jack

Hi there,

I have a 2003 Sonata under lease (less than 20,000 km)
but didn't like going to my dealer, so I had an oil change done
at a mechanic, providing an oil filter which I bought from the
dealer.

I've noticed the following: if I drive more than a certain distance,
about half-way across town, my car starts to make a ringing
noise while driving, which stops when I apply the breaks. If
I stop the car for a while, it goes away, but comes back after I
drive it a certain amount again. At the same time as the ringing
noise happens, I notice that the steering wheel makes a kind
of creaking noise when I turn it. These two things happen at
the same time.

In general, for the short day to day trips I use my car for,
I don't have any problems, but if I drive over a certain amount,
I get these problems, first at higher speeds, then at lower
speeds.

Would this be caused by the mechanic not installing the oil
filter properly or not using the right oil. The oil light is not
coming on. I could not buy "authentic hyundai oil" at the
dealer, so he used his own. Does the car actually lubricate
the axels and steering wheel while running?

I intend to take it back to the mechanic but would like to know
if anyone knows off hand what could be causing this.

Thanks,

Jack

Brian Nystrom

jack wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I have a 2003 Sonata under lease (less than 20,000 km)
> but didn't like going to my dealer, so I had an oil change done
> at a mechanic, providing an oil filter which I bought from the
> dealer.
>
> I've noticed the following: if I drive more than a certain distance,
> about half-way across town, my car starts to make a ringing
> noise while driving, which stops when I apply the breaks. If
> I stop the car for a while, it goes away, but comes back after I
> drive it a certain amount again. At the same time as the ringing
> noise happens, I notice that the steering wheel makes a kind
> of creaking noise when I turn it. These two things happen at
> the same time.

This sounds like a possible power steering problem or CV joint problem.
Can you be more specific about what this "ringing" sound is like? Is
"ringing" - as in like a bell - an accurate description?

> In general, for the short day to day trips I use my car for,
> I don't have any problems, but if I drive over a certain amount,
> I get these problems, first at higher speeds, then at lower
> speeds.

That could indicate that the problem is sensitive to the temperature of
the affected parts.

> Would this be caused by the mechanic not installing the oil
> filter properly or not using the right oil.

Not likely. There's only one way to install a filter and if he had cross
threaded it, it would leak badly.

> The oil light is not
> coming on. I could not buy "authentic hyundai oil" at the
> dealer, so he used his own.

For the most part, oil is oil. Hyundai does not use anything special and
it's sourced locally. For that matter, your Hyundai dealer could be
using the exact same oil your oil changer used.

> Does the car actually lubricate the axels and steering wheel while running?

If you're asking if the engine oil lubricates these parts, the answer is
no. The axels have sealed CV joints that are lubricated with a special
grease. If their rubber boots get damaged and the grease leaks out (and
dirt/water gets in), the joint will be ruined. Since CV joints can make
a whining or grinding noise when they fail and it will affect the
steering, it's possible that's the problem. On the other hand, a loose
power steering belt will squeal loudly under load and affect the
steering, too.

jack

Brian Nystrom wrote:
> jack wrote:
> > Hi there,
> >
> > I have a 2003 Sonata under lease (less than 20,000 km)
> > but didn't like going to my dealer, so I had an oil change done
> > at a mechanic, providing an oil filter which I bought from the
> > dealer.
> >
> > I've noticed the following: if I drive more than a certain distance,
> > about half-way across town, my car starts to make a ringing
> > noise while driving, which stops when I apply the breaks. If
> > I stop the car for a while, it goes away, but comes back after I
> > drive it a certain amount again. At the same time as the ringing
> > noise happens, I notice that the steering wheel makes a kind
> > of creaking noise when I turn it. These two things happen at
> > the same time.
>
> This sounds like a possible power steering problem or CV joint problem.
> Can you be more specific about what this "ringing" sound is like? Is
> "ringing" - as in like a bell - an accurate description?

It sounds like brake squeal, but if I apply the brake it temporarily
gets quiet. It sort of phases in and out around 60-80 km/hr. It is
very loud; people on the street turn to see what the noise is.

> > Does the car actually lubricate the axels and steering wheel while running?
>
> If you're asking if the engine oil lubricates these parts, the answer is
> no. The axels have sealed CV joints that are lubricated with a special
> grease. If their rubber boots get damaged and the grease leaks out (and
> dirt/water gets in), the joint will be ruined. Since CV joints can make
> a whining or grinding noise when they fail and it will affect the
> steering, it's possible that's the problem. On the other hand, a loose
> power steering belt will squeal loudly under load and affect the
> steering, too.

When I start the car, the belt slips and makes a noise at first but
it's not like the other noise I am hearing. This sounds more like
brake squeal.

I once had a dealer tell me that there wasn't enough clearance between
the brake pads and rotors and that they might be sticking and he wanted
to turn the rotors. I can see how that would make a noise, but would
that affect the steering?

Thanks for all your help,

Jack

hyundaitech

I've got an imaginary $5 that says your front brakes are worn out and
you're hearing the wear sensors just barely touching the rotors. When you
apply the brakes, it takes up a little looseness in the pads and the sensor
stops touching. As time goes on, the sound will occur anytime the vehicle
is moving, if I'm correct, that is.

jack

I'll let you know what the outcome it,

Jack

jack

I'll let you know what the outcome it,

Jack

Brian Nystrom

jack wrote:
> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>
>>jack wrote:
>>
>>>Hi there,
>>>
>>> I have a 2003 Sonata under lease (less than 20,000 km)
>>>but didn't like going to my dealer, so I had an oil change done
>>>at a mechanic, providing an oil filter which I bought from the
>>>dealer.
>>>
>>>I've noticed the following: if I drive more than a certain distance,
>>>about half-way across town, my car starts to make a ringing
>>>noise while driving, which stops when I apply the breaks. If
>>>I stop the car for a while, it goes away, but comes back after I
>>>drive it a certain amount again. At the same time as the ringing
>>>noise happens, I notice that the steering wheel makes a kind
>>>of creaking noise when I turn it. These two things happen at
>>>the same time.
>>
>>This sounds like a possible power steering problem or CV joint problem.
>>Can you be more specific about what this "ringing" sound is like? Is
>>"ringing" - as in like a bell - an accurate description?
>
>
> It sounds like brake squeal, but if I apply the brake it temporarily
> gets quiet. It sort of phases in and out around 60-80 km/hr. It is
> very loud; people on the street turn to see what the noise is.
>
>
>>>Does the car actually lubricate the axels and steering wheel while running?
>>
>>If you're asking if the engine oil lubricates these parts, the answer is
>>no. The axels have sealed CV joints that are lubricated with a special
>>grease. If their rubber boots get damaged and the grease leaks out (and
>>dirt/water gets in), the joint will be ruined. Since CV joints can make
>>a whining or grinding noise when they fail and it will affect the
>>steering, it's possible that's the problem. On the other hand, a loose
>>power steering belt will squeal loudly under load and affect the
>>steering, too.
>
>
> When I start the car, the belt slips and makes a noise at first but
> it's not like the other noise I am hearing. This sounds more like
> brake squeal.

To start with, fix the slipping belt so that it can be eliminated as the
source of the problem.

> I once had a dealer tell me that there wasn't enough clearance between
> the brake pads and rotors and that they might be sticking and he wanted
> to turn the rotors. I can see how that would make a noise, but would
> that affect the steering?

Turning the rotors won't help sticky calipers. They need to be lubed. I
guess if a caliper was really hung, it could affect the steering
somewhat, but if it was that bad, you'd probably smell the brake pad
burning. Since you didn't mention any smell, it doesnt' seem like the
brakes are likely to be causing the steering problem.

CV joints can make noise, but it's typically a rumble or low-pitched
whine. It may be the problem. If your car has a manual transmission, if
you depress the clutch when the car is making the noise, it should
either stop or at least dramatically reduce in volume. If the car is an
automatic, try shifting it into neutral to see how it affects the noise.

Brian Nystrom

hyundaitech wrote:
> I've got an imaginary $5 that says your front brakes are worn out and
> you're hearing the wear sensors just barely touching the rotors. When you
> apply the brakes, it takes up a little looseness in the pads and the sensor
> stops touching. As time goes on, the sound will occur anytime the vehicle
> is moving, if I'm correct, that is.

Good call. It doesn't explain the steering issue, but perhaps it's
unrelated to the noise.

jack

I took the car back to the mechanic and he said the calipers were
binding. He took them apart and did a lube job on them and now the
noise doesn't happen any more.
I still notice the steering making a noise. This usually happens at
night, or after I've been using the car a while, and when I'm doing
parking type maneovers. And the steering feels like it requires more
effort. My guess is it's a slipping belt and was unrelated to the
brake noise.

Thanks for all the help on this thread,

Jack

hyundaitech

Definitely missed the steering creaking on the original read. Could be
anything. I just fixed one yesterday which had a fuel/brake line clamp
wedged between the subframe and body making such a noise. It's more
common to be a suspension, rack, or column issue, though.