Re: Used Cobalt or Accent
 

Edwin:

So tell us the rest of your life story you A.H. Do you really think we all
care about your problems.

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"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Jack Cassidy" <Jacapat2@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> Yes, in ten years it may be worth $15 while the Accent is worth only
>>> $12.
>> Yeah but that $3.00 may be important to some people. :c)
>> If my Accent gives me good service for 10 years I won't care if it's only
>> worth 12 cents, I'll put it in the trash and go buy another.
>
> I keep cars until they are used up. I've had a couple towed to the junk
> yard but I "traded in" my 91 Regal. The book value if in good condition
> was $850 according to KBB. Problem is, I'd have to spend about $1200 to
> get it to be worth that. Dealer gave me $100 for it. I figured it was
> just transportation to go pick up the new one. I managed to even work out
> the gas so that the warning light for low fuel came on about two miles
> from the dealer.
>
> Sonata now has 15200 and still perfect.
>

Re: Used Cobalt or Accent
 

"p" <dontemail@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Edwin:
>
> So tell us the rest of your life story you A.H. Do you really think we
> all care about your problems.

Since you took the time to reply, you must have enjoyed reading my post.
Thank you for your interest. Chapter 2 will be posted later today.

Re: Used Cobalt or Accent
 

On 24 May 2007 11:21:56 -0700, Jack <buywheels@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I have a chance to purchase either a 2006 Chevy Cobalt or 2006 Hyundai
>Accent for the same amout of money. Both cars are used but are both in
>excellent, like new condition. I will primarily use the car as a
>commuter vehicle. Overall cost of ownership including gas mileage,
>repair, durability, etc. are important to me.
>
>The Chevy is bigger and feels relatively more substantial. The Hyundai
>gets better gas mileage.
>
>Which one is likely to have a lower cost of ownership in the long term
>(ten years)? My apology for cross posting.

Hyundai = 10 yr bumper to bumper warranty to original owner - they do
it to show the quality

GM - 5 year drive train to try to convince us they are getting serious
about quality if they are still here to cover the warranty.

Re: Used Cobalt or Accent
 

nothermark wrote:
> On 24 May 2007 11:21:56 -0700, Jack <buywheels@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a chance to purchase either a 2006 Chevy Cobalt or 2006 Hyundai
>> Accent for the same amout of money. Both cars are used but are both in
>> excellent, like new condition. I will primarily use the car as a
>> commuter vehicle. Overall cost of ownership including gas mileage,
>> repair, durability, etc. are important to me.
>>
>> The Chevy is bigger and feels relatively more substantial. The Hyundai
>> gets better gas mileage.
>>
>> Which one is likely to have a lower cost of ownership in the long term
>> (ten years)? My apology for cross posting.
>
> Hyundai = 10 yr bumper to bumper warranty to original owner - they do
> it to show the quality
>
> GM - 5 year drive train to try to convince us they are getting serious
> about quality if they are still here to cover the warranty.

If I HAD to pick between an Accent and a Cobalt, I'd take a Cobalt.

I test drove an 06 Accent with my mother when she was car shopping. It
drove and felt and sounded a lot like her old 86 Excel, right down to
the door chime. Considering how much of a turd that car was I cannot
recommend a Hyundai to anyone. (and yes, I'm using the same logic that
people use who once drove an 82 Chevette and deduced all GM's were crap.)

Frankly, if you're looking for an econobox commuter car, I'd suggest a
Corolla or Civic. Neither car has anything resembling a personality,
but generally seem to run for about 10 years with minimal investment.
And I'm a GM guy...I'm yet to be convinced the Cobalts will hold up.

If you want a car with a personality... that's a different question.

TCO is tricky - when I was car shopping in the fall for a family car I
spent a lot of time adding up fuel costs, insurance costs, and estimated
repair costs for a lot of cars... and ended up buying the car that had
the features I wanted anyway. (Subaru Legacy wagon with a manual
transmission and AWD.)

FWIW, in Manitoba, here's a comparison of insurance rates for basic
coverage for your cars (base cars, base coverage) (www.mpi.mb.ca)
06 Cobalt: $1612
06 Accent: $1504
06 Civic: $1707
06 Legacy Wagon: $1504

Ray

Re: Used Cobalt or Accent
 

"Ray" <ray@nospam.example.com> wrote in message
> I test drove an 06 Accent with my mother when she was car shopping. It
> drove and felt and sounded a lot like her old 86 Excel, right down to the
> door chime. Considering how much of a turd that car was I cannot
> recommend a Hyundai to anyone.

Fortunately, there has been major improvements by Hyundai over the past 20
years. The old Excel certainly was a turd but if they kept making cars like
that, they'd not be in business today. It is not easy to overcome those
early impressions though.

Re: Used Cobalt or Accent
 

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "Ray" <ray@nospam.example.com> wrote in message
>> I test drove an 06 Accent with my mother when she was car shopping. It
>> drove and felt and sounded a lot like her old 86 Excel, right down to the
>> door chime. Considering how much of a turd that car was I cannot
>> recommend a Hyundai to anyone.
>
> Fortunately, there has been major improvements by Hyundai over the past 20
> years. The old Excel certainly was a turd but if they kept making cars like
> that, they'd not be in business today. It is not easy to overcome those
> early impressions though.
>
>

fwiw, I still have it in my back yard. My mom finally parked it in 2002
when it was consuming equal amounts of gas and oil. I'm going to start
it up this year so I can laugh one last time and then recycle it. It is
the car I took my driver's test in...

So, if anyone wants parts off an 86 Hyundai Excel GL, let me know... you
pay shipping...

Re: Used Cobalt or Accent
 

On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:56:03 -0500, Ray <ray@nospam.example.com>
wrote:

>Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>> "Ray" <ray@nospam.example.com> wrote in message
>>> I test drove an 06 Accent with my mother when she was car shopping. It
>>> drove and felt and sounded a lot like her old 86 Excel, right down to the
>>> door chime. Considering how much of a turd that car was I cannot
>>> recommend a Hyundai to anyone.
>>
>> Fortunately, there has been major improvements by Hyundai over the past 20
>> years. The old Excel certainly was a turd but if they kept making cars like
>> that, they'd not be in business today. It is not easy to overcome those
>> early impressions though.
>>
>>
>
>fwiw, I still have it in my back yard. My mom finally parked it in 2002
>when it was consuming equal amounts of gas and oil. I'm going to start
>it up this year so I can laugh one last time and then recycle it. It is
>the car I took my driver's test in...
>
>So, if anyone wants parts off an 86 Hyundai Excel GL, let me know... you
>pay shipping...

I need an automatic temp control head and the electronic memory power
seat controls.

Re: Used Cobalt or Accent
 

Ashton Crusher wrote:
>>
>> So, if anyone wants parts off an 86 Hyundai Excel GL, let me know... you
>> pay shipping...
>
> I need an automatic temp control head and the electronic memory power
> seat controls.

lol.
it's an 86 Excel, which means it has manual heater controls (no AC) and
manual seats.

those are probably two of the only things working left on the car.

Re: Used Cobalt or Accent
 

On Mon, 28 May 2007 08:51:17 -0500, Ray <ray@nospam.example.com>
wrote:

>nothermark wrote:
>> On 24 May 2007 11:21:56 -0700, Jack <buywheels@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a chance to purchase either a 2006 Chevy Cobalt or 2006 Hyundai
>>> Accent for the same amout of money. Both cars are used but are both in
>>> excellent, like new condition. I will primarily use the car as a
>>> commuter vehicle. Overall cost of ownership including gas mileage,
>>> repair, durability, etc. are important to me.
>>>
>>> The Chevy is bigger and feels relatively more substantial. The Hyundai
>>> gets better gas mileage.
>>>
>>> Which one is likely to have a lower cost of ownership in the long term
>>> (ten years)? My apology for cross posting.
>>
>> Hyundai = 10 yr bumper to bumper warranty to original owner - they do
>> it to show the quality
>>
>> GM - 5 year drive train to try to convince us they are getting serious
>> about quality if they are still here to cover the warranty.
>
>If I HAD to pick between an Accent and a Cobalt, I'd take a Cobalt.
>
>I test drove an 06 Accent with my mother when she was car shopping. It
>drove and felt and sounded a lot like her old 86 Excel, right down to
>the door chime. Considering how much of a turd that car was I cannot
>recommend a Hyundai to anyone. (and yes, I'm using the same logic that
>people use who once drove an 82 Chevette and deduced all GM's were crap.)
>
>Frankly, if you're looking for an econobox commuter car, I'd suggest a
>Corolla or Civic. Neither car has anything resembling a personality,
>but generally seem to run for about 10 years with minimal investment.
>And I'm a GM guy...I'm yet to be convinced the Cobalts will hold up.
>
>If you want a car with a personality... that's a different question.
>
>TCO is tricky - when I was car shopping in the fall for a family car I
>spent a lot of time adding up fuel costs, insurance costs, and estimated
>repair costs for a lot of cars... and ended up buying the car that had
>the features I wanted anyway. (Subaru Legacy wagon with a manual
>transmission and AWD.)
>
>FWIW, in Manitoba, here's a comparison of insurance rates for basic
>coverage for your cars (base cars, base coverage) (www.mpi.mb.ca)
>06 Cobalt: $1612
>06 Accent: $1504
>06 Civic: $1707
>06 Legacy Wagon: $1504
>
>Ray


You really don't get it. GM is losing their ass because they are like
microshaft. They own(ed) the market so long they could produce junk
and people bought it. I can now buy much better cars for much less
money with better engineering and often with more US content. GM and
Ford have both made a point of making their small cars low end junk to
justify the sale price of the bigger but not that much more expensive
to build full size stuff. But you will recommend them over somebody
that took quality seriously and fixed it more than 10 years ago.

Oh, and BTW, that includes Honda as their maintenance schedule is
really a scheduled rebuild the last time I looked.

Re: Used Cobalt or Accent
 

nothermark wrote:
> On Mon, 28 May 2007 08:51:17 -0500, Ray <ray@nospam.example.com>
> wrote:
>
>> nothermark wrote:
>>> On 24 May 2007 11:21:56 -0700, Jack <buywheels@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a chance to purchase either a 2006 Chevy Cobalt or 2006 Hyundai
>>>> Accent for the same amout of money. Both cars are used but are both in
>>>> excellent, like new condition. I will primarily use the car as a
>>>> commuter vehicle. Overall cost of ownership including gas mileage,
>>>> repair, durability, etc. are important to me.
>>>>
>>>> The Chevy is bigger and feels relatively more substantial. The Hyundai
>>>> gets better gas mileage.
>>>>
>>>> Which one is likely to have a lower cost of ownership in the long term
>>>> (ten years)? My apology for cross posting.
>>> Hyundai = 10 yr bumper to bumper warranty to original owner - they do
>>> it to show the quality
>>>
>>> GM - 5 year drive train to try to convince us they are getting serious
>>> about quality if they are still here to cover the warranty.
>> If I HAD to pick between an Accent and a Cobalt, I'd take a Cobalt.
>>
>> I test drove an 06 Accent with my mother when she was car shopping. It
>> drove and felt and sounded a lot like her old 86 Excel, right down to
>> the door chime. Considering how much of a turd that car was I cannot
>> recommend a Hyundai to anyone. (and yes, I'm using the same logic that
>> people use who once drove an 82 Chevette and deduced all GM's were crap.)
>>
>> Frankly, if you're looking for an econobox commuter car, I'd suggest a
>> Corolla or Civic. Neither car has anything resembling a personality,
>> but generally seem to run for about 10 years with minimal investment.
>> And I'm a GM guy...I'm yet to be convinced the Cobalts will hold up.
>>
>> If you want a car with a personality... that's a different question.
>>
>> TCO is tricky - when I was car shopping in the fall for a family car I
>> spent a lot of time adding up fuel costs, insurance costs, and estimated
>> repair costs for a lot of cars... and ended up buying the car that had
>> the features I wanted anyway. (Subaru Legacy wagon with a manual
>> transmission and AWD.)
>>
>> FWIW, in Manitoba, here's a comparison of insurance rates for basic
>> coverage for your cars (base cars, base coverage) (www.mpi.mb.ca)
>> 06 Cobalt: $1612
>> 06 Accent: $1504
>> 06 Civic: $1707
>> 06 Legacy Wagon: $1504
>>
>> Ray
>
>
> You really don't get it. GM is losing their ass because they are like
> microshaft. They own(ed) the market so long they could produce junk
> and people bought it. I can now buy much better cars for much less
> money with better engineering and often with more US content. GM and
> Ford have both made a point of making their small cars low end junk to
> justify the sale price of the bigger but not that much more expensive
> to build full size stuff. But you will recommend them over somebody
> that took quality seriously and fixed it more than 10 years ago.
>
> Oh, and BTW, that includes Honda as their maintenance schedule is
> really a scheduled rebuild the last time I looked.

Did you read my post? If I had to choose between a Cobalt and an Accent
for an automotive appliance, I'd recommend a Civic or a Corolla.

FWIW, I bought a Subaru Legacy in the fall because I needed a wagon or a
minivan, and wanted awd and a stick shift.

Frankly, nothing compares to driving my Trans Am. If you've never been
slideways on a road course at 120mph, you'll never understand.

Ray

Re: Used Cobalt or Accent
 

A "scheduled rebuild" in what way? Replacement of more parts than other
makes?
Which parts?
Does this imply poor construction?
Is this scheduled rebuild on Honda's or the owner's dime?
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"nothermark" <nothermark@not.here> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 28 May 2007 08:51:17 -0500, Ray <ray@nospam.example.com>
> wrote:
>
>>nothermark wrote:
>>> On 24 May 2007 11:21:56 -0700, Jack <buywheels@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a chance to purchase either a 2006 Chevy Cobalt or 2006 Hyundai
>>>> Accent for the same amout of money. Both cars are used but are both in
>>>> excellent, like new condition. I will primarily use the car as a
>>>> commuter vehicle. Overall cost of ownership including gas mileage,
>>>> repair, durability, etc. are important to me.
>>>>
>>>> The Chevy is bigger and feels relatively more substantial. The Hyundai
>>>> gets better gas mileage.
>>>>
>>>> Which one is likely to have a lower cost of ownership in the long term
>>>> (ten years)? My apology for cross posting.
>>>
>>> Hyundai = 10 yr bumper to bumper warranty to original owner - they do
>>> it to show the quality
>>>
>>> GM - 5 year drive train to try to convince us they are getting serious
>>> about quality if they are still here to cover the warranty.
>>
>>If I HAD to pick between an Accent and a Cobalt, I'd take a Cobalt.
>>
>>I test drove an 06 Accent with my mother when she was car shopping. It
>>drove and felt and sounded a lot like her old 86 Excel, right down to
>>the door chime. Considering how much of a turd that car was I cannot
>>recommend a Hyundai to anyone. (and yes, I'm using the same logic that
>>people use who once drove an 82 Chevette and deduced all GM's were crap.)
>>
>>Frankly, if you're looking for an econobox commuter car, I'd suggest a
>>Corolla or Civic. Neither car has anything resembling a personality,
>>but generally seem to run for about 10 years with minimal investment.
>>And I'm a GM guy...I'm yet to be convinced the Cobalts will hold up.
>>
>>If you want a car with a personality... that's a different question.
>>
>>TCO is tricky - when I was car shopping in the fall for a family car I
>>spent a lot of time adding up fuel costs, insurance costs, and estimated
>>repair costs for a lot of cars... and ended up buying the car that had
>>the features I wanted anyway. (Subaru Legacy wagon with a manual
>>transmission and AWD.)
>>
>>FWIW, in Manitoba, here's a comparison of insurance rates for basic
>>coverage for your cars (base cars, base coverage) (www.mpi.mb.ca)
>>06 Cobalt: $1612
>>06 Accent: $1504
>>06 Civic: $1707
>>06 Legacy Wagon: $1504
>>
>>Ray
>
>
> You really don't get it. GM is losing their ass because they are like
> microshaft. They own(ed) the market so long they could produce junk
> and people bought it. I can now buy much better cars for much less
> money with better engineering and often with more US content. GM and
> Ford have both made a point of making their small cars low end junk to
> justify the sale price of the bigger but not that much more expensive
> to build full size stuff. But you will recommend them over somebody
> that took quality seriously and fixed it more than 10 years ago.
>
> Oh, and BTW, that includes Honda as their maintenance schedule is
> really a scheduled rebuild the last time I looked.

Re: Used Cobalt or Accent
 

On Wed, 30 May 2007 18:56:14 -0400, "Proctologically Violated©®"
<entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net> wrote:

>A "scheduled rebuild" in what way? Replacement of more parts than other
>makes?
>Which parts?
>Does this imply poor construction?
>Is this scheduled rebuild on Honda's or the owner's dime?

owner's dime. It's the basic bitch I have heard from every Honda
owner I know. Pull their maintenance schedule for a source. As I
understand it they replace a lot of pars proactively. That said, I
was looking at Accord last year and they were advertising no
maintenance for the first 100,000 miles so they are doing something
about it. I jut couldn't stand the car so I bought my Elantra. One
of the guys I work with bought an Accord. He's around 60K and talking
about the $1000 shop charge for his next maintenace cycle. Go figure.

Oh, and yes, we drive a lot. Service business.

Re: Used Cobalt or Accent
 

choice was Cobalt or Accent. You said Cobalt. I said I couldn't
understand why.


On Wed, 30 May 2007 09:31:43 -0500, Ray <ray@nospam.example.com>
wrote:

>nothermark wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 May 2007 08:51:17 -0500, Ray <ray@nospam.example.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> nothermark wrote:
>>>> On 24 May 2007 11:21:56 -0700, Jack <buywheels@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have a chance to purchase either a 2006 Chevy Cobalt or 2006 Hyundai
>>>>> Accent for the same amout of money. Both cars are used but are both in
>>>>> excellent, like new condition. I will primarily use the car as a
>>>>> commuter vehicle. Overall cost of ownership including gas mileage,
>>>>> repair, durability, etc. are important to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Chevy is bigger and feels relatively more substantial. The Hyundai
>>>>> gets better gas mileage.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which one is likely to have a lower cost of ownership in the long term
>>>>> (ten years)? My apology for cross posting.
>>>> Hyundai = 10 yr bumper to bumper warranty to original owner - they do
>>>> it to show the quality
>>>>
>>>> GM - 5 year drive train to try to convince us they are getting serious
>>>> about quality if they are still here to cover the warranty.
>>> If I HAD to pick between an Accent and a Cobalt, I'd take a Cobalt.
>>>
>>> I test drove an 06 Accent with my mother when she was car shopping. It
>>> drove and felt and sounded a lot like her old 86 Excel, right down to
>>> the door chime. Considering how much of a turd that car was I cannot
>>> recommend a Hyundai to anyone. (and yes, I'm using the same logic that
>>> people use who once drove an 82 Chevette and deduced all GM's were crap.)
>>>
>>> Frankly, if you're looking for an econobox commuter car, I'd suggest a
>>> Corolla or Civic. Neither car has anything resembling a personality,
>>> but generally seem to run for about 10 years with minimal investment.
>>> And I'm a GM guy...I'm yet to be convinced the Cobalts will hold up.
>>>
>>> If you want a car with a personality... that's a different question.
>>>
>>> TCO is tricky - when I was car shopping in the fall for a family car I
>>> spent a lot of time adding up fuel costs, insurance costs, and estimated
>>> repair costs for a lot of cars... and ended up buying the car that had
>>> the features I wanted anyway. (Subaru Legacy wagon with a manual
>>> transmission and AWD.)
>>>
>>> FWIW, in Manitoba, here's a comparison of insurance rates for basic
>>> coverage for your cars (base cars, base coverage) (www.mpi.mb.ca)
>>> 06 Cobalt: $1612
>>> 06 Accent: $1504
>>> 06 Civic: $1707
>>> 06 Legacy Wagon: $1504
>>>
>>> Ray
>>
>>
>> You really don't get it. GM is losing their ass because they are like
>> microshaft. They own(ed) the market so long they could produce junk
>> and people bought it. I can now buy much better cars for much less
>> money with better engineering and often with more US content. GM and
>> Ford have both made a point of making their small cars low end junk to
>> justify the sale price of the bigger but not that much more expensive
>> to build full size stuff. But you will recommend them over somebody
>> that took quality seriously and fixed it more than 10 years ago.
>>
>> Oh, and BTW, that includes Honda as their maintenance schedule is
>> really a scheduled rebuild the last time I looked.
>
>Did you read my post? If I had to choose between a Cobalt and an Accent
>for an automotive appliance, I'd recommend a Civic or a Corolla.
>
>FWIW, I bought a Subaru Legacy in the fall because I needed a wagon or a
>minivan, and wanted awd and a stick shift.
>
>Frankly, nothing compares to driving my Trans Am. If you've never been
>slideways on a road course at 120mph, you'll never understand.
>
>Ray

Re: Used Cobalt or Accent
 

"nothermark" <nothermark@not.here> wrote in message
> One
> of the guys I work with bought an Accord. He's around 60K and talking
> about the $1000 shop charge for his next maintenace cycle. Go figure.
>
> Oh, and yes, we drive a lot. Service business.

Having that service done is, of course going to prolong the life of the car.
OTOH, not having some of the functions done may have very little effect on
the life of the car. No way would I ever follow the dealer's
recommendations. They are a profit center, not just a booster for your
driving comfort. Most important single thing you can do is change the oil
at the proper interval. If you drive a lot, that is probably 7500 miles.

Re: Used Cobalt or Accent
 

Well, I'll take some nervous solace in the "Lowest Cost to Own" glyphic that
Edmund's put on the Honda Fit.
I hope to god they figgered in Honda maintenance. :)
I'll proly have my local very honest guy do the service/assessments.

I used to thank god I wadn't born in the feudal lords/pirate days, cuz I
didn't think I could cope.
Instead, today we have NYS and their bevy of regulatory agencies, including
the out-of-control DMV, and car mfr's/dealerships.

Bluebeard is looking kind of tame....

Time for another tea party?
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"nothermark" <nothermark@not.here> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 30 May 2007 18:56:14 -0400, "Proctologically Violated©®"
> <entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net> wrote:
>
>>A "scheduled rebuild" in what way? Replacement of more parts than other
>>makes?
>>Which parts?
>>Does this imply poor construction?
>>Is this scheduled rebuild on Honda's or the owner's dime?
>
> owner's dime. It's the basic bitch I have heard from every Honda
> owner I know. Pull their maintenance schedule for a source. As I
> understand it they replace a lot of pars proactively. That said, I
> was looking at Accord last year and they were advertising no
> maintenance for the first 100,000 miles so they are doing something
> about it. I jut couldn't stand the car so I bought my Elantra. One
> of the guys I work with bought an Accord. He's around 60K and talking
> about the $1000 shop charge for his next maintenace cycle. Go figure.
>
> Oh, and yes, we drive a lot. Service business.