Reliability of Hyndai Sonata
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On Oct 24, 9:19 am, the beaver <b...@harvard.edu> wrote:
> My Hyundai Sonata is a 2000. I assume it's Korean made. Again, my issue is
> not so much with the car (which I still drive every day), it's with the
> manufacturer. The other two people I know had 2002 Sonatas. None of us will
> ever buy a Hyundai again.
>
Your loss
If your seven year old clunker is what you base 2007 &
10/12ths purchase on
Good luck to you
The 07 ones we have a brillient
> My Hyundai Sonata is a 2000. I assume it's Korean made. Again, my issue is
> not so much with the car (which I still drive every day), it's with the
> manufacturer. The other two people I know had 2002 Sonatas. None of us will
> ever buy a Hyundai again.
>
Your loss
If your seven year old clunker is what you base 2007 &10/12ths purchase on
Good luck to you
The 07 ones we have a brillient
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southluke wrote:
> This is as objective an answer as I can come up with to defend my
> previous postings stating I will buy a Honda next time.
>
> And by the way, 1984 models are not a very good comparison for todays
> models. Hyundai's were about like Yugo's in 1984.
My issue with Honda was far more about the treatment I received from the
dealer and from the Honda zone office than it was the engine failure
itself, although that was certainly bad. I won't repeat the entire
story here, but let's just say that not only did Honda not stand behind
their car, they actually sent me two letters from the zone office one of
which was both accusatory and insulting and a second which was just
plain stupid. I haven't bought anything since that bears the Honda name
nor will I.
Matt
> This is as objective an answer as I can come up with to defend my
> previous postings stating I will buy a Honda next time.
>
> And by the way, 1984 models are not a very good comparison for todays
> models. Hyundai's were about like Yugo's in 1984.
My issue with Honda was far more about the treatment I received from the
dealer and from the Honda zone office than it was the engine failure
itself, although that was certainly bad. I won't repeat the entire
story here, but let's just say that not only did Honda not stand behind
their car, they actually sent me two letters from the zone office one of
which was both accusatory and insulting and a second which was just
plain stupid. I haven't bought anything since that bears the Honda name
nor will I.
Matt
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thebeaver wrote:
> I own a Hyundai Sonata (100K) and a Honda Accord (50K). I would not buy a
> Hyundai again, primarily because I shared the same experience of getting a poor
> response from Hyundai America on an obvious defect. I had to sue Hyundai in
> small claims court before the manufacturer agreed to pay for the repair. They
> insisted on a confidentiality agreement, which is why I cannot elaborate. I
> have also had more costly repairs on my Sonata (e.g., electric window
> regulators, real wheel bearings). I do not think that Hyundai's are bad cars -
> I just won't reward a manufacturer that doesn't care about customer
> satisfaction with future purchases. I should add that I know of two other
> people who had similar bad experiences with Hyundai America. By contrast, my
> Hyundai dealer has been top notch in terms of service.
>
> My Honda has been very reliable thru 50K - no repairs other than normal
> maintenance.
Why not post this same message 5 or 6 more times?
Matt
> I own a Hyundai Sonata (100K) and a Honda Accord (50K). I would not buy a
> Hyundai again, primarily because I shared the same experience of getting a poor
> response from Hyundai America on an obvious defect. I had to sue Hyundai in
> small claims court before the manufacturer agreed to pay for the repair. They
> insisted on a confidentiality agreement, which is why I cannot elaborate. I
> have also had more costly repairs on my Sonata (e.g., electric window
> regulators, real wheel bearings). I do not think that Hyundai's are bad cars -
> I just won't reward a manufacturer that doesn't care about customer
> satisfaction with future purchases. I should add that I know of two other
> people who had similar bad experiences with Hyundai America. By contrast, my
> Hyundai dealer has been top notch in terms of service.
>
> My Honda has been very reliable thru 50K - no repairs other than normal
> maintenance.
Why not post this same message 5 or 6 more times?
Matt
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On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:58:25 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net>
wrote:
>southluke wrote:
>
>> This is as objective an answer as I can come up with to defend my
>> previous postings stating I will buy a Honda next time.
>>
>> And by the way, 1984 models are not a very good comparison for todays
>> models. Hyundai's were about like Yugo's in 1984.
>
>My issue with Honda was far more about the treatment I received from the
>dealer and from the Honda zone office than it was the engine failure
>itself, although that was certainly bad. I won't repeat the entire
>story here, but let's just say that not only did Honda not stand behind
>their car, they actually sent me two letters from the zone office one of
> which was both accusatory and insulting and a second which was just
>plain stupid. I haven't bought anything since that bears the Honda name
>nor will I.
>
>Matt
My first brand new car was a Dodge Aries. Major problems.
My 2nd brand new car was a Buick Skylark, blown tranny at 35,000
miles, not covered. My 3rd brand new car was a Saturn LS2, still more
problems and very expensive ones. My last new car was my 2004 Sonata.
It's been problem free and it's at 65,000 miles now. I always do the
scheduled maintenance on all my cars. The Dodge, Buick and Saturn all
had very expensive repairs after the warranty was up. My Sonata has
been the best new car I've ever bought. It still runs like a new car
and I will definitely buy another Hyundai. But my best car ever was my
used 1966 Dodge Dart with the slant 6 engine. I could do all the work
myself, the parts were cheap and the engine lasted 200,000 miles until
I totaled the car out in a snowstorm. But I sold the motor to a friend
who put it in a bread truck and it still ran for 3 more years. Auto
makes don't make cars to last anymore, otherwise people wouldn't buy
new cars every 5 or 6 years. And the parts are 20X as much as they
used to be.
Brian
wrote:
>southluke wrote:
>
>> This is as objective an answer as I can come up with to defend my
>> previous postings stating I will buy a Honda next time.
>>
>> And by the way, 1984 models are not a very good comparison for todays
>> models. Hyundai's were about like Yugo's in 1984.
>
>My issue with Honda was far more about the treatment I received from the
>dealer and from the Honda zone office than it was the engine failure
>itself, although that was certainly bad. I won't repeat the entire
>story here, but let's just say that not only did Honda not stand behind
>their car, they actually sent me two letters from the zone office one of
> which was both accusatory and insulting and a second which was just
>plain stupid. I haven't bought anything since that bears the Honda name
>nor will I.
>
>Matt
My first brand new car was a Dodge Aries. Major problems.
My 2nd brand new car was a Buick Skylark, blown tranny at 35,000
miles, not covered. My 3rd brand new car was a Saturn LS2, still more
problems and very expensive ones. My last new car was my 2004 Sonata.
It's been problem free and it's at 65,000 miles now. I always do the
scheduled maintenance on all my cars. The Dodge, Buick and Saturn all
had very expensive repairs after the warranty was up. My Sonata has
been the best new car I've ever bought. It still runs like a new car
and I will definitely buy another Hyundai. But my best car ever was my
used 1966 Dodge Dart with the slant 6 engine. I could do all the work
myself, the parts were cheap and the engine lasted 200,000 miles until
I totaled the car out in a snowstorm. But I sold the motor to a friend
who put it in a bread truck and it still ran for 3 more years. Auto
makes don't make cars to last anymore, otherwise people wouldn't buy
new cars every 5 or 6 years. And the parts are 20X as much as they
used to be.
Brian
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I was not used to the software and by mistake created multiple postings. sorry
Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>thebeaver wrote:
>> I own a Hyundai Sonata (100K) and a Honda Accord (50K). I would not buy a
>> Hyundai again, primarily because I shared the same experience of getting a
>>poor
>> response from Hyundai America on an obvious defect. I had to sue Hyundai in
>> small claims court before the manufacturer agreed to pay for the repair.
>>They
>> insisted on a confidentiality agreement, which is why I cannot elaborate. I
>> have also had more costly repairs on my Sonata (e.g., electric window
>> regulators, real wheel bearings). I do not think that Hyundai's are bad
>>cars -
>> I just won't reward a manufacturer that doesn't care about customer
>> satisfaction with future purchases. I should add that I know of two other
>> people who had similar bad experiences with Hyundai America. By contrast,
>>my
>> Hyundai dealer has been top notch in terms of service.
>>
>> My Honda has been very reliable thru 50K - no repairs other than normal
>> maintenance.
>
>Why not post this same message 5 or 6 more times?
>
>Matt
Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>thebeaver wrote:
>> I own a Hyundai Sonata (100K) and a Honda Accord (50K). I would not buy a
>> Hyundai again, primarily because I shared the same experience of getting a
>>poor
>> response from Hyundai America on an obvious defect. I had to sue Hyundai in
>> small claims court before the manufacturer agreed to pay for the repair.
>>They
>> insisted on a confidentiality agreement, which is why I cannot elaborate. I
>> have also had more costly repairs on my Sonata (e.g., electric window
>> regulators, real wheel bearings). I do not think that Hyundai's are bad
>>cars -
>> I just won't reward a manufacturer that doesn't care about customer
>> satisfaction with future purchases. I should add that I know of two other
>> people who had similar bad experiences with Hyundai America. By contrast,
>>my
>> Hyundai dealer has been top notch in terms of service.
>>
>> My Honda has been very reliable thru 50K - no repairs other than normal
>> maintenance.
>
>Why not post this same message 5 or 6 more times?
>
>Matt
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On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:10:36 -0500, "razz" <razz@mts.net> wrote:
>Our Honda Accord made 35000 miles before we trashed it. The cam lobes had
>worn at 35000 miles? Come on, Honda's reliability, pure . Never, ever,
>will I buy a Honda again.
Never say never. You may be shooting yourself in the foot by ruling
out an entire brand.
Cars are redesigned every 3-5 years, and a bad one can suddenly become
great.
I have had nothing but trouble from my "bullet proof" Toyota pickup,
but the way it looks now, my next one will be a Toyota. Not because of
brand loyalty, but because I think the Toyota truck sucks less than
the rest.
-
Bob
>Our Honda Accord made 35000 miles before we trashed it. The cam lobes had
>worn at 35000 miles? Come on, Honda's reliability, pure . Never, ever,
>will I buy a Honda again.
Never say never. You may be shooting yourself in the foot by ruling
out an entire brand.
Cars are redesigned every 3-5 years, and a bad one can suddenly become
great.
I have had nothing but trouble from my "bullet proof" Toyota pickup,
but the way it looks now, my next one will be a Toyota. Not because of
brand loyalty, but because I think the Toyota truck sucks less than
the rest.
-
Bob
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Bob Adkins wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:10:36 -0500, "razz" <razz@mts.net> wrote:
>
>> Our Honda Accord made 35000 miles before we trashed it. The cam lobes had
>> worn at 35000 miles? Come on, Honda's reliability, pure . Never, ever,
>> will I buy a Honda again.
>
> Never say never. You may be shooting yourself in the foot by ruling
> out an entire brand.
>
> Cars are redesigned every 3-5 years, and a bad one can suddenly become
> great.
>
> I have had nothing but trouble from my "bullet proof" Toyota pickup,
> but the way it looks now, my next one will be a Toyota. Not because of
> brand loyalty, but because I think the Toyota truck sucks less than
> the rest.
I dunno. I recently test drove a new Tundra because Toyota gave me $50
to spend at Home Depot for taking the test drive. I was not impressed
at all. I like my 1994 Chevy K1500 with 100K miles better than the new
Tundra. Yes, the Tundra has more power and was a little quieter, but
almost everything else was negative compared to the Chevy.
The Toyota was like the old F250 Fords where you need a ladder to get
in. The visibility out is terrible! The front pillars are extremely
wide and the tailgate is so tall that combined with the height of the
rear of the truck, you could hide a minivan behind it. The steering was
vague and the thing had a beeper that beeped constantly when you shifted
into 4-Lo. Very annoying. And the truck is ugly to top it off.
After driving one, I'd never consider buying one. I think the salesman
thought I was joking when I said I liked my 13 year-old Chevy better
than his brand new Toyota, but I was actually dead serious.
Matt
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:10:36 -0500, "razz" <razz@mts.net> wrote:
>
>> Our Honda Accord made 35000 miles before we trashed it. The cam lobes had
>> worn at 35000 miles? Come on, Honda's reliability, pure . Never, ever,
>> will I buy a Honda again.
>
> Never say never. You may be shooting yourself in the foot by ruling
> out an entire brand.
>
> Cars are redesigned every 3-5 years, and a bad one can suddenly become
> great.
>
> I have had nothing but trouble from my "bullet proof" Toyota pickup,
> but the way it looks now, my next one will be a Toyota. Not because of
> brand loyalty, but because I think the Toyota truck sucks less than
> the rest.
I dunno. I recently test drove a new Tundra because Toyota gave me $50
to spend at Home Depot for taking the test drive. I was not impressed
at all. I like my 1994 Chevy K1500 with 100K miles better than the new
Tundra. Yes, the Tundra has more power and was a little quieter, but
almost everything else was negative compared to the Chevy.
The Toyota was like the old F250 Fords where you need a ladder to get
in. The visibility out is terrible! The front pillars are extremely
wide and the tailgate is so tall that combined with the height of the
rear of the truck, you could hide a minivan behind it. The steering was
vague and the thing had a beeper that beeped constantly when you shifted
into 4-Lo. Very annoying. And the truck is ugly to top it off.
After driving one, I'd never consider buying one. I think the salesman
thought I was joking when I said I liked my 13 year-old Chevy better
than his brand new Toyota, but I was actually dead serious.
Matt
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On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 01:02:56 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net>
wrote:
>I dunno. I recently test drove a new Tundra because Toyota gave me $50
>to spend at Home Depot for taking the test drive. I was not impressed
>at all. I like my 1994 Chevy K1500 with 100K miles better than the new
>Tundra. Yes, the Tundra has more power and was a little quieter, but
>almost everything else was negative compared to the Chevy.
>
>The Toyota was like the old F250 Fords where you need a ladder to get
>in. The visibility out is terrible! The front pillars are extremely
>wide and the tailgate is so tall that combined with the height of the
>rear of the truck, you could hide a minivan behind it. The steering was
>vague and the thing had a beeper that beeped constantly when you shifted
>into 4-Lo. Very annoying. And the truck is ugly to top it off.
>
>After driving one, I'd never consider buying one. I think the salesman
>thought I was joking when I said I liked my 13 year-old Chevy better
>than his brand new Toyota, but I was actually dead serious.
Matt,
I have driven a 2006 Tundra quite extensively, and found it just "OK".
If felt more like I was driving a big, floaty SUV than a rugged truck.
It's a moot point anyway. I'm in the market for a Tacoma-sized truck.
I drive on narrow grass lanes and levees on my property, and that big
ole Tundra would rut up my roads something awful.
I wish I could hold out until Hyundai markets a Tacoma-sized pickup
with a ~150hp diesel, but my old Toyota is on its last leg.
I'm not a brand loyalist by any means. All I care about it
reliability and bang for the buck.
-
Bob
wrote:
>I dunno. I recently test drove a new Tundra because Toyota gave me $50
>to spend at Home Depot for taking the test drive. I was not impressed
>at all. I like my 1994 Chevy K1500 with 100K miles better than the new
>Tundra. Yes, the Tundra has more power and was a little quieter, but
>almost everything else was negative compared to the Chevy.
>
>The Toyota was like the old F250 Fords where you need a ladder to get
>in. The visibility out is terrible! The front pillars are extremely
>wide and the tailgate is so tall that combined with the height of the
>rear of the truck, you could hide a minivan behind it. The steering was
>vague and the thing had a beeper that beeped constantly when you shifted
>into 4-Lo. Very annoying. And the truck is ugly to top it off.
>
>After driving one, I'd never consider buying one. I think the salesman
>thought I was joking when I said I liked my 13 year-old Chevy better
>than his brand new Toyota, but I was actually dead serious.
Matt,
I have driven a 2006 Tundra quite extensively, and found it just "OK".
If felt more like I was driving a big, floaty SUV than a rugged truck.
It's a moot point anyway. I'm in the market for a Tacoma-sized truck.
I drive on narrow grass lanes and levees on my property, and that big
ole Tundra would rut up my roads something awful.
I wish I could hold out until Hyundai markets a Tacoma-sized pickup
with a ~150hp diesel, but my old Toyota is on its last leg.
I'm not a brand loyalist by any means. All I care about it
reliability and bang for the buck.
-
Bob
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Hi,
I like your description.
I can join the common opinion about Hyundai.
It is a solid car maker now.
In Canada -42C in a winter is nothing unusual and
Hyundais are driven with no major problems here.
My friend drives '07 Sonata V6 and his car is ready
to ride as soon as engine powers up while Toyota and
Honda need to be warmed up in a winter before drive.
(in Ontario with -40C even Mercedes and BMW fail).
GA
Ontario
> We have two 2007 NF Elites in our fleet
> I prefer the 4 as it is averaging 7.7 litres per 100 kM now is
> coming into our hot weather here in AU
> and consumtion up to about 8.9 per 100 KM
>
> 80% of driving on dirt roads
>
> The car is the most dust proof vehicle I have ever driven Much better
> than BMW & Honda
> Given that it "flies" over heavily rutted roads at average of 100 KMPH
> last month has 41000 KM on it since March 23 2007
>
> Have tried hard but can not fault this vehicle the NF is a far nicer
> car than any previous Hyundai all round.
> Can not reccomend this vehicle highly enough .
> The boss cleaned up a roo in His Holden Statesman at about 90KMPH
> result $13000 damage ( no the airbags diid not deploy so the cost was
> all panel & paint)
>
> I had a "coming together" with an Even Bigger male red roo on dirt
> road at about 115 Kmph on a sweeper bend with ore truck coming other
> way so was a bit of a white knuckle change the undies moment .
> Awful loud bang and CRUNCH sound
> though oh here we go another 10+K off the budget ---------
>
> Can send the pics of the Damage !!! $85.00 for crack repair to the
> griill and under pan cracked so body repair just plastic welded it and
> replaced reatining clips .
>
> Truly AMAZING Vehicle
>
> Only fault was on delivery day CD changer failed and they replaced at
> first service and flew part to the bush ------- Hyundai Australia head
> office followed up and even sent $ to replace chewed up disk !!!!
> If you send mail to spamlister at gmail dot com happy to supply pics
>
> I have yet to receive such excellent service from any other
> manufacture of anything ( Intel and HP take note )
>
> One complaint I do have is the fitment of OEM tyres to Australian
> vehicles Dunlop SP 270 Series 225/50/17 European silica compound
> They drive superb But wear like blazes front set chewed out at 18000
> Kms (Australian dirt roads and tarmac temps of high 70 c ) test any
> tyre
> Replaced them with Kuhmos and Hankooks now no more Problems .
>
> This Korean gear is as we say here " is the ducks Guts " Means in
> Aussie speak top of the line .
> Mate if you are unhappy with a 07 Sonata reckon you are bloody hard
> to please
>
> Strangely there are still those who knock Sonatas maybe bad
> experiences or bias towards previous models (some of it deservedly so
> _ )
>
> Our fleet consists of Big Holdens Hyundais Mistubishi (yuk) many
> Toyotas a couple of Volvos and Fords (called falcons here) and the
> Sonata's running costs are the cheapest in the fleet .
> The drivers (who when heard they were being put into them including
> myself said dont want any of that Korean Crap ) well now apologise to
> the make as they are truly OUTSTANDING given what we do to them and
> driving conditions .
>
> Common sense and company rules is that we check and blow out the dust
> from the air filters end of each week is about the only non scheduled
> service performed on the whole fleet ( red dust here is full of FE and
> tests show 60.9 FE content of the dust) basicly powdered Iron and
> more than one local has paid the price for being slack and ended up
> dusting engines (stupid noddy some how put the air filter in **** up
> and allowed unfiltered air straight into the engine = oops ! )
>
> IMO you should have trouble free and very comfortable and safe
> driving experience . The vehicles on these dirt roads get driven hard
> and quick and are as sure footed as one could wish for (apart from
> constant 4wd subi's)
>
> Polen filters in air conditioning DO WORK and the seals etc keep all
> the hot air and dust and other nasties out .
>
> Windscreens here get broken regularly due to opposing traffic
> throwing up rocks etc ----- either by luck or strength having copped
> more than my fair share of rocks have not done one it yet only cars
> witjout a history of screens are the 3 Hyundais ---we are still trying
> to work out why this blip in the stats but not complaining
>
> At night (here looking to find fault) the lights run out of road
> so we slow down to 100 Ks ( wild life considerations) .
> The ABS and dynamics of the suspension and handling mean that if you
> prang one you have been driving like a clot . They handle far better
> than they should for the price even in the rare instance of rain on
> greasy muddy roads chewed up by road trains (see -
> http://www.kimberleyaustralia.com/im...ictures-11.jpg
> & http://www.framecraft.com.au/images/october/9b.jpg
> & http://www.framecraft.com.au/images/october/31b.jpg) for what a
> Aussie road train is you may begin to appreciate just how we punish
> our vehicles here.
>
> The cars are so good for the first time when we turn these over (at
> 75000) I shall buy the one I am currently in for the wife ---------
> they ARE THAT GOOD .
>
> And I have noting to do with Hyundai I just drive the buggers into the
> ground but heck they are hard to kill these things
> Enjoy happy and above all safe motoring with one if you eventually
> choose one
>
> Cheers From Australia
>
>
>
>
>
I like your description.
I can join the common opinion about Hyundai.
It is a solid car maker now.
In Canada -42C in a winter is nothing unusual and
Hyundais are driven with no major problems here.
My friend drives '07 Sonata V6 and his car is ready
to ride as soon as engine powers up while Toyota and
Honda need to be warmed up in a winter before drive.
(in Ontario with -40C even Mercedes and BMW fail).
GA
Ontario
> We have two 2007 NF Elites in our fleet
> I prefer the 4 as it is averaging 7.7 litres per 100 kM now is
> coming into our hot weather here in AU
> and consumtion up to about 8.9 per 100 KM
>
> 80% of driving on dirt roads
>
> The car is the most dust proof vehicle I have ever driven Much better
> than BMW & Honda
> Given that it "flies" over heavily rutted roads at average of 100 KMPH
> last month has 41000 KM on it since March 23 2007
>
> Have tried hard but can not fault this vehicle the NF is a far nicer
> car than any previous Hyundai all round.
> Can not reccomend this vehicle highly enough .
> The boss cleaned up a roo in His Holden Statesman at about 90KMPH
> result $13000 damage ( no the airbags diid not deploy so the cost was
> all panel & paint)
>
> I had a "coming together" with an Even Bigger male red roo on dirt
> road at about 115 Kmph on a sweeper bend with ore truck coming other
> way so was a bit of a white knuckle change the undies moment .
> Awful loud bang and CRUNCH sound
> though oh here we go another 10+K off the budget ---------
>
> Can send the pics of the Damage !!! $85.00 for crack repair to the
> griill and under pan cracked so body repair just plastic welded it and
> replaced reatining clips .
>
> Truly AMAZING Vehicle
>
> Only fault was on delivery day CD changer failed and they replaced at
> first service and flew part to the bush ------- Hyundai Australia head
> office followed up and even sent $ to replace chewed up disk !!!!
> If you send mail to spamlister at gmail dot com happy to supply pics
>
> I have yet to receive such excellent service from any other
> manufacture of anything ( Intel and HP take note )
>
> One complaint I do have is the fitment of OEM tyres to Australian
> vehicles Dunlop SP 270 Series 225/50/17 European silica compound
> They drive superb But wear like blazes front set chewed out at 18000
> Kms (Australian dirt roads and tarmac temps of high 70 c ) test any
> tyre
> Replaced them with Kuhmos and Hankooks now no more Problems .
>
> This Korean gear is as we say here " is the ducks Guts " Means in
> Aussie speak top of the line .
> Mate if you are unhappy with a 07 Sonata reckon you are bloody hard
> to please
>
> Strangely there are still those who knock Sonatas maybe bad
> experiences or bias towards previous models (some of it deservedly so
> _ )
>
> Our fleet consists of Big Holdens Hyundais Mistubishi (yuk) many
> Toyotas a couple of Volvos and Fords (called falcons here) and the
> Sonata's running costs are the cheapest in the fleet .
> The drivers (who when heard they were being put into them including
> myself said dont want any of that Korean Crap ) well now apologise to
> the make as they are truly OUTSTANDING given what we do to them and
> driving conditions .
>
> Common sense and company rules is that we check and blow out the dust
> from the air filters end of each week is about the only non scheduled
> service performed on the whole fleet ( red dust here is full of FE and
> tests show 60.9 FE content of the dust) basicly powdered Iron and
> more than one local has paid the price for being slack and ended up
> dusting engines (stupid noddy some how put the air filter in **** up
> and allowed unfiltered air straight into the engine = oops ! )
>
> IMO you should have trouble free and very comfortable and safe
> driving experience . The vehicles on these dirt roads get driven hard
> and quick and are as sure footed as one could wish for (apart from
> constant 4wd subi's)
>
> Polen filters in air conditioning DO WORK and the seals etc keep all
> the hot air and dust and other nasties out .
>
> Windscreens here get broken regularly due to opposing traffic
> throwing up rocks etc ----- either by luck or strength having copped
> more than my fair share of rocks have not done one it yet only cars
> witjout a history of screens are the 3 Hyundais ---we are still trying
> to work out why this blip in the stats but not complaining
>
> At night (here looking to find fault) the lights run out of road
> so we slow down to 100 Ks ( wild life considerations) .
> The ABS and dynamics of the suspension and handling mean that if you
> prang one you have been driving like a clot . They handle far better
> than they should for the price even in the rare instance of rain on
> greasy muddy roads chewed up by road trains (see -
> http://www.kimberleyaustralia.com/im...ictures-11.jpg
> & http://www.framecraft.com.au/images/october/9b.jpg
> & http://www.framecraft.com.au/images/october/31b.jpg) for what a
> Aussie road train is you may begin to appreciate just how we punish
> our vehicles here.
>
> The cars are so good for the first time when we turn these over (at
> 75000) I shall buy the one I am currently in for the wife ---------
> they ARE THAT GOOD .
>
> And I have noting to do with Hyundai I just drive the buggers into the
> ground but heck they are hard to kill these things
> Enjoy happy and above all safe motoring with one if you eventually
> choose one
>
> Cheers From Australia
>
>
>
>
>
Guest
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Re: Reliability of Hyndai Sonata
You're basing an opinion on a 1 year old vehicle! My 01 Sonata has had
nothing but problems, albeit none with the power train, yet. Have replaced
three window regulators, an alternator, water pump, paint peeling off the
door handles, replaced engine mounts twice. I could go on with quit a bit
more. But no engine failure yet, thank god.
"Gomez Adams" <rodzina_adamsow@noshit.poczta.gazeta.pl> wrote in message
news:474AE0A3.9030205@noshit.poczta.gazeta.pl...
> Hi,
> I like your description.
> I can join the common opinion about Hyundai.
> It is a solid car maker now.
>
> In Canada -42C in a winter is nothing unusual and
> Hyundais are driven with no major problems here.
>
> My friend drives '07 Sonata V6 and his car is ready
> to ride as soon as engine powers up while Toyota and
> Honda need to be warmed up in a winter before drive.
> (in Ontario with -40C even Mercedes and BMW fail).
>
> GA
> Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
> > We have two 2007 NF Elites in our fleet
> > I prefer the 4 as it is averaging 7.7 litres per 100 kM now is
> > coming into our hot weather here in AU
> > and consumtion up to about 8.9 per 100 KM
> >
> > 80% of driving on dirt roads
> >
> > The car is the most dust proof vehicle I have ever driven Much better
> > than BMW & Honda
> > Given that it "flies" over heavily rutted roads at average of 100 KMPH
> > last month has 41000 KM on it since March 23 2007
> >
> > Have tried hard but can not fault this vehicle the NF is a far nicer
> > car than any previous Hyundai all round.
> > Can not reccomend this vehicle highly enough .
> > The boss cleaned up a roo in His Holden Statesman at about 90KMPH
> > result $13000 damage ( no the airbags diid not deploy so the cost was
> > all panel & paint)
> >
> > I had a "coming together" with an Even Bigger male red roo on dirt
> > road at about 115 Kmph on a sweeper bend with ore truck coming other
> > way so was a bit of a white knuckle change the undies moment .
> > Awful loud bang and CRUNCH sound
> > though oh here we go another 10+K off the budget ---------
> >
> > Can send the pics of the Damage !!! $85.00 for crack repair to the
> > griill and under pan cracked so body repair just plastic welded it and
> > replaced reatining clips .
> >
> > Truly AMAZING Vehicle
> >
> > Only fault was on delivery day CD changer failed and they replaced at
> > first service and flew part to the bush ------- Hyundai Australia head
> > office followed up and even sent $ to replace chewed up disk !!!!
> > If you send mail to spamlister at gmail dot com happy to supply pics
> >
> > I have yet to receive such excellent service from any other
> > manufacture of anything ( Intel and HP take note )
> >
> > One complaint I do have is the fitment of OEM tyres to Australian
> > vehicles Dunlop SP 270 Series 225/50/17 European silica compound
> > They drive superb But wear like blazes front set chewed out at 18000
> > Kms (Australian dirt roads and tarmac temps of high 70 c ) test any
> > tyre
> > Replaced them with Kuhmos and Hankooks now no more Problems .
> >
> > This Korean gear is as we say here " is the ducks Guts " Means in
> > Aussie speak top of the line .
> > Mate if you are unhappy with a 07 Sonata reckon you are bloody hard
> > to please
> >
> > Strangely there are still those who knock Sonatas maybe bad
> > experiences or bias towards previous models (some of it deservedly so
> > _ )
> >
> > Our fleet consists of Big Holdens Hyundais Mistubishi (yuk) many
> > Toyotas a couple of Volvos and Fords (called falcons here) and the
> > Sonata's running costs are the cheapest in the fleet .
> > The drivers (who when heard they were being put into them including
> > myself said dont want any of that Korean Crap ) well now apologise to
> > the make as they are truly OUTSTANDING given what we do to them and
> > driving conditions .
> >
> > Common sense and company rules is that we check and blow out the dust
> > from the air filters end of each week is about the only non scheduled
> > service performed on the whole fleet ( red dust here is full of FE and
> > tests show 60.9 FE content of the dust) basicly powdered Iron and
> > more than one local has paid the price for being slack and ended up
> > dusting engines (stupid noddy some how put the air filter in **** up
> > and allowed unfiltered air straight into the engine = oops ! )
> >
> > IMO you should have trouble free and very comfortable and safe
> > driving experience . The vehicles on these dirt roads get driven hard
> > and quick and are as sure footed as one could wish for (apart from
> > constant 4wd subi's)
> >
> > Polen filters in air conditioning DO WORK and the seals etc keep all
> > the hot air and dust and other nasties out .
> >
> > Windscreens here get broken regularly due to opposing traffic
> > throwing up rocks etc ----- either by luck or strength having copped
> > more than my fair share of rocks have not done one it yet only cars
> > witjout a history of screens are the 3 Hyundais ---we are still trying
> > to work out why this blip in the stats but not complaining
> >
> > At night (here looking to find fault) the lights run out of road
> > so we slow down to 100 Ks ( wild life considerations) .
> > The ABS and dynamics of the suspension and handling mean that if you
> > prang one you have been driving like a clot . They handle far better
> > than they should for the price even in the rare instance of rain on
> > greasy muddy roads chewed up by road trains (see -
> >
http://www.kimberleyaustralia.com/im...ictures-11.jpg
> > & http://www.framecraft.com.au/images/october/9b.jpg
> > & http://www.framecraft.com.au/images/october/31b.jpg) for what a
> > Aussie road train is you may begin to appreciate just how we punish
> > our vehicles here.
> >
> > The cars are so good for the first time when we turn these over (at
> > 75000) I shall buy the one I am currently in for the wife ---------
> > they ARE THAT GOOD .
> >
> > And I have noting to do with Hyundai I just drive the buggers into the
> > ground but heck they are hard to kill these things
> > Enjoy happy and above all safe motoring with one if you eventually
> > choose one
> >
> > Cheers From Australia
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
nothing but problems, albeit none with the power train, yet. Have replaced
three window regulators, an alternator, water pump, paint peeling off the
door handles, replaced engine mounts twice. I could go on with quit a bit
more. But no engine failure yet, thank god.
"Gomez Adams" <rodzina_adamsow@noshit.poczta.gazeta.pl> wrote in message
news:474AE0A3.9030205@noshit.poczta.gazeta.pl...
> Hi,
> I like your description.
> I can join the common opinion about Hyundai.
> It is a solid car maker now.
>
> In Canada -42C in a winter is nothing unusual and
> Hyundais are driven with no major problems here.
>
> My friend drives '07 Sonata V6 and his car is ready
> to ride as soon as engine powers up while Toyota and
> Honda need to be warmed up in a winter before drive.
> (in Ontario with -40C even Mercedes and BMW fail).
>
> GA
> Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
> > We have two 2007 NF Elites in our fleet
> > I prefer the 4 as it is averaging 7.7 litres per 100 kM now is
> > coming into our hot weather here in AU
> > and consumtion up to about 8.9 per 100 KM
> >
> > 80% of driving on dirt roads
> >
> > The car is the most dust proof vehicle I have ever driven Much better
> > than BMW & Honda
> > Given that it "flies" over heavily rutted roads at average of 100 KMPH
> > last month has 41000 KM on it since March 23 2007
> >
> > Have tried hard but can not fault this vehicle the NF is a far nicer
> > car than any previous Hyundai all round.
> > Can not reccomend this vehicle highly enough .
> > The boss cleaned up a roo in His Holden Statesman at about 90KMPH
> > result $13000 damage ( no the airbags diid not deploy so the cost was
> > all panel & paint)
> >
> > I had a "coming together" with an Even Bigger male red roo on dirt
> > road at about 115 Kmph on a sweeper bend with ore truck coming other
> > way so was a bit of a white knuckle change the undies moment .
> > Awful loud bang and CRUNCH sound
> > though oh here we go another 10+K off the budget ---------
> >
> > Can send the pics of the Damage !!! $85.00 for crack repair to the
> > griill and under pan cracked so body repair just plastic welded it and
> > replaced reatining clips .
> >
> > Truly AMAZING Vehicle
> >
> > Only fault was on delivery day CD changer failed and they replaced at
> > first service and flew part to the bush ------- Hyundai Australia head
> > office followed up and even sent $ to replace chewed up disk !!!!
> > If you send mail to spamlister at gmail dot com happy to supply pics
> >
> > I have yet to receive such excellent service from any other
> > manufacture of anything ( Intel and HP take note )
> >
> > One complaint I do have is the fitment of OEM tyres to Australian
> > vehicles Dunlop SP 270 Series 225/50/17 European silica compound
> > They drive superb But wear like blazes front set chewed out at 18000
> > Kms (Australian dirt roads and tarmac temps of high 70 c ) test any
> > tyre
> > Replaced them with Kuhmos and Hankooks now no more Problems .
> >
> > This Korean gear is as we say here " is the ducks Guts " Means in
> > Aussie speak top of the line .
> > Mate if you are unhappy with a 07 Sonata reckon you are bloody hard
> > to please
> >
> > Strangely there are still those who knock Sonatas maybe bad
> > experiences or bias towards previous models (some of it deservedly so
> > _ )
> >
> > Our fleet consists of Big Holdens Hyundais Mistubishi (yuk) many
> > Toyotas a couple of Volvos and Fords (called falcons here) and the
> > Sonata's running costs are the cheapest in the fleet .
> > The drivers (who when heard they were being put into them including
> > myself said dont want any of that Korean Crap ) well now apologise to
> > the make as they are truly OUTSTANDING given what we do to them and
> > driving conditions .
> >
> > Common sense and company rules is that we check and blow out the dust
> > from the air filters end of each week is about the only non scheduled
> > service performed on the whole fleet ( red dust here is full of FE and
> > tests show 60.9 FE content of the dust) basicly powdered Iron and
> > more than one local has paid the price for being slack and ended up
> > dusting engines (stupid noddy some how put the air filter in **** up
> > and allowed unfiltered air straight into the engine = oops ! )
> >
> > IMO you should have trouble free and very comfortable and safe
> > driving experience . The vehicles on these dirt roads get driven hard
> > and quick and are as sure footed as one could wish for (apart from
> > constant 4wd subi's)
> >
> > Polen filters in air conditioning DO WORK and the seals etc keep all
> > the hot air and dust and other nasties out .
> >
> > Windscreens here get broken regularly due to opposing traffic
> > throwing up rocks etc ----- either by luck or strength having copped
> > more than my fair share of rocks have not done one it yet only cars
> > witjout a history of screens are the 3 Hyundais ---we are still trying
> > to work out why this blip in the stats but not complaining
> >
> > At night (here looking to find fault) the lights run out of road
> > so we slow down to 100 Ks ( wild life considerations) .
> > The ABS and dynamics of the suspension and handling mean that if you
> > prang one you have been driving like a clot . They handle far better
> > than they should for the price even in the rare instance of rain on
> > greasy muddy roads chewed up by road trains (see -
> >
http://www.kimberleyaustralia.com/im...ictures-11.jpg
> > & http://www.framecraft.com.au/images/october/9b.jpg
> > & http://www.framecraft.com.au/images/october/31b.jpg) for what a
> > Aussie road train is you may begin to appreciate just how we punish
> > our vehicles here.
> >
> > The cars are so good for the first time when we turn these over (at
> > 75000) I shall buy the one I am currently in for the wife ---------
> > they ARE THAT GOOD .
> >
> > And I have noting to do with Hyundai I just drive the buggers into the
> > ground but heck they are hard to kill these things
> > Enjoy happy and above all safe motoring with one if you eventually
> > choose one
> >
> > Cheers From Australia
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Reliability of Hyndai Sonata
"razz" <razz@mts.net> wrote in message
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> You're basing an opinion on a 1 year old vehicle! My 01 Sonata has had
> nothing but problems, albeit none with the power train, yet. Have replaced
> three window regulators, an alternator, water pump, paint peeling off the
> door handles, replaced engine mounts twice. I could go on with quit a bit
> more. But no engine failure yet, thank god.
Still apples and oranges. The 01 has nothing in common with the 06-07-08
models. Different engine, transmission, body, assembly plant. Sorry to
hear of your problems, but they don't extrapolate anything to the new
models.
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Re: Reliability of Hyndai Sonata
Watching this thread, I have to say my 02 Sonata was a creampuff! Only had 3
issues, one of which I created;
1. Rear speakers blown, yeah I know, too much bass!
2. MAF sensor died on a HOT 124 degree Laughlin, NV day.
3. Clutch- once in a blue moon it wouldn't disengage which I traced back to
a bad slave cylinder. The SM and I went round and round over that one.
All in all, I have had three Sonatas now and I think they are fast becoming
the Toyota and Hondas of the 21st century. They've already edged out Nissan
amongst several "authoritative" publications.
Now, when they get big, famous and expensive, what other choice will us poor
working stiffs have? Maybe Yugo will make a comeback!
Steve
"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
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>
> "razz" <razz@mts.net> wrote in message
> news:YfL2j.2154$so3.1362@newsfe18.lga...
>> You're basing an opinion on a 1 year old vehicle! My 01 Sonata has had
>> nothing but problems, albeit none with the power train, yet. Have
>> replaced
>> three window regulators, an alternator, water pump, paint peeling off the
>> door handles, replaced engine mounts twice. I could go on with quit a bit
>> more. But no engine failure yet, thank god.
>
> Still apples and oranges. The 01 has nothing in common with the 06-07-08
> models. Different engine, transmission, body, assembly plant. Sorry to
> hear of your problems, but they don't extrapolate anything to the new
> models.
>
issues, one of which I created;
1. Rear speakers blown, yeah I know, too much bass!
2. MAF sensor died on a HOT 124 degree Laughlin, NV day.
3. Clutch- once in a blue moon it wouldn't disengage which I traced back to
a bad slave cylinder. The SM and I went round and round over that one.
All in all, I have had three Sonatas now and I think they are fast becoming
the Toyota and Hondas of the 21st century. They've already edged out Nissan
amongst several "authoritative" publications.
Now, when they get big, famous and expensive, what other choice will us poor
working stiffs have? Maybe Yugo will make a comeback!
Steve
"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
news:FnL2j.27574$Pv2.9973@newssvr23.news.prodigy.n et...
>
> "razz" <razz@mts.net> wrote in message
> news:YfL2j.2154$so3.1362@newsfe18.lga...
>> You're basing an opinion on a 1 year old vehicle! My 01 Sonata has had
>> nothing but problems, albeit none with the power train, yet. Have
>> replaced
>> three window regulators, an alternator, water pump, paint peeling off the
>> door handles, replaced engine mounts twice. I could go on with quit a bit
>> more. But no engine failure yet, thank god.
>
> Still apples and oranges. The 01 has nothing in common with the 06-07-08
> models. Different engine, transmission, body, assembly plant. Sorry to
> hear of your problems, but they don't extrapolate anything to the new
> models.
>
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Re: Reliability of Hyndai Sonata
"razz" <razz@mts.net> wrote in message
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> You're basing an opinion on a 1 year old vehicle! My 01 Sonata has had
> nothing but problems, albeit none with the power train, yet. Have replaced
> three window regulators, an alternator, water pump, paint peeling off the
> door handles, replaced engine mounts twice. I could go on with quit a bit
> more. But no engine failure yet, thank god.
pardon me for snipping the previous 3000 lines of the thread......My 2006 lx
has been most reliable. I did have a bad passenger seat adjuster which I
think my kids managed to bugger up replaced by dealer on warrranty. Oh, and
a ambient air temp sender fritz out in the first coupla' months...fixed on
warranty. Mechanically, and fit and finish it has been a dream....57000
miles now. Thankfully none of the dreaded door handle paint peeling debacle.
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Re: Reliability of Hyndai Sonata
Reply to message from "Steve R" <fixmypc01@gmail.com> (Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:
45:16) about "Re: Reliability of Hyndai Sonata":
SR> Now, when they get big, famous and expensive, what other choice will
SR> us poor working stiffs have? Maybe Yugo will make a comeback!
Chinese cars will appear in our not-too-distant future. There are presently
5 carmakers in China.
Bye
Wayne Moses <wayne.moses@comcast.net> Sun, 09 Dec 2007 00:11:36 -0600
=== Posted with Qusnetsoft NewsReader 3.3
45:16) about "Re: Reliability of Hyndai Sonata":
SR> Now, when they get big, famous and expensive, what other choice will
SR> us poor working stiffs have? Maybe Yugo will make a comeback!
Chinese cars will appear in our not-too-distant future. There are presently
5 carmakers in China.
Bye
Wayne Moses <wayne.moses@comcast.net> Sun, 09 Dec 2007 00:11:36 -0600
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Re: Reliability of Hyndai Sonata
Too bloody Right I am mate!
One year out here on any vehicle is worth about ten in other places
Oh and not yet a squeak or rattle or problem of any sort
and since original post another 18000 on the clock
On Nov 27, 11:16 am, "razz" <r...@mts.net> wrote:
> You're basing an opinion on a 1 year old vehicle! My 01 Sonata has had
> nothing but problems, albeit none with the power train, yet. Have replaced
> three window regulators, an alternator, water pump, paint peeling off the
> door handles, replaced engine mounts twice. I could go on with quit a bit
> more. But no engine failure yet, thank god."Gomez Adams" <rodzina_adam...@noshit.poczta.gazeta.pl> wrote in message
>
> news:474AE0A3.9030205@noshit.poczta.gazeta.pl...
>
> > Hi,
> > I like your description.
> > I can join the common opinion about Hyundai.
> > It is a solid car maker now.
>
> > In Canada -42C in a winter is nothing unusual and
> > Hyundais are driven with no major problems here.
>
> > My friend drives '07 Sonata V6 and his car is ready
> > to ride as soon as engine powers up while Toyota and
> > Honda need to be warmed up in a winter before drive.
> > (in Ontario with -40C even Mercedes and BMW fail).
>
> > GA
> > Ontario
>
> > > We have two 2007 NF Elites in our fleet
> > > I p
One year out here on any vehicle is worth about ten in other places
Oh and not yet a squeak or rattle or problem of any sort
and since original post another 18000 on the clock
On Nov 27, 11:16 am, "razz" <r...@mts.net> wrote:
> You're basing an opinion on a 1 year old vehicle! My 01 Sonata has had
> nothing but problems, albeit none with the power train, yet. Have replaced
> three window regulators, an alternator, water pump, paint peeling off the
> door handles, replaced engine mounts twice. I could go on with quit a bit
> more. But no engine failure yet, thank god."Gomez Adams" <rodzina_adam...@noshit.poczta.gazeta.pl> wrote in message
>
> news:474AE0A3.9030205@noshit.poczta.gazeta.pl...
>
> > Hi,
> > I like your description.
> > I can join the common opinion about Hyundai.
> > It is a solid car maker now.
>
> > In Canada -42C in a winter is nothing unusual and
> > Hyundais are driven with no major problems here.
>
> > My friend drives '07 Sonata V6 and his car is ready
> > to ride as soon as engine powers up while Toyota and
> > Honda need to be warmed up in a winter before drive.
> > (in Ontario with -40C even Mercedes and BMW fail).
>
> > GA
> > Ontario
>
> > > We have two 2007 NF Elites in our fleet
> > > I p