Re: Waxing new car ... Questions
 

On 31 Aug 2005 08:54:38 -0700, fake.e-mail@stonyx.com wrote:

>I'm picking up my brand new car tonight (2006 Hyundai Elantra VE 5 Door
>in Midnight Blue) and I'd like to baby it a bit, so I'm hoping to give
>it a good waxing this weekend. I've got a few questions though. First
>off, the brands that I have access to are Mothers, Meguiar's, Eagle
>One, Turtle Wax, Simoniz, DuPont, and NuFinish. I've looked around and
>other brands are pretty hard for me to get, so no point in recommending
>them ...

Well you have access to the Internet, obviously, so the product I use
and recommend is available to you there. Some may consider this
heresy, but I use a product called Perma Shield. It is a polymer
Teflon formula. It gives a glassy VERY high shine and is as easy to
use a regular wax, easier, actually, and lasts for a very long time.

I recently sold a 1993 Nissan Pickup that was a true red, which, as I
sure you know, is a color that normally oxidizes worse than any other.
That truck was never garaged a single day, in a hot, bright inland
Southern California climate. I would put a coat of Perma Shield on the
truck maybe once a year. When I sold it the finish looked like new.
Normally when you wax a red vehicle, even one taken care of fairly
well, you will see some red color on the cloth as it takes off some
oxidized paint. On that Nissan the was simply no red, there was NO
apparent oxidation.

Oh well, I am raving on, sorry. This is one product I would do a
commercial for if asked. And I have NO connection to the company.

If interested you can go to the Perma Shield site at
www.permashield.net.

Good luck with your new car. I am driving a 2004 Sonata LX and could
not be happier with it.

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I was only suggesting it as a one time cleanup, not a regular practice.
Haven't done it myself, although if I'm going to do bodywork on a car
I use dish soap for the first wash to get all the wax off so it doesn't
load up my sandpaper. Maybe a clay bar would be better for a new car
then...?

nate

James C. Reeves wrote:
> At least the dish soaps of the 1960's and 1970's sure did...it dulls the
> finish fairly quickly. I haven't used dish soap for 25 years...been afraid
> to.
>
>
> "kaboom" <kaboomicus@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:4315ee23.12671281@news.snet.sbcglobal.net...
> > On 31 Aug 2005 10:24:34 -0700, "N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>kaboom wrote:
> >>> On 31 Aug 2005 09:21:31 -0700, "N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >you shoudn't need to use a cleaner or cleaner wax on a new car. Just
> >>> >wash it well with dish soap and wax with the wax of your choice.
> >>>
> >>> **Do NOT or ever use dish soap. That aside, you probably don't need to
> >>> wax your new car just yet though I would wax it in Oct or Nov just
> >>> before winter. Also, don't use Armor All inside.
> >>
> >>I agree in general, but what's the harm if you're going to wax
> >>immediately? It will clean more thoroughly than regular car wash.
> >
> > **It'll trash the paint. I've seen it firsthand as a lady who lived
> > below me at one time, used Joy on her Miata. I've never seen a car
> > that was a couple of years old with a paint job so darn bad on it.
> > Completely dull (it looked like bare matte finish paint...really
> > weird) and scratched to hell. I've only seen paint like that on cars
> > that've been in junkyards. Car wash liquid is cheap and, at this
> > point, he probably doesn't need anything 'gritty' to clean his car.
> >
> > kaboomicus

Re: Waxing new car ... Questions
 

On 1 Sep 2005 07:17:03 -0700, "N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I was only suggesting it as a one time cleanup, not a regular practice.
> Haven't done it myself, although if I'm going to do bodywork on a car
>I use dish soap for the first wash to get all the wax off so it doesn't
>load up my sandpaper. Maybe a clay bar would be better for a new car
>then...?

**Afternoon, Nate :) I think a clay bar would be good. The clear coat
is actually an extraordinarily thin layer, a detailer described it as:
Imagine Saran Wrap stretched incredibly tightly over your thumb nail.
I don't think cars of today can handle dish soap. Even though I don't
think Harry needs to clay bar as of yet (he should've gotten the car
already detailed), a clay bar is a great idea. I had forgotten about
that, thanks Nate.

kaboomie

Re: Waxing new car ... Questions
 

Clay Bar is only to be used for cleaning dirt that's imbedded in the
paint. It's very time consuming and not needed for a brand new vehicle

Re: Waxing new car ... Questions
 

> "Hurricane1000" wrote:
> Clay Bar is only to be used for cleaning dirt that's imbedded in the
> paint. It's very time consuming and not needed for a brand new vehicle

Not necessarily. My new car (then Saturn) had what they call "Rail Dust" in
the paint. The car had some sort of protective film (Cosmoline?) on it, but
it wasn't enough. The dust kicked up by the train actually imbedded little
metal particles that looked like rust spots in the paint. If left too long,
they would have yellowed the paint around the imbedded particles (white
car). Dealer had to clay and glaze the whole car. No doubt junk falls in
the cars while on the truck car-haulers as well. This is noted in some of
GM's SRs to the dealers as well.

B~

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"N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> you shoudn't need to use a cleaner or cleaner wax on a new car. Just
> wash it well with dish soap and wax with the wax of your choice.
>
Nate, you have quite a large collection of classic cars
to still think that dish soap is a suitable car wash agent.

Dish soap has harsh detergents in it (to lift grease out of your way)
that are way to harsh to use on your car if you want to have
any sort of wax remain on the paint for more that six or eight car washes.

Use any brand of car wash soap, and use alot of it to lift the dirt
away from the finish as you wash.

Bernard

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dish soap also strips away the natural oils of the paint finnish
"Bernard Farquart" <bernardfarquart@removehotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1125505291.636583.174340@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> you shoudn't need to use a cleaner or cleaner wax on a new car. Just
>> wash it well with dish soap and wax with the wax of your choice.
>>
> Nate, you have quite a large collection of classic cars
> to still think that dish soap is a suitable car wash agent.
>
> Dish soap has harsh detergents in it (to lift grease out of your way)
> that are way to harsh to use on your car if you want to have
> any sort of wax remain on the paint for more that six or eight car washes.
>
> Use any brand of car wash soap, and use alot of it to lift the dirt
> away from the finish as you wash.
>
> Bernard
>
>
>

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'Just wash it well with dish soap and wax with the wax of your choice.
nate'

Reply: DO NOT use dish soap ; it takes the wax off of the car. Use
proper Car Wash like Turtle Wax concentrated Car Wash. According to a
comprehensive study done, the 2 top leading Waxes are : P21S and Zaino
P21S outshined Zaino by a tad, but, Zaino was the most durable. Both
cannot be store bought. These are what Classic Car finatics use . Go to
www.zainobros.com for more info and pics on what a car looks like
after applying this product. Its not cheap, but the shine and
durability is really incredible.

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i really like my meguires gold glass/class for clear coats, blue polly is
good too
"Dave in Lake Villa" <DaveInLakeVilla@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> 'Just wash it well with dish soap and wax with the wax of your choice.
> nate'
>
> Reply: DO NOT use dish soap ; it takes the wax off of the car. Use
> proper Car Wash like Turtle Wax concentrated Car Wash. According to a
> comprehensive study done, the 2 top leading Waxes are : P21S and Zaino
> P21S outshined Zaino by a tad, but, Zaino was the most durable. Both
> cannot be store bought. These are what Classic Car finatics use . Go to
> www.zainobros.com for more info and pics on what a car looks like
> after applying this product. Its not cheap, but the shine and
> durability is really incredible.
>

Re: Waxing new car ... Questions
 

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:02:36 -0700, "wtrplnet" <wd12@YOUKNOWTHEDRILLexcite.com> wrote:

>First, never, ever, use dish soap as was recommended above. It will RUIN
>your paint.
>
>Unless your car has been sitting in a storage yard for a long time it
>shouldn't need any sort of cleaner or compound to prep before waxing. Wash
>it using a soap designed specifically for washing cars.
>
>A few years back Consumer Reports tested all kinds of car waxes. Nu Finish
>got the highest rating, it's also a lot less expensive than the more exotic
>brands. Nothing against Meguires, Mothers or others, just that a new car
>shouldn't need any special care products.
>


I use Nu Finish, only.
Excellent results on my 2000 Saturn (finish like new)
and my 2004 Sonata.

True, use a soap designed for cars ONLY.
Strong soaps will ruin your finish, it's too harsh.
I learned the hard way. : (

Brian

Re: Waxing new car ... Questions
 

On 31 Aug 2005 10:24:34 -0700, "N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I agree in general, but what's the harm if you're going to wax
>immediately? It will clean more thoroughly than regular car wash.


Ummm.. waxing and washing are two differsnt things?

Brian

Re: Waxing new car ... Questions
 

'Ummm.. waxing and washing are two differsnt things?
Brian'

Reply: Yes indeed. Washing is removing the loose dirt on a cars surface
; waxing is protecting the surface once its cleaned. Actually, to do it
correctly, one should use a special Clay Bar after the washing and
before the waxing ; a Clay Bar removes deeply engrained road grime and
other fine debris and makes the surface extremely smooth .

Re: Waxing new car ... Questions
 

I have also just picked up a brand new 2005 Elantra SE and would like to
know what I should do to protect the dash and the seats.

I read that some don't like Armour All. Any other suggestions?

The last new car I use 3M ScotchGuard on the seats and carpet. Any
suggestions?

Thx!

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i use formula 2001, comes in a bright green bottle

"Alan B" <notachance@hereIam> wrote in message
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>I have also just picked up a brand new 2005 Elantra SE and would like to
>know what I should do to protect the dash and the seats.
>
> I read that some don't like Armour All. Any other suggestions?
>
> The last new car I use 3M ScotchGuard on the seats and carpet. Any
> suggestions?
>
> Thx!
>

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N8N wrote:

> > >Just
> > >wash it well with dish soap and wax with the wax of your choice.

> It will clean more thoroughly than regular car wash.

You want to tell that to my wife, who *formulates them*?

No; it doesn't clean more thoroughly and it isn't formulated to remove
stuff like bug gutz, manure splatter, & asphalt/tar residue. Just buy
the Kit Car Wash and leave the Dawn in the kitchen.
--
C.R. Krieger
(Who gets it free.)