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Mike O'Donnell wrote:
> "hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
> news:ddb5616c402656d44c20b9f640ba786f@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
> > I've tried to send emails from the site to you. You may have the same
> > issues, don't know. Also, the e-mails may not contain the info the
> > subject line indicates. I did a test of this once before, and what I
> > received was not what I mailed myself.
> >
> > You may want to make sure you have pop-up blocking off when trying to view
> > these pages if you haven't done that already.
> >
>
> I haven't received anything in my hotmail account. I have tried turning
> off the pop-up blockers, making sure the IE settings are set to display
> images, etc. The odd thing is that different places on the HMAservice where
> photos are displyed, I see them. It only looks like drawings, diagrams,
> etc. aren't showing up. Internet Explorer shows the generic picture icon,
> but it's not the "broken" icon, so IE does recognize that an image is there,
> it just doesn't display it. Do you know what file format they use for the
> drawings?. I sent an email to their feedback site, hopefully they will come
> back with some info.
>
> Something else really strange. If I select the year to 2002 or 2001 models,
> I can see some of the drawings. Still not all of them, but some. I was
> able to get the "Starting System Schematics" for 2002. Should that be the
> same for the 2003? Also, is there somewhere I can get the wiring color
> codes?
>
> In another note, I've seen references to an "immobilizer control system" on
> the Santa Fe 2002-2006 (I have a 2003). The shop information on hmaservice
> references a transponder built into the ignition key, but I know mine
> doesn't have it; I've use simple flat keys from my local hardware store,
> made for $2.
> The reason I'm asking is that the remote starter website references an alarm
> bypass module (additional cost) that you put a spare key into. According to
> their system the 2003 Santa Fe needs this module.
>
> Thanks.
> Mike O.

nealb4me@gmail.com

Mike O'Donnell wrote:
> "hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
> news:ddb5616c402656d44c20b9f640ba786f@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
> > I've tried to send emails from the site to you. You may have the same
> > issues, don't know. Also, the e-mails may not contain the info the
> > subject line indicates. I did a test of this once before, and what I
> > received was not what I mailed myself.
> >
> > You may want to make sure you have pop-up blocking off when trying to view
> > these pages if you haven't done that already.
> >
>
> I haven't received anything in my hotmail account. I have tried turning
> off the pop-up blockers, making sure the IE settings are set to display
> images, etc. The odd thing is that different places on the HMAservice where
> photos are displyed, I see them. It only looks like drawings, diagrams,
> etc. aren't showing up. Internet Explorer shows the generic picture icon,
> but it's not the "broken" icon, so IE does recognize that an image is there,
> it just doesn't display it. Do you know what file format they use for the
> drawings?. I sent an email to their feedback site, hopefully they will come
> back with some info.
>
> Something else really strange. If I select the year to 2002 or 2001 models,
> I can see some of the drawings. Still not all of them, but some. I was
> able to get the "Starting System Schematics" for 2002. Should that be the
> same for the 2003? Also, is there somewhere I can get the wiring color
> codes?
>
> In another note, I've seen references to an "immobilizer control system" on
> the Santa Fe 2002-2006 (I have a 2003). The shop information on hmaservice
> references a transponder built into the ignition key, but I know mine
> doesn't have it; I've use simple flat keys from my local hardware store,
> made for $2.
> The reason I'm asking is that the remote starter website references an alarm
> bypass module (additional cost) that you put a spare key into. According to
> their system the 2003 Santa Fe needs this module.
>
> Thanks.
> Mike O.

Mike O'Donnell

"hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
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> If you have the 2.4 or 2.7, the '01 and '02 schematics should be the same,
> I believe.
>
> Here's the wire codes I remember off the top of my head:
> B-black, G-green, L-blue, P-pink, R-red, Y-yellow.
>
> If you lock your vehicle with your factory keyless remote, the vehicle
> won't start unless it's unlocked with that remote. I don't particularly
> see why you'd need a key in a module somewhere, however. The immobilizer
> wasn't used on Santa Fes in the U.S.
>

Thanks for the info. "2003 Power Distribution", the "2002 Charging system",
and the "2002 Starting System" schematics. Now that I know that the letters
are the color codes, it should make it easier. Here are some of the other
letter's I've seen in the diagrams. Can you confirm my guesses:
O - Orange?
Lg/B Light green & Black?
Br - Brown?
W - White?

Also, just out of curiousity, do the numbers in front of the color code
indicate some kind of wire size code? On several of the diagrams I see
designations like "3.0L", "2.0Lg/B", ".85R", etc.

One more question about the schematics. On the drawings (specifically the
2003 Power Dist), the diagram for the ignition switch shows a standard
rotary switch symbol. It has an arrow from the common point, and an arc
with dots to show the different positions (Lock, Acc, On, Start). On some
of the diagrams there's also a thick line that almost looks hand drawn,
going from one of the positions over toward the next point on the arc. Is
that showing that the circuit is live at both points?

Am I correct that the "immobilzer" was the system that looked for a specific
code chip in the key, and won't start without it? As I understand it, the
bypass module would use a spare key (with the chip) to feed to the computer
module so that it would think the key is in the ignition.

I think the statement that the immobilizer "wasn't used on Santa Fes in the
U.S." is probably the "key" (no pun intended) to why the remote starter web
site says I need one on the 2003. Maybe DesignTech made the assumption that
if they're used anywhere on the 2003 models, DesignTech's web site would
show it as necessary.

I'm off work next week, and the temprature is up to a balmy 40F, so I'll
probably work on it sometime after Christmas. This way I should have it
installed before the January freeze..

Thanks again for all your assistance. Sorry about the length of this post.

Mike O.

Mike O'Donnell

"hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
news:9b3a5a06594c5dd053cfaaf198ab424f@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
> If you have the 2.4 or 2.7, the '01 and '02 schematics should be the same,
> I believe.
>
> Here's the wire codes I remember off the top of my head:
> B-black, G-green, L-blue, P-pink, R-red, Y-yellow.
>
> If you lock your vehicle with your factory keyless remote, the vehicle
> won't start unless it's unlocked with that remote. I don't particularly
> see why you'd need a key in a module somewhere, however. The immobilizer
> wasn't used on Santa Fes in the U.S.
>

Thanks for the info. "2003 Power Distribution", the "2002 Charging system",
and the "2002 Starting System" schematics. Now that I know that the letters
are the color codes, it should make it easier. Here are some of the other
letter's I've seen in the diagrams. Can you confirm my guesses:
O - Orange?
Lg/B Light green & Black?
Br - Brown?
W - White?

Also, just out of curiousity, do the numbers in front of the color code
indicate some kind of wire size code? On several of the diagrams I see
designations like "3.0L", "2.0Lg/B", ".85R", etc.

One more question about the schematics. On the drawings (specifically the
2003 Power Dist), the diagram for the ignition switch shows a standard
rotary switch symbol. It has an arrow from the common point, and an arc
with dots to show the different positions (Lock, Acc, On, Start). On some
of the diagrams there's also a thick line that almost looks hand drawn,
going from one of the positions over toward the next point on the arc. Is
that showing that the circuit is live at both points?

Am I correct that the "immobilzer" was the system that looked for a specific
code chip in the key, and won't start without it? As I understand it, the
bypass module would use a spare key (with the chip) to feed to the computer
module so that it would think the key is in the ignition.

I think the statement that the immobilizer "wasn't used on Santa Fes in the
U.S." is probably the "key" (no pun intended) to why the remote starter web
site says I need one on the 2003. Maybe DesignTech made the assumption that
if they're used anywhere on the 2003 models, DesignTech's web site would
show it as necessary.

I'm off work next week, and the temprature is up to a balmy 40F, so I'll
probably work on it sometime after Christmas. This way I should have it
installed before the January freeze..

Thanks again for all your assistance. Sorry about the length of this post.

Mike O.

hyundaitech

I think all your wire colors are correct. And the numbers do indeed
represent wire sizes, with larger numbers representing larger wires.

The thick arc usually goes through the points, making things clear, but I
think you're correct. I believe that if the arc is over or on a
particular point, it represents a closed contact in the switch. I think
it's possible there may have been some sort of weird error in drawing the
schematic to make the arc come up over top of the contact points you see.
If there's any doubt, you can, knowing which wires feed power to the
switch, take a test light and see which ones are hot in which positions,
verifying what the schematic means.

And yes, Immobilizer is the system that looks for the chip in the key.

hyundaitech

I think all your wire colors are correct. And the numbers do indeed
represent wire sizes, with larger numbers representing larger wires.

The thick arc usually goes through the points, making things clear, but I
think you're correct. I believe that if the arc is over or on a
particular point, it represents a closed contact in the switch. I think
it's possible there may have been some sort of weird error in drawing the
schematic to make the arc come up over top of the contact points you see.
If there's any doubt, you can, knowing which wires feed power to the
switch, take a test light and see which ones are hot in which positions,
verifying what the schematic means.

And yes, Immobilizer is the system that looks for the chip in the key.

Mike O'Donnell

"hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
news:ee803850a8539cae40d5897f4655771b@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
>I think all your wire colors are correct. And the numbers do indeed
> represent wire sizes, with larger numbers representing larger wires.
>
> The thick arc usually goes through the points, making things clear, but I
> think you're correct. I believe that if the arc is over or on a
> particular point, it represents a closed contact in the switch. I think
> it's possible there may have been some sort of weird error in drawing the
> schematic to make the arc come up over top of the contact points you see.
> If there's any doubt, you can, knowing which wires feed power to the
> switch, take a test light and see which ones are hot in which positions,
> verifying what the schematic means.
>
> And yes, Immobilizer is the system that looks for the chip in the key.
>

Thank you for all the information. I'm planning on working on this later
this week, probably Thursday or Friday.
My plan all along was going to start by probing with a multimeter while
trying the different positions on the ignition switch. I'm just trying to
get as much info as possible before starting.
Even if I knew all the documentation by heart, I've worked in the computer
and electronics field long enough to not trust the documentation 100%. It
doesn't always match the real thing.

Mike O.

Mike O'Donnell

"hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
news:ee803850a8539cae40d5897f4655771b@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
>I think all your wire colors are correct. And the numbers do indeed
> represent wire sizes, with larger numbers representing larger wires.
>
> The thick arc usually goes through the points, making things clear, but I
> think you're correct. I believe that if the arc is over or on a
> particular point, it represents a closed contact in the switch. I think
> it's possible there may have been some sort of weird error in drawing the
> schematic to make the arc come up over top of the contact points you see.
> If there's any doubt, you can, knowing which wires feed power to the
> switch, take a test light and see which ones are hot in which positions,
> verifying what the schematic means.
>
> And yes, Immobilizer is the system that looks for the chip in the key.
>

Thank you for all the information. I'm planning on working on this later
this week, probably Thursday or Friday.
My plan all along was going to start by probing with a multimeter while
trying the different positions on the ignition switch. I'm just trying to
get as much info as possible before starting.
Even if I knew all the documentation by heart, I've worked in the computer
and electronics field long enough to not trust the documentation 100%. It
doesn't always match the real thing.

Mike O.

Mike O'Donnell

"hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
news:ee803850a8539cae40d5897f4655771b@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
>I think all your wire colors are correct. And the numbers do indeed
> represent wire sizes, with larger numbers representing larger wires.
>
> The thick arc usually goes through the points, making things clear, but I
> think you're correct. I believe that if the arc is over or on a
> particular point, it represents a closed contact in the switch. I think
> it's possible there may have been some sort of weird error in drawing the
> schematic to make the arc come up over top of the contact points you see.
> If there's any doubt, you can, knowing which wires feed power to the
> switch, take a test light and see which ones are hot in which positions,
> verifying what the schematic means.
>
> And yes, Immobilizer is the system that looks for the chip in the key.
>
Tomorrow (1/2) is the day to do the install, I think with the information
you've provided, plus what I found on the web, that I'm ready.

I found out why I can't get some of the drawings on HMAService. I needed
the Adobe SVG viewer installed. I was doing some more searching and on the
TwoSpirits Santa Fe mod forums, I found some information about using the
HMAService site. It mentioned the SVG viewer. I installed it and all the
drawings come up fine now. It makes sense why the most of the older
drawings work; they probably started using SVG around 2003.

- Mike

Mike O'Donnell

"hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
news:ee803850a8539cae40d5897f4655771b@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
>I think all your wire colors are correct. And the numbers do indeed
> represent wire sizes, with larger numbers representing larger wires.
>
> The thick arc usually goes through the points, making things clear, but I
> think you're correct. I believe that if the arc is over or on a
> particular point, it represents a closed contact in the switch. I think
> it's possible there may have been some sort of weird error in drawing the
> schematic to make the arc come up over top of the contact points you see.
> If there's any doubt, you can, knowing which wires feed power to the
> switch, take a test light and see which ones are hot in which positions,
> verifying what the schematic means.
>
> And yes, Immobilizer is the system that looks for the chip in the key.
>
Tomorrow (1/2) is the day to do the install, I think with the information
you've provided, plus what I found on the web, that I'm ready.

I found out why I can't get some of the drawings on HMAService. I needed
the Adobe SVG viewer installed. I was doing some more searching and on the
TwoSpirits Santa Fe mod forums, I found some information about using the
HMAService site. It mentioned the SVG viewer. I installed it and all the
drawings come up fine now. It makes sense why the most of the older
drawings work; they probably started using SVG around 2003.

- Mike

Mike O'Donnell

"Mike O'Donnell" <Send@TheBlackHoleOfspam.com> wrote in message
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>
> "hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
> news:ee803850a8539cae40d5897f4655771b@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
>>I think all your wire colors are correct. And the numbers do indeed
>> represent wire sizes, with larger numbers representing larger wires.
>>
>> The thick arc usually goes through the points, making things clear, but I
>> think you're correct. I believe that if the arc is over or on a
>> particular point, it represents a closed contact in the switch. I think
>> it's possible there may have been some sort of weird error in drawing the
>> schematic to make the arc come up over top of the contact points you see.
>> If there's any doubt, you can, knowing which wires feed power to the
>> switch, take a test light and see which ones are hot in which positions,
>> verifying what the schematic means.
>>
>> And yes, Immobilizer is the system that looks for the chip in the key.
>>
> Tomorrow (1/2) is the day to do the install, I think with the information
> you've provided, plus what I found on the web, that I'm ready.
>
> I found out why I can't get some of the drawings on HMAService. I needed
> the Adobe SVG viewer installed. I was doing some more searching and on
> the
> TwoSpirits Santa Fe mod forums, I found some information about using the
> HMAService site. It mentioned the SVG viewer. I installed it and all the
> drawings come up fine now. It makes sense why the most of the older
> drawings work; they probably started using SVG around 2003.
>
> - Mike
>
>
Duh.. I could also have looked on the "site requirements" on HMAService.
Right there, it says you need the SVG viewer..

Mike O'Donnell

"Mike O'Donnell" <Send@TheBlackHoleOfspam.com> wrote in message
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>
> "hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
> news:ee803850a8539cae40d5897f4655771b@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
>>I think all your wire colors are correct. And the numbers do indeed
>> represent wire sizes, with larger numbers representing larger wires.
>>
>> The thick arc usually goes through the points, making things clear, but I
>> think you're correct. I believe that if the arc is over or on a
>> particular point, it represents a closed contact in the switch. I think
>> it's possible there may have been some sort of weird error in drawing the
>> schematic to make the arc come up over top of the contact points you see.
>> If there's any doubt, you can, knowing which wires feed power to the
>> switch, take a test light and see which ones are hot in which positions,
>> verifying what the schematic means.
>>
>> And yes, Immobilizer is the system that looks for the chip in the key.
>>
> Tomorrow (1/2) is the day to do the install, I think with the information
> you've provided, plus what I found on the web, that I'm ready.
>
> I found out why I can't get some of the drawings on HMAService. I needed
> the Adobe SVG viewer installed. I was doing some more searching and on
> the
> TwoSpirits Santa Fe mod forums, I found some information about using the
> HMAService site. It mentioned the SVG viewer. I installed it and all the
> drawings come up fine now. It makes sense why the most of the older
> drawings work; they probably started using SVG around 2003.
>
> - Mike
>
>
Duh.. I could also have looked on the "site requirements" on HMAService.
Right there, it says you need the SVG viewer..