Old_Timer

I live in Southern Calf and never have occasion to drive in the snow.
In other words I don't drive up into the mountains in the winter time.

I did not have occasion to take particular notice of an entry in the
owners manual until a long time after I purchased the car new.

My Sonata is a 2000 year model and has R205/60/r15 tires.
The owners manual states that -
"tire chains should not be used on the R205/60/R15 tires" It goes on
to say that there is not enough clearance to use chains on them.

I wonder how many people have found this out the hard way?

Old_Timer

Edwin Pawlowski

<Old_Timer> wrote in message
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>I live in Southern Calf and never have occasion to drive in the snow.
> In other words I don't drive up into the mountains in the winter time.
>
> I did not have occasion to take particular notice of an entry in the
> owners manual until a long time after I purchased the car new.
>
> My Sonata is a 2000 year model and has R205/60/r15 tires.
> The owners manual states that -
> "tire chains should not be used on the R205/60/R15 tires" It goes on
> to say that there is not enough clearance to use chains on them.
>
> I wonder how many people have found this out the hard way?
>
> Old_Timer

I've lived in the northeast and New England all my life and the last time I
saw a set of chains on a car was about 1963 or so. I guess they still exist
in some areas, but not too many places. I've hear you can rent a set
crossing the Rockies and they take them off on the other side on the way
down.

Raoul

On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 01:48:00 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net>
wrote:

>
><Old_Timer> wrote in message
>news:lsbtv3pd3skuq66voc57q6c2m0c97d6adj@4ax.com.. .
>>I live in Southern Calf and never have occasion to drive in the snow.
>> In other words I don't drive up into the mountains in the winter time.
>>
>> I did not have occasion to take particular notice of an entry in the
>> owners manual until a long time after I purchased the car new.
>>
>> My Sonata is a 2000 year model and has R205/60/r15 tires.
>> The owners manual states that -
>> "tire chains should not be used on the R205/60/R15 tires" It goes on
>> to say that there is not enough clearance to use chains on them.
>>
>> I wonder how many people have found this out the hard way?
>>
>> Old_Timer
>
>I've lived in the northeast and New England all my life and the last time I
>saw a set of chains on a car was about 1963 or so. I guess they still exist
>in some areas, but not too many places. I've hear you can rent a set
>crossing the Rockies and they take them off on the other side on the way
>down.
>

I live in MA and can't think of anyone that owns studded tires, let
alone chains.

Old_Timer

On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 01:48:00 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net>
wrote:

>
><Old_Timer> wrote in message
>news:lsbtv3pd3skuq66voc57q6c2m0c97d6adj@4ax.com.. .
>>I live in Southern Calf and never have occasion to drive in the snow.
>> In other words I don't drive up into the mountains in the winter time.
>>
>> I did not have occasion to take particular notice of an entry in the
>> owners manual until a long time after I purchased the car new.
>>
>> My Sonata is a 2000 year model and has R205/60/r15 tires.
>> The owners manual states that -
>> "tire chains should not be used on the R205/60/R15 tires" It goes on
>> to say that there is not enough clearance to use chains on them.
>>
>> I wonder how many people have found this out the hard way?
>>
>> Old_Timer
>
>I've lived in the northeast and New England all my life and the last time I
>saw a set of chains on a car was about 1963 or so. I guess they still exist
>in some areas, but not too many places. I've hear you can rent a set
>crossing the Rockies and they take them off on the other side on the way
>down.
>

In the mountains of California so-called chain controls are put into
effect by the Highway Patrol on the mountain roads when they are snow
covered. There are varying levels of controls being enforced
depending on the depth and coverage of the snow. Under some
conditions having snow tires and a set of chains in the trunk will get
your through the check-point. other times having four-wheel drive
will get you through the check-point and then other times nothing but
installed chains will get you though.

Still remembering that night over thirty years ago when I came through
the Donner Pass on one of the worst nights of the year. When I came
down the other side and was ready to remove the chains they were worn
beyond ever being used second time.

When the most stringent chain controls are in effect there will be a
group of independent chain installers known as chain monkeys waiting
to mount and de mount your chains. It has been years since I
actually was in the mountains in the winter time but I tend to believe
that the prices today are around $45-$50 to put them on and around
half that to take them off.

Old_Timer

Eric G.

Old_Timer wrote in newsbktv3tms666odse67h6546dupvmb6vpqp@4ax.com:

> When the most stringent chain controls are in effect there will be a
> group of independent chain installers known as chain monkeys waiting
> to mount and de mount your chains. It has been years since I
> actually was in the mountains in the winter time but I tend to believe
> that the prices today are around $45-$50 to put them on and around
> half that to take them off.
>
> Old_Timer
>

I bought a set of chains back in 1987 for a Honda Civic I owned then. I
used them in the Cascades on several occasions. I made it through some of
the worst weather I have seen or will ever see in my lifetime. I still
have those chains in my garage. I brought them with me during the blizzard
of 1996 here in NJ, but I never even thought about needing them. After the
storm, when I was taking them out of my trunk, I realized that they were
for a 13" tire anyway. I had 15" tires on my vehicle at the time, so it
was a good thing I didn't need them!!

Eric

Hammbone

"Eric G." <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet> wrote in message
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> Old_Timer wrote in newsbktv3tms666odse67h6546dupvmb6vpqp@4ax.com:
>
>> When the most stringent chain controls are in effect there will be a
>> group of independent chain installers known as chain monkeys waiting
>> to mount and de mount your chains. It has been years since I
>> actually was in the mountains in the winter time but I tend to believe
>> that the prices today are around $45-$50 to put them on and around
>> half that to take them off.
>>
>> Old_Timer
>>
>
> I bought a set of chains back in 1987 for a Honda Civic I owned then. I
> used them in the Cascades on several occasions. I made it through some of
> the worst weather I have seen or will ever see in my lifetime. I still
> have those chains in my garage. I brought them with me during the
> blizzard
> of 1996 here in NJ, but I never even thought about needing them. After
> the
> storm, when I was taking them out of my trunk, I realized that they were
> for a 13" tire anyway. I had 15" tires on my vehicle at the time, so it
> was a good thing I didn't need them!!
>
> Eric
I used to be a Fire Fighter in the 80's. We would have to put chains on when
we would get a nor'easter.

It would take a few hrs to chain everything up. By then the snow would be
stopped.

It would help on the back roads. But it was funning riding on the back going
down the interstate on wet pavement doing 25 mph with chains on!Then once in
a while we would loose a er and have to stop (with light still going)
to fix it.

We would drop a spanner wrenches between our legs (Made for uncoupling
hoses)if people would not back off from following to close.

Raoul

On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:08:25 -0400, "Hammbone"
<emthammond@comcast.net> wrote:

>I used to be a Fire Fighter in the 80's. We would have to put chains on when
>we would get a nor'easter.
>
>It would take a few hrs to chain everything up. By then the snow would be
>stopped.
>
>It would help on the back roads. But it was funning riding on the back going
>down the interstate on wet pavement doing 25 mph with chains on!Then once in
>a while we would loose a er and have to stop (with light still going)
>to fix it.
>
>We would drop a spanner wrenches between our legs (Made for uncoupling
>hoses)if people would not back off from following to close.
>
I was a volunteer FF back then myself. Riding on the back step was
fun, but amazingly dangerous. Every pothole launched you in the air.
When you're <30 you're immortal though.

Dropping spanners was something I had heard about, but always third
hand.

I still have my "New Yorker" around here somewhere. Gave away the
"Phoenix".