Re: The so called 'bumper to bumper' Hyundai warranty
 

rayindesmoines@yahoo.com wrote:
> Putting a component in a vehicle that has the potential to ruin the
> engine if it fails is poor engineering.

Gee, I guess they shouldn't use bearings, connecting rods, pistons,
valves or any of those other potentially ruinous internal parts. I
wouldn't want to have one of them fail...

> The Hyundais use an
> interference engine and the belt failure will ruin it. It's a built-in
> time bomb and had I known about it, I would not have purchased the car.

Gee, do you think you can exaggerate the issue a bit more??? "Time
bomb", what a joke!

> For 2006, they have come to their senses by putting timing chains in
> the vehicles.

Then maybe you should buy one so you can sleep at night.

Re: The so called 'bumper to bumper' Hyundai warranty
 

Bearings, connecting rods, pistons and valves are covered under the
warranty.

Re: The so called 'bumper to bumper' Hyundai warranty
 

Bearings, connecting rods, pistons and valves are covered under the
warranty.

Re: The so called 'bumper to bumper' Hyundai warranty
 

"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Mike Marlow wrote:
> > "Jody" <jaar72ibear@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:N1pff.4084$w84.770919@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> >
> >>i dont know what the big deal is about replacing a belt, yeah its a
> >>inconvienience and costs about 400.00 but its only every 100,000 kms..
> >>my friend has a honda accord 1995 with 450,000 kms and shes changed 4 so
> >>far..
> >
> >
> > Big deal? Never said it was.
>
> Then why bother to whine about it?

Reading comprehension is your friend Brian - I never whined. Or do you just
like to throw little tid bits like that out there at anyone who happens to
hold a little different opinion than yours?

>
> > My - this is a sensative little group isn't
> > it? If you don't mind changing a timing belt every 60K then fine.
But -
> > that is an extreme warranty requirement.
>
> In your opinion. Obviously, that's not the general consensus here.

So - I'm not entitled to an opinion?

>
> > Will I do it? Sure, I bought the
> > car and I like the car. Hyundai requires it to maintain the warranty,
so
> > I'll do it. But a car with a 100,000 mile warranty should not require
what
> > is a fairly major repair in order to maintain the warranty.
>
> Again, that's your opinion, not a fact.

Again - that seems to bother you.

>
> > You are
> > investing in the design problem to save the manufacturer from having to
> > honor their warranty.
> >
> Who says there's a design problem? It's not as if timing belts are
> popping on Hyundais left and right. Hyundai feels that changing the
> timing belt at 60K miles is prudent maintenance. Other car manufacturers
> do too. This isn't as unusual as you think it is.

Perhaps it's not. This is my first Hyundai and I've been a long time GM
guy. I do all of my own work - both body and repair and I have no blind
spots for the problems with GM's, but I've never heard of having to replace
a timing belt at 60,000 before buying this car. Like I said - it's not a
big deal. I'll replace the belt when the time comes. Just seems a bit odd.
From what I see people posting about the price of this job (if you go to the
dealer), this is a bit more pricey than "prudent maintenance".

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Re: The so called 'bumper to bumper' Hyundai warranty
 

"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:_RBff.928$BU2.298@trndny01...
> Mike Marlow wrote:
> > "Jody" <jaar72ibear@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:N1pff.4084$w84.770919@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> >
> >>i dont know what the big deal is about replacing a belt, yeah its a
> >>inconvienience and costs about 400.00 but its only every 100,000 kms..
> >>my friend has a honda accord 1995 with 450,000 kms and shes changed 4 so
> >>far..
> >
> >
> > Big deal? Never said it was.
>
> Then why bother to whine about it?

Reading comprehension is your friend Brian - I never whined. Or do you just
like to throw little tid bits like that out there at anyone who happens to
hold a little different opinion than yours?

>
> > My - this is a sensative little group isn't
> > it? If you don't mind changing a timing belt every 60K then fine.
But -
> > that is an extreme warranty requirement.
>
> In your opinion. Obviously, that's not the general consensus here.

So - I'm not entitled to an opinion?

>
> > Will I do it? Sure, I bought the
> > car and I like the car. Hyundai requires it to maintain the warranty,
so
> > I'll do it. But a car with a 100,000 mile warranty should not require
what
> > is a fairly major repair in order to maintain the warranty.
>
> Again, that's your opinion, not a fact.

Again - that seems to bother you.

>
> > You are
> > investing in the design problem to save the manufacturer from having to
> > honor their warranty.
> >
> Who says there's a design problem? It's not as if timing belts are
> popping on Hyundais left and right. Hyundai feels that changing the
> timing belt at 60K miles is prudent maintenance. Other car manufacturers
> do too. This isn't as unusual as you think it is.

Perhaps it's not. This is my first Hyundai and I've been a long time GM
guy. I do all of my own work - both body and repair and I have no blind
spots for the problems with GM's, but I've never heard of having to replace
a timing belt at 60,000 before buying this car. Like I said - it's not a
big deal. I'll replace the belt when the time comes. Just seems a bit odd.
From what I see people posting about the price of this job (if you go to the
dealer), this is a bit more pricey than "prudent maintenance".

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Re: The so called 'bumper to bumper' Hyundai warranty
 

"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Mike Marlow wrote:
>
> > So- in all of my research prior to buying this Sonata I had not
discovered
> > that they require a timing belt every 60,000 miles. Does this apply to
all
> > Hyundai's or only to certain motors?
>
> All of them that I know of. FWIW, when I replaced the timing belt on my
> old Excel @64K miles, it was nearly indistiguishable from the new belt I
> installed. The replacement was still in the car when I sold it, 112K
> miles later. I'm not suggesting that anyone take the risk of not
> changing a timing belt, but they can last a long time.

This does not surprise me. Unless there is a real design problem with an
engine that causes it to eat belts, today's belts really should go well over
100,000 miles. I'm guessing the belts in the Hyundai will as well, but I'm
not going to be the guy that tests that theory. A timing belt is easy
enough to change and though I don't necessarily believe it should be a
requirement to keep a warranty in place, it's not the kind of thing I'm
going to use as my hill to die on.

>
> The only timing belt failure I've experienced was in a car with a
> leaking main seal that coated the timing belt with oil for ~20K+ miles
> until it finally shed a couple of teeth. However, it was not a Hyundai
> and I have no idea how durable the timing belts in the current Hyundai
> models typically are. When my Elantra hits 60K miles, I'll change the
> timing belt myself to keep Hyundai happy, as I did with the Excel.

The only failure of this type that I've experienced was on a chain equipped
engine. It was a 1976 Mercury Capri with a 6 cyl. The teeth were fiber,
bonded to steel hubs and, though I didn't know it at the time, were a known
wear point. Fortunately, the Capri's 6 cyl was not an interference motor so
when the teeth departed this life, no real damage was done. It was a pretty
straight forward remove and replace thing, with the obvious timing
considerations.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Re: The so called 'bumper to bumper' Hyundai warranty
 

"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:3jnff.28$r96.26@trndny05...
> Mike Marlow wrote:
>
> > So- in all of my research prior to buying this Sonata I had not
discovered
> > that they require a timing belt every 60,000 miles. Does this apply to
all
> > Hyundai's or only to certain motors?
>
> All of them that I know of. FWIW, when I replaced the timing belt on my
> old Excel @64K miles, it was nearly indistiguishable from the new belt I
> installed. The replacement was still in the car when I sold it, 112K
> miles later. I'm not suggesting that anyone take the risk of not
> changing a timing belt, but they can last a long time.

This does not surprise me. Unless there is a real design problem with an
engine that causes it to eat belts, today's belts really should go well over
100,000 miles. I'm guessing the belts in the Hyundai will as well, but I'm
not going to be the guy that tests that theory. A timing belt is easy
enough to change and though I don't necessarily believe it should be a
requirement to keep a warranty in place, it's not the kind of thing I'm
going to use as my hill to die on.

>
> The only timing belt failure I've experienced was in a car with a
> leaking main seal that coated the timing belt with oil for ~20K+ miles
> until it finally shed a couple of teeth. However, it was not a Hyundai
> and I have no idea how durable the timing belts in the current Hyundai
> models typically are. When my Elantra hits 60K miles, I'll change the
> timing belt myself to keep Hyundai happy, as I did with the Excel.

The only failure of this type that I've experienced was on a chain equipped
engine. It was a 1976 Mercury Capri with a 6 cyl. The teeth were fiber,
bonded to steel hubs and, though I didn't know it at the time, were a known
wear point. Fortunately, the Capri's 6 cyl was not an interference motor so
when the teeth departed this life, no real damage was done. It was a pretty
straight forward remove and replace thing, with the obvious timing
considerations.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Re: The so called 'bumper to bumper' Hyundai warranty
 

The warranty you're keeping in place is the warranty on the timing belt.
If your timing belt fails and you didn't replace it with a factory belt
when it was due, then Hyundai will not cover the repairs. That doesn't
mean your entire warranty was void-- only repairs arising out of your
failure to replace the timing belt when due.

It would be no different than if your radiator were clogged or your engine
were sludged and you hadn't done your coolant or oil changes as required.

Re: The so called 'bumper to bumper' Hyundai warranty
 

The warranty you're keeping in place is the warranty on the timing belt.
If your timing belt fails and you didn't replace it with a factory belt
when it was due, then Hyundai will not cover the repairs. That doesn't
mean your entire warranty was void-- only repairs arising out of your
failure to replace the timing belt when due.

It would be no different than if your radiator were clogged or your engine
were sludged and you hadn't done your coolant or oil changes as required.

Re: The so called 'bumper to bumper' Hyundai warranty
 

In the geographic area where I'm employed, everything is marked up. Parts
are sold above list. Labor is very expensive. There are many service
facilities in my area with labor rates well above $100 an hour.

Re: The so called 'bumper to bumper' Hyundai warranty
 

In the geographic area where I'm employed, everything is marked up. Parts
are sold above list. Labor is very expensive. There are many service
facilities in my area with labor rates well above $100 an hour.

Re: The so called 'bumper to bumper' Hyundai warranty
 

<rayindesmoines@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Bearings, connecting rods, pistons and valves are covered under the
> warranty.
>

And there is no recommended replacement interval for them either.

I personally don't think Hyundai is asking too much by having a major
recommended service interval done at 60,000 miles, I think thats pretty much
when most car makers have one. And as for the 100,000 powertrain warranty,
well you can always get extended warranties with a chevy vehicle, you know
hyundai just buries the cost into the price of the car, they figure its
better for them to make the extra profit then some 3rd party "insurance
company" which is what most extended warranty companies are, they are
betting that your car isnt going to have a major failure for 100,000 miles.
say 100 people give them $1500 and only 5 of them have major issues that
cost $4000 apiece they still make off with $130,000 plus interest, plus the
bank makes money because that cost was probably financed as well.

So lets say covering the extra warranty period only costs hyundai $400 per
car on average, which gets passed onto the consumer, if you put in $800 to
do the 60K service, thats only $1200 for an extended warranty.

Probably the best thing to do when looking at a new car is to grab the
manual, take a look at what the recommended services are, and then go to the
service department and price it out, and see what the additional costs of
owning the vehicle will be, and figure out how long you will be owning it.

Best thing car makers/dealerships could do is figure out the long term
costs, and then sell service work contracts to people, that cover all the
recommended maintenance to certain milage intervals, including all oil
changes, coolant flushes, steering flushes, brake flushes, intervaled brake
pad changes, and maybe even tire changes based on wear, and then sell it to
the owner so they can just finance it along with the vehicle, and when they
hit a service interval, they just take it back to their dealer. Alot of
people would probably like the $4000 of service work just rolled into the
loan so they can take care of it over 72 months.

Re: The so called 'bumper to bumper' Hyundai warranty
 

<rayindesmoines@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1132426639.958980.31410@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> Bearings, connecting rods, pistons and valves are covered under the
> warranty.
>

And there is no recommended replacement interval for them either.

I personally don't think Hyundai is asking too much by having a major
recommended service interval done at 60,000 miles, I think thats pretty much
when most car makers have one. And as for the 100,000 powertrain warranty,
well you can always get extended warranties with a chevy vehicle, you know
hyundai just buries the cost into the price of the car, they figure its
better for them to make the extra profit then some 3rd party "insurance
company" which is what most extended warranty companies are, they are
betting that your car isnt going to have a major failure for 100,000 miles.
say 100 people give them $1500 and only 5 of them have major issues that
cost $4000 apiece they still make off with $130,000 plus interest, plus the
bank makes money because that cost was probably financed as well.

So lets say covering the extra warranty period only costs hyundai $400 per
car on average, which gets passed onto the consumer, if you put in $800 to
do the 60K service, thats only $1200 for an extended warranty.

Probably the best thing to do when looking at a new car is to grab the
manual, take a look at what the recommended services are, and then go to the
service department and price it out, and see what the additional costs of
owning the vehicle will be, and figure out how long you will be owning it.

Best thing car makers/dealerships could do is figure out the long term
costs, and then sell service work contracts to people, that cover all the
recommended maintenance to certain milage intervals, including all oil
changes, coolant flushes, steering flushes, brake flushes, intervaled brake
pad changes, and maybe even tire changes based on wear, and then sell it to
the owner so they can just finance it along with the vehicle, and when they
hit a service interval, they just take it back to their dealer. Alot of
people would probably like the $4000 of service work just rolled into the
loan so they can take care of it over 72 months.

Re: The so called 'bumper to bumper' Hyundai warranty
 

<<Hyundai requires it to maintain the warranty, so I'll do it.>>

According to http://www.theautoshop.com/timing.html Hyundai only
requires that replacement on pre-1996 models.

John Cowart

Re: The so called 'bumper to bumper' Hyundai warranty
 

<<Hyundai requires it to maintain the warranty, so I'll do it.>>

According to http://www.theautoshop.com/timing.html Hyundai only
requires that replacement on pre-1996 models.

John Cowart