Sonata Gas Mileage?
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Mike,
I only stated what I feel. What you feel is your business. I know that I
can pass safely on a two lane road, accelerate at a good rate when needed,
and move up and down hills without a struggle. I have 15,000 miles on my
car and see no reason for needing more power. Your opinion is respected
just as well as mine. Different strokes for different folks.
Tom
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> "Tom" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>> Another person opted for a V6 under the misconception that he needed more
>> 'power'. ) The 4 has more than enough power to move my '06 briskly in
>> passing mode. I have been consistently getting 24.6 +- around town with
> an
>> occasional 15 mile highway trip to the next town. People, you don't need
> a
>> V6!!!!! Stop wasting gas! Sure you can afford to buy it but why?????
>>
>
> Many of us test drove 4 cylinders with automatics and found the
> performance
> to be less than remarkable. Quite poor, in fact. Therefore, we own six
> cylinders. I'm glad you like your 4, but please don't suggest that
> because
> a 4 is brisk enough for you, that it should satisfy the needs of everyone.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
>
>
I only stated what I feel. What you feel is your business. I know that I
can pass safely on a two lane road, accelerate at a good rate when needed,
and move up and down hills without a struggle. I have 15,000 miles on my
car and see no reason for needing more power. Your opinion is respected
just as well as mine. Different strokes for different folks.
Tom
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> "Tom" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>> Another person opted for a V6 under the misconception that he needed more
>> 'power'. ) The 4 has more than enough power to move my '06 briskly in
>> passing mode. I have been consistently getting 24.6 +- around town with
> an
>> occasional 15 mile highway trip to the next town. People, you don't need
> a
>> V6!!!!! Stop wasting gas! Sure you can afford to buy it but why?????
>>
>
> Many of us test drove 4 cylinders with automatics and found the
> performance
> to be less than remarkable. Quite poor, in fact. Therefore, we own six
> cylinders. I'm glad you like your 4, but please don't suggest that
> because
> a 4 is brisk enough for you, that it should satisfy the needs of everyone.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
>
>
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"Tom" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in
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> There really is very
> little difference between the 4 and 6, like Matt said.
Without the benefit of anyone running a real scientific test between the
two configurations (really 3 if you count the MT), I respectfully disagree
with both of you. There is a medium to large difference between the 4 and
the 6. I be willing to bet that in the real world, we are talking about a
1.5-2 second difference in the 0-60 time, and significantly more as speeds
get higher.
I know that neither of you feel the need for that extra power, and that is
certainly your perrogative, but IMHO you are really talking apples and
oranges by comparing the 4 to the 6.
Eric
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> There really is very
> little difference between the 4 and 6, like Matt said.
Without the benefit of anyone running a real scientific test between the
two configurations (really 3 if you count the MT), I respectfully disagree
with both of you. There is a medium to large difference between the 4 and
the 6. I be willing to bet that in the real world, we are talking about a
1.5-2 second difference in the 0-60 time, and significantly more as speeds
get higher.
I know that neither of you feel the need for that extra power, and that is
certainly your perrogative, but IMHO you are really talking apples and
oranges by comparing the 4 to the 6.
Eric
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164 vs 234 hp, of course, makes a difference, but a 4 cyl with 164 hp giving
26 mpg is VERY respectable! Like I said earlier, I know what a 427 cubic
inch vette or even a 429 Shelby Mustang feels like - unforgettable- but
today it no longer seems so important whether I get to 60 mph 1.5 seconds
later than you. We'll both be either stuck at the next light or behind a
line of brainless, foreign truckers side by side going up the hill at 50
mph. I'd love a 6 too, but I had to ask myself why I needed it. I didn't
really have a good answer so I went for the more fuel efficient, cheaper 4
with 164 hp.
It's a no win conversation, of course, but always fun to debate.
Thanks,
tom
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> "Tom" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in
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>> There really is very
>> little difference between the 4 and 6, like Matt said.
>
> Without the benefit of anyone running a real scientific test between the
> two configurations (really 3 if you count the MT), I respectfully disagree
> with both of you. There is a medium to large difference between the 4 and
> the 6. I be willing to bet that in the real world, we are talking about a
> 1.5-2 second difference in the 0-60 time, and significantly more as speeds
> get higher.
>
> I know that neither of you feel the need for that extra power, and that is
> certainly your perrogative, but IMHO you are really talking apples and
> oranges by comparing the 4 to the 6.
>
> Eric
26 mpg is VERY respectable! Like I said earlier, I know what a 427 cubic
inch vette or even a 429 Shelby Mustang feels like - unforgettable- but
today it no longer seems so important whether I get to 60 mph 1.5 seconds
later than you. We'll both be either stuck at the next light or behind a
line of brainless, foreign truckers side by side going up the hill at 50
mph. I'd love a 6 too, but I had to ask myself why I needed it. I didn't
really have a good answer so I went for the more fuel efficient, cheaper 4
with 164 hp.
It's a no win conversation, of course, but always fun to debate.
Thanks,
tom
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> "Tom" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in
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>
>> There really is very
>> little difference between the 4 and 6, like Matt said.
>
> Without the benefit of anyone running a real scientific test between the
> two configurations (really 3 if you count the MT), I respectfully disagree
> with both of you. There is a medium to large difference between the 4 and
> the 6. I be willing to bet that in the real world, we are talking about a
> 1.5-2 second difference in the 0-60 time, and significantly more as speeds
> get higher.
>
> I know that neither of you feel the need for that extra power, and that is
> certainly your perrogative, but IMHO you are really talking apples and
> oranges by comparing the 4 to the 6.
>
> Eric
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Eric G. wrote:
> "Tom" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in
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>
>
>>There really is very
>>little difference between the 4 and 6, like Matt said.
>
>
> Without the benefit of anyone running a real scientific test between the
> two configurations (really 3 if you count the MT), I respectfully disagree
> with both of you. There is a medium to large difference between the 4 and
> the 6. I be willing to bet that in the real world, we are talking about a
> 1.5-2 second difference in the 0-60 time, and significantly more as speeds
> get higher.
Well, the data doesn't support your bet. The difference is slightly
more than 1 second in 0-60 between my 4 cylinder and your V-6 (1.19 to
be exact) and the difference in the quarter mile time is even less which
suggests the difference narrows with higher speed rather than widens as
you suggest. The quarter mile difference is only 1.06 seconds. So
we're talking less than 150 feet difference at the end of a quarter
mile. This is hardly an earthshattering difference and I'll bet that
most of it is off the line. The throttle and clutch on the Sonata are
terrible and making a quick launch is nearly impossible. I'll bet that
a 5 MPH rolling start would make the times very nearly identical, but I
can't find any data to prove that conclusively. However, I think it can
be reasonably inferred from the fact that the gap between the quarter
mile times is even less than that of the 0-60. The main reason for this
difference is the time lost on the launch. The average acceleration is
even higher for the 4 cylinder between 60 MPH and the quarter mile point
since the time gap was actually narrowed during this period.
http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/Sp...nata&trimid=-1
> I know that neither of you feel the need for that extra power, and that is
> certainly your perrogative, but IMHO you are really talking apples and
> oranges by comparing the 4 to the 6.
Well, it doesn't really matter, but I don't think the data supports
this. From an acceleration perspective, my manual I-4 is nearly
identical to your automatic V-6 once we get rolling. I won't argue that
the V-6 is faster off the line, but if the Sonata had a decent throttle
and clutch, even that advantage would pretty much disapper and I'll bet
the 0-60 times would be within the error bands of being identical.
Matt
> "Tom" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in
> news:4j7zh.1411$O8.1041@bignews2.bellsouth.net:
>
>
>>There really is very
>>little difference between the 4 and 6, like Matt said.
>
>
> Without the benefit of anyone running a real scientific test between the
> two configurations (really 3 if you count the MT), I respectfully disagree
> with both of you. There is a medium to large difference between the 4 and
> the 6. I be willing to bet that in the real world, we are talking about a
> 1.5-2 second difference in the 0-60 time, and significantly more as speeds
> get higher.
Well, the data doesn't support your bet. The difference is slightly
more than 1 second in 0-60 between my 4 cylinder and your V-6 (1.19 to
be exact) and the difference in the quarter mile time is even less which
suggests the difference narrows with higher speed rather than widens as
you suggest. The quarter mile difference is only 1.06 seconds. So
we're talking less than 150 feet difference at the end of a quarter
mile. This is hardly an earthshattering difference and I'll bet that
most of it is off the line. The throttle and clutch on the Sonata are
terrible and making a quick launch is nearly impossible. I'll bet that
a 5 MPH rolling start would make the times very nearly identical, but I
can't find any data to prove that conclusively. However, I think it can
be reasonably inferred from the fact that the gap between the quarter
mile times is even less than that of the 0-60. The main reason for this
difference is the time lost on the launch. The average acceleration is
even higher for the 4 cylinder between 60 MPH and the quarter mile point
since the time gap was actually narrowed during this period.
http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/Sp...nata&trimid=-1
> I know that neither of you feel the need for that extra power, and that is
> certainly your perrogative, but IMHO you are really talking apples and
> oranges by comparing the 4 to the 6.
Well, it doesn't really matter, but I don't think the data supports
this. From an acceleration perspective, my manual I-4 is nearly
identical to your automatic V-6 once we get rolling. I won't argue that
the V-6 is faster off the line, but if the Sonata had a decent throttle
and clutch, even that advantage would pretty much disapper and I'll bet
the 0-60 times would be within the error bands of being identical.
Matt
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Tom wrote:
> 164 vs 234 hp, of course, makes a difference, but a 4 cyl with 164 hp giving
> 26 mpg is VERY respectable! Like I said earlier, I know what a 427 cubic
> inch vette or even a 429 Shelby Mustang feels like - unforgettable- but
> today it no longer seems so important whether I get to 60 mph 1.5 seconds
> later than you. We'll both be either stuck at the next light or behind a
> line of brainless, foreign truckers side by side going up the hill at 50
> mph. I'd love a 6 too, but I had to ask myself why I needed it. I didn't
> really have a good answer so I went for the more fuel efficient, cheaper 4
> with 164 hp.
>
> It's a no win conversation, of course, but always fun to debate.
I agree that the debate is fun. However, it isn't HP that matters with
respect to acceleration, but rather torque peak and the shape of the
torque curve. The V-6 still has a large advantage here, but not as
great. The HP ratio is 1.45 (235/162) and the torque ratio is 1.38
(226/164). However, even more telling is that the torque peak for the 6
occurs at substantially lower RPM (3500 vs. 4250). Given that the
redlines are nearly identical (5800 for the 4 vs. 6000 for the 6), this
means that the 4 will continue to increase acceleration for a greater
portion of the RPM range. The 6 will begin to fall off above 3500
whereas the 4 still has 750 RPM to go before it begins to taper off.
Add in the losses in the automatic vs. the manual and the extra 200 or
so lbs of weight for the V-6, and you can see where the difference in
acceleration is much less than folks might expect from a superficial
look. I drove two or three V-6 automatics before buying my I-4 manual
as I was trying to see if they all had the touchy throttle, and the full
throttle acceleration was simply not distinguishable without a stopwatch
once the clutch was fully engaged and the cars rolling. I tried several
low speed runs and a couple of 50-75 MPH passing runs and the four felt
as strong as the six up to the speeds I tried (I don't think I exceeded
75 maybe 80 at the most). Maybe there would be a difference if you
started at 100 MPH and did a roll-on test, but I don't drive that fast
on public roads so I don't know.
Matt
> 164 vs 234 hp, of course, makes a difference, but a 4 cyl with 164 hp giving
> 26 mpg is VERY respectable! Like I said earlier, I know what a 427 cubic
> inch vette or even a 429 Shelby Mustang feels like - unforgettable- but
> today it no longer seems so important whether I get to 60 mph 1.5 seconds
> later than you. We'll both be either stuck at the next light or behind a
> line of brainless, foreign truckers side by side going up the hill at 50
> mph. I'd love a 6 too, but I had to ask myself why I needed it. I didn't
> really have a good answer so I went for the more fuel efficient, cheaper 4
> with 164 hp.
>
> It's a no win conversation, of course, but always fun to debate.
I agree that the debate is fun. However, it isn't HP that matters with
respect to acceleration, but rather torque peak and the shape of the
torque curve. The V-6 still has a large advantage here, but not as
great. The HP ratio is 1.45 (235/162) and the torque ratio is 1.38
(226/164). However, even more telling is that the torque peak for the 6
occurs at substantially lower RPM (3500 vs. 4250). Given that the
redlines are nearly identical (5800 for the 4 vs. 6000 for the 6), this
means that the 4 will continue to increase acceleration for a greater
portion of the RPM range. The 6 will begin to fall off above 3500
whereas the 4 still has 750 RPM to go before it begins to taper off.
Add in the losses in the automatic vs. the manual and the extra 200 or
so lbs of weight for the V-6, and you can see where the difference in
acceleration is much less than folks might expect from a superficial
look. I drove two or three V-6 automatics before buying my I-4 manual
as I was trying to see if they all had the touchy throttle, and the full
throttle acceleration was simply not distinguishable without a stopwatch
once the clutch was fully engaged and the cars rolling. I tried several
low speed runs and a couple of 50-75 MPH passing runs and the four felt
as strong as the six up to the speeds I tried (I don't think I exceeded
75 maybe 80 at the most). Maybe there would be a difference if you
started at 100 MPH and did a roll-on test, but I don't drive that fast
on public roads so I don't know.
Matt
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"Eric G." <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet> wrote in message
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> You guys must be pretty hard on the pedal. I tend to "open 'er up" a
> bit nowadays too, but I am still getting about 22 MPG with 19,000 on the
> odometer. Although with the cold here the last week, I only managed
> about 19.5 MPG on my last tank.
>
> Eric
You can't say "hard on" in a usenet forum Eric. Geeze. I do like to feel
acceleration but I'm not really too hard on the pedal. My wife's Sonata
gets around 23 around town (roughly 1/3 interstate, 2/3 non-interstate) even
with me driving it.
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"Tom" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> 164 vs 234 hp, of course, makes a difference, but a 4 cyl with 164 hp
giving
> 26 mpg is VERY respectable! Like I said earlier, I know what a 427 cubic
> inch vette or even a 429 Shelby Mustang feels like - unforgettable- but
> today it no longer seems so important whether I get to 60 mph 1.5 seconds
> later than you. We'll both be either stuck at the next light or behind a
> line of brainless, foreign truckers side by side going up the hill at 50
> mph. I'd love a 6 too, but I had to ask myself why I needed it. I didn't
> really have a good answer so I went for the more fuel efficient, cheaper 4
> with 164 hp.
Very little difference or a difference? I can't keep up. One post says
there's very little difference between a 4 and a 6, and the next says of
course there is a difference. Oh well... but like I said before, I'm really
happy that you like your 4. That's how it should be. I've had 400HP+ cars
in the past also, but I have never ceased to enjoy the feeling of
acceleration. I much prefer the performance of a 6 over a 4. Just my
preference. I don't care if we're both at the same light down the road. I
enjoy the acceleration and frankly, I get annoyed by people who poke off the
line and who think that just because they don't care how soon they get
there, that everyone else should see it their way. You go with your
preferences, and I'll go with mine. We'll both be happy that way. And that
sure beats flicking boogers at each other at the stop lights.
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"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> The throttle and clutch on the Sonata are terrible and making a quick
> launch is nearly impossible.
> Well, it doesn't really matter, but I don't think the data supports this.
> From an acceleration perspective, my manual I-4 is nearly identical to
> your automatic V-6 once we get rolling. I won't argue that the V-6 is
> faster off the line, but if the Sonata had a decent throttle and clutch,
> even that advantage would pretty much disapper and I'll bet the 0-60 times
> would be within the error bands of being identical.
If, if, if. Thanks for pointing out the V6 is superior. Ifs don't win
trophies. If you paid another $200,000 you could have had a Lamborghini.
If your name was Buffet, you might inherit a billion dollars. If you'd have
bought 1000 share of Microsoft the first day of issue you'd not have to
inherit a billion dollars. If the sun was in the sky if would not be dark
out. If . . . . . .
There is no substitute for cubic inches.
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"Mike Marlow" <mmarlow@alltel.net> wrote in message
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> "Eric G." <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet> wrote in message
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>>
>> You guys must be pretty hard on the pedal. I tend to "open 'er up" a
>> bit nowadays too, but I am still getting about 22 MPG with 19,000 on the
>> odometer. Although with the cold here the last week, I only managed
>> about 19.5 MPG on my last tank.
>>
>> Eric
>
> You can't say "hard on" in a usenet forum Eric. Geeze. I do like to feel
> acceleration but I'm not really too hard on the pedal. My wife's Sonata
> gets around 23 around town (roughly 1/3 interstate, 2/3 non-interstate)
> even
> with me driving it.
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
OK, lets get real here.
If one drives 15,000 miles a year at 26 MPG average one uses 577 gallons of
gas
If one drives 15,000 miles a year at 22 MPG average one uses 682 gallons of
gas
The difference is 105 gallons
At $2.19 per gallon the difference is $229.95 for the entire year.
IMHO if $229.95 for the year is going to make a difference it is in all
likelihood not a good idea to purchase either car.
Double Tap
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"Tom" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> Mike,
>
> I only stated what I feel. What you feel is your business. I know that I
> can pass safely on a two lane road, accelerate at a good rate when
needed,
> and move up and down hills without a struggle. I have 15,000 miles on my
> car and see no reason for needing more power. Your opinion is respected
> just as well as mine. Different strokes for different folks.
Tom:
I simply responded to your rather pointed post below. Please note your
comment and tone. You admonished people to quit being wasteful and do as
you do, since you consider it to be enough. I think I was kind enough in my
response. If you are going to tell people what to do, you better be
prepared for a response that differs from your own opinion. Or - don't tell
other people what to do.
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-Mike-
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>
> Tom
>
> "Mike Marlow" <mmarlow@alltel.net> wrote in message
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> > "Tom" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> >> Another person opted for a V6 under the misconception that he needed
more
> >> 'power'. ) The 4 has more than enough power to move my '06 briskly
in
> >> passing mode. I have been consistently getting 24.6 +- around town
with
> > an
> >> occasional 15 mile highway trip to the next town. People, you don't
need
> > a
> >> V6!!!!! Stop wasting gas! Sure you can afford to buy it but why?????
> >>
> >
> > Many of us test drove 4 cylinders with automatics and found the
> > performance
> > to be less than remarkable. Quite poor, in fact. Therefore, we own six
> > cylinders. I'm glad you like your 4, but please don't suggest that
> > because
> > a 4 is brisk enough for you, that it should satisfy the needs of
everyone.
> >
> > --
> >
> > -Mike-
> > mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
> >
> >
>
>
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"Tom" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> I guess you need that extra torque to pull all that extra stuff you bought
> to feel good. ) For me, with the drives on the roads today, I don't
> care to stay out there any longer than I have to.......
Yep, I have a 26 mile ride to work and enjoy it. I've got the 6 CD changer
loaded with MP3's so there are hours of music that sounds just great with
the Infinity sound systemj. The climate control set at 70 degrees does a
good job of keeping me warm and cuddly too. I don't mind a long drive
because I can move th at power seat a bit if I want to change position and
the lumbar support is good for my back. The vanity mirror is lighted so I
can see to comb my hair if any ever grows back. Hey, it can happen.
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"Double Tap" <doubletap@37.com> wrote in message
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> "Mike Marlow" <mmarlow@alltel.net> wrote in message
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> > "Eric G." <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet> wrote in message
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> >
> >>
> >> You guys must be pretty hard on the pedal. I tend to "open 'er up" a
> >> bit nowadays too, but I am still getting about 22 MPG with 19,000 on
the
> >> odometer. Although with the cold here the last week, I only managed
> >> about 19.5 MPG on my last tank.
> >>
> >> Eric
> >
> > You can't say "hard on" in a usenet forum Eric. Geeze. I do like to
feel
> > acceleration but I'm not really too hard on the pedal. My wife's Sonata
> > gets around 23 around town (roughly 1/3 interstate, 2/3 non-interstate)
> > even
> > with me driving it.
> > -Mike-
> > mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
>
> OK, lets get real here.
> If one drives 15,000 miles a year at 26 MPG average one uses 577 gallons
of
> gas
> If one drives 15,000 miles a year at 22 MPG average one uses 682 gallons
of
> gas
>
> The difference is 105 gallons
> At $2.19 per gallon the difference is $229.95 for the entire year.
>
> IMHO if $229.95 for the year is going to make a difference it is in all
> likelihood not a good idea to purchase either car.
>
> Double Tap
>
>
Huh??? Sorry guy - I don't get the reason for this post.
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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
>
>> The throttle and clutch on the Sonata are terrible and making a quick
>>launch is nearly impossible.
>>Well, it doesn't really matter, but I don't think the data supports this.
>>From an acceleration perspective, my manual I-4 is nearly identical to
>>your automatic V-6 once we get rolling. I won't argue that the V-6 is
>>faster off the line, but if the Sonata had a decent throttle and clutch,
>>even that advantage would pretty much disapper and I'll bet the 0-60 times
>>would be within the error bands of being identical.
>
>
>
> If, if, if. Thanks for pointing out the V6 is superior. Ifs don't win
> trophies. If you paid another $200,000 you could have had a Lamborghini.
> If your name was Buffet, you might inherit a billion dollars. If you'd have
> bought 1000 share of Microsoft the first day of issue you'd not have to
> inherit a billion dollars. If the sun was in the sky if would not be dark
> out. If . . . . . .
No the V-6 isn't superior at all, the clutch and throttle is simply
inferior. Nothing to do with the engine. You do realize the difference
between the clutch and the engine, right? :-)
There are lots of substitues for cubic inches. Just look at Formula 1
cars vs. Nascar.
Matt
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
>
>> The throttle and clutch on the Sonata are terrible and making a quick
>>launch is nearly impossible.
>>Well, it doesn't really matter, but I don't think the data supports this.
>>From an acceleration perspective, my manual I-4 is nearly identical to
>>your automatic V-6 once we get rolling. I won't argue that the V-6 is
>>faster off the line, but if the Sonata had a decent throttle and clutch,
>>even that advantage would pretty much disapper and I'll bet the 0-60 times
>>would be within the error bands of being identical.
>
>
>
> If, if, if. Thanks for pointing out the V6 is superior. Ifs don't win
> trophies. If you paid another $200,000 you could have had a Lamborghini.
> If your name was Buffet, you might inherit a billion dollars. If you'd have
> bought 1000 share of Microsoft the first day of issue you'd not have to
> inherit a billion dollars. If the sun was in the sky if would not be dark
> out. If . . . . . .
No the V-6 isn't superior at all, the clutch and throttle is simply
inferior. Nothing to do with the engine. You do realize the difference
between the clutch and the engine, right? :-)
There are lots of substitues for cubic inches. Just look at Formula 1
cars vs. Nascar.
Matt
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Re: Sonata Gas Mileage?
Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in
news:e6azh.2598$Oc.157606@news1.epix.net:
> Eric G. wrote:
>
>> "Tom" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in
>> news:4j7zh.1411$O8.1041@bignews2.bellsouth.net:
>>
>>
>>>There really is very
>>>little difference between the 4 and 6, like Matt said.
>>
>>
>> Without the benefit of anyone running a real scientific test between
>> the two configurations (really 3 if you count the MT), I respectfully
>> disagree with both of you. There is a medium to large difference
>> between the 4 and the 6. I be willing to bet that in the real world,
>> we are talking about a 1.5-2 second difference in the 0-60 time, and
>> significantly more as speeds get higher.
>
> Well, the data doesn't support your bet. The difference is slightly
> more than 1 second in 0-60 between my 4 cylinder and your V-6 (1.19 to
> be exact) and the difference in the quarter mile time is even less
> which suggests the difference narrows with higher speed rather than
> widens as you suggest. The quarter mile difference is only 1.06
> seconds. So we're talking less than 150 feet difference at the end of
> a quarter mile. This is hardly an earthshattering difference and I'll
> bet that most of it is off the line. The throttle and clutch on the
> Sonata are terrible and making a quick launch is nearly impossible.
> I'll bet that a 5 MPH rolling start would make the times very nearly
> identical, but I can't find any data to prove that conclusively.
> However, I think it can be reasonably inferred from the fact that the
> gap between the quarter mile times is even less than that of the 0-60.
> The main reason for this difference is the time lost on the launch.
> The average acceleration is even higher for the 4 cylinder between 60
> MPH and the quarter mile point since the time gap was actually
> narrowed during this period.
>
> http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/Sp...aspx?year=2006
&make=Hyund
> ai&model=Sonata&trimid=-1
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...i-sonata-lx-v-
6.
html
Funny, Car and Driver was able to get a 0-60 time of 6.6 seconds with
the 2006 LX. I have a GLS V6, which is close to 200 lbs. lighter which
should make it about a tick quicker. The problem here is CD didn't test
the 4 banger so we have no way to know how really bad the MSN data is.
But in any event, you do realize how much faster 1.06 seconds is in the
1/4 mile, right? Like night and day if you ever been to a drag strip.
But again, I am happy that you are happy with your car. However slow it
might be :-)
Eric
news:e6azh.2598$Oc.157606@news1.epix.net:
> Eric G. wrote:
>
>> "Tom" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in
>> news:4j7zh.1411$O8.1041@bignews2.bellsouth.net:
>>
>>
>>>There really is very
>>>little difference between the 4 and 6, like Matt said.
>>
>>
>> Without the benefit of anyone running a real scientific test between
>> the two configurations (really 3 if you count the MT), I respectfully
>> disagree with both of you. There is a medium to large difference
>> between the 4 and the 6. I be willing to bet that in the real world,
>> we are talking about a 1.5-2 second difference in the 0-60 time, and
>> significantly more as speeds get higher.
>
> Well, the data doesn't support your bet. The difference is slightly
> more than 1 second in 0-60 between my 4 cylinder and your V-6 (1.19 to
> be exact) and the difference in the quarter mile time is even less
> which suggests the difference narrows with higher speed rather than
> widens as you suggest. The quarter mile difference is only 1.06
> seconds. So we're talking less than 150 feet difference at the end of
> a quarter mile. This is hardly an earthshattering difference and I'll
> bet that most of it is off the line. The throttle and clutch on the
> Sonata are terrible and making a quick launch is nearly impossible.
> I'll bet that a 5 MPH rolling start would make the times very nearly
> identical, but I can't find any data to prove that conclusively.
> However, I think it can be reasonably inferred from the fact that the
> gap between the quarter mile times is even less than that of the 0-60.
> The main reason for this difference is the time lost on the launch.
> The average acceleration is even higher for the 4 cylinder between 60
> MPH and the quarter mile point since the time gap was actually
> narrowed during this period.
>
> http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/Sp...aspx?year=2006
&make=Hyund
> ai&model=Sonata&trimid=-1
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...i-sonata-lx-v-
6.
html
Funny, Car and Driver was able to get a 0-60 time of 6.6 seconds with
the 2006 LX. I have a GLS V6, which is close to 200 lbs. lighter which
should make it about a tick quicker. The problem here is CD didn't test
the 4 banger so we have no way to know how really bad the MSN data is.
But in any event, you do realize how much faster 1.06 seconds is in the
1/4 mile, right? Like night and day if you ever been to a drag strip.
But again, I am happy that you are happy with your car. However slow it
might be :-)
Eric
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Re: Sonata Gas Mileage?
"Mike Marlow" <mmarlow@alltel.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Double Tap" <doubletap@37.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Mike Marlow" <mmarlow@alltel.net> wrote in message
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>> >
>> > "Eric G." <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet> wrote in message
>> > news:Xns98D2AD1C3E874Xz124HiiUdfEEE6@140.99.99.130 ...
>> >
>> >>
>> >> You guys must be pretty hard on the pedal. I tend to "open 'er up" a
>> >> bit nowadays too, but I am still getting about 22 MPG with 19,000 on
> the
>> >> odometer. Although with the cold here the last week, I only managed
>> >> about 19.5 MPG on my last tank.
>> >>
>> >> Eric
>> >
>> > You can't say "hard on" in a usenet forum Eric. Geeze. I do like to
> feel
>> > acceleration but I'm not really too hard on the pedal. My wife's
>> > Sonata
>> > gets around 23 around town (roughly 1/3 interstate, 2/3 non-interstate)
>> > even
>> > with me driving it.
>> > -Mike-
>> > mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
>>
>> OK, lets get real here.
>> If one drives 15,000 miles a year at 26 MPG average one uses 577 gallons
> of
>> gas
>> If one drives 15,000 miles a year at 22 MPG average one uses 682 gallons
> of
>> gas
>>
>> The difference is 105 gallons
>> At $2.19 per gallon the difference is $229.95 for the entire year.
>>
>> IMHO if $229.95 for the year is going to make a difference it is in all
>> likelihood not a good idea to purchase either car.
>>
>> Double Tap
>>
>>
>
> Huh??? Sorry guy - I don't get the reason for this post.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
Let me see, Oh I guess someone forgot the subject of the thread is Sonata
Gas Mileage and some people were discussing there mileage figures.
Double Tap