Re: XG350
08-28-2003, 11:26 AM
#1
Guest
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Re: XG350
Why would you spend $7000-$10000 more to get a $2000-$4000 higher
resale value? People talk about resale value like it's an indication
of the quality of the product. My Porsche was was 3 years old when I
sold it and I sold it for $40000. Does that mean I should buy a
Porsche for $60000 so I have a higher resale value? I now own a 02
Hyundai XG350L and I paid $20000 for it (brand new, with the Porsche
money).
The only reason I sold the Porsche is becasue I got laid off from a
major computer company in 2001 (HP) and I knew it would be tough in
California to get a job because of the current economy. I was right, 2
years later I still don't have a full time, perm job. It didn't make
sense to have a $60K car in the garage without a job (even though it
was fully paid off). Now with my CAR TAX tripled to $500 for my XG350L
I'm REAL glad I sold the Porsche!
Heck, Maybe I should become a Hyundai sales person...
By the way, CR if you look at the latest book has a "recommended"
sticker next to the XG350 and the Santa Fe!
Signed: Still looking for a job in California
On 27 Aug 2003 12:59:28 -0700, neilkoomen@hotmail.com (Neil) wrote:
>peterh5322@aol.comminch (Peter H.) wrote in message news:<20030825005937.07650.00000326@mb-m25.aol.com>...
>> >>
>> I'm the current owner of a 2003 Sante Fe and am considering buying an XG 350L
>> for my wife. She is currently driving a Volvo S80. Would the XG 350 be a good
>> choice for her?
>
>See www.ConsumerReports.org or call local library and ask if they have
>back issues of the magazine.
>
>The XG350 has a lot of features for the money, but there are other
>things that prevented CR from liking the car a lot. I don't recall all
>the details of the review, but I do remember that CR said the car had
>a very pillowy ride, like an old Buick, and CR wasn't too crazy about
>the ride and a few other things. CR will also have info from reader
>surveys on reliabilty.
>
>The gist of the XG350 (from what I've read; never driven one) seems to
>be that it's a lot of car for the money, and the car's biggest
>advantage is the low price--seems to be true for all the Korean cars
>sold in the US. You might also want to consider spending a little more
>money and getting something like an Accord or Camry, which will also
>have many more dealers and a higher resale price, if that matters to
>you.
resale value? People talk about resale value like it's an indication
of the quality of the product. My Porsche was was 3 years old when I
sold it and I sold it for $40000. Does that mean I should buy a
Porsche for $60000 so I have a higher resale value? I now own a 02
Hyundai XG350L and I paid $20000 for it (brand new, with the Porsche
money).
The only reason I sold the Porsche is becasue I got laid off from a
major computer company in 2001 (HP) and I knew it would be tough in
California to get a job because of the current economy. I was right, 2
years later I still don't have a full time, perm job. It didn't make
sense to have a $60K car in the garage without a job (even though it
was fully paid off). Now with my CAR TAX tripled to $500 for my XG350L
I'm REAL glad I sold the Porsche!
Heck, Maybe I should become a Hyundai sales person...
By the way, CR if you look at the latest book has a "recommended"
sticker next to the XG350 and the Santa Fe!
Signed: Still looking for a job in California
On 27 Aug 2003 12:59:28 -0700, neilkoomen@hotmail.com (Neil) wrote:
>peterh5322@aol.comminch (Peter H.) wrote in message news:<20030825005937.07650.00000326@mb-m25.aol.com>...
>> >>
>> I'm the current owner of a 2003 Sante Fe and am considering buying an XG 350L
>> for my wife. She is currently driving a Volvo S80. Would the XG 350 be a good
>> choice for her?
>
>See www.ConsumerReports.org or call local library and ask if they have
>back issues of the magazine.
>
>The XG350 has a lot of features for the money, but there are other
>things that prevented CR from liking the car a lot. I don't recall all
>the details of the review, but I do remember that CR said the car had
>a very pillowy ride, like an old Buick, and CR wasn't too crazy about
>the ride and a few other things. CR will also have info from reader
>surveys on reliabilty.
>
>The gist of the XG350 (from what I've read; never driven one) seems to
>be that it's a lot of car for the money, and the car's biggest
>advantage is the low price--seems to be true for all the Korean cars
>sold in the US. You might also want to consider spending a little more
>money and getting something like an Accord or Camry, which will also
>have many more dealers and a higher resale price, if that matters to
>you.
08-28-2003, 08:08 PM
#2
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Posts: n/a
Re: XG350
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:26:43 -0700, TM
What I was saying was that if you look and shop around you can buy a
Honda Accord for the EXACT SAME MONEY. That means that you can
purchase a clearly superior automobile with better styling, better
engine, more options and it will also retain a higher resale value for
years to come. Resale value can be a big factor in defining the
quality of a product. A Toyota Camry definitely will retain more of
its original value and be in greater demand that a Yugo.
Consumer Reports is a good indicator of values in the market but my
gut feeling is that several years from now when you look at their "do
not buy" list of used cars, the XG will be listed there.
Again, these are just my personl viewpoints after owning a "lemon" XG
purchased from Hyundai. I have a book of receipts from its trips to
Hyundai dealerships. I only hope that future owners of this model of
car do not have the same difficulties I have had. I have spoken with
several owners who have had no difficulties and I only wish I was one
of them.
P.S. Good luck in your job search.
<tmorelo@dslextreme.REMOVETHIS.com> wrote:
>Why would you spend $7000-$10000 more to get a $2000-$4000 higher
>resale value? People talk about resale value like it's an indication
>of the quality of the product. My Porsche was was 3 years old when I
>sold it and I sold it for $40000. Does that mean I should buy a
>Porsche for $60000 so I have a higher resale value? I now own a 02
>Hyundai XG350L and I paid $20000 for it (brand new, with the Porsche
>money).
>The only reason I sold the Porsche is becasue I got laid off from a
>major computer company in 2001 (HP) and I knew it would be tough in
>California to get a job because of the current economy. I was right, 2
>years later I still don't have a full time, perm job. It didn't make
>sense to have a $60K car in the garage without a job (even though it
>was fully paid off). Now with my CAR TAX tripled to $500 for my XG350L
>I'm REAL glad I sold the Porsche!
>
>Heck, Maybe I should become a Hyundai sales person...
>
>By the way, CR if you look at the latest book has a "recommended"
>sticker next to the XG350 and the Santa Fe!
>
>
>Signed: Still looking for a job in California
>
>On 27 Aug 2003 12:59:28 -0700, neilkoomen@hotmail.com (Neil) wrote:
>
>>peterh5322@aol.comminch (Peter H.) wrote in message news:<20030825005937.07650.00000326@mb-m25.aol.com>...
>>> >>
>>> I'm the current owner of a 2003 Sante Fe and am considering buying an XG 350L
>>> for my wife. She is currently driving a Volvo S80. Would the XG 350 be a good
>>> choice for her?
>>
>>See www.ConsumerReports.org or call local library and ask if they have
>>back issues of the magazine.
>>
>>The XG350 has a lot of features for the money, but there are other
>>things that prevented CR from liking the car a lot. I don't recall all
>>the details of the review, but I do remember that CR said the car had
>>a very pillowy ride, like an old Buick, and CR wasn't too crazy about
>>the ride and a few other things. CR will also have info from reader
>>surveys on reliabilty.
>>
>>The gist of the XG350 (from what I've read; never driven one) seems to
>>be that it's a lot of car for the money, and the car's biggest
>>advantage is the low price--seems to be true for all the Korean cars
>>sold in the US. You might also want to consider spending a little more
>>money and getting something like an Accord or Camry, which will also
>>have many more dealers and a higher resale price, if that matters to
>>you.
What I was saying was that if you look and shop around you can buy a
Honda Accord for the EXACT SAME MONEY. That means that you can
purchase a clearly superior automobile with better styling, better
engine, more options and it will also retain a higher resale value for
years to come. Resale value can be a big factor in defining the
quality of a product. A Toyota Camry definitely will retain more of
its original value and be in greater demand that a Yugo.
Consumer Reports is a good indicator of values in the market but my
gut feeling is that several years from now when you look at their "do
not buy" list of used cars, the XG will be listed there.
Again, these are just my personl viewpoints after owning a "lemon" XG
purchased from Hyundai. I have a book of receipts from its trips to
Hyundai dealerships. I only hope that future owners of this model of
car do not have the same difficulties I have had. I have spoken with
several owners who have had no difficulties and I only wish I was one
of them.
P.S. Good luck in your job search.
<tmorelo@dslextreme.REMOVETHIS.com> wrote:
>Why would you spend $7000-$10000 more to get a $2000-$4000 higher
>resale value? People talk about resale value like it's an indication
>of the quality of the product. My Porsche was was 3 years old when I
>sold it and I sold it for $40000. Does that mean I should buy a
>Porsche for $60000 so I have a higher resale value? I now own a 02
>Hyundai XG350L and I paid $20000 for it (brand new, with the Porsche
>money).
>The only reason I sold the Porsche is becasue I got laid off from a
>major computer company in 2001 (HP) and I knew it would be tough in
>California to get a job because of the current economy. I was right, 2
>years later I still don't have a full time, perm job. It didn't make
>sense to have a $60K car in the garage without a job (even though it
>was fully paid off). Now with my CAR TAX tripled to $500 for my XG350L
>I'm REAL glad I sold the Porsche!
>
>Heck, Maybe I should become a Hyundai sales person...
>
>By the way, CR if you look at the latest book has a "recommended"
>sticker next to the XG350 and the Santa Fe!
>
>
>Signed: Still looking for a job in California
>
>On 27 Aug 2003 12:59:28 -0700, neilkoomen@hotmail.com (Neil) wrote:
>
>>peterh5322@aol.comminch (Peter H.) wrote in message news:<20030825005937.07650.00000326@mb-m25.aol.com>...
>>> >>
>>> I'm the current owner of a 2003 Sante Fe and am considering buying an XG 350L
>>> for my wife. She is currently driving a Volvo S80. Would the XG 350 be a good
>>> choice for her?
>>
>>See www.ConsumerReports.org or call local library and ask if they have
>>back issues of the magazine.
>>
>>The XG350 has a lot of features for the money, but there are other
>>things that prevented CR from liking the car a lot. I don't recall all
>>the details of the review, but I do remember that CR said the car had
>>a very pillowy ride, like an old Buick, and CR wasn't too crazy about
>>the ride and a few other things. CR will also have info from reader
>>surveys on reliabilty.
>>
>>The gist of the XG350 (from what I've read; never driven one) seems to
>>be that it's a lot of car for the money, and the car's biggest
>>advantage is the low price--seems to be true for all the Korean cars
>>sold in the US. You might also want to consider spending a little more
>>money and getting something like an Accord or Camry, which will also
>>have many more dealers and a higher resale price, if that matters to
>>you.
08-29-2003, 12:55 AM
#3
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Re: XG350
Top posting to reply to both KR and TM's posts. The way I see it, you are
both right and wrong. It really depends on how long TM plans on owning the
car. If he plans on owning it till it drops, then resale value is not
important. He drove the value of the car. If he just plans on keeping it
for a couple of years, then KR may be right. Now if you think about it, we
all are wrong anyway for buying a brand new car. I'm guilty of it to. A
slightly used car still under warranty is more fiscally intelligent.
No one can predict Hyundai's reputation 2 years from now. I remember Honda
having a bad rep. when they first started out as well, and they pulled out
of it. As far as features are concerned, the XG350 has way more features.
Now as far as my opinion, I think the XG350 is better looking and much more
comfortable. Another factor based on my experience is when I was shopping
and test driving cars of all makes, I was disparaged at the attitudes of the
Honda salespeople. I dress down when I shop for cars on purpose. Not lot a
slob, but not like I have alot of money. I am very polite as well. The
Honda salespeople acted like they didn't have time for me, and seemed to
have other attitude problems. I went to 3 different Honda dealers, and was
met with the same attitude. One Honda dealer passed me between 5 different
salespeople in a matter of two minutes before I was able to test drive a
car. All the other dealers Mazda, Toyota, Hyundai, etc. were the complete
opposite. I do give kudos to TM for planning ahead financially, and being
responsible. And KR, I am sorry about your experience with your XG350.
This type of trouble is frustrating as all heck. And good luck to TM in
finding a job.
"KR" <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ks5tkvkg8cifevqeavtla19j4so6f589q5@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:26:43 -0700, TM
> What I was saying was that if you look and shop around you can buy a
> Honda Accord for the EXACT SAME MONEY. That means that you can
> purchase a clearly superior automobile with better styling, better
> engine, more options and it will also retain a higher resale value for
> years to come. Resale value can be a big factor in defining the
> quality of a product. A Toyota Camry definitely will retain more of
> its original value and be in greater demand that a Yugo.
>
> Consumer Reports is a good indicator of values in the market but my
> gut feeling is that several years from now when you look at their "do
> not buy" list of used cars, the XG will be listed there.
>
> Again, these are just my personl viewpoints after owning a "lemon" XG
> purchased from Hyundai. I have a book of receipts from its trips to
> Hyundai dealerships. I only hope that future owners of this model of
> car do not have the same difficulties I have had. I have spoken with
> several owners who have had no difficulties and I only wish I was one
> of them.
>
> P.S. Good luck in your job search.
>
> <tmorelo@dslextreme.REMOVETHIS.com> wrote:
>
> >Why would you spend $7000-$10000 more to get a $2000-$4000 higher
> >resale value? People talk about resale value like it's an indication
> >of the quality of the product. My Porsche was was 3 years old when I
> >sold it and I sold it for $40000. Does that mean I should buy a
> >Porsche for $60000 so I have a higher resale value? I now own a 02
> >Hyundai XG350L and I paid $20000 for it (brand new, with the Porsche
> >money).
> >The only reason I sold the Porsche is becasue I got laid off from a
> >major computer company in 2001 (HP) and I knew it would be tough in
> >California to get a job because of the current economy. I was right, 2
> >years later I still don't have a full time, perm job. It didn't make
> >sense to have a $60K car in the garage without a job (even though it
> >was fully paid off). Now with my CAR TAX tripled to $500 for my XG350L
> >I'm REAL glad I sold the Porsche!
> >
> >Heck, Maybe I should become a Hyundai sales person...
> >
> >By the way, CR if you look at the latest book has a "recommended"
> >sticker next to the XG350 and the Santa Fe!
> >
> >
> >Signed: Still looking for a job in California
> >
> >On 27 Aug 2003 12:59:28 -0700, neilkoomen@hotmail.com (Neil) wrote:
> >
> >>peterh5322@aol.comminch (Peter H.) wrote in message
news:<20030825005937.07650.00000326@mb-m25.aol.com>...
> >>> >>
> >>> I'm the current owner of a 2003 Sante Fe and am considering buying an
XG 350L
> >>> for my wife. She is currently driving a Volvo S80. Would the XG 350
be a good
> >>> choice for her?
> >>
> >>See www.ConsumerReports.org or call local library and ask if they have
> >>back issues of the magazine.
> >>
> >>The XG350 has a lot of features for the money, but there are other
> >>things that prevented CR from liking the car a lot. I don't recall all
> >>the details of the review, but I do remember that CR said the car had
> >>a very pillowy ride, like an old Buick, and CR wasn't too crazy about
> >>the ride and a few other things. CR will also have info from reader
> >>surveys on reliabilty.
> >>
> >>The gist of the XG350 (from what I've read; never driven one) seems to
> >>be that it's a lot of car for the money, and the car's biggest
> >>advantage is the low price--seems to be true for all the Korean cars
> >>sold in the US. You might also want to consider spending a little more
> >>money and getting something like an Accord or Camry, which will also
> >>have many more dealers and a higher resale price, if that matters to
> >>you.
>
both right and wrong. It really depends on how long TM plans on owning the
car. If he plans on owning it till it drops, then resale value is not
important. He drove the value of the car. If he just plans on keeping it
for a couple of years, then KR may be right. Now if you think about it, we
all are wrong anyway for buying a brand new car. I'm guilty of it to. A
slightly used car still under warranty is more fiscally intelligent.
No one can predict Hyundai's reputation 2 years from now. I remember Honda
having a bad rep. when they first started out as well, and they pulled out
of it. As far as features are concerned, the XG350 has way more features.
Now as far as my opinion, I think the XG350 is better looking and much more
comfortable. Another factor based on my experience is when I was shopping
and test driving cars of all makes, I was disparaged at the attitudes of the
Honda salespeople. I dress down when I shop for cars on purpose. Not lot a
slob, but not like I have alot of money. I am very polite as well. The
Honda salespeople acted like they didn't have time for me, and seemed to
have other attitude problems. I went to 3 different Honda dealers, and was
met with the same attitude. One Honda dealer passed me between 5 different
salespeople in a matter of two minutes before I was able to test drive a
car. All the other dealers Mazda, Toyota, Hyundai, etc. were the complete
opposite. I do give kudos to TM for planning ahead financially, and being
responsible. And KR, I am sorry about your experience with your XG350.
This type of trouble is frustrating as all heck. And good luck to TM in
finding a job.
"KR" <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ks5tkvkg8cifevqeavtla19j4so6f589q5@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:26:43 -0700, TM
> What I was saying was that if you look and shop around you can buy a
> Honda Accord for the EXACT SAME MONEY. That means that you can
> purchase a clearly superior automobile with better styling, better
> engine, more options and it will also retain a higher resale value for
> years to come. Resale value can be a big factor in defining the
> quality of a product. A Toyota Camry definitely will retain more of
> its original value and be in greater demand that a Yugo.
>
> Consumer Reports is a good indicator of values in the market but my
> gut feeling is that several years from now when you look at their "do
> not buy" list of used cars, the XG will be listed there.
>
> Again, these are just my personl viewpoints after owning a "lemon" XG
> purchased from Hyundai. I have a book of receipts from its trips to
> Hyundai dealerships. I only hope that future owners of this model of
> car do not have the same difficulties I have had. I have spoken with
> several owners who have had no difficulties and I only wish I was one
> of them.
>
> P.S. Good luck in your job search.
>
> <tmorelo@dslextreme.REMOVETHIS.com> wrote:
>
> >Why would you spend $7000-$10000 more to get a $2000-$4000 higher
> >resale value? People talk about resale value like it's an indication
> >of the quality of the product. My Porsche was was 3 years old when I
> >sold it and I sold it for $40000. Does that mean I should buy a
> >Porsche for $60000 so I have a higher resale value? I now own a 02
> >Hyundai XG350L and I paid $20000 for it (brand new, with the Porsche
> >money).
> >The only reason I sold the Porsche is becasue I got laid off from a
> >major computer company in 2001 (HP) and I knew it would be tough in
> >California to get a job because of the current economy. I was right, 2
> >years later I still don't have a full time, perm job. It didn't make
> >sense to have a $60K car in the garage without a job (even though it
> >was fully paid off). Now with my CAR TAX tripled to $500 for my XG350L
> >I'm REAL glad I sold the Porsche!
> >
> >Heck, Maybe I should become a Hyundai sales person...
> >
> >By the way, CR if you look at the latest book has a "recommended"
> >sticker next to the XG350 and the Santa Fe!
> >
> >
> >Signed: Still looking for a job in California
> >
> >On 27 Aug 2003 12:59:28 -0700, neilkoomen@hotmail.com (Neil) wrote:
> >
> >>peterh5322@aol.comminch (Peter H.) wrote in message
news:<20030825005937.07650.00000326@mb-m25.aol.com>...
> >>> >>
> >>> I'm the current owner of a 2003 Sante Fe and am considering buying an
XG 350L
> >>> for my wife. She is currently driving a Volvo S80. Would the XG 350
be a good
> >>> choice for her?
> >>
> >>See www.ConsumerReports.org or call local library and ask if they have
> >>back issues of the magazine.
> >>
> >>The XG350 has a lot of features for the money, but there are other
> >>things that prevented CR from liking the car a lot. I don't recall all
> >>the details of the review, but I do remember that CR said the car had
> >>a very pillowy ride, like an old Buick, and CR wasn't too crazy about
> >>the ride and a few other things. CR will also have info from reader
> >>surveys on reliabilty.
> >>
> >>The gist of the XG350 (from what I've read; never driven one) seems to
> >>be that it's a lot of car for the money, and the car's biggest
> >>advantage is the low price--seems to be true for all the Korean cars
> >>sold in the US. You might also want to consider spending a little more
> >>money and getting something like an Accord or Camry, which will also
> >>have many more dealers and a higher resale price, if that matters to
> >>you.
>
08-30-2003, 10:50 AM
#4
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: XG350
On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:04:47 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
2002 XG350L purchased brand new in May of 2002 presently with 13,000
miles.
>In article <bvlvkvs1nga6osff4770aesua9gjjhjf0d@4ax.com>, KR <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:54:56 -0700, TM <none@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>My car has been in and "reprogrammed" three times. They have never
>
>What year XG350 is yours?
>
>
>>been able to fix the throttle. I too have learned to drive it without
>>(most of the time) squeeling the tires but it is ridiculous to have to
>>"learn" how to depress a throttle because the manufacutrer could not
>>build it correctly. I realize Hyundai is not the only manufacturer
>>that has a poor drive-by-wire throttle. Mercedes has a model that has
>>an even worse throttle than Hyundai. What bothers me is the Accord
>>also has a drive-by-wire throttle. And the lowly Nissan Sentra. Both
>>of them have silky smooth acceleration. You would never know they are
>>drive-by-wire. My gut feeling is the programming is wrong on the
>>Hyundai throttle and they have, despite countless attempts, never been
>>able to get it right. Some people are more sensitive to problems in
>>cars. Many others wouldn't know their car has a problem even after it
>>is pointed out to them. I know I am the former; I have always been
>>the first to know if something is going wrong in a car well before the
>>mechanic or other drivers feel/see it. That is why I did well as an
>>automotive mechanic for so many years; I could tell what was wrong
>>with a car and I knew how to fix it. My family and friends still come
>>to me for advice and diagnosis on their car problems even though I
>>have not worked professionally on cars for several years. I have
>>spoken with owners of Hyundais who LOVE their cars and others (like
>>me) who regret ever waling into the dealerships. I realize all
>>manufacturers have some problem cars; that is why we have lemon laws.
>>
>>P.S. I could care less about resale value when I am purchasing a car.
>>I only mentioned it because it is a good indicator of a car's
>>reputation and aftermarket value.
>>
>>>WOW! I Guess we hit a nerve KR.
>>>
>>>Anyway, I agree with a lot of the comments posted here. Let me first
>>>start out by saying I put on a lot of miles on my cars. When I worked
>>>for HP, I put on over 40,000 miles a year. That's why I had a company
>>>car. HP uses Ford for their company cars (at least at this time). They
>>>get them for dealer price the year before (ie: right now the field
>>>people should be getting 04's as we speak), and dump them in the same
>>>production year (ie: they are selling their 03's as we speak). Thus
>>>the resale value is very high.
>>>The main reason HP went to a yearly car? FORD'S can't last a year!
>>>Take it from me, I had 20 plus Fords from HP.
>>>My take was if my XP350L was AT LEAST as good as a Ford, I'm a happy
>>>camper
>>>
>>>Now, for your Xg problems...
>>>
>>>If you look at the CR report that Neil posted you'll see a quote
>>>"torquey engine" or something like that. Let me guess, you can't leave
>>>a red light or stop sign without putting your head or your passengers
>>>head through the back window right?
>>>Mine is that way too, there is a TSR on that but my Hyundai dealer
>>>claims it does not apply. I tell you something I did that made night
>>>and day difference. I topped off the transmission fluid (with the
>>>approved Hyundai SPIII fluid) when "hot" to the "full mark" on the
>>>dipstick. It was in the middle. It really made a difference. It's A
>>>LOT smoother leaving a red light.
>>>These are FAST cars out of the hole!
>>>My Porsche had a tiptronic transmission (BTW, the Hyundai 5 speed is
>>>licensed from Prosche). It was programmed a lot different than I've
>>>ever seen. It NEVER started from a stop in 1st gear UNLESS you floor
>>>it or put it in manual mode.
>>>If Hyundai would reprogram their tiptronic transmission to start in
>>>2nd gear unless floored or in manual mode, EVERYONE would be happy
>>>(trust me).
>>>It did take me about 6 months to get real light on the accelerator,
>>>but I think I have it down now. Good Luck.
>>>
>>>BTW, For $20,000 (which is what I paid), you can't touch any other car
>>>with the features and warranty of a XG350L.
>>>
>>>Also, the 04 XG350's are out (and have been for a while). If you are
>>>worried about resale, don'y buy an 02, or 03 (yes there are still 02's
>>>out there at GREAT prices!).
>>>
>>>
>>>On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 04:55:21 GMT, "Nikoli Yetti" <subgenii@bob.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Top posting to reply to both KR and TM's posts. The way I see it, you are
>>>>both right and wrong. It really depends on how long TM plans on owning the
>>>>car. If he plans on owning it till it drops, then resale value is not
>>>>important. He drove the value of the car. If he just plans on keeping it
>>>>for a couple of years, then KR may be right. Now if you think about it, we
>>>>all are wrong anyway for buying a brand new car. I'm guilty of it to. A
>>>>slightly used car still under warranty is more fiscally intelligent.
>>>>No one can predict Hyundai's reputation 2 years from now. I remember Honda
>>>>having a bad rep. when they first started out as well, and they pulled out
>>>>of it. As far as features are concerned, the XG350 has way more features.
>>>>Now as far as my opinion, I think the XG350 is better looking and much more
>>>>comfortable. Another factor based on my experience is when I was shopping
>>>>and test driving cars of all makes, I was disparaged at the attitudes of the
>>>>Honda salespeople. I dress down when I shop for cars on purpose. Not lot a
>>>>slob, but not like I have alot of money. I am very polite as well. The
>>>>Honda salespeople acted like they didn't have time for me, and seemed to
>>>>have other attitude problems. I went to 3 different Honda dealers, and was
>>>>met with the same attitude. One Honda dealer passed me between 5 different
>>>>salespeople in a matter of two minutes before I was able to test drive a
>>>>car. All the other dealers Mazda, Toyota, Hyundai, etc. were the complete
>>>>opposite. I do give kudos to TM for planning ahead financially, and being
>>>>responsible. And KR, I am sorry about your experience with your XG350.
>>>>This type of trouble is frustrating as all heck. And good luck to TM in
>>>>finding a job.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"KR" <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:ks5tkvkg8cifevqeavtla19j4so6f589q5@4ax.co m...
>>>>> On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:26:43 -0700, TM
>>>>> What I was saying was that if you look and shop around you can buy a
>>>>> Honda Accord for the EXACT SAME MONEY. That means that you can
>>>>> purchase a clearly superior automobile with better styling, better
>>>>> engine, more options and it will also retain a higher resale value for
>>>>> years to come. Resale value can be a big factor in defining the
>>>>> quality of a product. A Toyota Camry definitely will retain more of
>>>>> its original value and be in greater demand that a Yugo.
>>>>>
>>>>> Consumer Reports is a good indicator of values in the market but my
>>>>> gut feeling is that several years from now when you look at their "do
>>>>> not buy" list of used cars, the XG will be listed there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, these are just my personl viewpoints after owning a "lemon" XG
>>>>> purchased from Hyundai. I have a book of receipts from its trips to
>>>>> Hyundai dealerships. I only hope that future owners of this model of
>>>>> car do not have the same difficulties I have had. I have spoken with
>>>>> several owners who have had no difficulties and I only wish I was one
>>>>> of them.
>>>>>
>>>>> P.S. Good luck in your job search.
>>>>>
>>>>> <tmorelo@dslextreme.REMOVETHIS.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >Why would you spend $7000-$10000 more to get a $2000-$4000 higher
>>>>> >resale value? People talk about resale value like it's an indication
>>>>> >of the quality of the product. My Porsche was was 3 years old when I
>>>>> >sold it and I sold it for $40000. Does that mean I should buy a
>>>>> >Porsche for $60000 so I have a higher resale value? I now own a 02
>>>>> >Hyundai XG350L and I paid $20000 for it (brand new, with the Porsche
>>>>> >money).
>>>>> >The only reason I sold the Porsche is becasue I got laid off from a
>>>>> >major computer company in 2001 (HP) and I knew it would be tough in
>>>>> >California to get a job because of the current economy. I was right, 2
>>>>> >years later I still don't have a full time, perm job. It didn't make
>>>>> >sense to have a $60K car in the garage without a job (even though it
>>>>> >was fully paid off). Now with my CAR TAX tripled to $500 for my XG350L
>>>>> >I'm REAL glad I sold the Porsche!
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Heck, Maybe I should become a Hyundai sales person...
>>>>> >
>>>>> >By the way, CR if you look at the latest book has a "recommended"
>>>>> >sticker next to the XG350 and the Santa Fe!
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Signed: Still looking for a job in California
>>>>> >
>>>>> >On 27 Aug 2003 12:59:28 -0700, neilkoomen@hotmail.com (Neil) wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>peterh5322@aol.comminch (Peter H.) wrote in message
>>>>news:<20030825005937.07650.00000326@mb-m25.aol.com>...
>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>> >>> I'm the current owner of a 2003 Sante Fe and am considering buying an
>>>>XG 350L
>>>>> >>> for my wife. She is currently driving a Volvo S80. Would the XG 350
>>>>be a good
>>>>> >>> choice for her?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>See www.ConsumerReports.org or call local library and ask if they have
>>>>> >>back issues of the magazine.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>The XG350 has a lot of features for the money, but there are other
>>>>> >>things that prevented CR from liking the car a lot. I don't recall all
>>>>> >>the details of the review, but I do remember that CR said the car had
>>>>> >>a very pillowy ride, like an old Buick, and CR wasn't too crazy about
>>>>> >>the ride and a few other things. CR will also have info from reader
>>>>> >>surveys on reliabilty.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>The gist of the XG350 (from what I've read; never driven one) seems to
>>>>> >>be that it's a lot of car for the money, and the car's biggest
>>>>> >>advantage is the low price--seems to be true for all the Korean cars
>>>>> >>sold in the US. You might also want to consider spending a little more
>>>>> >>money and getting something like an Accord or Camry, which will also
>>>>> >>have many more dealers and a higher resale price, if that matters to
>>>>> >>you.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
2002 XG350L purchased brand new in May of 2002 presently with 13,000
miles.
>In article <bvlvkvs1nga6osff4770aesua9gjjhjf0d@4ax.com>, KR <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:54:56 -0700, TM <none@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>My car has been in and "reprogrammed" three times. They have never
>
>What year XG350 is yours?
>
>
>>been able to fix the throttle. I too have learned to drive it without
>>(most of the time) squeeling the tires but it is ridiculous to have to
>>"learn" how to depress a throttle because the manufacutrer could not
>>build it correctly. I realize Hyundai is not the only manufacturer
>>that has a poor drive-by-wire throttle. Mercedes has a model that has
>>an even worse throttle than Hyundai. What bothers me is the Accord
>>also has a drive-by-wire throttle. And the lowly Nissan Sentra. Both
>>of them have silky smooth acceleration. You would never know they are
>>drive-by-wire. My gut feeling is the programming is wrong on the
>>Hyundai throttle and they have, despite countless attempts, never been
>>able to get it right. Some people are more sensitive to problems in
>>cars. Many others wouldn't know their car has a problem even after it
>>is pointed out to them. I know I am the former; I have always been
>>the first to know if something is going wrong in a car well before the
>>mechanic or other drivers feel/see it. That is why I did well as an
>>automotive mechanic for so many years; I could tell what was wrong
>>with a car and I knew how to fix it. My family and friends still come
>>to me for advice and diagnosis on their car problems even though I
>>have not worked professionally on cars for several years. I have
>>spoken with owners of Hyundais who LOVE their cars and others (like
>>me) who regret ever waling into the dealerships. I realize all
>>manufacturers have some problem cars; that is why we have lemon laws.
>>
>>P.S. I could care less about resale value when I am purchasing a car.
>>I only mentioned it because it is a good indicator of a car's
>>reputation and aftermarket value.
>>
>>>WOW! I Guess we hit a nerve KR.
>>>
>>>Anyway, I agree with a lot of the comments posted here. Let me first
>>>start out by saying I put on a lot of miles on my cars. When I worked
>>>for HP, I put on over 40,000 miles a year. That's why I had a company
>>>car. HP uses Ford for their company cars (at least at this time). They
>>>get them for dealer price the year before (ie: right now the field
>>>people should be getting 04's as we speak), and dump them in the same
>>>production year (ie: they are selling their 03's as we speak). Thus
>>>the resale value is very high.
>>>The main reason HP went to a yearly car? FORD'S can't last a year!
>>>Take it from me, I had 20 plus Fords from HP.
>>>My take was if my XP350L was AT LEAST as good as a Ford, I'm a happy
>>>camper
>>>
>>>Now, for your Xg problems...
>>>
>>>If you look at the CR report that Neil posted you'll see a quote
>>>"torquey engine" or something like that. Let me guess, you can't leave
>>>a red light or stop sign without putting your head or your passengers
>>>head through the back window right?
>>>Mine is that way too, there is a TSR on that but my Hyundai dealer
>>>claims it does not apply. I tell you something I did that made night
>>>and day difference. I topped off the transmission fluid (with the
>>>approved Hyundai SPIII fluid) when "hot" to the "full mark" on the
>>>dipstick. It was in the middle. It really made a difference. It's A
>>>LOT smoother leaving a red light.
>>>These are FAST cars out of the hole!
>>>My Porsche had a tiptronic transmission (BTW, the Hyundai 5 speed is
>>>licensed from Prosche). It was programmed a lot different than I've
>>>ever seen. It NEVER started from a stop in 1st gear UNLESS you floor
>>>it or put it in manual mode.
>>>If Hyundai would reprogram their tiptronic transmission to start in
>>>2nd gear unless floored or in manual mode, EVERYONE would be happy
>>>(trust me).
>>>It did take me about 6 months to get real light on the accelerator,
>>>but I think I have it down now. Good Luck.
>>>
>>>BTW, For $20,000 (which is what I paid), you can't touch any other car
>>>with the features and warranty of a XG350L.
>>>
>>>Also, the 04 XG350's are out (and have been for a while). If you are
>>>worried about resale, don'y buy an 02, or 03 (yes there are still 02's
>>>out there at GREAT prices!).
>>>
>>>
>>>On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 04:55:21 GMT, "Nikoli Yetti" <subgenii@bob.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Top posting to reply to both KR and TM's posts. The way I see it, you are
>>>>both right and wrong. It really depends on how long TM plans on owning the
>>>>car. If he plans on owning it till it drops, then resale value is not
>>>>important. He drove the value of the car. If he just plans on keeping it
>>>>for a couple of years, then KR may be right. Now if you think about it, we
>>>>all are wrong anyway for buying a brand new car. I'm guilty of it to. A
>>>>slightly used car still under warranty is more fiscally intelligent.
>>>>No one can predict Hyundai's reputation 2 years from now. I remember Honda
>>>>having a bad rep. when they first started out as well, and they pulled out
>>>>of it. As far as features are concerned, the XG350 has way more features.
>>>>Now as far as my opinion, I think the XG350 is better looking and much more
>>>>comfortable. Another factor based on my experience is when I was shopping
>>>>and test driving cars of all makes, I was disparaged at the attitudes of the
>>>>Honda salespeople. I dress down when I shop for cars on purpose. Not lot a
>>>>slob, but not like I have alot of money. I am very polite as well. The
>>>>Honda salespeople acted like they didn't have time for me, and seemed to
>>>>have other attitude problems. I went to 3 different Honda dealers, and was
>>>>met with the same attitude. One Honda dealer passed me between 5 different
>>>>salespeople in a matter of two minutes before I was able to test drive a
>>>>car. All the other dealers Mazda, Toyota, Hyundai, etc. were the complete
>>>>opposite. I do give kudos to TM for planning ahead financially, and being
>>>>responsible. And KR, I am sorry about your experience with your XG350.
>>>>This type of trouble is frustrating as all heck. And good luck to TM in
>>>>finding a job.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"KR" <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:ks5tkvkg8cifevqeavtla19j4so6f589q5@4ax.co m...
>>>>> On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:26:43 -0700, TM
>>>>> What I was saying was that if you look and shop around you can buy a
>>>>> Honda Accord for the EXACT SAME MONEY. That means that you can
>>>>> purchase a clearly superior automobile with better styling, better
>>>>> engine, more options and it will also retain a higher resale value for
>>>>> years to come. Resale value can be a big factor in defining the
>>>>> quality of a product. A Toyota Camry definitely will retain more of
>>>>> its original value and be in greater demand that a Yugo.
>>>>>
>>>>> Consumer Reports is a good indicator of values in the market but my
>>>>> gut feeling is that several years from now when you look at their "do
>>>>> not buy" list of used cars, the XG will be listed there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, these are just my personl viewpoints after owning a "lemon" XG
>>>>> purchased from Hyundai. I have a book of receipts from its trips to
>>>>> Hyundai dealerships. I only hope that future owners of this model of
>>>>> car do not have the same difficulties I have had. I have spoken with
>>>>> several owners who have had no difficulties and I only wish I was one
>>>>> of them.
>>>>>
>>>>> P.S. Good luck in your job search.
>>>>>
>>>>> <tmorelo@dslextreme.REMOVETHIS.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >Why would you spend $7000-$10000 more to get a $2000-$4000 higher
>>>>> >resale value? People talk about resale value like it's an indication
>>>>> >of the quality of the product. My Porsche was was 3 years old when I
>>>>> >sold it and I sold it for $40000. Does that mean I should buy a
>>>>> >Porsche for $60000 so I have a higher resale value? I now own a 02
>>>>> >Hyundai XG350L and I paid $20000 for it (brand new, with the Porsche
>>>>> >money).
>>>>> >The only reason I sold the Porsche is becasue I got laid off from a
>>>>> >major computer company in 2001 (HP) and I knew it would be tough in
>>>>> >California to get a job because of the current economy. I was right, 2
>>>>> >years later I still don't have a full time, perm job. It didn't make
>>>>> >sense to have a $60K car in the garage without a job (even though it
>>>>> >was fully paid off). Now with my CAR TAX tripled to $500 for my XG350L
>>>>> >I'm REAL glad I sold the Porsche!
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Heck, Maybe I should become a Hyundai sales person...
>>>>> >
>>>>> >By the way, CR if you look at the latest book has a "recommended"
>>>>> >sticker next to the XG350 and the Santa Fe!
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Signed: Still looking for a job in California
>>>>> >
>>>>> >On 27 Aug 2003 12:59:28 -0700, neilkoomen@hotmail.com (Neil) wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>peterh5322@aol.comminch (Peter H.) wrote in message
>>>>news:<20030825005937.07650.00000326@mb-m25.aol.com>...
>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>> >>> I'm the current owner of a 2003 Sante Fe and am considering buying an
>>>>XG 350L
>>>>> >>> for my wife. She is currently driving a Volvo S80. Would the XG 350
>>>>be a good
>>>>> >>> choice for her?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>See www.ConsumerReports.org or call local library and ask if they have
>>>>> >>back issues of the magazine.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>The XG350 has a lot of features for the money, but there are other
>>>>> >>things that prevented CR from liking the car a lot. I don't recall all
>>>>> >>the details of the review, but I do remember that CR said the car had
>>>>> >>a very pillowy ride, like an old Buick, and CR wasn't too crazy about
>>>>> >>the ride and a few other things. CR will also have info from reader
>>>>> >>surveys on reliabilty.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>The gist of the XG350 (from what I've read; never driven one) seems to
>>>>> >>be that it's a lot of car for the money, and the car's biggest
>>>>> >>advantage is the low price--seems to be true for all the Korean cars
>>>>> >>sold in the US. You might also want to consider spending a little more
>>>>> >>money and getting something like an Accord or Camry, which will also
>>>>> >>have many more dealers and a higher resale price, if that matters to
>>>>> >>you.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
08-30-2003, 06:11 PM
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Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: XG350
In article <d3e1lvgi0hd7e2dab6hut3qoqnlu43kde1@4ax.com>, KR <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:04:47 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>2002 XG350L purchased brand new in May of 2002 presently with 13,000
>miles.
What's the manufacture date of your car?
>>In article <bvlvkvs1nga6osff4770aesua9gjjhjf0d@4ax.com>, KR
> <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:54:56 -0700, TM <none@email.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>My car has been in and "reprogrammed" three times. They have never
>>
>>What year XG350 is yours?
>>
>>
>>>been able to fix the throttle. I too have learned to drive it without
>>>(most of the time) squeeling the tires but it is ridiculous to have to
>>>"learn" how to depress a throttle because the manufacutrer could not
>>>build it correctly. I realize Hyundai is not the only manufacturer
>>>that has a poor drive-by-wire throttle. Mercedes has a model that has
>>>an even worse throttle than Hyundai. What bothers me is the Accord
>>>also has a drive-by-wire throttle. And the lowly Nissan Sentra. Both
>>>of them have silky smooth acceleration. You would never know they are
>>>drive-by-wire. My gut feeling is the programming is wrong on the
>>>Hyundai throttle and they have, despite countless attempts, never been
>>>able to get it right. Some people are more sensitive to problems in
>>>cars. Many others wouldn't know their car has a problem even after it
>>>is pointed out to them. I know I am the former; I have always been
>>>the first to know if something is going wrong in a car well before the
>>>mechanic or other drivers feel/see it. That is why I did well as an
>>>automotive mechanic for so many years; I could tell what was wrong
>>>with a car and I knew how to fix it. My family and friends still come
>>>to me for advice and diagnosis on their car problems even though I
>>>have not worked professionally on cars for several years. I have
>>>spoken with owners of Hyundais who LOVE their cars and others (like
>>>me) who regret ever waling into the dealerships. I realize all
>>>manufacturers have some problem cars; that is why we have lemon laws.
>>>
>>>P.S. I could care less about resale value when I am purchasing a car.
>>>I only mentioned it because it is a good indicator of a car's
>>>reputation and aftermarket value.
>>>
>>>>WOW! I Guess we hit a nerve KR.
>>>>
>>>>Anyway, I agree with a lot of the comments posted here. Let me first
>>>>start out by saying I put on a lot of miles on my cars. When I worked
>>>>for HP, I put on over 40,000 miles a year. That's why I had a company
>>>>car. HP uses Ford for their company cars (at least at this time). They
>>>>get them for dealer price the year before (ie: right now the field
>>>>people should be getting 04's as we speak), and dump them in the same
>>>>production year (ie: they are selling their 03's as we speak). Thus
>>>>the resale value is very high.
>>>>The main reason HP went to a yearly car? FORD'S can't last a year!
>>>>Take it from me, I had 20 plus Fords from HP.
>>>>My take was if my XP350L was AT LEAST as good as a Ford, I'm a happy
>>>>camper
>>>>
>>>>Now, for your Xg problems...
>>>>
>>>>If you look at the CR report that Neil posted you'll see a quote
>>>>"torquey engine" or something like that. Let me guess, you can't leave
>>>>a red light or stop sign without putting your head or your passengers
>>>>head through the back window right?
>>>>Mine is that way too, there is a TSR on that but my Hyundai dealer
>>>>claims it does not apply. I tell you something I did that made night
>>>>and day difference. I topped off the transmission fluid (with the
>>>>approved Hyundai SPIII fluid) when "hot" to the "full mark" on the
>>>>dipstick. It was in the middle. It really made a difference. It's A
>>>>LOT smoother leaving a red light.
>>>>These are FAST cars out of the hole!
>>>>My Porsche had a tiptronic transmission (BTW, the Hyundai 5 speed is
>>>>licensed from Prosche). It was programmed a lot different than I've
>>>>ever seen. It NEVER started from a stop in 1st gear UNLESS you floor
>>>>it or put it in manual mode.
>>>>If Hyundai would reprogram their tiptronic transmission to start in
>>>>2nd gear unless floored or in manual mode, EVERYONE would be happy
>>>>(trust me).
>>>>It did take me about 6 months to get real light on the accelerator,
>>>>but I think I have it down now. Good Luck.
>>>>
>>>>BTW, For $20,000 (which is what I paid), you can't touch any other car
>>>>with the features and warranty of a XG350L.
>>>>
>>>>Also, the 04 XG350's are out (and have been for a while). If you are
>>>>worried about resale, don'y buy an 02, or 03 (yes there are still 02's
>>>>out there at GREAT prices!).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 04:55:21 GMT, "Nikoli Yetti" <subgenii@bob.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Top posting to reply to both KR and TM's posts. The way I see it, you are
>>>>>both right and wrong. It really depends on how long TM plans on owning the
>>>>>car. If he plans on owning it till it drops, then resale value is not
>>>>>important. He drove the value of the car. If he just plans on keeping it
>>>>>for a couple of years, then KR may be right. Now if you think about it, we
>>>>>all are wrong anyway for buying a brand new car. I'm guilty of it to. A
>>>>>slightly used car still under warranty is more fiscally intelligent.
>>>>>No one can predict Hyundai's reputation 2 years from now. I remember Honda
>>>>>having a bad rep. when they first started out as well, and they pulled out
>>>>>of it. As far as features are concerned, the XG350 has way more features.
>>>>>Now as far as my opinion, I think the XG350 is better looking and much more
>>>>>comfortable. Another factor based on my experience is when I was shopping
>>>>>and test driving cars of all makes, I was disparaged at the attitudes of
> the
>>>>>Honda salespeople. I dress down when I shop for cars on purpose. Not lot
> a
>>>>>slob, but not like I have alot of money. I am very polite as well. The
>>>>>Honda salespeople acted like they didn't have time for me, and seemed to
>>>>>have other attitude problems. I went to 3 different Honda dealers, and was
>>>>>met with the same attitude. One Honda dealer passed me between 5 different
>>>>>salespeople in a matter of two minutes before I was able to test drive a
>>>>>car. All the other dealers Mazda, Toyota, Hyundai, etc. were the complete
>>>>>opposite. I do give kudos to TM for planning ahead financially, and being
>>>>>responsible. And KR, I am sorry about your experience with your XG350.
>>>>>This type of trouble is frustrating as all heck. And good luck to TM in
>>>>>finding a job.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"KR" <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:ks5tkvkg8cifevqeavtla19j4so6f589q5@4ax.c om...
>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:26:43 -0700, TM
>>>>>> What I was saying was that if you look and shop around you can buy a
>>>>>> Honda Accord for the EXACT SAME MONEY. That means that you can
>>>>>> purchase a clearly superior automobile with better styling, better
>>>>>> engine, more options and it will also retain a higher resale value for
>>>>>> years to come. Resale value can be a big factor in defining the
>>>>>> quality of a product. A Toyota Camry definitely will retain more of
>>>>>> its original value and be in greater demand that a Yugo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Consumer Reports is a good indicator of values in the market but my
>>>>>> gut feeling is that several years from now when you look at their "do
>>>>>> not buy" list of used cars, the XG will be listed there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, these are just my personl viewpoints after owning a "lemon" XG
>>>>>> purchased from Hyundai. I have a book of receipts from its trips to
>>>>>> Hyundai dealerships. I only hope that future owners of this model of
>>>>>> car do not have the same difficulties I have had. I have spoken with
>>>>>> several owners who have had no difficulties and I only wish I was one
>>>>>> of them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P.S. Good luck in your job search.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <tmorelo@dslextreme.REMOVETHIS.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >Why would you spend $7000-$10000 more to get a $2000-$4000 higher
>>>>>> >resale value? People talk about resale value like it's an indication
>>>>>> >of the quality of the product. My Porsche was was 3 years old when I
>>>>>> >sold it and I sold it for $40000. Does that mean I should buy a
>>>>>> >Porsche for $60000 so I have a higher resale value? I now own a 02
>>>>>> >Hyundai XG350L and I paid $20000 for it (brand new, with the Porsche
>>>>>> >money).
>>>>>> >The only reason I sold the Porsche is becasue I got laid off from a
>>>>>> >major computer company in 2001 (HP) and I knew it would be tough in
>>>>>> >California to get a job because of the current economy. I was right, 2
>>>>>> >years later I still don't have a full time, perm job. It didn't make
>>>>>> >sense to have a $60K car in the garage without a job (even though it
>>>>>> >was fully paid off). Now with my CAR TAX tripled to $500 for my XG350L
>>>>>> >I'm REAL glad I sold the Porsche!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Heck, Maybe I should become a Hyundai sales person...
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >By the way, CR if you look at the latest book has a "recommended"
>>>>>> >sticker next to the XG350 and the Santa Fe!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Signed: Still looking for a job in California
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >On 27 Aug 2003 12:59:28 -0700, neilkoomen@hotmail.com (Neil) wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>peterh5322@aol.comminch (Peter H.) wrote in message
>>>>>news:<20030825005937.07650.00000326@mb-m25.aol.com>...
>>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>>> >>> I'm the current owner of a 2003 Sante Fe and am considering buying an
>>>>>XG 350L
>>>>>> >>> for my wife. She is currently driving a Volvo S80. Would the XG 350
>>>>>be a good
>>>>>> >>> choice for her?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>See www.ConsumerReports.org or call local library and ask if they have
>>>>>> >>back issues of the magazine.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>The XG350 has a lot of features for the money, but there are other
>>>>>> >>things that prevented CR from liking the car a lot. I don't recall all
>>>>>> >>the details of the review, but I do remember that CR said the car had
>>>>>> >>a very pillowy ride, like an old Buick, and CR wasn't too crazy about
>>>>>> >>the ride and a few other things. CR will also have info from reader
>>>>>> >>surveys on reliabilty.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>The gist of the XG350 (from what I've read; never driven one) seems to
>>>>>> >>be that it's a lot of car for the money, and the car's biggest
>>>>>> >>advantage is the low price--seems to be true for all the Korean cars
>>>>>> >>sold in the US. You might also want to consider spending a little more
>>>>>> >>money and getting something like an Accord or Camry, which will also
>>>>>> >>have many more dealers and a higher resale price, if that matters to
>>>>>> >>you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>
>On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:04:47 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>2002 XG350L purchased brand new in May of 2002 presently with 13,000
>miles.
What's the manufacture date of your car?
>>In article <bvlvkvs1nga6osff4770aesua9gjjhjf0d@4ax.com>, KR
> <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:54:56 -0700, TM <none@email.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>My car has been in and "reprogrammed" three times. They have never
>>
>>What year XG350 is yours?
>>
>>
>>>been able to fix the throttle. I too have learned to drive it without
>>>(most of the time) squeeling the tires but it is ridiculous to have to
>>>"learn" how to depress a throttle because the manufacutrer could not
>>>build it correctly. I realize Hyundai is not the only manufacturer
>>>that has a poor drive-by-wire throttle. Mercedes has a model that has
>>>an even worse throttle than Hyundai. What bothers me is the Accord
>>>also has a drive-by-wire throttle. And the lowly Nissan Sentra. Both
>>>of them have silky smooth acceleration. You would never know they are
>>>drive-by-wire. My gut feeling is the programming is wrong on the
>>>Hyundai throttle and they have, despite countless attempts, never been
>>>able to get it right. Some people are more sensitive to problems in
>>>cars. Many others wouldn't know their car has a problem even after it
>>>is pointed out to them. I know I am the former; I have always been
>>>the first to know if something is going wrong in a car well before the
>>>mechanic or other drivers feel/see it. That is why I did well as an
>>>automotive mechanic for so many years; I could tell what was wrong
>>>with a car and I knew how to fix it. My family and friends still come
>>>to me for advice and diagnosis on their car problems even though I
>>>have not worked professionally on cars for several years. I have
>>>spoken with owners of Hyundais who LOVE their cars and others (like
>>>me) who regret ever waling into the dealerships. I realize all
>>>manufacturers have some problem cars; that is why we have lemon laws.
>>>
>>>P.S. I could care less about resale value when I am purchasing a car.
>>>I only mentioned it because it is a good indicator of a car's
>>>reputation and aftermarket value.
>>>
>>>>WOW! I Guess we hit a nerve KR.
>>>>
>>>>Anyway, I agree with a lot of the comments posted here. Let me first
>>>>start out by saying I put on a lot of miles on my cars. When I worked
>>>>for HP, I put on over 40,000 miles a year. That's why I had a company
>>>>car. HP uses Ford for their company cars (at least at this time). They
>>>>get them for dealer price the year before (ie: right now the field
>>>>people should be getting 04's as we speak), and dump them in the same
>>>>production year (ie: they are selling their 03's as we speak). Thus
>>>>the resale value is very high.
>>>>The main reason HP went to a yearly car? FORD'S can't last a year!
>>>>Take it from me, I had 20 plus Fords from HP.
>>>>My take was if my XP350L was AT LEAST as good as a Ford, I'm a happy
>>>>camper
>>>>
>>>>Now, for your Xg problems...
>>>>
>>>>If you look at the CR report that Neil posted you'll see a quote
>>>>"torquey engine" or something like that. Let me guess, you can't leave
>>>>a red light or stop sign without putting your head or your passengers
>>>>head through the back window right?
>>>>Mine is that way too, there is a TSR on that but my Hyundai dealer
>>>>claims it does not apply. I tell you something I did that made night
>>>>and day difference. I topped off the transmission fluid (with the
>>>>approved Hyundai SPIII fluid) when "hot" to the "full mark" on the
>>>>dipstick. It was in the middle. It really made a difference. It's A
>>>>LOT smoother leaving a red light.
>>>>These are FAST cars out of the hole!
>>>>My Porsche had a tiptronic transmission (BTW, the Hyundai 5 speed is
>>>>licensed from Prosche). It was programmed a lot different than I've
>>>>ever seen. It NEVER started from a stop in 1st gear UNLESS you floor
>>>>it or put it in manual mode.
>>>>If Hyundai would reprogram their tiptronic transmission to start in
>>>>2nd gear unless floored or in manual mode, EVERYONE would be happy
>>>>(trust me).
>>>>It did take me about 6 months to get real light on the accelerator,
>>>>but I think I have it down now. Good Luck.
>>>>
>>>>BTW, For $20,000 (which is what I paid), you can't touch any other car
>>>>with the features and warranty of a XG350L.
>>>>
>>>>Also, the 04 XG350's are out (and have been for a while). If you are
>>>>worried about resale, don'y buy an 02, or 03 (yes there are still 02's
>>>>out there at GREAT prices!).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 04:55:21 GMT, "Nikoli Yetti" <subgenii@bob.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Top posting to reply to both KR and TM's posts. The way I see it, you are
>>>>>both right and wrong. It really depends on how long TM plans on owning the
>>>>>car. If he plans on owning it till it drops, then resale value is not
>>>>>important. He drove the value of the car. If he just plans on keeping it
>>>>>for a couple of years, then KR may be right. Now if you think about it, we
>>>>>all are wrong anyway for buying a brand new car. I'm guilty of it to. A
>>>>>slightly used car still under warranty is more fiscally intelligent.
>>>>>No one can predict Hyundai's reputation 2 years from now. I remember Honda
>>>>>having a bad rep. when they first started out as well, and they pulled out
>>>>>of it. As far as features are concerned, the XG350 has way more features.
>>>>>Now as far as my opinion, I think the XG350 is better looking and much more
>>>>>comfortable. Another factor based on my experience is when I was shopping
>>>>>and test driving cars of all makes, I was disparaged at the attitudes of
> the
>>>>>Honda salespeople. I dress down when I shop for cars on purpose. Not lot
> a
>>>>>slob, but not like I have alot of money. I am very polite as well. The
>>>>>Honda salespeople acted like they didn't have time for me, and seemed to
>>>>>have other attitude problems. I went to 3 different Honda dealers, and was
>>>>>met with the same attitude. One Honda dealer passed me between 5 different
>>>>>salespeople in a matter of two minutes before I was able to test drive a
>>>>>car. All the other dealers Mazda, Toyota, Hyundai, etc. were the complete
>>>>>opposite. I do give kudos to TM for planning ahead financially, and being
>>>>>responsible. And KR, I am sorry about your experience with your XG350.
>>>>>This type of trouble is frustrating as all heck. And good luck to TM in
>>>>>finding a job.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"KR" <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:ks5tkvkg8cifevqeavtla19j4so6f589q5@4ax.c om...
>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:26:43 -0700, TM
>>>>>> What I was saying was that if you look and shop around you can buy a
>>>>>> Honda Accord for the EXACT SAME MONEY. That means that you can
>>>>>> purchase a clearly superior automobile with better styling, better
>>>>>> engine, more options and it will also retain a higher resale value for
>>>>>> years to come. Resale value can be a big factor in defining the
>>>>>> quality of a product. A Toyota Camry definitely will retain more of
>>>>>> its original value and be in greater demand that a Yugo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Consumer Reports is a good indicator of values in the market but my
>>>>>> gut feeling is that several years from now when you look at their "do
>>>>>> not buy" list of used cars, the XG will be listed there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, these are just my personl viewpoints after owning a "lemon" XG
>>>>>> purchased from Hyundai. I have a book of receipts from its trips to
>>>>>> Hyundai dealerships. I only hope that future owners of this model of
>>>>>> car do not have the same difficulties I have had. I have spoken with
>>>>>> several owners who have had no difficulties and I only wish I was one
>>>>>> of them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P.S. Good luck in your job search.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <tmorelo@dslextreme.REMOVETHIS.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >Why would you spend $7000-$10000 more to get a $2000-$4000 higher
>>>>>> >resale value? People talk about resale value like it's an indication
>>>>>> >of the quality of the product. My Porsche was was 3 years old when I
>>>>>> >sold it and I sold it for $40000. Does that mean I should buy a
>>>>>> >Porsche for $60000 so I have a higher resale value? I now own a 02
>>>>>> >Hyundai XG350L and I paid $20000 for it (brand new, with the Porsche
>>>>>> >money).
>>>>>> >The only reason I sold the Porsche is becasue I got laid off from a
>>>>>> >major computer company in 2001 (HP) and I knew it would be tough in
>>>>>> >California to get a job because of the current economy. I was right, 2
>>>>>> >years later I still don't have a full time, perm job. It didn't make
>>>>>> >sense to have a $60K car in the garage without a job (even though it
>>>>>> >was fully paid off). Now with my CAR TAX tripled to $500 for my XG350L
>>>>>> >I'm REAL glad I sold the Porsche!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Heck, Maybe I should become a Hyundai sales person...
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >By the way, CR if you look at the latest book has a "recommended"
>>>>>> >sticker next to the XG350 and the Santa Fe!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Signed: Still looking for a job in California
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >On 27 Aug 2003 12:59:28 -0700, neilkoomen@hotmail.com (Neil) wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>peterh5322@aol.comminch (Peter H.) wrote in message
>>>>>news:<20030825005937.07650.00000326@mb-m25.aol.com>...
>>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>>> >>> I'm the current owner of a 2003 Sante Fe and am considering buying an
>>>>>XG 350L
>>>>>> >>> for my wife. She is currently driving a Volvo S80. Would the XG 350
>>>>>be a good
>>>>>> >>> choice for her?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>See www.ConsumerReports.org or call local library and ask if they have
>>>>>> >>back issues of the magazine.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>The XG350 has a lot of features for the money, but there are other
>>>>>> >>things that prevented CR from liking the car a lot. I don't recall all
>>>>>> >>the details of the review, but I do remember that CR said the car had
>>>>>> >>a very pillowy ride, like an old Buick, and CR wasn't too crazy about
>>>>>> >>the ride and a few other things. CR will also have info from reader
>>>>>> >>surveys on reliabilty.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>The gist of the XG350 (from what I've read; never driven one) seems to
>>>>>> >>be that it's a lot of car for the money, and the car's biggest
>>>>>> >>advantage is the low price--seems to be true for all the Korean cars
>>>>>> >>sold in the US. You might also want to consider spending a little more
>>>>>> >>money and getting something like an Accord or Camry, which will also
>>>>>> >>have many more dealers and a higher resale price, if that matters to
>>>>>> >>you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>
08-31-2003, 06:10 AM
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Posts: n/a
Re: XG350
On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:11:43 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
1/13/02 manufacture date
>In article <d3e1lvgi0hd7e2dab6hut3qoqnlu43kde1@4ax.com>, KR <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:04:47 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>2002 XG350L purchased brand new in May of 2002 presently with 13,000
>>miles.
>
>What's the manufacture date of your car?
>
>>>In article <bvlvkvs1nga6osff4770aesua9gjjhjf0d@4ax.com>, KR
>> <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:54:56 -0700, TM <none@email.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>My car has been in and "reprogrammed" three times. They have never
>>>
>>>What year XG350 is yours?
>>>
>>>
>>>>been able to fix the throttle. I too have learned to drive it without
>>>>(most of the time) squeeling the tires but it is ridiculous to have to
>>>>"learn" how to depress a throttle because the manufacutrer could not
>>>>build it correctly. I realize Hyundai is not the only manufacturer
>>>>that has a poor drive-by-wire throttle. Mercedes has a model that has
>>>>an even worse throttle than Hyundai. What bothers me is the Accord
>>>>also has a drive-by-wire throttle. And the lowly Nissan Sentra. Both
>>>>of them have silky smooth acceleration. You would never know they are
>>>>drive-by-wire. My gut feeling is the programming is wrong on the
>>>>Hyundai throttle and they have, despite countless attempts, never been
>>>>able to get it right. Some people are more sensitive to problems in
>>>>cars. Many others wouldn't know their car has a problem even after it
>>>>is pointed out to them. I know I am the former; I have always been
>>>>the first to know if something is going wrong in a car well before the
>>>>mechanic or other drivers feel/see it. That is why I did well as an
>>>>automotive mechanic for so many years; I could tell what was wrong
>>>>with a car and I knew how to fix it. My family and friends still come
>>>>to me for advice and diagnosis on their car problems even though I
>>>>have not worked professionally on cars for several years. I have
>>>>spoken with owners of Hyundais who LOVE their cars and others (like
>>>>me) who regret ever waling into the dealerships. I realize all
>>>>manufacturers have some problem cars; that is why we have lemon laws.
>>>>
>>>>P.S. I could care less about resale value when I am purchasing a car.
>>>>I only mentioned it because it is a good indicator of a car's
>>>>reputation and aftermarket value.
>>>>
>>>>>WOW! I Guess we hit a nerve KR.
>>>>>
>>>>>Anyway, I agree with a lot of the comments posted here. Let me first
>>>>>start out by saying I put on a lot of miles on my cars. When I worked
>>>>>for HP, I put on over 40,000 miles a year. That's why I had a company
>>>>>car. HP uses Ford for their company cars (at least at this time). They
>>>>>get them for dealer price the year before (ie: right now the field
>>>>>people should be getting 04's as we speak), and dump them in the same
>>>>>production year (ie: they are selling their 03's as we speak). Thus
>>>>>the resale value is very high.
>>>>>The main reason HP went to a yearly car? FORD'S can't last a year!
>>>>>Take it from me, I had 20 plus Fords from HP.
>>>>>My take was if my XP350L was AT LEAST as good as a Ford, I'm a happy
>>>>>camper
>>>>>
>>>>>Now, for your Xg problems...
>>>>>
>>>>>If you look at the CR report that Neil posted you'll see a quote
>>>>>"torquey engine" or something like that. Let me guess, you can't leave
>>>>>a red light or stop sign without putting your head or your passengers
>>>>>head through the back window right?
>>>>>Mine is that way too, there is a TSR on that but my Hyundai dealer
>>>>>claims it does not apply. I tell you something I did that made night
>>>>>and day difference. I topped off the transmission fluid (with the
>>>>>approved Hyundai SPIII fluid) when "hot" to the "full mark" on the
>>>>>dipstick. It was in the middle. It really made a difference. It's A
>>>>>LOT smoother leaving a red light.
>>>>>These are FAST cars out of the hole!
>>>>>My Porsche had a tiptronic transmission (BTW, the Hyundai 5 speed is
>>>>>licensed from Prosche). It was programmed a lot different than I've
>>>>>ever seen. It NEVER started from a stop in 1st gear UNLESS you floor
>>>>>it or put it in manual mode.
>>>>>If Hyundai would reprogram their tiptronic transmission to start in
>>>>>2nd gear unless floored or in manual mode, EVERYONE would be happy
>>>>>(trust me).
>>>>>It did take me about 6 months to get real light on the accelerator,
>>>>>but I think I have it down now. Good Luck.
>>>>>
>>>>>BTW, For $20,000 (which is what I paid), you can't touch any other car
>>>>>with the features and warranty of a XG350L.
>>>>>
>>>>>Also, the 04 XG350's are out (and have been for a while). If you are
>>>>>worried about resale, don'y buy an 02, or 03 (yes there are still 02's
>>>>>out there at GREAT prices!).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 04:55:21 GMT, "Nikoli Yetti" <subgenii@bob.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Top posting to reply to both KR and TM's posts. The way I see it, you are
>>>>>>both right and wrong. It really depends on how long TM plans on owning the
>>>>>>car. If he plans on owning it till it drops, then resale value is not
>>>>>>important. He drove the value of the car. If he just plans on keeping it
>>>>>>for a couple of years, then KR may be right. Now if you think about it, we
>>>>>>all are wrong anyway for buying a brand new car. I'm guilty of it to. A
>>>>>>slightly used car still under warranty is more fiscally intelligent.
>>>>>>No one can predict Hyundai's reputation 2 years from now. I remember Honda
>>>>>>having a bad rep. when they first started out as well, and they pulled out
>>>>>>of it. As far as features are concerned, the XG350 has way more features.
>>>>>>Now as far as my opinion, I think the XG350 is better looking and much more
>>>>>>comfortable. Another factor based on my experience is when I was shopping
>>>>>>and test driving cars of all makes, I was disparaged at the attitudes of
>> the
>>>>>>Honda salespeople. I dress down when I shop for cars on purpose. Not lot
>> a
>>>>>>slob, but not like I have alot of money. I am very polite as well. The
>>>>>>Honda salespeople acted like they didn't have time for me, and seemed to
>>>>>>have other attitude problems. I went to 3 different Honda dealers, and was
>>>>>>met with the same attitude. One Honda dealer passed me between 5 different
>>>>>>salespeople in a matter of two minutes before I was able to test drive a
>>>>>>car. All the other dealers Mazda, Toyota, Hyundai, etc. were the complete
>>>>>>opposite. I do give kudos to TM for planning ahead financially, and being
>>>>>>responsible. And KR, I am sorry about your experience with your XG350.
>>>>>>This type of trouble is frustrating as all heck. And good luck to TM in
>>>>>>finding a job.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"KR" <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:ks5tkvkg8cifevqeavtla19j4so6f589q5@4ax. com...
>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:26:43 -0700, TM
>>>>>>> What I was saying was that if you look and shop around you can buy a
>>>>>>> Honda Accord for the EXACT SAME MONEY. That means that you can
>>>>>>> purchase a clearly superior automobile with better styling, better
>>>>>>> engine, more options and it will also retain a higher resale value for
>>>>>>> years to come. Resale value can be a big factor in defining the
>>>>>>> quality of a product. A Toyota Camry definitely will retain more of
>>>>>>> its original value and be in greater demand that a Yugo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Consumer Reports is a good indicator of values in the market but my
>>>>>>> gut feeling is that several years from now when you look at their "do
>>>>>>> not buy" list of used cars, the XG will be listed there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again, these are just my personl viewpoints after owning a "lemon" XG
>>>>>>> purchased from Hyundai. I have a book of receipts from its trips to
>>>>>>> Hyundai dealerships. I only hope that future owners of this model of
>>>>>>> car do not have the same difficulties I have had. I have spoken with
>>>>>>> several owners who have had no difficulties and I only wish I was one
>>>>>>> of them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> P.S. Good luck in your job search.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <tmorelo@dslextreme.REMOVETHIS.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >Why would you spend $7000-$10000 more to get a $2000-$4000 higher
>>>>>>> >resale value? People talk about resale value like it's an indication
>>>>>>> >of the quality of the product. My Porsche was was 3 years old when I
>>>>>>> >sold it and I sold it for $40000. Does that mean I should buy a
>>>>>>> >Porsche for $60000 so I have a higher resale value? I now own a 02
>>>>>>> >Hyundai XG350L and I paid $20000 for it (brand new, with the Porsche
>>>>>>> >money).
>>>>>>> >The only reason I sold the Porsche is becasue I got laid off from a
>>>>>>> >major computer company in 2001 (HP) and I knew it would be tough in
>>>>>>> >California to get a job because of the current economy. I was right, 2
>>>>>>> >years later I still don't have a full time, perm job. It didn't make
>>>>>>> >sense to have a $60K car in the garage without a job (even though it
>>>>>>> >was fully paid off). Now with my CAR TAX tripled to $500 for my XG350L
>>>>>>> >I'm REAL glad I sold the Porsche!
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >Heck, Maybe I should become a Hyundai sales person...
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >By the way, CR if you look at the latest book has a "recommended"
>>>>>>> >sticker next to the XG350 and the Santa Fe!
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >Signed: Still looking for a job in California
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >On 27 Aug 2003 12:59:28 -0700, neilkoomen@hotmail.com (Neil) wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>peterh5322@aol.comminch (Peter H.) wrote in message
>>>>>>news:<20030825005937.07650.00000326@mb-m25.aol.com>...
>>>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>>>> >>> I'm the current owner of a 2003 Sante Fe and am considering buying an
>>>>>>XG 350L
>>>>>>> >>> for my wife. She is currently driving a Volvo S80. Would the XG 350
>>>>>>be a good
>>>>>>> >>> choice for her?
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>See www.ConsumerReports.org or call local library and ask if they have
>>>>>>> >>back issues of the magazine.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>The XG350 has a lot of features for the money, but there are other
>>>>>>> >>things that prevented CR from liking the car a lot. I don't recall all
>>>>>>> >>the details of the review, but I do remember that CR said the car had
>>>>>>> >>a very pillowy ride, like an old Buick, and CR wasn't too crazy about
>>>>>>> >>the ride and a few other things. CR will also have info from reader
>>>>>>> >>surveys on reliabilty.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>The gist of the XG350 (from what I've read; never driven one) seems to
>>>>>>> >>be that it's a lot of car for the money, and the car's biggest
>>>>>>> >>advantage is the low price--seems to be true for all the Korean cars
>>>>>>> >>sold in the US. You might also want to consider spending a little more
>>>>>>> >>money and getting something like an Accord or Camry, which will also
>>>>>>> >>have many more dealers and a higher resale price, if that matters to
>>>>>>> >>you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
1/13/02 manufacture date
>In article <d3e1lvgi0hd7e2dab6hut3qoqnlu43kde1@4ax.com>, KR <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:04:47 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>2002 XG350L purchased brand new in May of 2002 presently with 13,000
>>miles.
>
>What's the manufacture date of your car?
>
>>>In article <bvlvkvs1nga6osff4770aesua9gjjhjf0d@4ax.com>, KR
>> <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:54:56 -0700, TM <none@email.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>My car has been in and "reprogrammed" three times. They have never
>>>
>>>What year XG350 is yours?
>>>
>>>
>>>>been able to fix the throttle. I too have learned to drive it without
>>>>(most of the time) squeeling the tires but it is ridiculous to have to
>>>>"learn" how to depress a throttle because the manufacutrer could not
>>>>build it correctly. I realize Hyundai is not the only manufacturer
>>>>that has a poor drive-by-wire throttle. Mercedes has a model that has
>>>>an even worse throttle than Hyundai. What bothers me is the Accord
>>>>also has a drive-by-wire throttle. And the lowly Nissan Sentra. Both
>>>>of them have silky smooth acceleration. You would never know they are
>>>>drive-by-wire. My gut feeling is the programming is wrong on the
>>>>Hyundai throttle and they have, despite countless attempts, never been
>>>>able to get it right. Some people are more sensitive to problems in
>>>>cars. Many others wouldn't know their car has a problem even after it
>>>>is pointed out to them. I know I am the former; I have always been
>>>>the first to know if something is going wrong in a car well before the
>>>>mechanic or other drivers feel/see it. That is why I did well as an
>>>>automotive mechanic for so many years; I could tell what was wrong
>>>>with a car and I knew how to fix it. My family and friends still come
>>>>to me for advice and diagnosis on their car problems even though I
>>>>have not worked professionally on cars for several years. I have
>>>>spoken with owners of Hyundais who LOVE their cars and others (like
>>>>me) who regret ever waling into the dealerships. I realize all
>>>>manufacturers have some problem cars; that is why we have lemon laws.
>>>>
>>>>P.S. I could care less about resale value when I am purchasing a car.
>>>>I only mentioned it because it is a good indicator of a car's
>>>>reputation and aftermarket value.
>>>>
>>>>>WOW! I Guess we hit a nerve KR.
>>>>>
>>>>>Anyway, I agree with a lot of the comments posted here. Let me first
>>>>>start out by saying I put on a lot of miles on my cars. When I worked
>>>>>for HP, I put on over 40,000 miles a year. That's why I had a company
>>>>>car. HP uses Ford for their company cars (at least at this time). They
>>>>>get them for dealer price the year before (ie: right now the field
>>>>>people should be getting 04's as we speak), and dump them in the same
>>>>>production year (ie: they are selling their 03's as we speak). Thus
>>>>>the resale value is very high.
>>>>>The main reason HP went to a yearly car? FORD'S can't last a year!
>>>>>Take it from me, I had 20 plus Fords from HP.
>>>>>My take was if my XP350L was AT LEAST as good as a Ford, I'm a happy
>>>>>camper
>>>>>
>>>>>Now, for your Xg problems...
>>>>>
>>>>>If you look at the CR report that Neil posted you'll see a quote
>>>>>"torquey engine" or something like that. Let me guess, you can't leave
>>>>>a red light or stop sign without putting your head or your passengers
>>>>>head through the back window right?
>>>>>Mine is that way too, there is a TSR on that but my Hyundai dealer
>>>>>claims it does not apply. I tell you something I did that made night
>>>>>and day difference. I topped off the transmission fluid (with the
>>>>>approved Hyundai SPIII fluid) when "hot" to the "full mark" on the
>>>>>dipstick. It was in the middle. It really made a difference. It's A
>>>>>LOT smoother leaving a red light.
>>>>>These are FAST cars out of the hole!
>>>>>My Porsche had a tiptronic transmission (BTW, the Hyundai 5 speed is
>>>>>licensed from Prosche). It was programmed a lot different than I've
>>>>>ever seen. It NEVER started from a stop in 1st gear UNLESS you floor
>>>>>it or put it in manual mode.
>>>>>If Hyundai would reprogram their tiptronic transmission to start in
>>>>>2nd gear unless floored or in manual mode, EVERYONE would be happy
>>>>>(trust me).
>>>>>It did take me about 6 months to get real light on the accelerator,
>>>>>but I think I have it down now. Good Luck.
>>>>>
>>>>>BTW, For $20,000 (which is what I paid), you can't touch any other car
>>>>>with the features and warranty of a XG350L.
>>>>>
>>>>>Also, the 04 XG350's are out (and have been for a while). If you are
>>>>>worried about resale, don'y buy an 02, or 03 (yes there are still 02's
>>>>>out there at GREAT prices!).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 04:55:21 GMT, "Nikoli Yetti" <subgenii@bob.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Top posting to reply to both KR and TM's posts. The way I see it, you are
>>>>>>both right and wrong. It really depends on how long TM plans on owning the
>>>>>>car. If he plans on owning it till it drops, then resale value is not
>>>>>>important. He drove the value of the car. If he just plans on keeping it
>>>>>>for a couple of years, then KR may be right. Now if you think about it, we
>>>>>>all are wrong anyway for buying a brand new car. I'm guilty of it to. A
>>>>>>slightly used car still under warranty is more fiscally intelligent.
>>>>>>No one can predict Hyundai's reputation 2 years from now. I remember Honda
>>>>>>having a bad rep. when they first started out as well, and they pulled out
>>>>>>of it. As far as features are concerned, the XG350 has way more features.
>>>>>>Now as far as my opinion, I think the XG350 is better looking and much more
>>>>>>comfortable. Another factor based on my experience is when I was shopping
>>>>>>and test driving cars of all makes, I was disparaged at the attitudes of
>> the
>>>>>>Honda salespeople. I dress down when I shop for cars on purpose. Not lot
>> a
>>>>>>slob, but not like I have alot of money. I am very polite as well. The
>>>>>>Honda salespeople acted like they didn't have time for me, and seemed to
>>>>>>have other attitude problems. I went to 3 different Honda dealers, and was
>>>>>>met with the same attitude. One Honda dealer passed me between 5 different
>>>>>>salespeople in a matter of two minutes before I was able to test drive a
>>>>>>car. All the other dealers Mazda, Toyota, Hyundai, etc. were the complete
>>>>>>opposite. I do give kudos to TM for planning ahead financially, and being
>>>>>>responsible. And KR, I am sorry about your experience with your XG350.
>>>>>>This type of trouble is frustrating as all heck. And good luck to TM in
>>>>>>finding a job.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"KR" <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:ks5tkvkg8cifevqeavtla19j4so6f589q5@4ax. com...
>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:26:43 -0700, TM
>>>>>>> What I was saying was that if you look and shop around you can buy a
>>>>>>> Honda Accord for the EXACT SAME MONEY. That means that you can
>>>>>>> purchase a clearly superior automobile with better styling, better
>>>>>>> engine, more options and it will also retain a higher resale value for
>>>>>>> years to come. Resale value can be a big factor in defining the
>>>>>>> quality of a product. A Toyota Camry definitely will retain more of
>>>>>>> its original value and be in greater demand that a Yugo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Consumer Reports is a good indicator of values in the market but my
>>>>>>> gut feeling is that several years from now when you look at their "do
>>>>>>> not buy" list of used cars, the XG will be listed there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again, these are just my personl viewpoints after owning a "lemon" XG
>>>>>>> purchased from Hyundai. I have a book of receipts from its trips to
>>>>>>> Hyundai dealerships. I only hope that future owners of this model of
>>>>>>> car do not have the same difficulties I have had. I have spoken with
>>>>>>> several owners who have had no difficulties and I only wish I was one
>>>>>>> of them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> P.S. Good luck in your job search.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <tmorelo@dslextreme.REMOVETHIS.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >Why would you spend $7000-$10000 more to get a $2000-$4000 higher
>>>>>>> >resale value? People talk about resale value like it's an indication
>>>>>>> >of the quality of the product. My Porsche was was 3 years old when I
>>>>>>> >sold it and I sold it for $40000. Does that mean I should buy a
>>>>>>> >Porsche for $60000 so I have a higher resale value? I now own a 02
>>>>>>> >Hyundai XG350L and I paid $20000 for it (brand new, with the Porsche
>>>>>>> >money).
>>>>>>> >The only reason I sold the Porsche is becasue I got laid off from a
>>>>>>> >major computer company in 2001 (HP) and I knew it would be tough in
>>>>>>> >California to get a job because of the current economy. I was right, 2
>>>>>>> >years later I still don't have a full time, perm job. It didn't make
>>>>>>> >sense to have a $60K car in the garage without a job (even though it
>>>>>>> >was fully paid off). Now with my CAR TAX tripled to $500 for my XG350L
>>>>>>> >I'm REAL glad I sold the Porsche!
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >Heck, Maybe I should become a Hyundai sales person...
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >By the way, CR if you look at the latest book has a "recommended"
>>>>>>> >sticker next to the XG350 and the Santa Fe!
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >Signed: Still looking for a job in California
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >On 27 Aug 2003 12:59:28 -0700, neilkoomen@hotmail.com (Neil) wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>peterh5322@aol.comminch (Peter H.) wrote in message
>>>>>>news:<20030825005937.07650.00000326@mb-m25.aol.com>...
>>>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>>>> >>> I'm the current owner of a 2003 Sante Fe and am considering buying an
>>>>>>XG 350L
>>>>>>> >>> for my wife. She is currently driving a Volvo S80. Would the XG 350
>>>>>>be a good
>>>>>>> >>> choice for her?
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>See www.ConsumerReports.org or call local library and ask if they have
>>>>>>> >>back issues of the magazine.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>The XG350 has a lot of features for the money, but there are other
>>>>>>> >>things that prevented CR from liking the car a lot. I don't recall all
>>>>>>> >>the details of the review, but I do remember that CR said the car had
>>>>>>> >>a very pillowy ride, like an old Buick, and CR wasn't too crazy about
>>>>>>> >>the ride and a few other things. CR will also have info from reader
>>>>>>> >>surveys on reliabilty.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>The gist of the XG350 (from what I've read; never driven one) seems to
>>>>>>> >>be that it's a lot of car for the money, and the car's biggest
>>>>>>> >>advantage is the low price--seems to be true for all the Korean cars
>>>>>>> >>sold in the US. You might also want to consider spending a little more
>>>>>>> >>money and getting something like an Accord or Camry, which will also
>>>>>>> >>have many more dealers and a higher resale price, if that matters to
>>>>>>> >>you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
08-31-2003, 10:02 AM
#7
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: XG350
Mine was purchased brand new in Oct 2002, I currently have 19000 miles
on it.
The Manufacture date is April 2002
Other than the poor performence of the drive by wire, I love the car.
On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:10:08 GMT, KR <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:11:43 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>1/13/02 manufacture date
>
>>In article <d3e1lvgi0hd7e2dab6hut3qoqnlu43kde1@4ax.com>, KR <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:04:47 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
>>>2002 XG350L purchased brand new in May of 2002 presently with 13,000
>>>miles.
>>
>>What's the manufacture date of your car?
>>
>>>>In article <bvlvkvs1nga6osff4770aesua9gjjhjf0d@4ax.com>, KR
>>> <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:54:56 -0700, TM <none@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>My car has been in and "reprogrammed" three times. They have never
>>>>
>>>>What year XG350 is yours?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>been able to fix the throttle. I too have learned to drive it without
>>>>>(most of the time) squeeling the tires but it is ridiculous to have to
>>>>>"learn" how to depress a throttle because the manufacutrer could not
>>>>>build it correctly. I realize Hyundai is not the only manufacturer
>>>>>that has a poor drive-by-wire throttle. Mercedes has a model that has
>>>>>an even worse throttle than Hyundai. What bothers me is the Accord
>>>>>also has a drive-by-wire throttle. And the lowly Nissan Sentra. Both
>>>>>of them have silky smooth acceleration. You would never know they are
>>>>>drive-by-wire. My gut feeling is the programming is wrong on the
>>>>>Hyundai throttle and they have, despite countless attempts, never been
>>>>>able to get it right. Some people are more sensitive to problems in
>>>>>cars. Many others wouldn't know their car has a problem even after it
>>>>>is pointed out to them. I know I am the former; I have always been
>>>>>the first to know if something is going wrong in a car well before the
>>>>>mechanic or other drivers feel/see it. That is why I did well as an
>>>>>automotive mechanic for so many years; I could tell what was wrong
>>>>>with a car and I knew how to fix it. My family and friends still come
>>>>>to me for advice and diagnosis on their car problems even though I
>>>>>have not worked professionally on cars for several years. I have
>>>>>spoken with owners of Hyundais who LOVE their cars and others (like
>>>>>me) who regret ever waling into the dealerships. I realize all
>>>>>manufacturers have some problem cars; that is why we have lemon laws.
>>>>>
>>>>>P.S. I could care less about resale value when I am purchasing a car.
>>>>>I only mentioned it because it is a good indicator of a car's
>>>>>reputation and aftermarket value.
>>>>>
>>>>>>WOW! I Guess we hit a nerve KR.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Anyway, I agree with a lot of the comments posted here. Let me first
>>>>>>start out by saying I put on a lot of miles on my cars. When I worked
>>>>>>for HP, I put on over 40,000 miles a year. That's why I had a company
>>>>>>car. HP uses Ford for their company cars (at least at this time). They
>>>>>>get them for dealer price the year before (ie: right now the field
>>>>>>people should be getting 04's as we speak), and dump them in the same
>>>>>>production year (ie: they are selling their 03's as we speak). Thus
>>>>>>the resale value is very high.
>>>>>>The main reason HP went to a yearly car? FORD'S can't last a year!
>>>>>>Take it from me, I had 20 plus Fords from HP.
>>>>>>My take was if my XP350L was AT LEAST as good as a Ford, I'm a happy
>>>>>>camper
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Now, for your Xg problems...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you look at the CR report that Neil posted you'll see a quote
>>>>>>"torquey engine" or something like that. Let me guess, you can't leave
>>>>>>a red light or stop sign without putting your head or your passengers
>>>>>>head through the back window right?
>>>>>>Mine is that way too, there is a TSR on that but my Hyundai dealer
>>>>>>claims it does not apply. I tell you something I did that made night
>>>>>>and day difference. I topped off the transmission fluid (with the
>>>>>>approved Hyundai SPIII fluid) when "hot" to the "full mark" on the
>>>>>>dipstick. It was in the middle. It really made a difference. It's A
>>>>>>LOT smoother leaving a red light.
>>>>>>These are FAST cars out of the hole!
>>>>>>My Porsche had a tiptronic transmission (BTW, the Hyundai 5 speed is
>>>>>>licensed from Prosche). It was programmed a lot different than I've
>>>>>>ever seen. It NEVER started from a stop in 1st gear UNLESS you floor
>>>>>>it or put it in manual mode.
>>>>>>If Hyundai would reprogram their tiptronic transmission to start in
>>>>>>2nd gear unless floored or in manual mode, EVERYONE would be happy
>>>>>>(trust me).
>>>>>>It did take me about 6 months to get real light on the accelerator,
>>>>>>but I think I have it down now. Good Luck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>BTW, For $20,000 (which is what I paid), you can't touch any other car
>>>>>>with the features and warranty of a XG350L.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Also, the 04 XG350's are out (and have been for a while). If you are
>>>>>>worried about resale, don'y buy an 02, or 03 (yes there are still 02's
>>>>>>out there at GREAT prices!).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 04:55:21 GMT, "Nikoli Yetti" <subgenii@bob.com>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Top posting to reply to both KR and TM's posts. The way I see it, you are
>>>>>>>both right and wrong. It really depends on how long TM plans on owning the
>>>>>>>car. If he plans on owning it till it drops, then resale value is not
>>>>>>>important. He drove the value of the car. If he just plans on keeping it
>>>>>>>for a couple of years, then KR may be right. Now if you think about it, we
>>>>>>>all are wrong anyway for buying a brand new car. I'm guilty of it to. A
>>>>>>>slightly used car still under warranty is more fiscally intelligent.
>>>>>>>No one can predict Hyundai's reputation 2 years from now. I remember Honda
>>>>>>>having a bad rep. when they first started out as well, and they pulled out
>>>>>>>of it. As far as features are concerned, the XG350 has way more features.
>>>>>>>Now as far as my opinion, I think the XG350 is better looking and much more
>>>>>>>comfortable. Another factor based on my experience is when I was shopping
>>>>>>>and test driving cars of all makes, I was disparaged at the attitudes of
>>> the
>>>>>>>Honda salespeople. I dress down when I shop for cars on purpose. Not lot
>>> a
>>>>>>>slob, but not like I have alot of money. I am very polite as well. The
>>>>>>>Honda salespeople acted like they didn't have time for me, and seemed to
>>>>>>>have other attitude problems. I went to 3 different Honda dealers, and was
>>>>>>>met with the same attitude. One Honda dealer passed me between 5 different
>>>>>>>salespeople in a matter of two minutes before I was able to test drive a
>>>>>>>car. All the other dealers Mazda, Toyota, Hyundai, etc. were the complete
>>>>>>>opposite. I do give kudos to TM for planning ahead financially, and being
>>>>>>>responsible. And KR, I am sorry about your experience with your XG350.
>>>>>>>This type of trouble is frustrating as all heck. And good luck to TM in
>>>>>>>finding a job.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"KR" <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:ks5tkvkg8cifevqeavtla19j4so6f589q5@4ax .com...
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:26:43 -0700, TM
>>>>>>>> What I was saying was that if you look and shop around you can buy a
>>>>>>>> Honda Accord for the EXACT SAME MONEY. That means that you can
>>>>>>>> purchase a clearly superior automobile with better styling, better
>>>>>>>> engine, more options and it will also retain a higher resale value for
>>>>>>>> years to come. Resale value can be a big factor in defining the
>>>>>>>> quality of a product. A Toyota Camry definitely will retain more of
>>>>>>>> its original value and be in greater demand that a Yugo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Consumer Reports is a good indicator of values in the market but my
>>>>>>>> gut feeling is that several years from now when you look at their "do
>>>>>>>> not buy" list of used cars, the XG will be listed there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Again, these are just my personl viewpoints after owning a "lemon" XG
>>>>>>>> purchased from Hyundai. I have a book of receipts from its trips to
>>>>>>>> Hyundai dealerships. I only hope that future owners of this model of
>>>>>>>> car do not have the same difficulties I have had. I have spoken with
>>>>>>>> several owners who have had no difficulties and I only wish I was one
>>>>>>>> of them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> P.S. Good luck in your job search.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <tmorelo@dslextreme.REMOVETHIS.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >Why would you spend $7000-$10000 more to get a $2000-$4000 higher
>>>>>>>> >resale value? People talk about resale value like it's an indication
>>>>>>>> >of the quality of the product. My Porsche was was 3 years old when I
>>>>>>>> >sold it and I sold it for $40000. Does that mean I should buy a
>>>>>>>> >Porsche for $60000 so I have a higher resale value? I now own a 02
>>>>>>>> >Hyundai XG350L and I paid $20000 for it (brand new, with the Porsche
>>>>>>>> >money).
>>>>>>>> >The only reason I sold the Porsche is becasue I got laid off from a
>>>>>>>> >major computer company in 2001 (HP) and I knew it would be tough in
>>>>>>>> >California to get a job because of the current economy. I was right, 2
>>>>>>>> >years later I still don't have a full time, perm job. It didn't make
>>>>>>>> >sense to have a $60K car in the garage without a job (even though it
>>>>>>>> >was fully paid off). Now with my CAR TAX tripled to $500 for my XG350L
>>>>>>>> >I'm REAL glad I sold the Porsche!
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >Heck, Maybe I should become a Hyundai sales person...
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >By the way, CR if you look at the latest book has a "recommended"
>>>>>>>> >sticker next to the XG350 and the Santa Fe!
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >Signed: Still looking for a job in California
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >On 27 Aug 2003 12:59:28 -0700, neilkoomen@hotmail.com (Neil) wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>peterh5322@aol.comminch (Peter H.) wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:<20030825005937.07650.00000326@mb-m25.aol.com>...
>>>>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>> I'm the current owner of a 2003 Sante Fe and am considering buying an
>>>>>>>XG 350L
>>>>>>>> >>> for my wife. She is currently driving a Volvo S80. Would the XG 350
>>>>>>>be a good
>>>>>>>> >>> choice for her?
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>See www.ConsumerReports.org or call local library and ask if they have
>>>>>>>> >>back issues of the magazine.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>The XG350 has a lot of features for the money, but there are other
>>>>>>>> >>things that prevented CR from liking the car a lot. I don't recall all
>>>>>>>> >>the details of the review, but I do remember that CR said the car had
>>>>>>>> >>a very pillowy ride, like an old Buick, and CR wasn't too crazy about
>>>>>>>> >>the ride and a few other things. CR will also have info from reader
>>>>>>>> >>surveys on reliabilty.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>The gist of the XG350 (from what I've read; never driven one) seems to
>>>>>>>> >>be that it's a lot of car for the money, and the car's biggest
>>>>>>>> >>advantage is the low price--seems to be true for all the Korean cars
>>>>>>>> >>sold in the US. You might also want to consider spending a little more
>>>>>>>> >>money and getting something like an Accord or Camry, which will also
>>>>>>>> >>have many more dealers and a higher resale price, if that matters to
>>>>>>>> >>you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
on it.
The Manufacture date is April 2002
Other than the poor performence of the drive by wire, I love the car.
On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:10:08 GMT, KR <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:11:43 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>1/13/02 manufacture date
>
>>In article <d3e1lvgi0hd7e2dab6hut3qoqnlu43kde1@4ax.com>, KR <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:04:47 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
>>>2002 XG350L purchased brand new in May of 2002 presently with 13,000
>>>miles.
>>
>>What's the manufacture date of your car?
>>
>>>>In article <bvlvkvs1nga6osff4770aesua9gjjhjf0d@4ax.com>, KR
>>> <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:54:56 -0700, TM <none@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>My car has been in and "reprogrammed" three times. They have never
>>>>
>>>>What year XG350 is yours?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>been able to fix the throttle. I too have learned to drive it without
>>>>>(most of the time) squeeling the tires but it is ridiculous to have to
>>>>>"learn" how to depress a throttle because the manufacutrer could not
>>>>>build it correctly. I realize Hyundai is not the only manufacturer
>>>>>that has a poor drive-by-wire throttle. Mercedes has a model that has
>>>>>an even worse throttle than Hyundai. What bothers me is the Accord
>>>>>also has a drive-by-wire throttle. And the lowly Nissan Sentra. Both
>>>>>of them have silky smooth acceleration. You would never know they are
>>>>>drive-by-wire. My gut feeling is the programming is wrong on the
>>>>>Hyundai throttle and they have, despite countless attempts, never been
>>>>>able to get it right. Some people are more sensitive to problems in
>>>>>cars. Many others wouldn't know their car has a problem even after it
>>>>>is pointed out to them. I know I am the former; I have always been
>>>>>the first to know if something is going wrong in a car well before the
>>>>>mechanic or other drivers feel/see it. That is why I did well as an
>>>>>automotive mechanic for so many years; I could tell what was wrong
>>>>>with a car and I knew how to fix it. My family and friends still come
>>>>>to me for advice and diagnosis on their car problems even though I
>>>>>have not worked professionally on cars for several years. I have
>>>>>spoken with owners of Hyundais who LOVE their cars and others (like
>>>>>me) who regret ever waling into the dealerships. I realize all
>>>>>manufacturers have some problem cars; that is why we have lemon laws.
>>>>>
>>>>>P.S. I could care less about resale value when I am purchasing a car.
>>>>>I only mentioned it because it is a good indicator of a car's
>>>>>reputation and aftermarket value.
>>>>>
>>>>>>WOW! I Guess we hit a nerve KR.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Anyway, I agree with a lot of the comments posted here. Let me first
>>>>>>start out by saying I put on a lot of miles on my cars. When I worked
>>>>>>for HP, I put on over 40,000 miles a year. That's why I had a company
>>>>>>car. HP uses Ford for their company cars (at least at this time). They
>>>>>>get them for dealer price the year before (ie: right now the field
>>>>>>people should be getting 04's as we speak), and dump them in the same
>>>>>>production year (ie: they are selling their 03's as we speak). Thus
>>>>>>the resale value is very high.
>>>>>>The main reason HP went to a yearly car? FORD'S can't last a year!
>>>>>>Take it from me, I had 20 plus Fords from HP.
>>>>>>My take was if my XP350L was AT LEAST as good as a Ford, I'm a happy
>>>>>>camper
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Now, for your Xg problems...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you look at the CR report that Neil posted you'll see a quote
>>>>>>"torquey engine" or something like that. Let me guess, you can't leave
>>>>>>a red light or stop sign without putting your head or your passengers
>>>>>>head through the back window right?
>>>>>>Mine is that way too, there is a TSR on that but my Hyundai dealer
>>>>>>claims it does not apply. I tell you something I did that made night
>>>>>>and day difference. I topped off the transmission fluid (with the
>>>>>>approved Hyundai SPIII fluid) when "hot" to the "full mark" on the
>>>>>>dipstick. It was in the middle. It really made a difference. It's A
>>>>>>LOT smoother leaving a red light.
>>>>>>These are FAST cars out of the hole!
>>>>>>My Porsche had a tiptronic transmission (BTW, the Hyundai 5 speed is
>>>>>>licensed from Prosche). It was programmed a lot different than I've
>>>>>>ever seen. It NEVER started from a stop in 1st gear UNLESS you floor
>>>>>>it or put it in manual mode.
>>>>>>If Hyundai would reprogram their tiptronic transmission to start in
>>>>>>2nd gear unless floored or in manual mode, EVERYONE would be happy
>>>>>>(trust me).
>>>>>>It did take me about 6 months to get real light on the accelerator,
>>>>>>but I think I have it down now. Good Luck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>BTW, For $20,000 (which is what I paid), you can't touch any other car
>>>>>>with the features and warranty of a XG350L.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Also, the 04 XG350's are out (and have been for a while). If you are
>>>>>>worried about resale, don'y buy an 02, or 03 (yes there are still 02's
>>>>>>out there at GREAT prices!).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 04:55:21 GMT, "Nikoli Yetti" <subgenii@bob.com>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Top posting to reply to both KR and TM's posts. The way I see it, you are
>>>>>>>both right and wrong. It really depends on how long TM plans on owning the
>>>>>>>car. If he plans on owning it till it drops, then resale value is not
>>>>>>>important. He drove the value of the car. If he just plans on keeping it
>>>>>>>for a couple of years, then KR may be right. Now if you think about it, we
>>>>>>>all are wrong anyway for buying a brand new car. I'm guilty of it to. A
>>>>>>>slightly used car still under warranty is more fiscally intelligent.
>>>>>>>No one can predict Hyundai's reputation 2 years from now. I remember Honda
>>>>>>>having a bad rep. when they first started out as well, and they pulled out
>>>>>>>of it. As far as features are concerned, the XG350 has way more features.
>>>>>>>Now as far as my opinion, I think the XG350 is better looking and much more
>>>>>>>comfortable. Another factor based on my experience is when I was shopping
>>>>>>>and test driving cars of all makes, I was disparaged at the attitudes of
>>> the
>>>>>>>Honda salespeople. I dress down when I shop for cars on purpose. Not lot
>>> a
>>>>>>>slob, but not like I have alot of money. I am very polite as well. The
>>>>>>>Honda salespeople acted like they didn't have time for me, and seemed to
>>>>>>>have other attitude problems. I went to 3 different Honda dealers, and was
>>>>>>>met with the same attitude. One Honda dealer passed me between 5 different
>>>>>>>salespeople in a matter of two minutes before I was able to test drive a
>>>>>>>car. All the other dealers Mazda, Toyota, Hyundai, etc. were the complete
>>>>>>>opposite. I do give kudos to TM for planning ahead financially, and being
>>>>>>>responsible. And KR, I am sorry about your experience with your XG350.
>>>>>>>This type of trouble is frustrating as all heck. And good luck to TM in
>>>>>>>finding a job.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"KR" <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:ks5tkvkg8cifevqeavtla19j4so6f589q5@4ax .com...
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:26:43 -0700, TM
>>>>>>>> What I was saying was that if you look and shop around you can buy a
>>>>>>>> Honda Accord for the EXACT SAME MONEY. That means that you can
>>>>>>>> purchase a clearly superior automobile with better styling, better
>>>>>>>> engine, more options and it will also retain a higher resale value for
>>>>>>>> years to come. Resale value can be a big factor in defining the
>>>>>>>> quality of a product. A Toyota Camry definitely will retain more of
>>>>>>>> its original value and be in greater demand that a Yugo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Consumer Reports is a good indicator of values in the market but my
>>>>>>>> gut feeling is that several years from now when you look at their "do
>>>>>>>> not buy" list of used cars, the XG will be listed there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Again, these are just my personl viewpoints after owning a "lemon" XG
>>>>>>>> purchased from Hyundai. I have a book of receipts from its trips to
>>>>>>>> Hyundai dealerships. I only hope that future owners of this model of
>>>>>>>> car do not have the same difficulties I have had. I have spoken with
>>>>>>>> several owners who have had no difficulties and I only wish I was one
>>>>>>>> of them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> P.S. Good luck in your job search.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <tmorelo@dslextreme.REMOVETHIS.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >Why would you spend $7000-$10000 more to get a $2000-$4000 higher
>>>>>>>> >resale value? People talk about resale value like it's an indication
>>>>>>>> >of the quality of the product. My Porsche was was 3 years old when I
>>>>>>>> >sold it and I sold it for $40000. Does that mean I should buy a
>>>>>>>> >Porsche for $60000 so I have a higher resale value? I now own a 02
>>>>>>>> >Hyundai XG350L and I paid $20000 for it (brand new, with the Porsche
>>>>>>>> >money).
>>>>>>>> >The only reason I sold the Porsche is becasue I got laid off from a
>>>>>>>> >major computer company in 2001 (HP) and I knew it would be tough in
>>>>>>>> >California to get a job because of the current economy. I was right, 2
>>>>>>>> >years later I still don't have a full time, perm job. It didn't make
>>>>>>>> >sense to have a $60K car in the garage without a job (even though it
>>>>>>>> >was fully paid off). Now with my CAR TAX tripled to $500 for my XG350L
>>>>>>>> >I'm REAL glad I sold the Porsche!
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >Heck, Maybe I should become a Hyundai sales person...
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >By the way, CR if you look at the latest book has a "recommended"
>>>>>>>> >sticker next to the XG350 and the Santa Fe!
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >Signed: Still looking for a job in California
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >On 27 Aug 2003 12:59:28 -0700, neilkoomen@hotmail.com (Neil) wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>peterh5322@aol.comminch (Peter H.) wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:<20030825005937.07650.00000326@mb-m25.aol.com>...
>>>>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>> I'm the current owner of a 2003 Sante Fe and am considering buying an
>>>>>>>XG 350L
>>>>>>>> >>> for my wife. She is currently driving a Volvo S80. Would the XG 350
>>>>>>>be a good
>>>>>>>> >>> choice for her?
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>See www.ConsumerReports.org or call local library and ask if they have
>>>>>>>> >>back issues of the magazine.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>The XG350 has a lot of features for the money, but there are other
>>>>>>>> >>things that prevented CR from liking the car a lot. I don't recall all
>>>>>>>> >>the details of the review, but I do remember that CR said the car had
>>>>>>>> >>a very pillowy ride, like an old Buick, and CR wasn't too crazy about
>>>>>>>> >>the ride and a few other things. CR will also have info from reader
>>>>>>>> >>surveys on reliabilty.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>The gist of the XG350 (from what I've read; never driven one) seems to
>>>>>>>> >>be that it's a lot of car for the money, and the car's biggest
>>>>>>>> >>advantage is the low price--seems to be true for all the Korean cars
>>>>>>>> >>sold in the US. You might also want to consider spending a little more
>>>>>>>> >>money and getting something like an Accord or Camry, which will also
>>>>>>>> >>have many more dealers and a higher resale price, if that matters to
>>>>>>>> >>you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
09-01-2003, 12:41 PM
#8
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: XG350
In article <abi3lvsgs82lbk183i77pll92cf0birgss@4ax.com>, KR <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:11:43 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>1/13/02 manufacture date
Does your XG have a sticker under the plate like the one shown in this
picture?
http://www.hmaservice.com/xml/graphics/02/0236007a1.jpg
>>In article <d3e1lvgi0hd7e2dab6hut3qoqnlu43kde1@4ax.com>, KR
> <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:04:47 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
>>>2002 XG350L purchased brand new in May of 2002 presently with 13,000
>>>miles.
>>
>>What's the manufacture date of your car?
>>
>>>>In article <bvlvkvs1nga6osff4770aesua9gjjhjf0d@4ax.com>, KR
>>> <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:54:56 -0700, TM <none@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>My car has been in and "reprogrammed" three times. They have never
>>>>
>>>>What year XG350 is yours?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>been able to fix the throttle. I too have learned to drive it without
>>>>>(most of the time) squeeling the tires but it is ridiculous to have to
>>>>>"learn" how to depress a throttle because the manufacutrer could not
>>>>>build it correctly. I realize Hyundai is not the only manufacturer
>>>>>that has a poor drive-by-wire throttle. Mercedes has a model that has
>>>>>an even worse throttle than Hyundai. What bothers me is the Accord
>>>>>also has a drive-by-wire throttle. And the lowly Nissan Sentra. Both
>>>>>of them have silky smooth acceleration. You would never know they are
>>>>>drive-by-wire. My gut feeling is the programming is wrong on the
>>>>>Hyundai throttle and they have, despite countless attempts, never been
>>>>>able to get it right. Some people are more sensitive to problems in
>>>>>cars. Many others wouldn't know their car has a problem even after it
>>>>>is pointed out to them. I know I am the former; I have always been
>>>>>the first to know if something is going wrong in a car well before the
>>>>>mechanic or other drivers feel/see it. That is why I did well as an
>>>>>automotive mechanic for so many years; I could tell what was wrong
>>>>>with a car and I knew how to fix it. My family and friends still come
>>>>>to me for advice and diagnosis on their car problems even though I
>>>>>have not worked professionally on cars for several years. I have
>>>>>spoken with owners of Hyundais who LOVE their cars and others (like
>>>>>me) who regret ever waling into the dealerships. I realize all
>>>>>manufacturers have some problem cars; that is why we have lemon laws.
>>>>>
>On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:11:43 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>1/13/02 manufacture date
Does your XG have a sticker under the plate like the one shown in this
picture?
http://www.hmaservice.com/xml/graphics/02/0236007a1.jpg
>>In article <d3e1lvgi0hd7e2dab6hut3qoqnlu43kde1@4ax.com>, KR
> <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:04:47 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
>>>2002 XG350L purchased brand new in May of 2002 presently with 13,000
>>>miles.
>>
>>What's the manufacture date of your car?
>>
>>>>In article <bvlvkvs1nga6osff4770aesua9gjjhjf0d@4ax.com>, KR
>>> <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:54:56 -0700, TM <none@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>My car has been in and "reprogrammed" three times. They have never
>>>>
>>>>What year XG350 is yours?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>been able to fix the throttle. I too have learned to drive it without
>>>>>(most of the time) squeeling the tires but it is ridiculous to have to
>>>>>"learn" how to depress a throttle because the manufacutrer could not
>>>>>build it correctly. I realize Hyundai is not the only manufacturer
>>>>>that has a poor drive-by-wire throttle. Mercedes has a model that has
>>>>>an even worse throttle than Hyundai. What bothers me is the Accord
>>>>>also has a drive-by-wire throttle. And the lowly Nissan Sentra. Both
>>>>>of them have silky smooth acceleration. You would never know they are
>>>>>drive-by-wire. My gut feeling is the programming is wrong on the
>>>>>Hyundai throttle and they have, despite countless attempts, never been
>>>>>able to get it right. Some people are more sensitive to problems in
>>>>>cars. Many others wouldn't know their car has a problem even after it
>>>>>is pointed out to them. I know I am the former; I have always been
>>>>>the first to know if something is going wrong in a car well before the
>>>>>mechanic or other drivers feel/see it. That is why I did well as an
>>>>>automotive mechanic for so many years; I could tell what was wrong
>>>>>with a car and I knew how to fix it. My family and friends still come
>>>>>to me for advice and diagnosis on their car problems even though I
>>>>>have not worked professionally on cars for several years. I have
>>>>>spoken with owners of Hyundais who LOVE their cars and others (like
>>>>>me) who regret ever waling into the dealerships. I realize all
>>>>>manufacturers have some problem cars; that is why we have lemon laws.
>>>>>
09-01-2003, 01:05 PM
#9
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: XG350
On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 16:41:41 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
No it does not have a sticker.
>In article <abi3lvsgs82lbk183i77pll92cf0birgss@4ax.com>, KR <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:11:43 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>1/13/02 manufacture date
>
>Does your XG have a sticker under the plate like the one shown in this
>picture?
>http://www.hmaservice.com/xml/graphics/02/0236007a1.jpg
>
>
>>>In article <d3e1lvgi0hd7e2dab6hut3qoqnlu43kde1@4ax.com>, KR
>> <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:04:47 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>2002 XG350L purchased brand new in May of 2002 presently with 13,000
>>>>miles.
>>>
>>>What's the manufacture date of your car?
>>>
>>>>>In article <bvlvkvs1nga6osff4770aesua9gjjhjf0d@4ax.com>, KR
>>>> <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:54:56 -0700, TM <none@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My car has been in and "reprogrammed" three times. They have never
>>>>>
>>>>>What year XG350 is yours?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>been able to fix the throttle. I too have learned to drive it without
>>>>>>(most of the time) squeeling the tires but it is ridiculous to have to
>>>>>>"learn" how to depress a throttle because the manufacutrer could not
>>>>>>build it correctly. I realize Hyundai is not the only manufacturer
>>>>>>that has a poor drive-by-wire throttle. Mercedes has a model that has
>>>>>>an even worse throttle than Hyundai. What bothers me is the Accord
>>>>>>also has a drive-by-wire throttle. And the lowly Nissan Sentra. Both
>>>>>>of them have silky smooth acceleration. You would never know they are
>>>>>>drive-by-wire. My gut feeling is the programming is wrong on the
>>>>>>Hyundai throttle and they have, despite countless attempts, never been
>>>>>>able to get it right. Some people are more sensitive to problems in
>>>>>>cars. Many others wouldn't know their car has a problem even after it
>>>>>>is pointed out to them. I know I am the former; I have always been
>>>>>>the first to know if something is going wrong in a car well before the
>>>>>>mechanic or other drivers feel/see it. That is why I did well as an
>>>>>>automotive mechanic for so many years; I could tell what was wrong
>>>>>>with a car and I knew how to fix it. My family and friends still come
>>>>>>to me for advice and diagnosis on their car problems even though I
>>>>>>have not worked professionally on cars for several years. I have
>>>>>>spoken with owners of Hyundais who LOVE their cars and others (like
>>>>>>me) who regret ever waling into the dealerships. I realize all
>>>>>>manufacturers have some problem cars; that is why we have lemon laws.
>>>>>>
No it does not have a sticker.
>In article <abi3lvsgs82lbk183i77pll92cf0birgss@4ax.com>, KR <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:11:43 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>1/13/02 manufacture date
>
>Does your XG have a sticker under the plate like the one shown in this
>picture?
>http://www.hmaservice.com/xml/graphics/02/0236007a1.jpg
>
>
>>>In article <d3e1lvgi0hd7e2dab6hut3qoqnlu43kde1@4ax.com>, KR
>> <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:04:47 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>2002 XG350L purchased brand new in May of 2002 presently with 13,000
>>>>miles.
>>>
>>>What's the manufacture date of your car?
>>>
>>>>>In article <bvlvkvs1nga6osff4770aesua9gjjhjf0d@4ax.com>, KR
>>>> <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:54:56 -0700, TM <none@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My car has been in and "reprogrammed" three times. They have never
>>>>>
>>>>>What year XG350 is yours?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>been able to fix the throttle. I too have learned to drive it without
>>>>>>(most of the time) squeeling the tires but it is ridiculous to have to
>>>>>>"learn" how to depress a throttle because the manufacutrer could not
>>>>>>build it correctly. I realize Hyundai is not the only manufacturer
>>>>>>that has a poor drive-by-wire throttle. Mercedes has a model that has
>>>>>>an even worse throttle than Hyundai. What bothers me is the Accord
>>>>>>also has a drive-by-wire throttle. And the lowly Nissan Sentra. Both
>>>>>>of them have silky smooth acceleration. You would never know they are
>>>>>>drive-by-wire. My gut feeling is the programming is wrong on the
>>>>>>Hyundai throttle and they have, despite countless attempts, never been
>>>>>>able to get it right. Some people are more sensitive to problems in
>>>>>>cars. Many others wouldn't know their car has a problem even after it
>>>>>>is pointed out to them. I know I am the former; I have always been
>>>>>>the first to know if something is going wrong in a car well before the
>>>>>>mechanic or other drivers feel/see it. That is why I did well as an
>>>>>>automotive mechanic for so many years; I could tell what was wrong
>>>>>>with a car and I knew how to fix it. My family and friends still come
>>>>>>to me for advice and diagnosis on their car problems even though I
>>>>>>have not worked professionally on cars for several years. I have
>>>>>>spoken with owners of Hyundais who LOVE their cars and others (like
>>>>>>me) who regret ever waling into the dealerships. I realize all
>>>>>>manufacturers have some problem cars; that is why we have lemon laws.
>>>>>>
09-01-2003, 01:53 PM
#10
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Posts: n/a
Re: XG350
In article <m1v6lv0oipepcr4kdukd96m01j37p95i5k@4ax.com>, KR <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 16:41:41 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>No it does not have a sticker.
Your car can be reprogrammed twice at most.
It's not possible to reprogram it three times as you said.
If you want to know why that is so, post the V.I.N. and servicing dealer's
name.
>>In article <abi3lvsgs82lbk183i77pll92cf0birgss@4ax.com>, KR
> <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:11:43 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
>>>1/13/02 manufacture date
>>
>>Does your XG have a sticker under the plate like the one shown in this
>>picture?
>>http://www.hmaservice.com/xml/graphics/02/0236007a1.jpg
>>
>>
>>>>In article <d3e1lvgi0hd7e2dab6hut3qoqnlu43kde1@4ax.com>, KR
>>> <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:04:47 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>2002 XG350L purchased brand new in May of 2002 presently with 13,000
>>>>>miles.
>>>>
>>>>What's the manufacture date of your car?
>>>>
>>>>>>In article <bvlvkvs1nga6osff4770aesua9gjjhjf0d@4ax.com>, KR
>>>>> <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:54:56 -0700, TM <none@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>My car has been in and "reprogrammed" three times. They have never
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What year XG350 is yours?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>been able to fix the throttle. I too have learned to drive it without
>>>>>>>(most of the time) squeeling the tires but it is ridiculous to have to
>>>>>>>"learn" how to depress a throttle because the manufacutrer could not
>>>>>>>build it correctly. I realize Hyundai is not the only manufacturer
>>>>>>>that has a poor drive-by-wire throttle. Mercedes has a model that has
>>>>>>>an even worse throttle than Hyundai. What bothers me is the Accord
>>>>>>>also has a drive-by-wire throttle. And the lowly Nissan Sentra. Both
>>>>>>>of them have silky smooth acceleration. You would never know they are
>>>>>>>drive-by-wire. My gut feeling is the programming is wrong on the
>>>>>>>Hyundai throttle and they have, despite countless attempts, never been
>>>>>>>able to get it right. Some people are more sensitive to problems in
>>>>>>>cars. Many others wouldn't know their car has a problem even after it
>>>>>>>is pointed out to them. I know I am the former; I have always been
>>>>>>>the first to know if something is going wrong in a car well before the
>>>>>>>mechanic or other drivers feel/see it. That is why I did well as an
>>>>>>>automotive mechanic for so many years; I could tell what was wrong
>>>>>>>with a car and I knew how to fix it. My family and friends still come
>>>>>>>to me for advice and diagnosis on their car problems even though I
>>>>>>>have not worked professionally on cars for several years. I have
>>>>>>>spoken with owners of Hyundais who LOVE their cars and others (like
>>>>>>>me) who regret ever waling into the dealerships. I realize all
>>>>>>>manufacturers have some problem cars; that is why we have lemon laws.
>>>>>>>
>
>On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 16:41:41 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>No it does not have a sticker.
Your car can be reprogrammed twice at most.
It's not possible to reprogram it three times as you said.
If you want to know why that is so, post the V.I.N. and servicing dealer's
name.
>>In article <abi3lvsgs82lbk183i77pll92cf0birgss@4ax.com>, KR
> <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:11:43 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
>>>1/13/02 manufacture date
>>
>>Does your XG have a sticker under the plate like the one shown in this
>>picture?
>>http://www.hmaservice.com/xml/graphics/02/0236007a1.jpg
>>
>>
>>>>In article <d3e1lvgi0hd7e2dab6hut3qoqnlu43kde1@4ax.com>, KR
>>> <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:04:47 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>2002 XG350L purchased brand new in May of 2002 presently with 13,000
>>>>>miles.
>>>>
>>>>What's the manufacture date of your car?
>>>>
>>>>>>In article <bvlvkvs1nga6osff4770aesua9gjjhjf0d@4ax.com>, KR
>>>>> <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:54:56 -0700, TM <none@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>My car has been in and "reprogrammed" three times. They have never
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What year XG350 is yours?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>been able to fix the throttle. I too have learned to drive it without
>>>>>>>(most of the time) squeeling the tires but it is ridiculous to have to
>>>>>>>"learn" how to depress a throttle because the manufacutrer could not
>>>>>>>build it correctly. I realize Hyundai is not the only manufacturer
>>>>>>>that has a poor drive-by-wire throttle. Mercedes has a model that has
>>>>>>>an even worse throttle than Hyundai. What bothers me is the Accord
>>>>>>>also has a drive-by-wire throttle. And the lowly Nissan Sentra. Both
>>>>>>>of them have silky smooth acceleration. You would never know they are
>>>>>>>drive-by-wire. My gut feeling is the programming is wrong on the
>>>>>>>Hyundai throttle and they have, despite countless attempts, never been
>>>>>>>able to get it right. Some people are more sensitive to problems in
>>>>>>>cars. Many others wouldn't know their car has a problem even after it
>>>>>>>is pointed out to them. I know I am the former; I have always been
>>>>>>>the first to know if something is going wrong in a car well before the
>>>>>>>mechanic or other drivers feel/see it. That is why I did well as an
>>>>>>>automotive mechanic for so many years; I could tell what was wrong
>>>>>>>with a car and I knew how to fix it. My family and friends still come
>>>>>>>to me for advice and diagnosis on their car problems even though I
>>>>>>>have not worked professionally on cars for several years. I have
>>>>>>>spoken with owners of Hyundais who LOVE their cars and others (like
>>>>>>>me) who regret ever waling into the dealerships. I realize all
>>>>>>>manufacturers have some problem cars; that is why we have lemon laws.
>>>>>>>
>
09-01-2003, 08:08 PM
#11
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: XG350
On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 17:53:44 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
I do not understand. Per what I read on the Hyundai website the module
can be flashed as needed. Why only twice?
>In article <m1v6lv0oipepcr4kdukd96m01j37p95i5k@4ax.com>, KR <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 16:41:41 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>No it does not have a sticker.
>
>Your car can be reprogrammed twice at most.
>It's not possible to reprogram it three times as you said.
>If you want to know why that is so, post the V.I.N. and servicing dealer's
>name.
>
>>>In article <abi3lvsgs82lbk183i77pll92cf0birgss@4ax.com>, KR
>> <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:11:43 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>1/13/02 manufacture date
>>>
>>>Does your XG have a sticker under the plate like the one shown in this
>>>picture?
>>>http://www.hmaservice.com/xml/graphics/02/0236007a1.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>>>>In article <d3e1lvgi0hd7e2dab6hut3qoqnlu43kde1@4ax.com>, KR
>>>> <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:04:47 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>2002 XG350L purchased brand new in May of 2002 presently with 13,000
>>>>>>miles.
>>>>>
>>>>>What's the manufacture date of your car?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>In article <bvlvkvs1nga6osff4770aesua9gjjhjf0d@4ax.com>, KR
>>>>>> <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:54:56 -0700, TM <none@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My car has been in and "reprogrammed" three times. They have never
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What year XG350 is yours?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>been able to fix the throttle. I too have learned to drive it without
>>>>>>>>(most of the time) squeeling the tires but it is ridiculous to have to
>>>>>>>>"learn" how to depress a throttle because the manufacutrer could not
>>>>>>>>build it correctly. I realize Hyundai is not the only manufacturer
>>>>>>>>that has a poor drive-by-wire throttle. Mercedes has a model that has
>>>>>>>>an even worse throttle than Hyundai. What bothers me is the Accord
>>>>>>>>also has a drive-by-wire throttle. And the lowly Nissan Sentra. Both
>>>>>>>>of them have silky smooth acceleration. You would never know they are
>>>>>>>>drive-by-wire. My gut feeling is the programming is wrong on the
>>>>>>>>Hyundai throttle and they have, despite countless attempts, never been
>>>>>>>>able to get it right. Some people are more sensitive to problems in
>>>>>>>>cars. Many others wouldn't know their car has a problem even after it
>>>>>>>>is pointed out to them. I know I am the former; I have always been
>>>>>>>>the first to know if something is going wrong in a car well before the
>>>>>>>>mechanic or other drivers feel/see it. That is why I did well as an
>>>>>>>>automotive mechanic for so many years; I could tell what was wrong
>>>>>>>>with a car and I knew how to fix it. My family and friends still come
>>>>>>>>to me for advice and diagnosis on their car problems even though I
>>>>>>>>have not worked professionally on cars for several years. I have
>>>>>>>>spoken with owners of Hyundais who LOVE their cars and others (like
>>>>>>>>me) who regret ever waling into the dealerships. I realize all
>>>>>>>>manufacturers have some problem cars; that is why we have lemon laws.
>>>>>>>>
>>
I do not understand. Per what I read on the Hyundai website the module
can be flashed as needed. Why only twice?
>In article <m1v6lv0oipepcr4kdukd96m01j37p95i5k@4ax.com>, KR <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 16:41:41 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>No it does not have a sticker.
>
>Your car can be reprogrammed twice at most.
>It's not possible to reprogram it three times as you said.
>If you want to know why that is so, post the V.I.N. and servicing dealer's
>name.
>
>>>In article <abi3lvsgs82lbk183i77pll92cf0birgss@4ax.com>, KR
>> <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:11:43 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>1/13/02 manufacture date
>>>
>>>Does your XG have a sticker under the plate like the one shown in this
>>>picture?
>>>http://www.hmaservice.com/xml/graphics/02/0236007a1.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>>>>In article <d3e1lvgi0hd7e2dab6hut3qoqnlu43kde1@4ax.com>, KR
>>>> <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:04:47 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>2002 XG350L purchased brand new in May of 2002 presently with 13,000
>>>>>>miles.
>>>>>
>>>>>What's the manufacture date of your car?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>In article <bvlvkvs1nga6osff4770aesua9gjjhjf0d@4ax.com>, KR
>>>>>> <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:54:56 -0700, TM <none@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My car has been in and "reprogrammed" three times. They have never
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What year XG350 is yours?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>been able to fix the throttle. I too have learned to drive it without
>>>>>>>>(most of the time) squeeling the tires but it is ridiculous to have to
>>>>>>>>"learn" how to depress a throttle because the manufacutrer could not
>>>>>>>>build it correctly. I realize Hyundai is not the only manufacturer
>>>>>>>>that has a poor drive-by-wire throttle. Mercedes has a model that has
>>>>>>>>an even worse throttle than Hyundai. What bothers me is the Accord
>>>>>>>>also has a drive-by-wire throttle. And the lowly Nissan Sentra. Both
>>>>>>>>of them have silky smooth acceleration. You would never know they are
>>>>>>>>drive-by-wire. My gut feeling is the programming is wrong on the
>>>>>>>>Hyundai throttle and they have, despite countless attempts, never been
>>>>>>>>able to get it right. Some people are more sensitive to problems in
>>>>>>>>cars. Many others wouldn't know their car has a problem even after it
>>>>>>>>is pointed out to them. I know I am the former; I have always been
>>>>>>>>the first to know if something is going wrong in a car well before the
>>>>>>>>mechanic or other drivers feel/see it. That is why I did well as an
>>>>>>>>automotive mechanic for so many years; I could tell what was wrong
>>>>>>>>with a car and I knew how to fix it. My family and friends still come
>>>>>>>>to me for advice and diagnosis on their car problems even though I
>>>>>>>>have not worked professionally on cars for several years. I have
>>>>>>>>spoken with owners of Hyundais who LOVE their cars and others (like
>>>>>>>>me) who regret ever waling into the dealerships. I realize all
>>>>>>>>manufacturers have some problem cars; that is why we have lemon laws.
>>>>>>>>
>>
09-01-2003, 08:08 PM
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Re: XG350
On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 17:53:44 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
Also the frist time the dealer "reset" the control module. They said
they reprogrammed but I understood that they removed the power
(disconnected the battery) until the module reset to its factrory
default setting. The second time they flashed the prom with the scan
tool. The third time they flashed it again with the latest program
(see the TSB's referrred to on the website) so when I said three times
it has actually been twice.
>In article <m1v6lv0oipepcr4kdukd96m01j37p95i5k@4ax.com>, KR <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 16:41:41 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>No it does not have a sticker.
>
>Your car can be reprogrammed twice at most.
>It's not possible to reprogram it three times as you said.
>If you want to know why that is so, post the V.I.N. and servicing dealer's
>name.
>
>>>In article <abi3lvsgs82lbk183i77pll92cf0birgss@4ax.com>, KR
>> <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:11:43 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>1/13/02 manufacture date
>>>
>>>Does your XG have a sticker under the plate like the one shown in this
>>>picture?
>>>http://www.hmaservice.com/xml/graphics/02/0236007a1.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>>>>In article <d3e1lvgi0hd7e2dab6hut3qoqnlu43kde1@4ax.com>, KR
>>>> <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:04:47 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>2002 XG350L purchased brand new in May of 2002 presently with 13,000
>>>>>>miles.
>>>>>
>>>>>What's the manufacture date of your car?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>In article <bvlvkvs1nga6osff4770aesua9gjjhjf0d@4ax.com>, KR
>>>>>> <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:54:56 -0700, TM <none@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My car has been in and "reprogrammed" three times. They have never
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What year XG350 is yours?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>been able to fix the throttle. I too have learned to drive it without
>>>>>>>>(most of the time) squeeling the tires but it is ridiculous to have to
>>>>>>>>"learn" how to depress a throttle because the manufacutrer could not
>>>>>>>>build it correctly. I realize Hyundai is not the only manufacturer
>>>>>>>>that has a poor drive-by-wire throttle. Mercedes has a model that has
>>>>>>>>an even worse throttle than Hyundai. What bothers me is the Accord
>>>>>>>>also has a drive-by-wire throttle. And the lowly Nissan Sentra. Both
>>>>>>>>of them have silky smooth acceleration. You would never know they are
>>>>>>>>drive-by-wire. My gut feeling is the programming is wrong on the
>>>>>>>>Hyundai throttle and they have, despite countless attempts, never been
>>>>>>>>able to get it right. Some people are more sensitive to problems in
>>>>>>>>cars. Many others wouldn't know their car has a problem even after it
>>>>>>>>is pointed out to them. I know I am the former; I have always been
>>>>>>>>the first to know if something is going wrong in a car well before the
>>>>>>>>mechanic or other drivers feel/see it. That is why I did well as an
>>>>>>>>automotive mechanic for so many years; I could tell what was wrong
>>>>>>>>with a car and I knew how to fix it. My family and friends still come
>>>>>>>>to me for advice and diagnosis on their car problems even though I
>>>>>>>>have not worked professionally on cars for several years. I have
>>>>>>>>spoken with owners of Hyundais who LOVE their cars and others (like
>>>>>>>>me) who regret ever waling into the dealerships. I realize all
>>>>>>>>manufacturers have some problem cars; that is why we have lemon laws.
>>>>>>>>
>>
Also the frist time the dealer "reset" the control module. They said
they reprogrammed but I understood that they removed the power
(disconnected the battery) until the module reset to its factrory
default setting. The second time they flashed the prom with the scan
tool. The third time they flashed it again with the latest program
(see the TSB's referrred to on the website) so when I said three times
it has actually been twice.
>In article <m1v6lv0oipepcr4kdukd96m01j37p95i5k@4ax.com>, KR <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 16:41:41 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>No it does not have a sticker.
>
>Your car can be reprogrammed twice at most.
>It's not possible to reprogram it three times as you said.
>If you want to know why that is so, post the V.I.N. and servicing dealer's
>name.
>
>>>In article <abi3lvsgs82lbk183i77pll92cf0birgss@4ax.com>, KR
>> <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:11:43 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>1/13/02 manufacture date
>>>
>>>Does your XG have a sticker under the plate like the one shown in this
>>>picture?
>>>http://www.hmaservice.com/xml/graphics/02/0236007a1.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>>>>In article <d3e1lvgi0hd7e2dab6hut3qoqnlu43kde1@4ax.com>, KR
>>>> <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:04:47 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>2002 XG350L purchased brand new in May of 2002 presently with 13,000
>>>>>>miles.
>>>>>
>>>>>What's the manufacture date of your car?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>In article <bvlvkvs1nga6osff4770aesua9gjjhjf0d@4ax.com>, KR
>>>>>> <royalty2009@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:54:56 -0700, TM <none@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My car has been in and "reprogrammed" three times. They have never
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What year XG350 is yours?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>been able to fix the throttle. I too have learned to drive it without
>>>>>>>>(most of the time) squeeling the tires but it is ridiculous to have to
>>>>>>>>"learn" how to depress a throttle because the manufacutrer could not
>>>>>>>>build it correctly. I realize Hyundai is not the only manufacturer
>>>>>>>>that has a poor drive-by-wire throttle. Mercedes has a model that has
>>>>>>>>an even worse throttle than Hyundai. What bothers me is the Accord
>>>>>>>>also has a drive-by-wire throttle. And the lowly Nissan Sentra. Both
>>>>>>>>of them have silky smooth acceleration. You would never know they are
>>>>>>>>drive-by-wire. My gut feeling is the programming is wrong on the
>>>>>>>>Hyundai throttle and they have, despite countless attempts, never been
>>>>>>>>able to get it right. Some people are more sensitive to problems in
>>>>>>>>cars. Many others wouldn't know their car has a problem even after it
>>>>>>>>is pointed out to them. I know I am the former; I have always been
>>>>>>>>the first to know if something is going wrong in a car well before the
>>>>>>>>mechanic or other drivers feel/see it. That is why I did well as an
>>>>>>>>automotive mechanic for so many years; I could tell what was wrong
>>>>>>>>with a car and I knew how to fix it. My family and friends still come
>>>>>>>>to me for advice and diagnosis on their car problems even though I
>>>>>>>>have not worked professionally on cars for several years. I have
>>>>>>>>spoken with owners of Hyundais who LOVE their cars and others (like
>>>>>>>>me) who regret ever waling into the dealerships. I realize all
>>>>>>>>manufacturers have some problem cars; that is why we have lemon laws.
>>>>>>>>
>>
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