Dan

Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
> Sorry, but I cannot agree with this opinion. Having worked with these OEM
> tires, and many others, OEM Michelin's have been MUCH more hype than
> quality, and this is no exception.
>
> Part of the problem is what car manufacturers must look for when they order
> specs for tires for their cars. The government regulations force them to
> put WAY too much emphasis on fuel economy, vs. other factors of tire
> performance.
>
> This means that OEM tires, when stacked against virtually ANY other quality
> competitor, will invariably come up short in a lot of ways, because these
> other tires don't have to be bound by what has to be in a new car.
>
> While we are not talking about the same tire, a good example is a popular
> OEM tire, and a popular replacement when cars are traded in and need
> different tires, the Goodyear Eagle LS. It is a wonderfully quiet tire, and
> will get you as good a fuel mileage as any tire out there. But the Eagle LS
> radials have the longest stopping distances in the industry, bar none.
> Virtually any other OEM tire has similar or other weaknesses.
>
> I am yet to see any OEM tire that was SO good that it would be a better
> choice than some of the others out there that are sold. Indeed, one of my
> best friends, who owns a tire store, continues to make a lot of money on
> "take-off's," original equipment tires that are replaced by their owners
> almost immediately with something better. New car owners know what these
> OEM tires are (and are not) made of, and get into something that will indeed
> serve them better.
>
> Okay, fuel mileage may suffer a bit with any of them, but in a hundred other
> different means of measuring a good tire, these "after-market" tires run
> rings around OEM's, even if the originals have brand names like Michelin,
> Goodyear, Bridgestone.or others.
>
> Indeed, sometimes these owners even trade in OEM Michelins for other
> Michelins, OEM Bridgestones for other Bridgestones, etc. They know that,
> even if they like the manufacturer, and know they want that brand of tires,
> they will not want the originals put on their cars, as they are not all that
> great.
>
> Overall, this tire store owner is of the opinion that Michelins are one
> thing consistently - expensive. There are some good ones (and a very good
> one available through Sam's Club, BJ's and Costco) if you have the money,
> and it meets your particular specs [the XG350L does not]. But none of the
> good ones are OEM's. Tire sites that test tires will bear this out, that
> there is nothing special about Michelin OEM's, and the OEM on the XG350L is
> no exception.
>
> Tom Wenndt
>
>
> "kjr" <kjr107@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news6pts1pj1hhe3hbtvqgi8pi3rilph579cc@4ax.com...
>> Stick with the OEM Michelin brand. Best tire all around.
>>
>> On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:42:34 -0600, "DanK"
>> <danielgk_NOSPAM@voomtech.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Its about that time again.
>>> The XG350 comes with p205/60R16 which can be hard to find.
>>> I've heard p205/55R16 will fit and only be noticible because the
>>> speedometer
>>> will read 3mph slow at 60 mph.
>>> I'm looking for a long life, quiet tire that has good traction on snow and
>>> ice.
>>> Will probably go with a Brigstone Turanza unless someone has a better
>>> suggestion.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>
>
I have to agree with the Rev.. My '97 Tiburon came with Michelin's on
it. They seemed to be great for about the first half of the tread. But
after that point, even in a moderate rainfall, they began hydroplaning
seriously at 35 mph. I changed these tires out for some relatively
inexpensive Falkens and noted a vast improvement in handling. Even when
those tires were virtually worn out, they did not hydroplane like the
Michelin's did. My mileage did not suffer with the replacements. I have
found that after several sets of tires (my Tiburon has over 257,000
miles on it), nothing has been as bad as the original Michelin's.

Dan

Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
> Sorry, but I cannot agree with this opinion. Having worked with these OEM
> tires, and many others, OEM Michelin's have been MUCH more hype than
> quality, and this is no exception.
>
> Part of the problem is what car manufacturers must look for when they order
> specs for tires for their cars. The government regulations force them to
> put WAY too much emphasis on fuel economy, vs. other factors of tire
> performance.
>
> This means that OEM tires, when stacked against virtually ANY other quality
> competitor, will invariably come up short in a lot of ways, because these
> other tires don't have to be bound by what has to be in a new car.
>
> While we are not talking about the same tire, a good example is a popular
> OEM tire, and a popular replacement when cars are traded in and need
> different tires, the Goodyear Eagle LS. It is a wonderfully quiet tire, and
> will get you as good a fuel mileage as any tire out there. But the Eagle LS
> radials have the longest stopping distances in the industry, bar none.
> Virtually any other OEM tire has similar or other weaknesses.
>
> I am yet to see any OEM tire that was SO good that it would be a better
> choice than some of the others out there that are sold. Indeed, one of my
> best friends, who owns a tire store, continues to make a lot of money on
> "take-off's," original equipment tires that are replaced by their owners
> almost immediately with something better. New car owners know what these
> OEM tires are (and are not) made of, and get into something that will indeed
> serve them better.
>
> Okay, fuel mileage may suffer a bit with any of them, but in a hundred other
> different means of measuring a good tire, these "after-market" tires run
> rings around OEM's, even if the originals have brand names like Michelin,
> Goodyear, Bridgestone.or others.
>
> Indeed, sometimes these owners even trade in OEM Michelins for other
> Michelins, OEM Bridgestones for other Bridgestones, etc. They know that,
> even if they like the manufacturer, and know they want that brand of tires,
> they will not want the originals put on their cars, as they are not all that
> great.
>
> Overall, this tire store owner is of the opinion that Michelins are one
> thing consistently - expensive. There are some good ones (and a very good
> one available through Sam's Club, BJ's and Costco) if you have the money,
> and it meets your particular specs [the XG350L does not]. But none of the
> good ones are OEM's. Tire sites that test tires will bear this out, that
> there is nothing special about Michelin OEM's, and the OEM on the XG350L is
> no exception.
>
> Tom Wenndt
>
>
> "kjr" <kjr107@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news6pts1pj1hhe3hbtvqgi8pi3rilph579cc@4ax.com...
>> Stick with the OEM Michelin brand. Best tire all around.
>>
>> On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:42:34 -0600, "DanK"
>> <danielgk_NOSPAM@voomtech.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Its about that time again.
>>> The XG350 comes with p205/60R16 which can be hard to find.
>>> I've heard p205/55R16 will fit and only be noticible because the
>>> speedometer
>>> will read 3mph slow at 60 mph.
>>> I'm looking for a long life, quiet tire that has good traction on snow and
>>> ice.
>>> Will probably go with a Brigstone Turanza unless someone has a better
>>> suggestion.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>
>
I have to agree with the Rev.. My '97 Tiburon came with Michelin's on
it. They seemed to be great for about the first half of the tread. But
after that point, even in a moderate rainfall, they began hydroplaning
seriously at 35 mph. I changed these tires out for some relatively
inexpensive Falkens and noted a vast improvement in handling. Even when
those tires were virtually worn out, they did not hydroplane like the
Michelin's did. My mileage did not suffer with the replacements. I have
found that after several sets of tires (my Tiburon has over 257,000
miles on it), nothing has been as bad as the original Michelin's.

Eric G.

Dan <dan@notgoingtotell.net> wrote in
news:q7Rzf.25844$v05.22078@tornado.texas.rr.com:

> Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
>> Sorry, but I cannot agree with this opinion. Having worked with
>> these OEM tires, and many others, OEM Michelin's have been MUCH more
>> hype than quality, and this is no exception.
>>
>> Part of the problem is what car manufacturers must look for when they
>> order specs for tires for their cars. The government regulations
>> force them to put WAY too much emphasis on fuel economy, vs. other
>> factors of tire performance.
>>
>> This means that OEM tires, when stacked against virtually ANY other
>> quality competitor, will invariably come up short in a lot of ways,
>> because these other tires don't have to be bound by what has to be in
>> a new car.
>>
>> While we are not talking about the same tire, a good example is a
>> popular OEM tire, and a popular replacement when cars are traded in
>> and need different tires, the Goodyear Eagle LS. It is a wonderfully
>> quiet tire, and will get you as good a fuel mileage as any tire out
>> there. But the Eagle LS radials have the longest stopping distances
>> in the industry, bar none. Virtually any other OEM tire has similar
>> or other weaknesses.
>>
>> I am yet to see any OEM tire that was SO good that it would be a
>> better choice than some of the others out there that are sold.
>> Indeed, one of my best friends, who owns a tire store, continues to
>> make a lot of money on "take-off's," original equipment tires that
>> are replaced by their owners almost immediately with something
>> better. New car owners know what these OEM tires are (and are not)
>> made of, and get into something that will indeed serve them better.
>>
>> Okay, fuel mileage may suffer a bit with any of them, but in a
>> hundred other different means of measuring a good tire, these
>> "after-market" tires run rings around OEM's, even if the originals
>> have brand names like Michelin, Goodyear, Bridgestone.or others.
>>
>> Indeed, sometimes these owners even trade in OEM Michelins for other
>> Michelins, OEM Bridgestones for other Bridgestones, etc. They know
>> that, even if they like the manufacturer, and know they want that
>> brand of tires, they will not want the originals put on their cars,
>> as they are not all that great.
>>
>> Overall, this tire store owner is of the opinion that Michelins are
>> one thing consistently - expensive. There are some good ones (and a
>> very good one available through Sam's Club, BJ's and Costco) if you
>> have the money, and it meets your particular specs [the XG350L does
>> not]. But none of the good ones are OEM's. Tire sites that test
>> tires will bear this out, that there is nothing special about
>> Michelin OEM's, and the OEM on the XG350L is no exception.
>>
>> Tom Wenndt
>>
>>
>> "kjr" <kjr107@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news6pts1pj1hhe3hbtvqgi8pi3rilph579cc@4ax.com...
>>> Stick with the OEM Michelin brand. Best tire all around.
>>>
>>> On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:42:34 -0600, "DanK"
>>> <danielgk_NOSPAM@voomtech.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Its about that time again.
>>>> The XG350 comes with p205/60R16 which can be hard to find.
>>>> I've heard p205/55R16 will fit and only be noticible because the
>>>> speedometer
>>>> will read 3mph slow at 60 mph.
>>>> I'm looking for a long life, quiet tire that has good traction on
>>>> snow and ice.
>>>> Will probably go with a Brigstone Turanza unless someone has a
>>>> better suggestion.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>
>>
> I have to agree with the Rev.. My '97 Tiburon came with Michelin's
> on
> it. They seemed to be great for about the first half of the tread. But
> after that point, even in a moderate rainfall, they began hydroplaning
> seriously at 35 mph. I changed these tires out for some relatively
> inexpensive Falkens and noted a vast improvement in handling. Even
> when those tires were virtually worn out, they did not hydroplane like
> the Michelin's did. My mileage did not suffer with the replacements. I
> have found that after several sets of tires (my Tiburon has over
> 257,000 miles on it), nothing has been as bad as the original
> Michelin's.


I have to agree with both you and Tom. My Michelin's were OK to begin
with. At about 1/2 life, I might as well have been driving on slicks.
And I mean only the bad part of slicks. You know, hydroplaning. No
benefit in the dry as slicks usually give you.

They cost double the price and get half the life. I guess that makes
them 4 times as expensive as many other tires.

On my Elantra(s) at least, I never noticed a decrease in mileage from
switching to the BF Goodrich that I did.

We'll see on the Sonata when the tread wears out on it.

Eric G.

Dan <dan@notgoingtotell.net> wrote in
news:q7Rzf.25844$v05.22078@tornado.texas.rr.com:

> Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
>> Sorry, but I cannot agree with this opinion. Having worked with
>> these OEM tires, and many others, OEM Michelin's have been MUCH more
>> hype than quality, and this is no exception.
>>
>> Part of the problem is what car manufacturers must look for when they
>> order specs for tires for their cars. The government regulations
>> force them to put WAY too much emphasis on fuel economy, vs. other
>> factors of tire performance.
>>
>> This means that OEM tires, when stacked against virtually ANY other
>> quality competitor, will invariably come up short in a lot of ways,
>> because these other tires don't have to be bound by what has to be in
>> a new car.
>>
>> While we are not talking about the same tire, a good example is a
>> popular OEM tire, and a popular replacement when cars are traded in
>> and need different tires, the Goodyear Eagle LS. It is a wonderfully
>> quiet tire, and will get you as good a fuel mileage as any tire out
>> there. But the Eagle LS radials have the longest stopping distances
>> in the industry, bar none. Virtually any other OEM tire has similar
>> or other weaknesses.
>>
>> I am yet to see any OEM tire that was SO good that it would be a
>> better choice than some of the others out there that are sold.
>> Indeed, one of my best friends, who owns a tire store, continues to
>> make a lot of money on "take-off's," original equipment tires that
>> are replaced by their owners almost immediately with something
>> better. New car owners know what these OEM tires are (and are not)
>> made of, and get into something that will indeed serve them better.
>>
>> Okay, fuel mileage may suffer a bit with any of them, but in a
>> hundred other different means of measuring a good tire, these
>> "after-market" tires run rings around OEM's, even if the originals
>> have brand names like Michelin, Goodyear, Bridgestone.or others.
>>
>> Indeed, sometimes these owners even trade in OEM Michelins for other
>> Michelins, OEM Bridgestones for other Bridgestones, etc. They know
>> that, even if they like the manufacturer, and know they want that
>> brand of tires, they will not want the originals put on their cars,
>> as they are not all that great.
>>
>> Overall, this tire store owner is of the opinion that Michelins are
>> one thing consistently - expensive. There are some good ones (and a
>> very good one available through Sam's Club, BJ's and Costco) if you
>> have the money, and it meets your particular specs [the XG350L does
>> not]. But none of the good ones are OEM's. Tire sites that test
>> tires will bear this out, that there is nothing special about
>> Michelin OEM's, and the OEM on the XG350L is no exception.
>>
>> Tom Wenndt
>>
>>
>> "kjr" <kjr107@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news6pts1pj1hhe3hbtvqgi8pi3rilph579cc@4ax.com...
>>> Stick with the OEM Michelin brand. Best tire all around.
>>>
>>> On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:42:34 -0600, "DanK"
>>> <danielgk_NOSPAM@voomtech.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Its about that time again.
>>>> The XG350 comes with p205/60R16 which can be hard to find.
>>>> I've heard p205/55R16 will fit and only be noticible because the
>>>> speedometer
>>>> will read 3mph slow at 60 mph.
>>>> I'm looking for a long life, quiet tire that has good traction on
>>>> snow and ice.
>>>> Will probably go with a Brigstone Turanza unless someone has a
>>>> better suggestion.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>
>>
> I have to agree with the Rev.. My '97 Tiburon came with Michelin's
> on
> it. They seemed to be great for about the first half of the tread. But
> after that point, even in a moderate rainfall, they began hydroplaning
> seriously at 35 mph. I changed these tires out for some relatively
> inexpensive Falkens and noted a vast improvement in handling. Even
> when those tires were virtually worn out, they did not hydroplane like
> the Michelin's did. My mileage did not suffer with the replacements. I
> have found that after several sets of tires (my Tiburon has over
> 257,000 miles on it), nothing has been as bad as the original
> Michelin's.


I have to agree with both you and Tom. My Michelin's were OK to begin
with. At about 1/2 life, I might as well have been driving on slicks.
And I mean only the bad part of slicks. You know, hydroplaning. No
benefit in the dry as slicks usually give you.

They cost double the price and get half the life. I guess that makes
them 4 times as expensive as many other tires.

On my Elantra(s) at least, I never noticed a decrease in mileage from
switching to the BF Goodrich that I did.

We'll see on the Sonata when the tread wears out on it.

jc

In article <dqokqb1uds@enews1.newsguy.com>, Rev. Tom Wenndt
<trwenndt@grics.net> wrote:

> Sorry, but I cannot agree with this opinion. Having worked with these OEM
> tires, and many others, OEM Michelin's have been MUCH more hype than
> quality, and this is no exception.

I must agree. The Michelin MXV4s that came on my wife's '01 Elantra
were useless in the wet or snow after 15k miles. After doing a bit of
online research, we had a set of Kumho ECSTA HP4 714s (what a name!)
installed and the improvement in handling, ride, road noise, and wet
performance was staggering. They're better in the snow, too, but not
as good as snow tires.

Also, the price of the Kumhos as well as mounting and high speed
balancing came to significantly less money than buying a set of MXV4s
alone.

John

--
toneguru_uk at yahoo dot com

jc

In article <dqokqb1uds@enews1.newsguy.com>, Rev. Tom Wenndt
<trwenndt@grics.net> wrote:

> Sorry, but I cannot agree with this opinion. Having worked with these OEM
> tires, and many others, OEM Michelin's have been MUCH more hype than
> quality, and this is no exception.

I must agree. The Michelin MXV4s that came on my wife's '01 Elantra
were useless in the wet or snow after 15k miles. After doing a bit of
online research, we had a set of Kumho ECSTA HP4 714s (what a name!)
installed and the improvement in handling, ride, road noise, and wet
performance was staggering. They're better in the snow, too, but not
as good as snow tires.

Also, the price of the Kumhos as well as mounting and high speed
balancing came to significantly less money than buying a set of MXV4s
alone.

John

--
toneguru_uk at yahoo dot com

Jody

nokian nrw
"j" <ahisteak@fea.net> wrote in message
news:11uboc9omei8r2e@corp.supernews.com...
>
>
> hey all.my 2002 xg350 is fine vehicle.i installed " Bridgestone hp50
> p205/60/16 91h tires" on MB Motoring 16 x 8 chrome wheels, they have a
> must
> wider tread contact to the road and handle great.
> "DanK" <danielgk_NOSPAM@voomtech.com> wrote in message
> news:AK2dnVyiuNQmplDeRVn-vQ@comcast.com...
>> Its about that time again.
>> The XG350 comes with p205/60R16 which can be hard to find.
>> I've heard p205/55R16 will fit and only be noticible because the
> speedometer
>> will read 3mph slow at 60 mph.
>> I'm looking for a long life, quiet tire that has good traction on snow
>> and
>> ice.
>> Will probably go with a Brigstone Turanza unless someone has a better
>> suggestion.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>
>

Jody

nokian nrw
"j" <ahisteak@fea.net> wrote in message
news:11uboc9omei8r2e@corp.supernews.com...
>
>
> hey all.my 2002 xg350 is fine vehicle.i installed " Bridgestone hp50
> p205/60/16 91h tires" on MB Motoring 16 x 8 chrome wheels, they have a
> must
> wider tread contact to the road and handle great.
> "DanK" <danielgk_NOSPAM@voomtech.com> wrote in message
> news:AK2dnVyiuNQmplDeRVn-vQ@comcast.com...
>> Its about that time again.
>> The XG350 comes with p205/60R16 which can be hard to find.
>> I've heard p205/55R16 will fit and only be noticible because the
> speedometer
>> will read 3mph slow at 60 mph.
>> I'm looking for a long life, quiet tire that has good traction on snow
>> and
>> ice.
>> Will probably go with a Brigstone Turanza unless someone has a better
>> suggestion.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>
>

Jody

nokian nrw
"j" <ahisteak@fea.net> wrote in message
news:11uboc9omei8r2e@corp.supernews.com...
>
>
> hey all.my 2002 xg350 is fine vehicle.i installed " Bridgestone hp50
> p205/60/16 91h tires" on MB Motoring 16 x 8 chrome wheels, they have a
> must
> wider tread contact to the road and handle great.
> "DanK" <danielgk_NOSPAM@voomtech.com> wrote in message
> news:AK2dnVyiuNQmplDeRVn-vQ@comcast.com...
>> Its about that time again.
>> The XG350 comes with p205/60R16 which can be hard to find.
>> I've heard p205/55R16 will fit and only be noticible because the
> speedometer
>> will read 3mph slow at 60 mph.
>> I'm looking for a long life, quiet tire that has good traction on snow
>> and
>> ice.
>> Will probably go with a Brigstone Turanza unless someone has a better
>> suggestion.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>
>

j

hey all.my 2002 xg350 is fine vehicle.i installed " Bridgestone hp50
p205/60/16 91h tires" on MB Motoring 16 x 8 chrome wheels, they have a must
wider tread contact to the road and handle great.
"DanK" <danielgk_NOSPAM@voomtech.com> wrote in message
news:AK2dnVyiuNQmplDeRVn-vQ@comcast.com...
> Its about that time again.
> The XG350 comes with p205/60R16 which can be hard to find.
> I've heard p205/55R16 will fit and only be noticible because the
speedometer
> will read 3mph slow at 60 mph.
> I'm looking for a long life, quiet tire that has good traction on snow and
> ice.
> Will probably go with a Brigstone Turanza unless someone has a better
> suggestion.
>
> Thanks
>
>

j

hey all.my 2002 xg350 is fine vehicle.i installed " Bridgestone hp50
p205/60/16 91h tires" on MB Motoring 16 x 8 chrome wheels, they have a must
wider tread contact to the road and handle great.
"DanK" <danielgk_NOSPAM@voomtech.com> wrote in message
news:AK2dnVyiuNQmplDeRVn-vQ@comcast.com...
> Its about that time again.
> The XG350 comes with p205/60R16 which can be hard to find.
> I've heard p205/55R16 will fit and only be noticible because the
speedometer
> will read 3mph slow at 60 mph.
> I'm looking for a long life, quiet tire that has good traction on snow and
> ice.
> Will probably go with a Brigstone Turanza unless someone has a better
> suggestion.
>
> Thanks
>
>

j

hey all.my 2002 xg350 is fine vehicle.i installed " Bridgestone hp50
p205/60/16 91h tires" on MB Motoring 16 x 8 chrome wheels, they have a must
wider tread contact to the road and handle great.
"DanK" <danielgk_NOSPAM@voomtech.com> wrote in message
news:AK2dnVyiuNQmplDeRVn-vQ@comcast.com...
> Its about that time again.
> The XG350 comes with p205/60R16 which can be hard to find.
> I've heard p205/55R16 will fit and only be noticible because the
speedometer
> will read 3mph slow at 60 mph.
> I'm looking for a long life, quiet tire that has good traction on snow and
> ice.
> Will probably go with a Brigstone Turanza unless someone has a better
> suggestion.
>
> Thanks
>
>