Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
 

Of course they do, just like Chocolate milk comes from brown cows !!!
Tunez


"Jody" <jaari1972@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:tSUVf.741$m35.70383@news20.bellglobal.com...
>i guess the name brands have speacial oil wells?
> "Deck" <decan9@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:9a2a2a18091fcf7caafb8fc3d5123e83@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
>> you trying to tell me that, after I spend over 20,000 for an automobile,
>> I
>> shouldn't skimp on oil? What a concept !:)
>>
>
>

Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
 

Deck wrote:

> you trying to tell me that, after I spend over 20,000 for an automobile, I
> shouldn't skimp on oil? What a concept !:)
>

Did I say that? :-)


Matt

Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
 

Deck wrote:

> you trying to tell me that, after I spend over 20,000 for an automobile, I
> shouldn't skimp on oil? What a concept !:)
>

Did I say that? :-)


Matt

Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
 

Deck wrote:

> you trying to tell me that, after I spend over 20,000 for an automobile, I
> shouldn't skimp on oil? What a concept !:)
>

Did I say that? :-)


Matt

Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
 

Jody wrote:

> i guess the name brands have speacial oil wells?

Well, now that you mention it, the quality of crude oil does vary rather
dramatically depending on where it comes from. However, the real issue
is the additive packages, how well the oil is filtered before packaging,
how clean the oil handling equipment is, how well the QA tests are done
to ensure that every batch is up to snuff, etc. Low cost producers of
many products generally have skimped somewhere along the line. This may
never cause a problem, then again it may.

Personally, I think that there are a few areas with respect to car
maintenance and repair that shouldn't be skimped on. Tires, oil, oil
filters, and brakes for example.


Matt

Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
 

Jody wrote:

> i guess the name brands have speacial oil wells?

Well, now that you mention it, the quality of crude oil does vary rather
dramatically depending on where it comes from. However, the real issue
is the additive packages, how well the oil is filtered before packaging,
how clean the oil handling equipment is, how well the QA tests are done
to ensure that every batch is up to snuff, etc. Low cost producers of
many products generally have skimped somewhere along the line. This may
never cause a problem, then again it may.

Personally, I think that there are a few areas with respect to car
maintenance and repair that shouldn't be skimped on. Tires, oil, oil
filters, and brakes for example.


Matt

Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
 

Jody wrote:

> i guess the name brands have speacial oil wells?

Well, now that you mention it, the quality of crude oil does vary rather
dramatically depending on where it comes from. However, the real issue
is the additive packages, how well the oil is filtered before packaging,
how clean the oil handling equipment is, how well the QA tests are done
to ensure that every batch is up to snuff, etc. Low cost producers of
many products generally have skimped somewhere along the line. This may
never cause a problem, then again it may.

Personally, I think that there are a few areas with respect to car
maintenance and repair that shouldn't be skimped on. Tires, oil, oil
filters, and brakes for example.


Matt

Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
 

Bob Adkins wrote:

> On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 00:43:26 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Maybe the Supertech oil is good, maybe it isn't. Most things at
>>Wal-Mart are less expensive for a reason, and that reason is that most
>>of their stuff is junk. Look at tools or most anything else and compare
>>it to real quality tools, etc. Brand name products should be the same
>>whether bought at Wally World or elsewhere, but buying generic store
>>brand stuff is a crap shoot in my opinion. However, it is your car,
>>Deck, so do what you wish.
>
>
>
> Matt, changing the label on a tool or bottle of oil does not magically
> change their properties. Wal-Mart can sell brand name products cheaper
> because they have mega-buying power, not because their label somehow
> degrades the quality. Mobil1 from Wal-Mart is the same quality as Mobil1
> from Pep Boys.

I never claimed it did and specifically said above that brand name (and
labeled) products should be the same everywhere. If you really believe
that store brand products are exactly the same as brand name products
other than the label, then that is your prerogative. I know for a fact
that many industries sort products by specifications and "bin" them for
sale. The high quality products get sold under a brand name and the
lower quality get sold to folks that rebrand them. This is very common
in the electronics industry for example.


> The only legitimate question is, what's in the SuperTech bottle? The MSDS
> sheet says Pennzoil/Quaker state. Not exactly chopped liver.

That is the only legitimate question, I agree. However, the MSDS
doesn't tell you what is in the bottle, it tells you what is supposed to
be in the bottle. Poor QA may well mean that what is in the bottle
isn't exactly what is supposed to be in the bottle. And, yes, I
actually do consider Pennzoil and Quaker State to be the chopped liver
of oil brands. Quaker State is one of the few oil producers that
destroyed a bunch of engines due to poor QA that let bad oil get out of
their factory.


Matt

Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
 

Bob Adkins wrote:

> On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 00:43:26 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Maybe the Supertech oil is good, maybe it isn't. Most things at
>>Wal-Mart are less expensive for a reason, and that reason is that most
>>of their stuff is junk. Look at tools or most anything else and compare
>>it to real quality tools, etc. Brand name products should be the same
>>whether bought at Wally World or elsewhere, but buying generic store
>>brand stuff is a crap shoot in my opinion. However, it is your car,
>>Deck, so do what you wish.
>
>
>
> Matt, changing the label on a tool or bottle of oil does not magically
> change their properties. Wal-Mart can sell brand name products cheaper
> because they have mega-buying power, not because their label somehow
> degrades the quality. Mobil1 from Wal-Mart is the same quality as Mobil1
> from Pep Boys.

I never claimed it did and specifically said above that brand name (and
labeled) products should be the same everywhere. If you really believe
that store brand products are exactly the same as brand name products
other than the label, then that is your prerogative. I know for a fact
that many industries sort products by specifications and "bin" them for
sale. The high quality products get sold under a brand name and the
lower quality get sold to folks that rebrand them. This is very common
in the electronics industry for example.


> The only legitimate question is, what's in the SuperTech bottle? The MSDS
> sheet says Pennzoil/Quaker state. Not exactly chopped liver.

That is the only legitimate question, I agree. However, the MSDS
doesn't tell you what is in the bottle, it tells you what is supposed to
be in the bottle. Poor QA may well mean that what is in the bottle
isn't exactly what is supposed to be in the bottle. And, yes, I
actually do consider Pennzoil and Quaker State to be the chopped liver
of oil brands. Quaker State is one of the few oil producers that
destroyed a bunch of engines due to poor QA that let bad oil get out of
their factory.


Matt

Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
 

Bob Adkins wrote:

> On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 00:43:26 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Maybe the Supertech oil is good, maybe it isn't. Most things at
>>Wal-Mart are less expensive for a reason, and that reason is that most
>>of their stuff is junk. Look at tools or most anything else and compare
>>it to real quality tools, etc. Brand name products should be the same
>>whether bought at Wally World or elsewhere, but buying generic store
>>brand stuff is a crap shoot in my opinion. However, it is your car,
>>Deck, so do what you wish.
>
>
>
> Matt, changing the label on a tool or bottle of oil does not magically
> change their properties. Wal-Mart can sell brand name products cheaper
> because they have mega-buying power, not because their label somehow
> degrades the quality. Mobil1 from Wal-Mart is the same quality as Mobil1
> from Pep Boys.

I never claimed it did and specifically said above that brand name (and
labeled) products should be the same everywhere. If you really believe
that store brand products are exactly the same as brand name products
other than the label, then that is your prerogative. I know for a fact
that many industries sort products by specifications and "bin" them for
sale. The high quality products get sold under a brand name and the
lower quality get sold to folks that rebrand them. This is very common
in the electronics industry for example.


> The only legitimate question is, what's in the SuperTech bottle? The MSDS
> sheet says Pennzoil/Quaker state. Not exactly chopped liver.

That is the only legitimate question, I agree. However, the MSDS
doesn't tell you what is in the bottle, it tells you what is supposed to
be in the bottle. Poor QA may well mean that what is in the bottle
isn't exactly what is supposed to be in the bottle. And, yes, I
actually do consider Pennzoil and Quaker State to be the chopped liver
of oil brands. Quaker State is one of the few oil producers that
destroyed a bunch of engines due to poor QA that let bad oil get out of
their factory.


Matt

Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
 

On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:42:20 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:

>Bob Adkins wrote:

>I never claimed it did and specifically said above that brand name (and
>labeled) products should be the same everywhere. If you really believe
>that store brand products are exactly the same as brand name products
>other than the label, then that is your prerogative.

I don't think Pennzoil/QS or Shell or any other supplier would create a
blend just for Wal-Mart. That wouldn't make economic sense at all when there
are already excellent blends to choose from. SuperTech oil is simply
re-labeled oil that is identical to some other oil. The question is, which
one? Hint: It's a premium oil that meets all the latest API, SAE, ASTM Etc.
specs.

>> The only legitimate question is, what's in the SuperTech bottle? The MSDS
>> sheet says Pennzoil/Quaker state. Not exactly chopped liver.

>be in the bottle. Poor QA may well mean that what is in the bottle
>isn't exactly what is supposed to be in the bottle. And, yes, I
>actually do consider Pennzoil and Quaker State to be the chopped liver
>of oil brands. Quaker State is one of the few oil producers that
>destroyed a bunch of engines due to poor QA that let bad oil get out of
>their factory.

So, you believe every oil maker except for Pennzoil/QS is immune to QA
problems? Well I've got news for ya! :)

It comes down to trusting a label. I think Wal-Mart has just as much
integrity as the next re-seller of bulk-blended oil. In fact, Wal-Mart's QA
program probably strikes more fear into the oil companies than any other
outlet. After all, Wal-Mart is probably their most important customer.

Matt, we've got to be careful today. A person can praise one brand very
highly and smear another viciously and be embarrassed to find they are
different in name only.

We have huge oil bottlers that specialize in economically bottling oil for
many customers. In order to reduce overhead, I'm sure their inventory
consists of dozens fewer actual formulations than there are brands. And it's
subject to change from time to time.

That brings to mind a neighbor that used to tell me my riding mower was
junk, and his brand was the highest of quality. One day I took a close look
at his mower, and the only difference in the 2 were the paint job. I really
had some fun with that one!

Moral: Research thoroughly (not just old information) before saying one oil
is inferior to another.
--
Bob

Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
 

On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:42:20 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:

>Bob Adkins wrote:

>I never claimed it did and specifically said above that brand name (and
>labeled) products should be the same everywhere. If you really believe
>that store brand products are exactly the same as brand name products
>other than the label, then that is your prerogative.

I don't think Pennzoil/QS or Shell or any other supplier would create a
blend just for Wal-Mart. That wouldn't make economic sense at all when there
are already excellent blends to choose from. SuperTech oil is simply
re-labeled oil that is identical to some other oil. The question is, which
one? Hint: It's a premium oil that meets all the latest API, SAE, ASTM Etc.
specs.

>> The only legitimate question is, what's in the SuperTech bottle? The MSDS
>> sheet says Pennzoil/Quaker state. Not exactly chopped liver.

>be in the bottle. Poor QA may well mean that what is in the bottle
>isn't exactly what is supposed to be in the bottle. And, yes, I
>actually do consider Pennzoil and Quaker State to be the chopped liver
>of oil brands. Quaker State is one of the few oil producers that
>destroyed a bunch of engines due to poor QA that let bad oil get out of
>their factory.

So, you believe every oil maker except for Pennzoil/QS is immune to QA
problems? Well I've got news for ya! :)

It comes down to trusting a label. I think Wal-Mart has just as much
integrity as the next re-seller of bulk-blended oil. In fact, Wal-Mart's QA
program probably strikes more fear into the oil companies than any other
outlet. After all, Wal-Mart is probably their most important customer.

Matt, we've got to be careful today. A person can praise one brand very
highly and smear another viciously and be embarrassed to find they are
different in name only.

We have huge oil bottlers that specialize in economically bottling oil for
many customers. In order to reduce overhead, I'm sure their inventory
consists of dozens fewer actual formulations than there are brands. And it's
subject to change from time to time.

That brings to mind a neighbor that used to tell me my riding mower was
junk, and his brand was the highest of quality. One day I took a close look
at his mower, and the only difference in the 2 were the paint job. I really
had some fun with that one!

Moral: Research thoroughly (not just old information) before saying one oil
is inferior to another.
--
Bob

Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
 

On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:42:20 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:

>Bob Adkins wrote:

>I never claimed it did and specifically said above that brand name (and
>labeled) products should be the same everywhere. If you really believe
>that store brand products are exactly the same as brand name products
>other than the label, then that is your prerogative.

I don't think Pennzoil/QS or Shell or any other supplier would create a
blend just for Wal-Mart. That wouldn't make economic sense at all when there
are already excellent blends to choose from. SuperTech oil is simply
re-labeled oil that is identical to some other oil. The question is, which
one? Hint: It's a premium oil that meets all the latest API, SAE, ASTM Etc.
specs.

>> The only legitimate question is, what's in the SuperTech bottle? The MSDS
>> sheet says Pennzoil/Quaker state. Not exactly chopped liver.

>be in the bottle. Poor QA may well mean that what is in the bottle
>isn't exactly what is supposed to be in the bottle. And, yes, I
>actually do consider Pennzoil and Quaker State to be the chopped liver
>of oil brands. Quaker State is one of the few oil producers that
>destroyed a bunch of engines due to poor QA that let bad oil get out of
>their factory.

So, you believe every oil maker except for Pennzoil/QS is immune to QA
problems? Well I've got news for ya! :)

It comes down to trusting a label. I think Wal-Mart has just as much
integrity as the next re-seller of bulk-blended oil. In fact, Wal-Mart's QA
program probably strikes more fear into the oil companies than any other
outlet. After all, Wal-Mart is probably their most important customer.

Matt, we've got to be careful today. A person can praise one brand very
highly and smear another viciously and be embarrassed to find they are
different in name only.

We have huge oil bottlers that specialize in economically bottling oil for
many customers. In order to reduce overhead, I'm sure their inventory
consists of dozens fewer actual formulations than there are brands. And it's
subject to change from time to time.

That brings to mind a neighbor that used to tell me my riding mower was
junk, and his brand was the highest of quality. One day I took a close look
at his mower, and the only difference in the 2 were the paint job. I really
had some fun with that one!

Moral: Research thoroughly (not just old information) before saying one oil
is inferior to another.
--
Bob

Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
 

"Wal-Mart Supertech oil filters are junk, see below and other places:
http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/filters.shtml "

Matt,

I've been using the super tech filters for years without a single
problem. They are made by STP. If you open up the box on a bosch, STP
and a super tech filter you will see that the canister is identical
down to the letter stampings, save for the label on the outside. In
this respect I agree with Mr. Bartsch.

I would question the integrity of information on a website that only
lists one type of filter to avoid, and completely misses the trainwreck
called "Fram". Fram filters made since they were acquired by allied
signal are the ones to avoid. I had one of those blow up on a cold
start one morning. I've never had a super tech leak or fail. One need
look no further than the disclaimer at the top of the page to see that
the information you have posted a link to is meant to be questioned:
"This review contains no SAE or ASTM test data regarding filtration
ability or flow information."


Chris

Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
 

"Wal-Mart Supertech oil filters are junk, see below and other places:
http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/filters.shtml "

Matt,

I've been using the super tech filters for years without a single
problem. They are made by STP. If you open up the box on a bosch, STP
and a super tech filter you will see that the canister is identical
down to the letter stampings, save for the label on the outside. In
this respect I agree with Mr. Bartsch.

I would question the integrity of information on a website that only
lists one type of filter to avoid, and completely misses the trainwreck
called "Fram". Fram filters made since they were acquired by allied
signal are the ones to avoid. I had one of those blow up on a cold
start one morning. I've never had a super tech leak or fail. One need
look no further than the disclaimer at the top of the page to see that
the information you have posted a link to is meant to be questioned:
"This review contains no SAE or ASTM test data regarding filtration
ability or flow information."


Chris