Pump in Tank
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Re: Pump in Tank
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
>
>>It certainly doesn't hurt to refill before 1/4 tank if that makes you feel
>>better, but I personally think it is making extra fuel stops for no good
>>reason.
>
>
> I usually fill more often in the winter. It just means I have a shorter
> time to stand outside pumping the gas and freezing my *** off. The self
> service savings myth has taken on quite a life over the years. In MA, some
> towns do not allow self serve. The stations selling full serve are the same
> price as the self serves down the street in the next town.
But it means you stand outside in the cold more often! I tend to fill
up more in the winter also, but the reason is that I like to have more
gas reserve in case I get stuck or something and have to spend the night
in the car.
Matt
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
>
>>It certainly doesn't hurt to refill before 1/4 tank if that makes you feel
>>better, but I personally think it is making extra fuel stops for no good
>>reason.
>
>
> I usually fill more often in the winter. It just means I have a shorter
> time to stand outside pumping the gas and freezing my *** off. The self
> service savings myth has taken on quite a life over the years. In MA, some
> towns do not allow self serve. The stations selling full serve are the same
> price as the self serves down the street in the next town.
But it means you stand outside in the cold more often! I tend to fill
up more in the winter also, but the reason is that I like to have more
gas reserve in case I get stuck or something and have to spend the night
in the car.
Matt
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Re: Pump in Tank
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
>
>>It certainly doesn't hurt to refill before 1/4 tank if that makes you feel
>>better, but I personally think it is making extra fuel stops for no good
>>reason.
>
>
> I usually fill more often in the winter. It just means I have a shorter
> time to stand outside pumping the gas and freezing my *** off. The self
> service savings myth has taken on quite a life over the years. In MA, some
> towns do not allow self serve. The stations selling full serve are the same
> price as the self serves down the street in the next town.
But it means you stand outside in the cold more often! I tend to fill
up more in the winter also, but the reason is that I like to have more
gas reserve in case I get stuck or something and have to spend the night
in the car.
Matt
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
>
>>It certainly doesn't hurt to refill before 1/4 tank if that makes you feel
>>better, but I personally think it is making extra fuel stops for no good
>>reason.
>
>
> I usually fill more often in the winter. It just means I have a shorter
> time to stand outside pumping the gas and freezing my *** off. The self
> service savings myth has taken on quite a life over the years. In MA, some
> towns do not allow self serve. The stations selling full serve are the same
> price as the self serves down the street in the next town.
But it means you stand outside in the cold more often! I tend to fill
up more in the winter also, but the reason is that I like to have more
gas reserve in case I get stuck or something and have to spend the night
in the car.
Matt
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Re: Pump in Tank
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
>> It certainly doesn't hurt to refill before 1/4 tank if that makes you feel
>> better, but I personally think it is making extra fuel stops for no good
>> reason.
>
> I usually fill more often in the winter. It just means I have a shorter
> time to stand outside pumping the gas and freezing my *** off.
You can always start the pump, then sit in the car while it fills the
tank. It the station is one of the stupid ones that removes the latches
from the pump handles, use your gas cap or one of the devices made for
holding the pump lever to keep the pump running while you sit in the
car. For that matter, you can make one really easily.
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
>> It certainly doesn't hurt to refill before 1/4 tank if that makes you feel
>> better, but I personally think it is making extra fuel stops for no good
>> reason.
>
> I usually fill more often in the winter. It just means I have a shorter
> time to stand outside pumping the gas and freezing my *** off.
You can always start the pump, then sit in the car while it fills the
tank. It the station is one of the stupid ones that removes the latches
from the pump handles, use your gas cap or one of the devices made for
holding the pump lever to keep the pump running while you sit in the
car. For that matter, you can make one really easily.
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Re: Pump in Tank
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
>> It certainly doesn't hurt to refill before 1/4 tank if that makes you feel
>> better, but I personally think it is making extra fuel stops for no good
>> reason.
>
> I usually fill more often in the winter. It just means I have a shorter
> time to stand outside pumping the gas and freezing my *** off.
You can always start the pump, then sit in the car while it fills the
tank. It the station is one of the stupid ones that removes the latches
from the pump handles, use your gas cap or one of the devices made for
holding the pump lever to keep the pump running while you sit in the
car. For that matter, you can make one really easily.
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
>> It certainly doesn't hurt to refill before 1/4 tank if that makes you feel
>> better, but I personally think it is making extra fuel stops for no good
>> reason.
>
> I usually fill more often in the winter. It just means I have a shorter
> time to stand outside pumping the gas and freezing my *** off.
You can always start the pump, then sit in the car while it fills the
tank. It the station is one of the stupid ones that removes the latches
from the pump handles, use your gas cap or one of the devices made for
holding the pump lever to keep the pump running while you sit in the
car. For that matter, you can make one really easily.
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Re: Pump in Tank
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "Darby OGill" <bark@woof.net> wrote in message
>> 4.......much more expensive to replace ! Is a shaft driven mechanical
>> pump obsolete ? Why ? They can't rob that much power, can they?
>
> I recall replacing a few of those old mechancial pumps. Maybe I've been
> lucky, but I've yet to replace an in tank electric.
I agree that electric pumps are more reliable. I've replaced one in 30+
years of driving and I typically drive my cars over 150K miles. The one
I replaced was in a '79 Saab and it was a known problem with the pumps
they used.
> "Darby OGill" <bark@woof.net> wrote in message
>> 4.......much more expensive to replace ! Is a shaft driven mechanical
>> pump obsolete ? Why ? They can't rob that much power, can they?
>
> I recall replacing a few of those old mechancial pumps. Maybe I've been
> lucky, but I've yet to replace an in tank electric.
I agree that electric pumps are more reliable. I've replaced one in 30+
years of driving and I typically drive my cars over 150K miles. The one
I replaced was in a '79 Saab and it was a known problem with the pumps
they used.
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Re: Pump in Tank
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "Darby OGill" <bark@woof.net> wrote in message
>> 4.......much more expensive to replace ! Is a shaft driven mechanical
>> pump obsolete ? Why ? They can't rob that much power, can they?
>
> I recall replacing a few of those old mechancial pumps. Maybe I've been
> lucky, but I've yet to replace an in tank electric.
I agree that electric pumps are more reliable. I've replaced one in 30+
years of driving and I typically drive my cars over 150K miles. The one
I replaced was in a '79 Saab and it was a known problem with the pumps
they used.
> "Darby OGill" <bark@woof.net> wrote in message
>> 4.......much more expensive to replace ! Is a shaft driven mechanical
>> pump obsolete ? Why ? They can't rob that much power, can they?
>
> I recall replacing a few of those old mechancial pumps. Maybe I've been
> lucky, but I've yet to replace an in tank electric.
I agree that electric pumps are more reliable. I've replaced one in 30+
years of driving and I typically drive my cars over 150K miles. The one
I replaced was in a '79 Saab and it was a known problem with the pumps
they used.
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Re: Pump in Tank
"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
> You can always start the pump, then sit in the car while it fills the
> tank. It the station is one of the stupid ones that removes the latches
> from the pump handles, use your gas cap or one of the devices made for
> holding the pump lever to keep the pump running while you sit in the car.
> For that matter, you can make one really easily.
I do that often even in good weather so I can clean the windshield or
whatever. Hard to find a pump with a latch these days but there is one I
station I use often. The Self Serve pumps also seem to pump slower than the
older ones too.
The one Shell station go use has a printed warning on the handle not to
leave the pump. The fear is static shock when you get out of the car in
winter and cause an arc. I always ground myself getting out anyway. .
This was interesting.
http://www.pei.org/static/
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Re: Pump in Tank
"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
> You can always start the pump, then sit in the car while it fills the
> tank. It the station is one of the stupid ones that removes the latches
> from the pump handles, use your gas cap or one of the devices made for
> holding the pump lever to keep the pump running while you sit in the car.
> For that matter, you can make one really easily.
I do that often even in good weather so I can clean the windshield or
whatever. Hard to find a pump with a latch these days but there is one I
station I use often. The Self Serve pumps also seem to pump slower than the
older ones too.
The one Shell station go use has a printed warning on the handle not to
leave the pump. The fear is static shock when you get out of the car in
winter and cause an arc. I always ground myself getting out anyway. .
This was interesting.
http://www.pei.org/static/
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Those warnings are for real. Gas fires have happened because of the static
discharge upon leaving the vehicle to return the nozzle. First
recommendation is to not re-enter the vehicle until you're finished
pumping. Second recommendation is to be sure you're discharged prior to
returning to the nozzle area.
discharge upon leaving the vehicle to return the nozzle. First
recommendation is to not re-enter the vehicle until you're finished
pumping. Second recommendation is to be sure you're discharged prior to
returning to the nozzle area.
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Re: Pump in Tank
Those warnings are for real. Gas fires have happened because of the static
discharge upon leaving the vehicle to return the nozzle. First
recommendation is to not re-enter the vehicle until you're finished
pumping. Second recommendation is to be sure you're discharged prior to
returning to the nozzle area.
discharge upon leaving the vehicle to return the nozzle. First
recommendation is to not re-enter the vehicle until you're finished
pumping. Second recommendation is to be sure you're discharged prior to
returning to the nozzle area.
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Re: Pump in Tank
Brian Nystrom wrote:
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>> taters2 wrote:
>>
>>> Has everyone went to the fuel pump in tank and why?
>>
>>
>> Less chance of vapor lock is one reason.
>
>
> Fuel injection pretty much eliminated that problem, though your point is
> still valid.
I haven't seen a fuel injector yet that takes fuel direction from the
tank and injects it into the engine. The fuel needs to get from the
tank to the point of injection so there is still lots of fuel line that
can vapor lock if not under pressure or with sufficent flow. Fuel
injection doesn't change much with respect to vapor lock.
Matt
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>> taters2 wrote:
>>
>>> Has everyone went to the fuel pump in tank and why?
>>
>>
>> Less chance of vapor lock is one reason.
>
>
> Fuel injection pretty much eliminated that problem, though your point is
> still valid.
I haven't seen a fuel injector yet that takes fuel direction from the
tank and injects it into the engine. The fuel needs to get from the
tank to the point of injection so there is still lots of fuel line that
can vapor lock if not under pressure or with sufficent flow. Fuel
injection doesn't change much with respect to vapor lock.
Matt
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Re: Pump in Tank
Brian Nystrom wrote:
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>> taters2 wrote:
>>
>>> Has everyone went to the fuel pump in tank and why?
>>
>>
>> Less chance of vapor lock is one reason.
>
>
> Fuel injection pretty much eliminated that problem, though your point is
> still valid.
I haven't seen a fuel injector yet that takes fuel direction from the
tank and injects it into the engine. The fuel needs to get from the
tank to the point of injection so there is still lots of fuel line that
can vapor lock if not under pressure or with sufficent flow. Fuel
injection doesn't change much with respect to vapor lock.
Matt
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>> taters2 wrote:
>>
>>> Has everyone went to the fuel pump in tank and why?
>>
>>
>> Less chance of vapor lock is one reason.
>
>
> Fuel injection pretty much eliminated that problem, though your point is
> still valid.
I haven't seen a fuel injector yet that takes fuel direction from the
tank and injects it into the engine. The fuel needs to get from the
tank to the point of injection so there is still lots of fuel line that
can vapor lock if not under pressure or with sufficent flow. Fuel
injection doesn't change much with respect to vapor lock.
Matt
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Re: Pump in Tank
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
>>You can always start the pump, then sit in the car while it fills the
>>tank. It the station is one of the stupid ones that removes the latches
>>from the pump handles, use your gas cap or one of the devices made for
>>holding the pump lever to keep the pump running while you sit in the car.
>>For that matter, you can make one really easily.
>
>
> I do that often even in good weather so I can clean the windshield or
> whatever. Hard to find a pump with a latch these days but there is one I
> station I use often. The Self Serve pumps also seem to pump slower than the
> older ones too.
>
> The one Shell station go use has a printed warning on the handle not to
> leave the pump. The fear is static shock when you get out of the car in
> winter and cause an arc. I always ground myself getting out anyway. .
> This was interesting.
> http://www.pei.org/static/
Preventing fuel spills is also a big concern. If the automatic shut-off
fails, a lot of gas can be spilled by the time you realize it when you
are on the other side of the car washing windows.
Matt
> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
>>You can always start the pump, then sit in the car while it fills the
>>tank. It the station is one of the stupid ones that removes the latches
>>from the pump handles, use your gas cap or one of the devices made for
>>holding the pump lever to keep the pump running while you sit in the car.
>>For that matter, you can make one really easily.
>
>
> I do that often even in good weather so I can clean the windshield or
> whatever. Hard to find a pump with a latch these days but there is one I
> station I use often. The Self Serve pumps also seem to pump slower than the
> older ones too.
>
> The one Shell station go use has a printed warning on the handle not to
> leave the pump. The fear is static shock when you get out of the car in
> winter and cause an arc. I always ground myself getting out anyway. .
> This was interesting.
> http://www.pei.org/static/
Preventing fuel spills is also a big concern. If the automatic shut-off
fails, a lot of gas can be spilled by the time you realize it when you
are on the other side of the car washing windows.
Matt
