komobu

I am debating buying a used 2006 Sonata LX with 14000 miles. They want
15,700 for the car. The issue is I will get the remainder of the
50k/60,000mile waranty, but I wont get the 100,000 mile ten year
powertrain waranty. The local Hyundai dealer says that it is only for
the original purchaser. I am wondering if I should spend the extra cash
to buy the newer model year and get the full 100k waranty. Any thoughts
on this car or reccomendation on any other model?

Thanks
Pat

Edwin Pawlowski

"komobu" <curranpg@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>I am debating buying a used 2006 Sonata LX with 14000 miles. They want
> 15,700 for the car. The issue is I will get the remainder of the
> 50k/60,000mile waranty, but I wont get the 100,000 mile ten year
> powertrain waranty. The local Hyundai dealer says that it is only for
> the original purchaser. I am wondering if I should spend the extra cash
> to buy the newer model year and get the full 100k waranty. Any thoughts
> on this car or reccomendation on any other model?

There are other considerations too. Financing on a used car is, in most
cases, not as good as available on a new car. Consider any rebates and low
interest in the final decision. What price can you get on a new car? List
is about $23000. If you think the car is good for a total of 140,000 miles,
the '06 is already 10% used up. If the new model can be had at a final
price of say, $21k, it would have to be another 10% lower just to be even,
or about $18.9. Based on that over simplified analogy, at $15.7 it is
probably a decent buy. You can buy some repairs with the price difference.
Put that money in the bank, just in case. (yeah, right)

What is the likelihood of you keeping the car past the 60k mile mark? Does
it have the equipment and color you really want? Some factors in the car
buying decision are pure emotional. I turned down a good buy on a demo car
with 900 miles because I did not like the color. I have to look at it for
years to come, so that was a factor.

joep1000@yahoo.com

komobu wrote:
> I am debating buying a used 2006 Sonata LX with 14000 miles. They want
> 15,700 for the car. The issue is I will get the remainder of the
> 50k/60,000mile waranty, but I wont get the 100,000 mile ten year
> powertrain waranty. The local Hyundai dealer says that it is only for
> the original purchaser. I am wondering if I should spend the extra cash
> to buy the newer model year and get the full 100k waranty. Any thoughts
> on this car or reccomendation on any other model?
>
> Thanks
> Pat

One year old car, it's probably a rental as many one year old Sonata's
are, 14K miles on a rental = 100K miles on a normal car. A carfax will
tell you if it is rental, or just look for scratches around ignition
key, that's a sure fire hint it was a rental.

Darby OGill

<joep1000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> komobu wrote:
>> I am debating buying a used 2006 Sonata LX with 14000 miles. They want
>> 15,700 for the car. The issue is I will get the remainder of the
>> 50k/60,000mile waranty, but I wont get the 100,000 mile ten year
>> powertrain waranty. The local Hyundai dealer says that it is only for
>> the original purchaser. I am wondering if I should spend the extra cash
>> to buy the newer model year and get the full 100k waranty. Any thoughts
>> on this car or reccomendation on any other model?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Pat
>
> One year old car, it's probably a rental as many one year old Sonata's
> are, 14K miles on a rental = 100K miles on a normal car. A carfax will
> tell you if it is rental, or just look for scratches around ignition
> key, that's a sure fire hint it was a rental.

Gee, I don't know about that 14k rental equals 100k?? Personally, I've
bought two former rentals from Enterprise. One I drove 225 thousands miles
before selling it in good running condition. The other I've put about 35k on
top of their 22k miles....zero problems and is also a keeper. When I rent a
car I don't drive 80 mph in second gear or haul cinder blocks in the trunk.
Most rentals are probably driven "normally". MHO YMMV

I think 14k miles is not much. My 50 week old LX has 34000 miles with zero
problems.....Whether the car you are looking at is a good deal, I can't
comment. Ed P makes sense with his reply I think.
>

Matt Whiting

Darby OGill wrote:
> <joep1000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1165375698.765582.40450@l12g2000cwl.googlegro ups.com...
>
>>komobu wrote:
>>
>>>I am debating buying a used 2006 Sonata LX with 14000 miles. They want
>>>15,700 for the car. The issue is I will get the remainder of the
>>>50k/60,000mile waranty, but I wont get the 100,000 mile ten year
>>>powertrain waranty. The local Hyundai dealer says that it is only for
>>>the original purchaser. I am wondering if I should spend the extra cash
>>>to buy the newer model year and get the full 100k waranty. Any thoughts
>>>on this car or reccomendation on any other model?
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>Pat
>>
>>One year old car, it's probably a rental as many one year old Sonata's
>>are, 14K miles on a rental = 100K miles on a normal car. A carfax will
>>tell you if it is rental, or just look for scratches around ignition
>>key, that's a sure fire hint it was a rental.
>
>
> Gee, I don't know about that 14k rental equals 100k?? Personally, I've
> bought two former rentals from Enterprise. One I drove 225 thousands miles
> before selling it in good running condition. The other I've put about 35k on
> top of their 22k miles....zero problems and is also a keeper. When I rent a
> car I don't drive 80 mph in second gear or haul cinder blocks in the trunk.
> Most rentals are probably driven "normally". MHO YMMV

I'm with you. My first Chrysler minivan, a 96 Grand Voyager, was a
dealer mule that had accumulated 33,000 miles in one year hauling parts
and running errands. The only real cosmetic issue was that the bumper
cover was all scratched up from removing and replacing the rear seat and
dragging other stuff across the top of the bumper.

The van had 178,000 on it when it was totaled.

My current minvan, an 03 Grand Caravan, was a rental from Chicago with
29,000 on the clock after one year. It has 75,000 and is running
strong. I got great deals on both of them. I think I paid $12,500 for
the 03 as a one-year old vehicle in 04. New ones were nearly $20,000
similarly equipped (this is a low-end model as it is a kid hauler). I
figured a 40% discount and lower insurance more than offset the 30,000
miles as I know these vehicles will go 200K easily. So I get 84% of the
useful life of the vehicle for 63% of the price, and that is worst case
assuming no resale value at all. I got nearly $4,000 for my 96 with
178,000 miles on it from the insurance company of the drunk that hit me.
Factor that in, and the deal is even better.


Matt

Mike Marlow

<joep1000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> One year old car, it's probably a rental as many one year old Sonata's
> are, 14K miles on a rental = 100K miles on a normal car.

Interesting thought. What is it that makes you believe this? I've owned a
few rentals over the years and have found no such thing to be true of them.
Being one of those guys who likes to de-bunk things like this just for the
hell of it, I've done things like check the oil in my rental while having
it. I've never found a rental with dirty oil or any other indicator of poor
maintenance. I travel a lot and rent a lot of cars. I wonder - how much do
you rent cars? Have you ever owned a rental? Perhaps you have and had a
bad experience - I'm not suggesting that you haven't, but I do dispute your
claim above.



> A carfax will
> tell you if it is rental, or just look for scratches around ignition
> key, that's a sure fire hint it was a rental.
>

That's an interesting thought as well. Clearly you've never seen one of my
wife's cars...

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

joep1000@yahoo.com

Mike Marlow wrote:
> <joep1000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> >
> > One year old car, it's probably a rental as many one year old Sonata's
> > are, 14K miles on a rental = 100K miles on a normal car.
>
> Interesting thought. What is it that makes you believe this? I've owned a
> few rentals over the years and have found no such thing to be true of them.
> Being one of those guys who likes to de-bunk things like this just for the
> hell of it, I've done things like check the oil in my rental while having
> it. I've never found a rental with dirty oil or any other indicator of poor
> maintenance.

Dirty oil is the least of my worries, it's the only thing the rental
car companies can control, it's all the other stuff they can't control
that concerns me

I travel a lot and rent a lot of cars. I wonder - how much do
> you rent cars?

I rented for 426 days last year, I was working offsite and had various
rentals all year long, sometimes I would have two rentals when I
traveled to other sites (one at the airport parking lot), sometimes
three rentals at once (two sitting at the airport parking lots).


>Have you ever owned a rental?

No. I always buy used and can spot a rental 10 miles away at the
dealership. Without even considering the potential mechanical issues,
the cosmetics of the exterior and interior turn me off immediately
(with all the rough luggage induced dings/dents/scratches) as not to
even consider buying it.....

this is just my opinion, I'm just someone who has vast experience with
various rentals, buying used is always a crapshoot, but why start in a
hole to begin with

Mike Marlow

<joep1000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Dirty oil is the least of my worries, it's the only thing the rental
> car companies can control, it's all the other stuff they can't control
> that concerns me
>

So, what are these other things that you are concerned for? I gather from
your points below that body dings are something you feel are common and
bother you. They would bother me as well, but I don't see them as often as
you do. I do a lot of body work and so I tend to look for and notice these
things.


>
> I rented for 426 days last year, I was working offsite and had various
> rentals all year long, sometimes I would have two rentals when I
> traveled to other sites (one at the airport parking lot), sometimes
> three rentals at once (two sitting at the airport parking lots).

Good - at least we have a good common ground to talk on. How many bad
experiences have you had with rentals? Like you, I rent a lot and I can
count on one hand the number of problems I've had. The most of those were
not related to the car being a rental, but were characteristic problems of a
particular model.



>
> No. I always buy used and can spot a rental 10 miles away at the
> dealership. Without even considering the potential mechanical issues,
> the cosmetics of the exterior and interior turn me off immediately
> (with all the rough luggage induced dings/dents/scratches) as not to
> even consider buying it.....
>

I've gone both ways - buying used and buying rentals. My experiences have
been very good. I would say with a certainty that the rentals I've bought
had no more body dings than cars that were privately owned. Private owners
who turn in cars frequently take pitiful care of their cars since they know
they'll be turning them over in a short time.

> this is just my opinion, I'm just someone who has vast experience with
> various rentals, buying used is always a crapshoot, but why start in a
> hole to begin with
>

You know what they say about opinions... but that's all I'm spouting at the
same time, is my opinion. Mine are based on some actual experiences owning
rentals so maybe they will offer a bit of additional insight, but beyond the
factual nature of my experiences, my thoughts on buying rentals is just my
opinion as well.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

komobu

Not a rental...Ran a experian car check on the vin and everything
turned out right. So again, I am looking at 15,500 for a used Sonata LX
versus what ever the 2007 model is going for. The used one was first
registered in Sep of 05 so it is currently 14 months old.

Pat

joep1000@yahoo.com

Mike Marlow wrote:

> So, what are these other things that you are concerned for?

Abuse I can't see, I treat rentals like I treat my own cars because, I
guess, I'm older, but I know many people who don't, it seems to be a 20
something age thing, at that age they seem obligated to shift in
reverse at 60 MPH, leave it in 2 second gear at highway speeds, go over
speed bumps as fast as possible, continuous redline while fully loaded
and climbing mountains, all things I personally witness while in the
passenger seat....


> Good - at least we have a good common ground to talk on. How many bad
> experiences have you had with rentals? Like you, I rent a lot and I can
> count on one hand the number of problems I've had. The most of those were
> not related to the car being a rental, but were characteristic problems of a
> particular model.
>
Well first off, I have a plantium Hertz card and rent for long periods,
so I usually request and get a brand new car if I am at a large
airport, like LAX, (that way I can keep it as long as possible before
returning it for maintenance), so I have very little problems with
these cars.

For the short trips I'll take whatever they have, and notice huge
differences in these cars even though they have less then 10K on them,
they feel old and worn out, worse then one of my cars at home that has
100k on it (hence the origin of my original post). You know, adjusting
the rear view mirror and it falls off, stinky insides, interiors that
look like it was a training camp for al qaeda. Specific mechanical
problems were brakes mostly (on camry's and accords) and suspensions
(nissans). But it's long term effects from the above abuses I'm more
concern about, stuff that will show up later.


> I've gone both ways - buying used and buying rentals. My experiences have
> been very good. I would say with a certainty that the rentals I've bought
> had no more body dings than cars that were privately owned. Private owners
> who turn in cars frequently take pitiful care of their cars since they know
> they'll be turning them over in a short time.
>
That's true, but it's even worse for rentals since they know they will
be turning it in in a very short period of time. I've never seen a nice
rental, I like to buy from private owners mostly,if the car looks nice
at first glance I'll start evaluating the previous owner more then the
car...

Darby OGill

"komobu" <curranpg@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Not a rental...Ran a experian car check on the vin and everything
> turned out right. So again, I am looking at 15,500 for a used Sonata LX
> versus what ever the 2007 model is going for. The used one was first
> registered in Sep of 05 so it is currently 14 months old.
>
> Pat
>pat, they are good cars, excellent really. there is lots of history here to
>search if you like.(remember, usenet folks are notorious whiny weenies!).
>...can't speak directly on your deal-you do the math! I do like my lx
>loaded. I've had no trouble to warn you about. (34k mi) The warranty gives
>me confidence, but I drive way too many miles to actually use it in all
>probability.......Drive it. If it fits you literally and figuratively, go
>from there,,,,what additions and improvements are there for '07?

Mike Marlow

<joep1000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Mike Marlow wrote:
>
> > So, what are these other things that you are concerned for?
>
> Abuse I can't see, I treat rentals like I treat my own cars because, I
> guess, I'm older, but I know many people who don't, it seems to be a 20
> something age thing, at that age they seem obligated to shift in
> reverse at 60 MPH, leave it in 2 second gear at highway speeds, go over
> speed bumps as fast as possible, continuous redline while fully loaded
> and climbing mountains, all things I personally witness while in the
> passenger seat....
>

Like you, I'm older and I treat the rentals as if they were my own. The
things you suggest above are not possible though. You can't redline a car
these days. The computer will prevent you from doing that. As well, the
notion of shifting into reverse at 60mph is more fantasy than reality. I
guess if you say you've witnessed these things I won't say you're lieing,
but I'd like to see it myself. Go out to your car and try to hold the
throttle so that the engine over revs continuously. You'll notice the
computer take control and cause the engine to "misfire" so as to keep it
under redline conditions.


>
> Well first off, I have a plantium Hertz card and rent for long periods,
> so I usually request and get a brand new car if I am at a large
> airport, like LAX, (that way I can keep it as long as possible before
> returning it for maintenance), so I have very little problems with
> these cars.
>
> For the short trips I'll take whatever they have, and notice huge
> differences in these cars even though they have less then 10K on them,
> they feel old and worn out, worse then one of my cars at home that has
> 100k on it (hence the origin of my original post). You know, adjusting
> the rear view mirror and it falls off, stinky insides, interiors that
> look like it was a training camp for al qaeda. Specific mechanical
> problems were brakes mostly (on camry's and accords) and suspensions
> (nissans). But it's long term effects from the above abuses I'm more
> concern about, stuff that will show up later.

All I can say is that I've not encountered the things you describe. But -
owning or purchasing a car is a very subjective experience, so you have to
go with what suits you.


--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

komobu

>probability.......Drive it. If it fits you literally and figuratively, go
> >from there,,,,what additions and improvements are there for '07?

Thanks for the reply. I really dont know if it will fit or not...I am
in Korea and the Car is in the US. I will return to the states in early
January. I will need a car immediately upon arrival. The seller said he
would hold it until I arrived for a 750 deposit. I am sure I will like
it. To me it all boils down to 15,500 for used with 14k miles, or 21000
for a new 2007 model. The average retail on the 2006 LX is 17-18k. So
15,500 is not a bad deal. I am going to take a chance and buy the used.
The current owner will give me the car on the day I arrive, and it is
one less thing I will have to deal with when I get to the states. The
5K savings over new will be able to help me with moving expenses and
settling in to the new house.

Pat

Darby OGill

snip
So
> 15,500 is not a bad deal. I am going to take a chance and buy the used.
> The current owner will give me the car on the day I arrive, and it is
> one less thing I will have to deal with when I get to the states. >
>

one less thing to deal with...priceless. Boy, I hate stress. I like your
thinking.

Bob

komobu wrote:
> I am debating buying a used 2006 Sonata LX with 14000 miles. They want
> 15,700 for the car. The issue is I will get the remainder of the
> 50k/60,000mile waranty, but I wont get the 100,000 mile ten year
> powertrain waranty. The local Hyundai dealer says that it is only for
> the original purchaser. I am wondering if I should spend the extra cash
> to buy the newer model year and get the full 100k waranty. Any thoughts
> on this car or reccomendation on any other model?
>
> Thanks
> Pat
>
You can get a brand new 2007 Sonata GLS (4 cylinder)for $15,691 from
carsdirect.com