Bob

I noticed in the manual for my '06 Sonata that the transmission is only
supposed to be fed some sort of proprietary SP III fluid. I was at the
dealer today for a headlight issue. While wandering around, I noticed that
they had boxes - kind of like those wine boxes - of transmission fluid. The
box said "BG Universal Synthetic ATF" part number 3123. I asked, and was
told that that fluid is what is used by them in the new Hyundai
transmissions. That said, I guess the requirement for the $8.00 a quart
specially blessed fluid is non-existent. After all, what would be so
different about one brand of synthetic fluid, and another?

Victor A. Garcia

Hint:
Look at your local AutoParts store for: ATF-3, or ATF-3plus, it's available
at normal prices.
It's also used in Misutbishi and Crysler trams.

DO NOT use Mercrom-III or Dextron-III, not compatible at all.

"Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:CMntf.32127$wq.2817@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
>I noticed in the manual for my '06 Sonata that the transmission is only
>supposed to be fed some sort of proprietary SP III fluid. I was at the
>dealer today for a headlight issue. While wandering around, I noticed that
>they had boxes - kind of like those wine boxes - of transmission fluid. The
>box said "BG Universal Synthetic ATF" part number 3123. I asked, and was
>told that that fluid is what is used by them in the new Hyundai
>transmissions. That said, I guess the requirement for the $8.00 a quart
>specially blessed fluid is non-existent. After all, what would be so
>different about one brand of synthetic fluid, and another?
>

Victor A. Garcia

Hint:
Look at your local AutoParts store for: ATF-3, or ATF-3plus, it's available
at normal prices.
It's also used in Misutbishi and Crysler trams.

DO NOT use Mercrom-III or Dextron-III, not compatible at all.

"Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:CMntf.32127$wq.2817@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
>I noticed in the manual for my '06 Sonata that the transmission is only
>supposed to be fed some sort of proprietary SP III fluid. I was at the
>dealer today for a headlight issue. While wandering around, I noticed that
>they had boxes - kind of like those wine boxes - of transmission fluid. The
>box said "BG Universal Synthetic ATF" part number 3123. I asked, and was
>told that that fluid is what is used by them in the new Hyundai
>transmissions. That said, I guess the requirement for the $8.00 a quart
>specially blessed fluid is non-existent. After all, what would be so
>different about one brand of synthetic fluid, and another?
>

Larry

so are you saying the in hyundia's you can use chrysler fluid atf+3 which is
the same as the older chryslers fluid 7136 and the atf+4 which is used in
the
2000+ chryslers In hyundia's products which call for sp111 fluid
----- Original Message -----
From: "Victor A. Garcia" <vgarcia1@tampabay.rr.com>
Newsgroups: alt.autos.hyundai
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: Transmission fluid in Hyundais


> Hint:
> Look at your local AutoParts store for: ATF-3, or ATF-3plus, it's
> available at normal prices.
> It's also used in Misutbishi and Crysler trams.
>
> DO NOT use Mercrom-III or Dextron-III, not compatible at all.
>
> "Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:CMntf.32127$wq.2817@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
>>I noticed in the manual for my '06 Sonata that the transmission is only
>>supposed to be fed some sort of proprietary SP III fluid. I was at the
>>dealer today for a headlight issue. While wandering around, I noticed that
>>they had boxes - kind of like those wine boxes - of transmission fluid.
>>The box said "BG Universal Synthetic ATF" part number 3123. I asked, and
>>was told that that fluid is what is used by them in the new Hyundai
>>transmissions. That said, I guess the requirement for the $8.00 a quart
>>specially blessed fluid is non-existent. After all, what would be so
>>different about one brand of synthetic fluid, and another?
>>
>
>

"Victor A. Garcia" <vgarcia1@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:ejrtf.56939$8d.41171@tornado.tampabay.rr.com. ..
> Hint:
> Look at your local AutoParts store for: ATF-3, or ATF-3plus, it's
> available at normal prices.
> It's also used in Misutbishi and Crysler trams.
>
> DO NOT use Mercrom-III or Dextron-III, not compatible at all.
>
> "Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:CMntf.32127$wq.2817@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
>>I noticed in the manual for my '06 Sonata that the transmission is only
>>supposed to be fed some sort of proprietary SP III fluid. I was at the
>>dealer today for a headlight issue. While wandering around, I noticed that
>>they had boxes - kind of like those wine boxes - of transmission fluid.
>>The box said "BG Universal Synthetic ATF" part number 3123. I asked, and
>>was told that that fluid is what is used by them in the new Hyundai
>>transmissions. That said, I guess the requirement for the $8.00 a quart
>>specially blessed fluid is non-existent. After all, what would be so
>>different about one brand of synthetic fluid, and another?
>>
>
>

Larry

so are you saying the in hyundia's you can use chrysler fluid atf+3 which is
the same as the older chryslers fluid 7136 and the atf+4 which is used in
the
2000+ chryslers In hyundia's products which call for sp111 fluid
----- Original Message -----
From: "Victor A. Garcia" <vgarcia1@tampabay.rr.com>
Newsgroups: alt.autos.hyundai
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: Transmission fluid in Hyundais


> Hint:
> Look at your local AutoParts store for: ATF-3, or ATF-3plus, it's
> available at normal prices.
> It's also used in Misutbishi and Crysler trams.
>
> DO NOT use Mercrom-III or Dextron-III, not compatible at all.
>
> "Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:CMntf.32127$wq.2817@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
>>I noticed in the manual for my '06 Sonata that the transmission is only
>>supposed to be fed some sort of proprietary SP III fluid. I was at the
>>dealer today for a headlight issue. While wandering around, I noticed that
>>they had boxes - kind of like those wine boxes - of transmission fluid.
>>The box said "BG Universal Synthetic ATF" part number 3123. I asked, and
>>was told that that fluid is what is used by them in the new Hyundai
>>transmissions. That said, I guess the requirement for the $8.00 a quart
>>specially blessed fluid is non-existent. After all, what would be so
>>different about one brand of synthetic fluid, and another?
>>
>
>

"Victor A. Garcia" <vgarcia1@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:ejrtf.56939$8d.41171@tornado.tampabay.rr.com. ..
> Hint:
> Look at your local AutoParts store for: ATF-3, or ATF-3plus, it's
> available at normal prices.
> It's also used in Misutbishi and Crysler trams.
>
> DO NOT use Mercrom-III or Dextron-III, not compatible at all.
>
> "Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:CMntf.32127$wq.2817@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
>>I noticed in the manual for my '06 Sonata that the transmission is only
>>supposed to be fed some sort of proprietary SP III fluid. I was at the
>>dealer today for a headlight issue. While wandering around, I noticed that
>>they had boxes - kind of like those wine boxes - of transmission fluid.
>>The box said "BG Universal Synthetic ATF" part number 3123. I asked, and
>>was told that that fluid is what is used by them in the new Hyundai
>>transmissions. That said, I guess the requirement for the $8.00 a quart
>>specially blessed fluid is non-existent. After all, what would be so
>>different about one brand of synthetic fluid, and another?
>>
>
>

cheese_toast

DO NOT use anything but SP ! You can void your warranty. Hyundai
transmissions are very sensitive to the wrong fluid. Check out
http://www.elantraclub.com/forum/ind...showtopic=2216 It should
help with understanding why you need to use SP3. Also, ATF+3 is not the
same thing.

Cheese Toast

Larry wrote:
> so are you saying the in hyundia's you can use chrysler fluid atf+3 which is
> the same as the older chryslers fluid 7136 and the atf+4 which is used in
> the
> 2000+ chryslers In hyundia's products which call for sp111 fluid
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Victor A. Garcia" <vgarcia1@tampabay.rr.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.autos.hyundai
> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 12:28 AM
> Subject: Re: Transmission fluid in Hyundais
>
>
> > Hint:
> > Look at your local AutoParts store for: ATF-3, or ATF-3plus, it's
> > available at normal prices.
> > It's also used in Misutbishi and Crysler trams.
> >
> > DO NOT use Mercrom-III or Dextron-III, not compatible at all.
> >
> > "Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:CMntf.32127$wq.2817@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
> >>I noticed in the manual for my '06 Sonata that the transmission is only
> >>supposed to be fed some sort of proprietary SP III fluid. I was at the
> >>dealer today for a headlight issue. While wandering around, I noticed that
> >>they had boxes - kind of like those wine boxes - of transmission fluid.
> >>The box said "BG Universal Synthetic ATF" part number 3123. I asked, and
> >>was told that that fluid is what is used by them in the new Hyundai
> >>transmissions. That said, I guess the requirement for the $8.00 a quart
> >>specially blessed fluid is non-existent. After all, what would be so
> >>different about one brand of synthetic fluid, and another?
> >>
> >
> >
>
> "Victor A. Garcia" <vgarcia1@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:ejrtf.56939$8d.41171@tornado.tampabay.rr.com. ..
> > Hint:
> > Look at your local AutoParts store for: ATF-3, or ATF-3plus, it's
> > available at normal prices.
> > It's also used in Misutbishi and Crysler trams.
> >
> > DO NOT use Mercrom-III or Dextron-III, not compatible at all.
> >
> > "Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:CMntf.32127$wq.2817@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
> >>I noticed in the manual for my '06 Sonata that the transmission is only
> >>supposed to be fed some sort of proprietary SP III fluid. I was at the
> >>dealer today for a headlight issue. While wandering around, I noticed that
> >>they had boxes - kind of like those wine boxes - of transmission fluid.
> >>The box said "BG Universal Synthetic ATF" part number 3123. I asked, and
> >>was told that that fluid is what is used by them in the new Hyundai
> >>transmissions. That said, I guess the requirement for the $8.00 a quart
> >>specially blessed fluid is non-existent. After all, what would be so
> >>different about one brand of synthetic fluid, and another?
> >>
> >
> >

cheese_toast

DO NOT use anything but SP ! You can void your warranty. Hyundai
transmissions are very sensitive to the wrong fluid. Check out
http://www.elantraclub.com/forum/ind...showtopic=2216 It should
help with understanding why you need to use SP3. Also, ATF+3 is not the
same thing.

Cheese Toast

Larry wrote:
> so are you saying the in hyundia's you can use chrysler fluid atf+3 which is
> the same as the older chryslers fluid 7136 and the atf+4 which is used in
> the
> 2000+ chryslers In hyundia's products which call for sp111 fluid
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Victor A. Garcia" <vgarcia1@tampabay.rr.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.autos.hyundai
> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 12:28 AM
> Subject: Re: Transmission fluid in Hyundais
>
>
> > Hint:
> > Look at your local AutoParts store for: ATF-3, or ATF-3plus, it's
> > available at normal prices.
> > It's also used in Misutbishi and Crysler trams.
> >
> > DO NOT use Mercrom-III or Dextron-III, not compatible at all.
> >
> > "Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:CMntf.32127$wq.2817@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
> >>I noticed in the manual for my '06 Sonata that the transmission is only
> >>supposed to be fed some sort of proprietary SP III fluid. I was at the
> >>dealer today for a headlight issue. While wandering around, I noticed that
> >>they had boxes - kind of like those wine boxes - of transmission fluid.
> >>The box said "BG Universal Synthetic ATF" part number 3123. I asked, and
> >>was told that that fluid is what is used by them in the new Hyundai
> >>transmissions. That said, I guess the requirement for the $8.00 a quart
> >>specially blessed fluid is non-existent. After all, what would be so
> >>different about one brand of synthetic fluid, and another?
> >>
> >
> >
>
> "Victor A. Garcia" <vgarcia1@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:ejrtf.56939$8d.41171@tornado.tampabay.rr.com. ..
> > Hint:
> > Look at your local AutoParts store for: ATF-3, or ATF-3plus, it's
> > available at normal prices.
> > It's also used in Misutbishi and Crysler trams.
> >
> > DO NOT use Mercrom-III or Dextron-III, not compatible at all.
> >
> > "Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:CMntf.32127$wq.2817@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
> >>I noticed in the manual for my '06 Sonata that the transmission is only
> >>supposed to be fed some sort of proprietary SP III fluid. I was at the
> >>dealer today for a headlight issue. While wandering around, I noticed that
> >>they had boxes - kind of like those wine boxes - of transmission fluid.
> >>The box said "BG Universal Synthetic ATF" part number 3123. I asked, and
> >>was told that that fluid is what is used by them in the new Hyundai
> >>transmissions. That said, I guess the requirement for the $8.00 a quart
> >>specially blessed fluid is non-existent. After all, what would be so
> >>different about one brand of synthetic fluid, and another?
> >>
> >
> >

Diarmud387@adelphia.net

New car, why take a chance on the warranty? Also from experience,
there is a difference between tranny fluids.

Stick with OEM stuff to keep the warranty good. It's like oil and
filters. There IS a difference.

Good luck.

Diarmud387@adelphia.net

New car, why take a chance on the warranty? Also from experience,
there is a difference between tranny fluids.

Stick with OEM stuff to keep the warranty good. It's like oil and
filters. There IS a difference.

Good luck.

Matt Whiting

Diarmud387@adelphia.net wrote:

> New car, why take a chance on the warranty? Also from experience,
> there is a difference between tranny fluids.
>
> Stick with OEM stuff to keep the warranty good. It's like oil and
> filters. There IS a difference.

You don't have to use OEM fluids or parts to maintain your warranty.
That is the law (I can't remember off-hand the name of the act that made
this law). However, you do have to use fluids and parts that meet the
specifications of the car maker. As long as you use oils, antifreeze,
etc., that meets the specs, then they can't deny you warranty coverage.


Matt

Matt Whiting

Diarmud387@adelphia.net wrote:

> New car, why take a chance on the warranty? Also from experience,
> there is a difference between tranny fluids.
>
> Stick with OEM stuff to keep the warranty good. It's like oil and
> filters. There IS a difference.

You don't have to use OEM fluids or parts to maintain your warranty.
That is the law (I can't remember off-hand the name of the act that made
this law). However, you do have to use fluids and parts that meet the
specifications of the car maker. As long as you use oils, antifreeze,
etc., that meets the specs, then they can't deny you warranty coverage.


Matt

Bob

<Diarmud387@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:1136217874.962789.306470@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
> New car, why take a chance on the warranty? Also from experience,
> there is a difference between tranny fluids.
>
> Stick with OEM stuff to keep the warranty good. It's like oil and
> filters. There IS a difference.
>
> Good luck.

Mine doesn't need any yet. I'm just looking forward to the point where I
will be changing it - part of it anyway. The point to me bringing this up is
the fact that the dealer - a Hyundai dealer - I bought the car from DOES NOT
use the SP III fluid when they do a transmission service. They use BG
universal synthetic fluid. I suppose if the tranny burns up under warranty,
they'll just point to the records saying that they did a fluid change at X
miles. No accountability as to what they changed it with.

As to the fluid turning brown quickly, I suspect it's partly due to the lack
of a filter, and the normal wear particles having nowhere to go except to
get suspended in the fluid. Actually, the transmission has a "filter", but
it's really just a very fine mesh screen. I do plan on adding an external
filter http://www.magnefine.com/ It can't hurt. Here's one that someone cut
open after 28,000 miles
http://www.v6performance.net/forums/...ad.php?t=60257

It also is not a requirement to flush the transmission.... From the manual:
REPLACEMENT
If you have a fluid changer, use this changer to replace the fluid. If you
do not, replace it using the following procedure.
1.. Disconnect the hose which connects the transmission and the oil cooler
which is within the radiator only in 2.4L engine(3.3L-the oil cooler is
separated).
2.. Start the engine and let the fluid drain out.
Running conditions : "N" range with engine idling.


CAUTION
The engine should be stopped within one minute after it is started. If the
fluid has all drained out before then, the engine should be stopped at that
point........

Bob

<Diarmud387@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:1136217874.962789.306470@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
> New car, why take a chance on the warranty? Also from experience,
> there is a difference between tranny fluids.
>
> Stick with OEM stuff to keep the warranty good. It's like oil and
> filters. There IS a difference.
>
> Good luck.

Mine doesn't need any yet. I'm just looking forward to the point where I
will be changing it - part of it anyway. The point to me bringing this up is
the fact that the dealer - a Hyundai dealer - I bought the car from DOES NOT
use the SP III fluid when they do a transmission service. They use BG
universal synthetic fluid. I suppose if the tranny burns up under warranty,
they'll just point to the records saying that they did a fluid change at X
miles. No accountability as to what they changed it with.

As to the fluid turning brown quickly, I suspect it's partly due to the lack
of a filter, and the normal wear particles having nowhere to go except to
get suspended in the fluid. Actually, the transmission has a "filter", but
it's really just a very fine mesh screen. I do plan on adding an external
filter http://www.magnefine.com/ It can't hurt. Here's one that someone cut
open after 28,000 miles
http://www.v6performance.net/forums/...ad.php?t=60257

It also is not a requirement to flush the transmission.... From the manual:
REPLACEMENT
If you have a fluid changer, use this changer to replace the fluid. If you
do not, replace it using the following procedure.
1.. Disconnect the hose which connects the transmission and the oil cooler
which is within the radiator only in 2.4L engine(3.3L-the oil cooler is
separated).
2.. Start the engine and let the fluid drain out.
Running conditions : "N" range with engine idling.


CAUTION
The engine should be stopped within one minute after it is started. If the
fluid has all drained out before then, the engine should be stopped at that
point........

Mike Marlow

"Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:SCduf.30591$dZ1.28967@bignews2.bellsouth.net. ..
>
> <Diarmud387@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:1136217874.962789.306470@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
> > New car, why take a chance on the warranty? Also from experience,
> > there is a difference between tranny fluids.
> >
> > Stick with OEM stuff to keep the warranty good. It's like oil and
> > filters. There IS a difference.

To Diarmud387 - Car manufacturers do not make tranny fluids or motor oils.
Nor do they manufacturer filters. Stick with the standards they specify and
you'll be all right. At the level of the standards, tranny fluid is tranny
fluid, motor oil is motor oil, etc. Sure there are different grades above
the standards and they are not a bad option for those who want an extra
measure of security, but there is no such thing as Ford Tranny Fluid, or GM
Tranny Fluid, or Hyundai Tranny Fluid. What they sell in their private
label containers for inflated prices is the same stuff you can buy in the
aftermarket. Just be sure to know the specification of the fluid. It's
illegal for the auto manufacturer to hold your warranty hostage to using
their private label fluids. They can only hold you to the specified
standard.

> >
> > Good luck.
>
> Mine doesn't need any yet. I'm just looking forward to the point where I
> will be changing it - part of it anyway. The point to me bringing this up
is
> the fact that the dealer - a Hyundai dealer - I bought the car from DOES
NOT
> use the SP III fluid when they do a transmission service. They use BG
> universal synthetic fluid. I suppose if the tranny burns up under
warranty,
> they'll just point to the records saying that they did a fluid change at X
> miles. No accountability as to what they changed it with.

You're probably right, for the very reasons I stated above to the previous
poster. Look at your Hyundai warranty - does it specifically state that you
must use Hyundai Transmission Fluid, or does it specify a standard? To be
honest I have not looked at mine, but it would really surprise me if they
tried to force their private label on consumers.

>
> As to the fluid turning brown quickly, I suspect it's partly due to the
lack
> of a filter, and the normal wear particles having nowhere to go except to
> get suspended in the fluid. Actually, the transmission has a "filter", but
> it's really just a very fine mesh screen. I do plan on adding an external
> filter http://www.magnefine.com/ It can't hurt. Here's one that someone
cut
> open after 28,000 miles
> http://www.v6performance.net/forums/...ad.php?t=60257
>
> It also is not a requirement to flush the transmission.... From the
manual:
> REPLACEMENT
> If you have a fluid changer, use this changer to replace the fluid. If you
> do not, replace it using the following procedure.
> 1.. Disconnect the hose which connects the transmission and the oil
cooler
> which is within the radiator only in 2.4L engine(3.3L-the oil cooler is
> separated).
> 2.. Start the engine and let the fluid drain out.
> Running conditions : "N" range with engine idling.
>
>
> CAUTION
> The engine should be stopped within one minute after it is started. If
the
> fluid has all drained out before then, the engine should be stopped at
that
> point........
>
>

Here's my twist on what you describe above...

I service the tranny - drain it, install new filter, clean the pan to remove
filings, etc., replace the filter and close it up. Then to get the ATF out
of the torque converter and the intercooler, I remove the connection at the
intercooler and start the car. I let the tranny pump out fluid into a
bucket, and with a very scientific "best guess" rate of pour, I add fluid as
it pumps the remainder of the old fluid out. You can tell when you've
cycled all of the old fluid out by watching what pumps out. When you start
to see the nice, bright, new color pumping out, you've done it all. Put the
line back on the intercooler, double check your ATF level and call it a job
well done. You're typically within the one quart range, certainly within
two with this procedure. I suppose you could well argue that one quart of
used ATF won't really contaminate the new stuff, but it's a practice I
picked up years ago and it's stuck with me over time.

BTW - good link to those pics of the filter cut apart. The owner of that
car has some serious problems though, and that filter is not going to help
him much. That's one hell of a lot of metal filing for such a short driving
distance. He's got bigger problems than a filter.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Mike Marlow

"Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:SCduf.30591$dZ1.28967@bignews2.bellsouth.net. ..
>
> <Diarmud387@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:1136217874.962789.306470@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
> > New car, why take a chance on the warranty? Also from experience,
> > there is a difference between tranny fluids.
> >
> > Stick with OEM stuff to keep the warranty good. It's like oil and
> > filters. There IS a difference.

To Diarmud387 - Car manufacturers do not make tranny fluids or motor oils.
Nor do they manufacturer filters. Stick with the standards they specify and
you'll be all right. At the level of the standards, tranny fluid is tranny
fluid, motor oil is motor oil, etc. Sure there are different grades above
the standards and they are not a bad option for those who want an extra
measure of security, but there is no such thing as Ford Tranny Fluid, or GM
Tranny Fluid, or Hyundai Tranny Fluid. What they sell in their private
label containers for inflated prices is the same stuff you can buy in the
aftermarket. Just be sure to know the specification of the fluid. It's
illegal for the auto manufacturer to hold your warranty hostage to using
their private label fluids. They can only hold you to the specified
standard.

> >
> > Good luck.
>
> Mine doesn't need any yet. I'm just looking forward to the point where I
> will be changing it - part of it anyway. The point to me bringing this up
is
> the fact that the dealer - a Hyundai dealer - I bought the car from DOES
NOT
> use the SP III fluid when they do a transmission service. They use BG
> universal synthetic fluid. I suppose if the tranny burns up under
warranty,
> they'll just point to the records saying that they did a fluid change at X
> miles. No accountability as to what they changed it with.

You're probably right, for the very reasons I stated above to the previous
poster. Look at your Hyundai warranty - does it specifically state that you
must use Hyundai Transmission Fluid, or does it specify a standard? To be
honest I have not looked at mine, but it would really surprise me if they
tried to force their private label on consumers.

>
> As to the fluid turning brown quickly, I suspect it's partly due to the
lack
> of a filter, and the normal wear particles having nowhere to go except to
> get suspended in the fluid. Actually, the transmission has a "filter", but
> it's really just a very fine mesh screen. I do plan on adding an external
> filter http://www.magnefine.com/ It can't hurt. Here's one that someone
cut
> open after 28,000 miles
> http://www.v6performance.net/forums/...ad.php?t=60257
>
> It also is not a requirement to flush the transmission.... From the
manual:
> REPLACEMENT
> If you have a fluid changer, use this changer to replace the fluid. If you
> do not, replace it using the following procedure.
> 1.. Disconnect the hose which connects the transmission and the oil
cooler
> which is within the radiator only in 2.4L engine(3.3L-the oil cooler is
> separated).
> 2.. Start the engine and let the fluid drain out.
> Running conditions : "N" range with engine idling.
>
>
> CAUTION
> The engine should be stopped within one minute after it is started. If
the
> fluid has all drained out before then, the engine should be stopped at
that
> point........
>
>

Here's my twist on what you describe above...

I service the tranny - drain it, install new filter, clean the pan to remove
filings, etc., replace the filter and close it up. Then to get the ATF out
of the torque converter and the intercooler, I remove the connection at the
intercooler and start the car. I let the tranny pump out fluid into a
bucket, and with a very scientific "best guess" rate of pour, I add fluid as
it pumps the remainder of the old fluid out. You can tell when you've
cycled all of the old fluid out by watching what pumps out. When you start
to see the nice, bright, new color pumping out, you've done it all. Put the
line back on the intercooler, double check your ATF level and call it a job
well done. You're typically within the one quart range, certainly within
two with this procedure. I suppose you could well argue that one quart of
used ATF won't really contaminate the new stuff, but it's a practice I
picked up years ago and it's stuck with me over time.

BTW - good link to those pics of the filter cut apart. The owner of that
car has some serious problems though, and that filter is not going to help
him much. That's one hell of a lot of metal filing for such a short driving
distance. He's got bigger problems than a filter.

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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net