying.

Thanks HT.

Maybe my dealer has a contortionist midget technician.

They did a great job though. No leaks, scratches, rattles, or oil
stains on the carpet. I'm happy as a clam.
-

Bob

Shaman

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> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:05:30 -0400, "hyundaitech"
> <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote:
>
>>We drop 'em. It's relatively easy to do. Unhook the wire harness, some
>>vacuum and fluid lines, disconnect the rack from the steering column,
>>place the subframe on a stand, unbolt the subframe and raise the car.
>>Everything is then easily accessible to do a nice, clean job. The last
>>one I did was on an Azera, and with the exception of the new RTV sealer,
>>it was nearly impossible to tell it had been worked on.
>>
>>I've heard tell that some people don't drop the engine, but after looking
>>at the space available and the amount of hand tool work that would be
>>necessary in tight spaces, I reached the conclusion that it wasn't worth
>>trying.
>
> Thanks HT.
>
> Maybe my dealer has a contortionist midget technician.
>
> They did a great job though. No leaks, scratches, rattles, or oil
> stains on the carpet. I'm happy as a clam.
> -
>
> Bob

And how happy is a clam???!!!???

;-)

Shaman

Bob Adkins

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:56:19 -0400, "Shaman"
<shaman2milleDoNotSpamMeOrIWillPutyouOnMyBlackList @yahoo.com> wrote:


>And how happy is a clam???!!!???

Well,,, clams are just 1 big grin, so they look very happy to me.
-

Bob

PMDR

You're lucky. I had that same TSB done and I am still finding stuff
damaged or fumbled by the dealer. Missing bolt on the engine cover
(which no longer actually fits properly anyway), disconnected wiring
harness, disabled alarm sensors, underbody plastic trim missing
retaining bolts... and the engine still shakes like an earthquake and
makes racket on startup.

Most recently, I tried to change my own oil. It was all peachy until
it came time to drain the old oil. I have NO idea what the !@#$ they
did to my oil drain plug. It's like they welded it to the pan. It
will not budge.


On Jul 18, 11:36 am, Bob Adkins <bob.adk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Maybe my dealer has a contortionist midget technician.
>
> They did a great job though. No leaks, scratches, rattles, or oil
> stains on the carpet. I'm happy as a clam.
> -
>
> Bob

Bob Adkins

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 08:09:15 -0000, PMDR <kikaiju@gmail.com> wrote:

>You're lucky. I had that same TSB done and I am still finding stuff
>damaged or fumbled by the dealer. Missing bolt on the engine cover
>(which no longer actually fits properly anyway), disconnected wiring
>harness, disabled alarm sensors, underbody plastic trim missing
>retaining bolts... and the engine still shakes like an earthquake and
>makes racket on startup.
>
>Most recently, I tried to change my own oil. It was all peachy until
>it came time to drain the old oil. I have NO idea what the !@#$ they
>did to my oil drain plug. It's like they welded it to the pan. It
>will not budge.

I didn't take that TSB lightly. It's a major procedure, and I was very
concerned about "collateral damage".

It must be getting harder and harder to find competent mechanics.
People seem to be getting more and more afraid to get their cars
worked on, even by the dealer.

Just to show you how incompetent employees can be, I had 3 botched
dealer oil changes in a row.

1. Used 20w50 instead of 5w20 or 10w30
2. Shorted me 4-3/4 Qt's of oil (!!!)
3. Shorted me 1 Qt. of oil
-

Bob

Edwin Pawlowski

"Bob Adkins" <bob@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>
> It must be getting harder and harder to find competent mechanics.
> People seem to be getting more and more afraid to get their cars
> worked on, even by the dealer.

Times are changing I guess. Many schools have eliminated shop programs and
lessened vocational training. As teenagers, most of us guys lived and
breathed cars. All we wanted to do was get a hold of one, customize it,
make it faster, make it better looking than the other kids. Today, kids
would rather play video games and text message each other.

IMO, a good mechanic's diagnostic skill is right up there with a doctors.
Yes, you can plug in diagnostic tools now, but often, experience is what is
needed. If you find a good mechanic, stick with him, don't complain about
his shop rate, and hope he is still around the next time you need work done.

Every Saturday night in our town they have the Street Car Cruises. Lots of
nice restored and customized cars. Every one of the owners, with few
exceptions is over the age of 50. Just not enough motorheads around any
more.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/

Bob Adkins

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 02:41:46 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net>
wrote:


>Every Saturday night in our town they have the Street Car Cruises. Lots of
>nice restored and customized cars. Every one of the owners, with few
>exceptions is over the age of 50. Just not enough motorheads around any
>more.

You've got that right. I used to be a real gear head, and yea, I'm
over 50.

I loved cars so much that I took a night course in auto mechanics at
votech for 3 long years. I loved cars, and could quote you bore,
stroke, crank journal diameter, valve face angles, etc. I really lived
and breathed cars. Then I got married, and had to go back to school
and change careers to make more money. Sometimes I wish I would have
stayed with cars. The money would have eventually came.

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Bob

Edwin Pawlowski

"Bob Adkins" <bob@nowhere.net> wrote in message
> I loved cars so much that I took a night course in auto mechanics at
> votech for 3 long years. I loved cars, and could quote you bore,
> stroke, crank journal diameter, valve face angles, etc. I really lived
> and breathed cars. Then I got married, and had to go back to school
> and change careers to make more money. Sometimes I wish I would have
> stayed with cars. The money would have eventually came.
>
> -
>
> Bob

I've not kept up with the wage scale, but I've seen where a good technician
can make a very good wage in the right places. It is a skill and they
should be paid accordingly. A few years ago I recall seeing some ads
where a Florida dealership was offering signing bonuses over $10,000.