torque wrenches
05-17-2007, 05:29 AM
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torque wrenches
Dude where do you get your info. Costco doesn't torque tires? They
install the lugs with a torque limited impact gun (limited to about 50
foot-lbs) so they don't overtighten them. THEN they torque them to
manufact spec WITH TORQUE WRENCHES that the calibration is checked
MONTHLY. I can't speak for WalMart or any other outlets but get your
info straight before you your "wisdom".
install the lugs with a torque limited impact gun (limited to about 50
foot-lbs) so they don't overtighten them. THEN they torque them to
manufact spec WITH TORQUE WRENCHES that the calibration is checked
MONTHLY. I can't speak for WalMart or any other outlets but get your
info straight before you your "wisdom".
05-17-2007, 05:40 PM
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Re: torque wrenches
Oz wrote:
> Dude where do you get your info. Costco doesn't torque tires? They
> install the lugs with a torque limited impact gun (limited to about 50
> foot-lbs) so they don't overtighten them. THEN they torque them to
> manufact spec WITH TORQUE WRENCHES that the calibration is checked
> MONTHLY. I can't speak for WalMart or any other outlets but get your
> info straight before you your "wisdom".
And what is the source of your wisdom?
Matt
> Dude where do you get your info. Costco doesn't torque tires? They
> install the lugs with a torque limited impact gun (limited to about 50
> foot-lbs) so they don't overtighten them. THEN they torque them to
> manufact spec WITH TORQUE WRENCHES that the calibration is checked
> MONTHLY. I can't speak for WalMart or any other outlets but get your
> info straight before you your "wisdom".
And what is the source of your wisdom?
Matt
05-17-2007, 07:33 PM
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Re: torque wrenches
Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in news:nZ33i.9938$Oc.235994
@news1.epix.net:
> Oz wrote:
>> Dude where do you get your info. Costco doesn't torque tires? They
>> install the lugs with a torque limited impact gun (limited to about 50
>> foot-lbs) so they don't overtighten them. THEN they torque them to
>> manufact spec WITH TORQUE WRENCHES that the calibration is checked
>> MONTHLY. I can't speak for WalMart or any other outlets but get your
>> info straight before you your "wisdom".
>
> And what is the source of your wisdom?
>
> Matt
>
He stayed at a Holiday Inn Express :-)
Eric
@news1.epix.net:
> Oz wrote:
>> Dude where do you get your info. Costco doesn't torque tires? They
>> install the lugs with a torque limited impact gun (limited to about 50
>> foot-lbs) so they don't overtighten them. THEN they torque them to
>> manufact spec WITH TORQUE WRENCHES that the calibration is checked
>> MONTHLY. I can't speak for WalMart or any other outlets but get your
>> info straight before you your "wisdom".
>
> And what is the source of your wisdom?
>
> Matt
>
He stayed at a Holiday Inn Express :-)
Eric
05-17-2007, 07:51 PM
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Re: torque wrenches
Matt Whiting wrote:
> Oz wrote:
>> Dude where do you get your info. Costco doesn't torque tires? They
>> install the lugs with a torque limited impact gun (limited to about 50
>> foot-lbs) so they don't overtighten them. THEN they torque them to
>> manufact spec WITH TORQUE WRENCHES that the calibration is checked
>> MONTHLY. I can't speak for WalMart or any other outlets but get your
>> info straight before you your "wisdom".
>
> And what is the source of your wisdom?
And you know that EVERY mechanic at EVERY Costco does this? Have you
checked this out personally?
Why do I get the impression that this "Oz" character is just "Shaman"
reincarnated?
> Oz wrote:
>> Dude where do you get your info. Costco doesn't torque tires? They
>> install the lugs with a torque limited impact gun (limited to about 50
>> foot-lbs) so they don't overtighten them. THEN they torque them to
>> manufact spec WITH TORQUE WRENCHES that the calibration is checked
>> MONTHLY. I can't speak for WalMart or any other outlets but get your
>> info straight before you your "wisdom".
>
> And what is the source of your wisdom?
And you know that EVERY mechanic at EVERY Costco does this? Have you
checked this out personally?
Why do I get the impression that this "Oz" character is just "Shaman"
reincarnated?
05-17-2007, 07:54 PM
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Re: torque wrenches
Eric G. wrote:
> Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in news:nZ33i.9938$Oc.235994
> @news1.epix.net:
>
>> Oz wrote:
>>> Dude where do you get your info. Costco doesn't torque tires? They
>>> install the lugs with a torque limited impact gun (limited to about 50
>>> foot-lbs) so they don't overtighten them. THEN they torque them to
>>> manufact spec WITH TORQUE WRENCHES that the calibration is checked
>>> MONTHLY. I can't speak for WalMart or any other outlets but get your
>>> info straight before you your "wisdom".
>> And what is the source of your wisdom?
>>
>> Matt
>>
>
> He stayed at a Holiday Inn Express :-)
LOL! Good one!
Matt
> Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in news:nZ33i.9938$Oc.235994
> @news1.epix.net:
>
>> Oz wrote:
>>> Dude where do you get your info. Costco doesn't torque tires? They
>>> install the lugs with a torque limited impact gun (limited to about 50
>>> foot-lbs) so they don't overtighten them. THEN they torque them to
>>> manufact spec WITH TORQUE WRENCHES that the calibration is checked
>>> MONTHLY. I can't speak for WalMart or any other outlets but get your
>>> info straight before you your "wisdom".
>> And what is the source of your wisdom?
>>
>> Matt
>>
>
> He stayed at a Holiday Inn Express :-)
LOL! Good one!
Matt
05-18-2007, 08:16 AM
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Re: torque wrenches
"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
uU53i.17943$He1.11133@trndny04...
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>> Oz wrote:
>>> Dude where do you get your info. Costco doesn't torque tires? They
>>> install the lugs with a torque limited impact gun (limited to about 50
>>> foot-lbs) so they don't overtighten them. THEN they torque them to
>>> manufact spec WITH TORQUE WRENCHES that the calibration is checked
>>> MONTHLY. I can't speak for WalMart or any other outlets but get your
>>> info straight before you your "wisdom".
>>
>> And what is the source of your wisdom?
>
> And you know that EVERY mechanic at EVERY Costco does this? Have you
> checked this out personally?
>
> Why do I get the impression that this "Oz" character is just "Shaman"
> reincarnated?
I don't need multiple identities on the net, Shaman is the one and only nick
name I use.
Now, you can believe me or not.
I think that Oz is a troll more than anything. Re-post and answering old
thread...
But He is right on this one, at least for my Costco shop. They use a torque
impact tool, then after they torque the nuts at 80 Lbs by hand with a torque
wrench. Seen it with my eyes. Open.
And you, Brian, are you a reincarnation of something?
Shaman
05-18-2007, 05:02 PM
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Re: torque wrenches
Shaman wrote:
> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
> uU53i.17943$He1.11133@trndny04...
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>> Oz wrote:
>>>> Dude where do you get your info. Costco doesn't torque tires? They
>>>> install the lugs with a torque limited impact gun (limited to about 50
>>>> foot-lbs) so they don't overtighten them. THEN they torque them to
>>>> manufact spec WITH TORQUE WRENCHES that the calibration is checked
>>>> MONTHLY. I can't speak for WalMart or any other outlets but get your
>>>> info straight before you your "wisdom".
>>> And what is the source of your wisdom?
>> And you know that EVERY mechanic at EVERY Costco does this? Have you
>> checked this out personally?
>>
>> Why do I get the impression that this "Oz" character is just "Shaman"
>> reincarnated?
>
> I don't need multiple identities on the net, Shaman is the one and only nick
> name I use.
>
> Now, you can believe me or not.
>
> I think that Oz is a troll more than anything. Re-post and answering old
> thread...
>
> But He is right on this one, at least for my Costco shop. They use a torque
> impact tool, then after they torque the nuts at 80 Lbs by hand with a torque
> wrench. Seen it with my eyes. Open.
I would want to be sure that they are actually stopping below the proper
torque with the impact wrench. The very nature of the way an impact
wrench works makes them prone to overtightening. Torque on fasteners is
based on both the stretch of the bolt/stud and the friction between the
stud and the nut. An impact operated tool effectively removes the
friction force and thus it is very easy to get a torque that is too
high. I don't have exact figures or know where to find them right
off-hand, but I do know that an impact wrench set to 50 lb-ft will
tighten a nut much more than will a manual torque wrench also set to 50
lb-ft.
Each impact cycle of the impact wrench is exerting much more force than
is a smoothly applied force. If you don't believe me, just look at any
structural dynamics text book. Typically, an impact from a force of a
certain magnitude is considered to provide approximately twice the
affect initially as provided by that same force applied slowly and
smoothly. Most building codes also build in this 2X factor so that is
another source.
So, I would not at all be surprised that an impact wrench set at 50
lb-ft would torque a lug nut as tightly as would a manual torque wrench
set at 100 lb-ft.
The bottom line is that an impact wrench should be used only to remove
fasteners, never to install them.
Matt
> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
> uU53i.17943$He1.11133@trndny04...
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>> Oz wrote:
>>>> Dude where do you get your info. Costco doesn't torque tires? They
>>>> install the lugs with a torque limited impact gun (limited to about 50
>>>> foot-lbs) so they don't overtighten them. THEN they torque them to
>>>> manufact spec WITH TORQUE WRENCHES that the calibration is checked
>>>> MONTHLY. I can't speak for WalMart or any other outlets but get your
>>>> info straight before you your "wisdom".
>>> And what is the source of your wisdom?
>> And you know that EVERY mechanic at EVERY Costco does this? Have you
>> checked this out personally?
>>
>> Why do I get the impression that this "Oz" character is just "Shaman"
>> reincarnated?
>
> I don't need multiple identities on the net, Shaman is the one and only nick
> name I use.
>
> Now, you can believe me or not.
>
> I think that Oz is a troll more than anything. Re-post and answering old
> thread...
>
> But He is right on this one, at least for my Costco shop. They use a torque
> impact tool, then after they torque the nuts at 80 Lbs by hand with a torque
> wrench. Seen it with my eyes. Open.
I would want to be sure that they are actually stopping below the proper
torque with the impact wrench. The very nature of the way an impact
wrench works makes them prone to overtightening. Torque on fasteners is
based on both the stretch of the bolt/stud and the friction between the
stud and the nut. An impact operated tool effectively removes the
friction force and thus it is very easy to get a torque that is too
high. I don't have exact figures or know where to find them right
off-hand, but I do know that an impact wrench set to 50 lb-ft will
tighten a nut much more than will a manual torque wrench also set to 50
lb-ft.
Each impact cycle of the impact wrench is exerting much more force than
is a smoothly applied force. If you don't believe me, just look at any
structural dynamics text book. Typically, an impact from a force of a
certain magnitude is considered to provide approximately twice the
affect initially as provided by that same force applied slowly and
smoothly. Most building codes also build in this 2X factor so that is
another source.
So, I would not at all be surprised that an impact wrench set at 50
lb-ft would torque a lug nut as tightly as would a manual torque wrench
set at 100 lb-ft.
The bottom line is that an impact wrench should be used only to remove
fasteners, never to install them.
Matt
05-18-2007, 07:27 PM
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Re: torque wrenches
Shaman wrote:
> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
> uU53i.17943$He1.11133@trndny04...
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>> Oz wrote:
>>>> Dude where do you get your info. Costco doesn't torque tires? They
>>>> install the lugs with a torque limited impact gun (limited to about 50
>>>> foot-lbs) so they don't overtighten them. THEN they torque them to
>>>> manufact spec WITH TORQUE WRENCHES that the calibration is checked
>>>> MONTHLY. I can't speak for WalMart or any other outlets but get your
>>>> info straight before you your "wisdom".
>>> And what is the source of your wisdom?
>> And you know that EVERY mechanic at EVERY Costco does this? Have you
>> checked this out personally?
>>
>> Why do I get the impression that this "Oz" character is just "Shaman"
>> reincarnated?
>
> I don't need multiple identities on the net, Shaman is the one and only nick
> name I use.
>
> Now, you can believe me or not.
>
> I think that Oz is a troll more than anything. Re-post and answering old
> thread...
No argument there.
> But He is right on this one, at least for my Costco shop. They use a torque
> impact tool, then after they torque the nuts at 80 Lbs by hand with a torque
> wrench. Seen it with my eyes. Open.
That's fine by me.
> And you, Brian, are you a reincarnation of something?
I've been here for a while, you're the newbie. Also unlike you, I don't
hide behind some silly pseudonym. For better or worse, I at least have
the guts to put my name on what I write.
> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
> uU53i.17943$He1.11133@trndny04...
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>> Oz wrote:
>>>> Dude where do you get your info. Costco doesn't torque tires? They
>>>> install the lugs with a torque limited impact gun (limited to about 50
>>>> foot-lbs) so they don't overtighten them. THEN they torque them to
>>>> manufact spec WITH TORQUE WRENCHES that the calibration is checked
>>>> MONTHLY. I can't speak for WalMart or any other outlets but get your
>>>> info straight before you your "wisdom".
>>> And what is the source of your wisdom?
>> And you know that EVERY mechanic at EVERY Costco does this? Have you
>> checked this out personally?
>>
>> Why do I get the impression that this "Oz" character is just "Shaman"
>> reincarnated?
>
> I don't need multiple identities on the net, Shaman is the one and only nick
> name I use.
>
> Now, you can believe me or not.
>
> I think that Oz is a troll more than anything. Re-post and answering old
> thread...
No argument there.
> But He is right on this one, at least for my Costco shop. They use a torque
> impact tool, then after they torque the nuts at 80 Lbs by hand with a torque
> wrench. Seen it with my eyes. Open.
That's fine by me.
> And you, Brian, are you a reincarnation of something?
I've been here for a while, you're the newbie. Also unlike you, I don't
hide behind some silly pseudonym. For better or worse, I at least have
the guts to put my name on what I write.
05-19-2007, 12:48 PM
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Re: torque wrenches
"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
ODq3i.1579$aj.515@trndny06...
> Shaman wrote:
>> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> a écrit dans le message de
>> news: uU53i.17943$He1.11133@trndny04...
>>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>>> Oz wrote:
>>>>> Dude where do you get your info. Costco doesn't torque tires? They
>>>>> install the lugs with a torque limited impact gun (limited to about 50
>>>>> foot-lbs) so they don't overtighten them. THEN they torque them to
>>>>> manufact spec WITH TORQUE WRENCHES that the calibration is checked
>>>>> MONTHLY. I can't speak for WalMart or any other outlets but get your
>>>>> info straight before you your "wisdom".
>>>> And what is the source of your wisdom?
>>> And you know that EVERY mechanic at EVERY Costco does this? Have you
>>> checked this out personally?
>>>
>>> Why do I get the impression that this "Oz" character is just "Shaman"
>>> reincarnated?
>>
>> I don't need multiple identities on the net, Shaman is the one and only
>> nick name I use.
>>
>> Now, you can believe me or not.
>>
>> I think that Oz is a troll more than anything. Re-post and answering old
>> thread...
>
> No argument there.
>
>> But He is right on this one, at least for my Costco shop. They use a
>> torque impact tool, then after they torque the nuts at 80 Lbs by hand
>> with a torque wrench. Seen it with my eyes. Open.
>
> That's fine by me.
>
>> And you, Brian, are you a reincarnation of something?
>
> I've been here for a while, you're the newbie. Also unlike you, I don't
> hide behind some silly pseudonym. For better or worse, I at least have the
> guts to put my name on what I write.
So what's the point to compare me with that "Oz" guy? Even if I put my real
name, with my street adress and phone #, that doesn't tell if I am Oz or
not. Maybe you are Oz, and I just don't give it a f**k
Shaman
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