Wheels/Snow Tires
10-25-2006, 05:05 PM
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Re: Wheels/Snow Tires
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
>
>>I believe the claim was that in messy conditions a FWD car is better than
>>a 4WD truck. I don't believe that at all. I have two FWD vehicles and a
>>4WD pickup. I'll drive the pickup over the FWD cars any day on a snow
>>covered or slushy road. The truck is heavier and less affected by slush.
>
>
> There are so many combinations of pickups and FWD vehicles that is just not
> possible to make a general statement that one is better than the other. .
Yes, that is true to a large degree, however, some generalizations can
be made, particularly in slushy conditions. I've driven everything from
VW Beetles (the original ones!) to tractor-trailers. A heavier vehicle
is almost always better in slush than a lighter one. A tractor trailer
can drive through 4" of slush and not even know it is on the road from a
stability perspective. My pickup handles 2" with ease. My Beetles got
skittish in 1/2" of slush.
Matt
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
>
>>I believe the claim was that in messy conditions a FWD car is better than
>>a 4WD truck. I don't believe that at all. I have two FWD vehicles and a
>>4WD pickup. I'll drive the pickup over the FWD cars any day on a snow
>>covered or slushy road. The truck is heavier and less affected by slush.
>
>
> There are so many combinations of pickups and FWD vehicles that is just not
> possible to make a general statement that one is better than the other. .
Yes, that is true to a large degree, however, some generalizations can
be made, particularly in slushy conditions. I've driven everything from
VW Beetles (the original ones!) to tractor-trailers. A heavier vehicle
is almost always better in slush than a lighter one. A tractor trailer
can drive through 4" of slush and not even know it is on the road from a
stability perspective. My pickup handles 2" with ease. My Beetles got
skittish in 1/2" of slush.
Matt
10-25-2006, 05:09 PM
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Re: Wheels/Snow Tires
Brian Nystrom wrote:
> Richard Dreyfuss wrote:
>
>> "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in
>> news:jhJ%g.4228$Wp3.1126@trndny05:
>>
>>> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
>>>
>>>> I believe the claim was that in messy conditions a FWD car is
>>>> better than a 4WD truck. I don't believe that at all. I have two
>>>> FWD vehicles and a 4WD pickup. I'll drive the pickup over the FWD
>>>> cars any day on a snow covered or slushy road. The truck is
>>>> heavier and less affected by slush.
>>>
>>> There are so many combinations of pickups and FWD vehicles that is
>>> just not possible to make a general statement that one is better
>>> than the other. .
>>
>>
>> Not really taking a side here, just an anecdote. My old pickup with
>> part-time 4wd used to take technique to drive in the snow. Since
>> there was no differential in the transfer case, the front and rear
>> wheels were driven the same distance all the time. Any give between
>> the two came from wheel slippage. Thus, it was bad to use on dry
>> pavement. Also, on snow covered pavement, it was usually the front
>> wheels that would slide in a turn. Not a terrible out of control
>> thing, it was just that it really wanted to go straight instead of
>> turning. It could shift on the fly, so I got fairly adept at using
>> 4wd to get up to speed, and going back into rwd to make a corner, then
>> getting back into 4wd. With a stickshift truck it looked like a lot
>> of work, but it worked well.
>>
>> I preferred the part time 4wd though, because I used to off-road a
>> little, and at the time many full time systems with a differential in
>> the middle didn't have a lock. You could have your front wheels on
>> dry ground and your back wheels in mud, and your back wheels would
>> spin with the front not doing much.
>
>
> These are the types of systems I was referring to, though perhaps
> they're not what Matt and Edwin have. In addition to what Ben said,
> these systems also tend to increase stopping distance in slippery
> conditions.
I have a part-time shift-on-the-fly system in my K1500. It steers fine
in snow. The only time I notice the slippage front to rear is making a
full lock turn at slow speed. Anything above 20 MPH it simply isn't
even noticeable if the traction is poor enough to need to be in 4WD.
Why do you think they increase stopping distance? Mine stops the same
or even slightly shorter in 4WD. The reason is that the solid center
differential and locking rear axle act like a poor man's ABS. It makes
it hard to lock the wheels as you have to lock at least three of them.
> Let's also keep in mind that there are significant differences between
> "real" 4WD pickup trucks and truck-based SUVs. I would expect that the
> former would be good in snow, assuming they had enough weight in the
> back and the more aggressive tires that are typical. OTOH, when you try
> to "civilize" the platform for SUV use, you give up performance for
> comfort.
True, but even with the lesser performance, you are still ahead of FWD cars.
Matt
> Richard Dreyfuss wrote:
>
>> "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in
>> news:jhJ%g.4228$Wp3.1126@trndny05:
>>
>>> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
>>>
>>>> I believe the claim was that in messy conditions a FWD car is
>>>> better than a 4WD truck. I don't believe that at all. I have two
>>>> FWD vehicles and a 4WD pickup. I'll drive the pickup over the FWD
>>>> cars any day on a snow covered or slushy road. The truck is
>>>> heavier and less affected by slush.
>>>
>>> There are so many combinations of pickups and FWD vehicles that is
>>> just not possible to make a general statement that one is better
>>> than the other. .
>>
>>
>> Not really taking a side here, just an anecdote. My old pickup with
>> part-time 4wd used to take technique to drive in the snow. Since
>> there was no differential in the transfer case, the front and rear
>> wheels were driven the same distance all the time. Any give between
>> the two came from wheel slippage. Thus, it was bad to use on dry
>> pavement. Also, on snow covered pavement, it was usually the front
>> wheels that would slide in a turn. Not a terrible out of control
>> thing, it was just that it really wanted to go straight instead of
>> turning. It could shift on the fly, so I got fairly adept at using
>> 4wd to get up to speed, and going back into rwd to make a corner, then
>> getting back into 4wd. With a stickshift truck it looked like a lot
>> of work, but it worked well.
>>
>> I preferred the part time 4wd though, because I used to off-road a
>> little, and at the time many full time systems with a differential in
>> the middle didn't have a lock. You could have your front wheels on
>> dry ground and your back wheels in mud, and your back wheels would
>> spin with the front not doing much.
>
>
> These are the types of systems I was referring to, though perhaps
> they're not what Matt and Edwin have. In addition to what Ben said,
> these systems also tend to increase stopping distance in slippery
> conditions.
I have a part-time shift-on-the-fly system in my K1500. It steers fine
in snow. The only time I notice the slippage front to rear is making a
full lock turn at slow speed. Anything above 20 MPH it simply isn't
even noticeable if the traction is poor enough to need to be in 4WD.
Why do you think they increase stopping distance? Mine stops the same
or even slightly shorter in 4WD. The reason is that the solid center
differential and locking rear axle act like a poor man's ABS. It makes
it hard to lock the wheels as you have to lock at least three of them.
> Let's also keep in mind that there are significant differences between
> "real" 4WD pickup trucks and truck-based SUVs. I would expect that the
> former would be good in snow, assuming they had enough weight in the
> back and the more aggressive tires that are typical. OTOH, when you try
> to "civilize" the platform for SUV use, you give up performance for
> comfort.
True, but even with the lesser performance, you are still ahead of FWD cars.
Matt
10-25-2006, 11:48 PM
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Re: Wheels/Snow Tires
"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> Let's also keep in mind that there are significant differences between
> "real" 4WD pickup trucks and truck-based SUVs. I would expect that the
> former would be good in snow, assuming they had enough weight in the
> back and the more aggressive tires that are typical. OTOH, when you try
> to "civilize" the platform for SUV use, you give up performance for
comfort.
A little more explanation would be helpful Brian. A Blazer for example,
uses the exact same type of power train as its "real" 4WD pickup relative
does. Now, some of the import "SUV's" may be a different story - never
really looked to see what they had for a power train.
--
-Mike-
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10-26-2006, 06:59 AM
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Re: Wheels/Snow Tires
Matt Whiting wrote:
> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>
>> Richard Dreyfuss wrote:
>>
>>> "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in
>>> news:jhJ%g.4228$Wp3.1126@trndny05:
>>>
>>>> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> I believe the claim was that in messy conditions a FWD car is
>>>>> better than a 4WD truck. I don't believe that at all. I have two
>>>>> FWD vehicles and a 4WD pickup. I'll drive the pickup over the FWD
>>>>> cars any day on a snow covered or slushy road. The truck is
>>>>> heavier and less affected by slush.
>>>>
>>>> There are so many combinations of pickups and FWD vehicles that is
>>>> just not possible to make a general statement that one is better
>>>> than the other. .
>>>
>>>
>>> Not really taking a side here, just an anecdote. My old pickup with
>>> part-time 4wd used to take technique to drive in the snow. Since
>>> there was no differential in the transfer case, the front and rear
>>> wheels were driven the same distance all the time. Any give between
>>> the two came from wheel slippage. Thus, it was bad to use on dry
>>> pavement. Also, on snow covered pavement, it was usually the front
>>> wheels that would slide in a turn. Not a terrible out of control
>>> thing, it was just that it really wanted to go straight instead of
>>> turning. It could shift on the fly, so I got fairly adept at using
>>> 4wd to get up to speed, and going back into rwd to make a corner,
>>> then getting back into 4wd. With a stickshift truck it looked like
>>> a lot of work, but it worked well.
>>>
>>> I preferred the part time 4wd though, because I used to off-road a
>>> little, and at the time many full time systems with a differential in
>>> the middle didn't have a lock. You could have your front wheels on
>>> dry ground and your back wheels in mud, and your back wheels would
>>> spin with the front not doing much.
>>
>>
>> These are the types of systems I was referring to, though perhaps
>> they're not what Matt and Edwin have. In addition to what Ben said,
>> these systems also tend to increase stopping distance in slippery
>> conditions.
>
> I have a part-time shift-on-the-fly system in my K1500. It steers fine
> in snow. The only time I notice the slippage front to rear is making a
> full lock turn at slow speed. Anything above 20 MPH it simply isn't
> even noticeable if the traction is poor enough to need to be in 4WD.
>
> Why do you think they increase stopping distance?
I've read studies that indicated that they increase stopping distance
and adversely affect handling compared to 2WD versions of the same vehicle.
> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>
>> Richard Dreyfuss wrote:
>>
>>> "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in
>>> news:jhJ%g.4228$Wp3.1126@trndny05:
>>>
>>>> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> I believe the claim was that in messy conditions a FWD car is
>>>>> better than a 4WD truck. I don't believe that at all. I have two
>>>>> FWD vehicles and a 4WD pickup. I'll drive the pickup over the FWD
>>>>> cars any day on a snow covered or slushy road. The truck is
>>>>> heavier and less affected by slush.
>>>>
>>>> There are so many combinations of pickups and FWD vehicles that is
>>>> just not possible to make a general statement that one is better
>>>> than the other. .
>>>
>>>
>>> Not really taking a side here, just an anecdote. My old pickup with
>>> part-time 4wd used to take technique to drive in the snow. Since
>>> there was no differential in the transfer case, the front and rear
>>> wheels were driven the same distance all the time. Any give between
>>> the two came from wheel slippage. Thus, it was bad to use on dry
>>> pavement. Also, on snow covered pavement, it was usually the front
>>> wheels that would slide in a turn. Not a terrible out of control
>>> thing, it was just that it really wanted to go straight instead of
>>> turning. It could shift on the fly, so I got fairly adept at using
>>> 4wd to get up to speed, and going back into rwd to make a corner,
>>> then getting back into 4wd. With a stickshift truck it looked like
>>> a lot of work, but it worked well.
>>>
>>> I preferred the part time 4wd though, because I used to off-road a
>>> little, and at the time many full time systems with a differential in
>>> the middle didn't have a lock. You could have your front wheels on
>>> dry ground and your back wheels in mud, and your back wheels would
>>> spin with the front not doing much.
>>
>>
>> These are the types of systems I was referring to, though perhaps
>> they're not what Matt and Edwin have. In addition to what Ben said,
>> these systems also tend to increase stopping distance in slippery
>> conditions.
>
> I have a part-time shift-on-the-fly system in my K1500. It steers fine
> in snow. The only time I notice the slippage front to rear is making a
> full lock turn at slow speed. Anything above 20 MPH it simply isn't
> even noticeable if the traction is poor enough to need to be in 4WD.
>
> Why do you think they increase stopping distance?
I've read studies that indicated that they increase stopping distance
and adversely affect handling compared to 2WD versions of the same vehicle.
10-26-2006, 09:58 AM
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Re: Wheels/Snow Tires
"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> I've read studies that indicated that they increase stopping distance
> and adversely affect handling compared to 2WD versions of the same
vehicle.
I would bet that is due to the added weight of the 4WD.
--
-Mike-
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10-26-2006, 10:58 AM
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Re: Wheels/Snow Tires
Yup used to do alot of snowmobileing in Happy Valley. Im originally from
Central Square, lived there for 23 years then moved down Rt 49 where 49
comes into Rt 3, now I have given up on all the poopy weather and now live
in Las Vegas, its nice not having to shovel all that white stuff but here we
have to deal with above 100* summer days Oh Well such is life in the big
city.
']['unez
"Mike Marlow" <mmarlow@alltel.net> wrote in message
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>
> "']['unez" <tunez1@***.net> wrote in message
> news:qhb%g.1962$BC6.896@fed1read01...
>>
>> Mike, 300" of snow per year, Im assumeing you must live in the Redfield/
> Tug
>> Hill area. I lived in the Fulton/Mexico area for more years than I care
>> to
>> remember and thats the only places that get that much snow EVERY FREAKIN
>> YEAR !!!!!!!!!!
>>
>
> The edge of it. Hastings/Parish. I generalize about the area in posts
> like
> this because it does represent the typical driving conditions we encounter
> during the winter. I probably receive somewhat less snow than Redfield in
> any given storm, but we are not that far off seasonally. I spend alot of
> time on the road within the Tug Hill area though. The entire Hill
> averages
> closer to 300" than 200" most years. The last few sure have not been that
> heavy though. I know that we do get a lot more than Fulton gets in any
> given snowfall. It's funny how it goes (as you probably know) - it's like
> there is a wall where all of a sudden the snow starts and it's like you
> entered another zone on the planet.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
>
>
10-26-2006, 01:57 PM
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Re: Wheels/Snow Tires
Mike Marlow wrote:
> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:9y00h.8575$ke4.7578@trndny02...
>
>> I've read studies that indicated that they increase stopping distance
>> and adversely affect handling compared to 2WD versions of the same
> vehicle.
>
> I would bet that is due to the added weight of the 4WD.
That and also some effects from locked differentials.
> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:9y00h.8575$ke4.7578@trndny02...
>
>> I've read studies that indicated that they increase stopping distance
>> and adversely affect handling compared to 2WD versions of the same
> vehicle.
>
> I would bet that is due to the added weight of the 4WD.
That and also some effects from locked differentials.
10-26-2006, 06:06 PM
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Re: Wheels/Snow Tires
Mike Marlow wrote:
> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:tFN%g.11285$iM2.6122@trndny08...
>
>
>>Let's also keep in mind that there are significant differences between
>>"real" 4WD pickup trucks and truck-based SUVs. I would expect that the
>>former would be good in snow, assuming they had enough weight in the
>>back and the more aggressive tires that are typical. OTOH, when you try
>>to "civilize" the platform for SUV use, you give up performance for
>
> comfort.
>
> A little more explanation would be helpful Brian. A Blazer for example,
> uses the exact same type of power train as its "real" 4WD pickup relative
> does. Now, some of the import "SUV's" may be a different story - never
> really looked to see what they had for a power train.
Isn't the Blazer based on the S-10 pickup? That isn't a real pickup!
:-) That is a mini-pickup.
Matt
> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:tFN%g.11285$iM2.6122@trndny08...
>
>
>>Let's also keep in mind that there are significant differences between
>>"real" 4WD pickup trucks and truck-based SUVs. I would expect that the
>>former would be good in snow, assuming they had enough weight in the
>>back and the more aggressive tires that are typical. OTOH, when you try
>>to "civilize" the platform for SUV use, you give up performance for
>
> comfort.
>
> A little more explanation would be helpful Brian. A Blazer for example,
> uses the exact same type of power train as its "real" 4WD pickup relative
> does. Now, some of the import "SUV's" may be a different story - never
> really looked to see what they had for a power train.
Isn't the Blazer based on the S-10 pickup? That isn't a real pickup!
:-) That is a mini-pickup.
Matt
10-26-2006, 06:07 PM
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Re: Wheels/Snow Tires
Brian Nystrom wrote:
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>>
>>> Richard Dreyfuss wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in
>>>> news:jhJ%g.4228$Wp3.1126@trndny05:
>>>>
>>>>> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe the claim was that in messy conditions a FWD car is
>>>>>> better than a 4WD truck. I don't believe that at all. I have two
>>>>>> FWD vehicles and a 4WD pickup. I'll drive the pickup over the FWD
>>>>>> cars any day on a snow covered or slushy road. The truck is
>>>>>> heavier and less affected by slush.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There are so many combinations of pickups and FWD vehicles that is
>>>>> just not possible to make a general statement that one is better
>>>>> than the other. .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not really taking a side here, just an anecdote. My old pickup with
>>>> part-time 4wd used to take technique to drive in the snow. Since
>>>> there was no differential in the transfer case, the front and rear
>>>> wheels were driven the same distance all the time. Any give between
>>>> the two came from wheel slippage. Thus, it was bad to use on dry
>>>> pavement. Also, on snow covered pavement, it was usually the front
>>>> wheels that would slide in a turn. Not a terrible out of control
>>>> thing, it was just that it really wanted to go straight instead of
>>>> turning. It could shift on the fly, so I got fairly adept at using
>>>> 4wd to get up to speed, and going back into rwd to make a corner,
>>>> then getting back into 4wd. With a stickshift truck it looked like
>>>> a lot of work, but it worked well.
>>>>
>>>> I preferred the part time 4wd though, because I used to off-road a
>>>> little, and at the time many full time systems with a differential
>>>> in the middle didn't have a lock. You could have your front wheels
>>>> on dry ground and your back wheels in mud, and your back wheels
>>>> would spin with the front not doing much.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> These are the types of systems I was referring to, though perhaps
>>> they're not what Matt and Edwin have. In addition to what Ben said,
>>> these systems also tend to increase stopping distance in slippery
>>> conditions.
>>
>>
>> I have a part-time shift-on-the-fly system in my K1500. It steers
>> fine in snow. The only time I notice the slippage front to rear is
>> making a full lock turn at slow speed. Anything above 20 MPH it
>> simply isn't even noticeable if the traction is poor enough to need to
>> be in 4WD.
>>
>> Why do you think they increase stopping distance?
>
>
> I've read studies that indicated that they increase stopping distance
> and adversely affect handling compared to 2WD versions of the same vehicle.
Can you point me to one? I've never seen such a study or suggestion
that this would be the case. It certainly doesn't correlate to my
exerience and I can't think of a technical reason why it would be the case.
Matt
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>>
>>> Richard Dreyfuss wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in
>>>> news:jhJ%g.4228$Wp3.1126@trndny05:
>>>>
>>>>> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe the claim was that in messy conditions a FWD car is
>>>>>> better than a 4WD truck. I don't believe that at all. I have two
>>>>>> FWD vehicles and a 4WD pickup. I'll drive the pickup over the FWD
>>>>>> cars any day on a snow covered or slushy road. The truck is
>>>>>> heavier and less affected by slush.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There are so many combinations of pickups and FWD vehicles that is
>>>>> just not possible to make a general statement that one is better
>>>>> than the other. .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not really taking a side here, just an anecdote. My old pickup with
>>>> part-time 4wd used to take technique to drive in the snow. Since
>>>> there was no differential in the transfer case, the front and rear
>>>> wheels were driven the same distance all the time. Any give between
>>>> the two came from wheel slippage. Thus, it was bad to use on dry
>>>> pavement. Also, on snow covered pavement, it was usually the front
>>>> wheels that would slide in a turn. Not a terrible out of control
>>>> thing, it was just that it really wanted to go straight instead of
>>>> turning. It could shift on the fly, so I got fairly adept at using
>>>> 4wd to get up to speed, and going back into rwd to make a corner,
>>>> then getting back into 4wd. With a stickshift truck it looked like
>>>> a lot of work, but it worked well.
>>>>
>>>> I preferred the part time 4wd though, because I used to off-road a
>>>> little, and at the time many full time systems with a differential
>>>> in the middle didn't have a lock. You could have your front wheels
>>>> on dry ground and your back wheels in mud, and your back wheels
>>>> would spin with the front not doing much.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> These are the types of systems I was referring to, though perhaps
>>> they're not what Matt and Edwin have. In addition to what Ben said,
>>> these systems also tend to increase stopping distance in slippery
>>> conditions.
>>
>>
>> I have a part-time shift-on-the-fly system in my K1500. It steers
>> fine in snow. The only time I notice the slippage front to rear is
>> making a full lock turn at slow speed. Anything above 20 MPH it
>> simply isn't even noticeable if the traction is poor enough to need to
>> be in 4WD.
>>
>> Why do you think they increase stopping distance?
>
>
> I've read studies that indicated that they increase stopping distance
> and adversely affect handling compared to 2WD versions of the same vehicle.
Can you point me to one? I've never seen such a study or suggestion
that this would be the case. It certainly doesn't correlate to my
exerience and I can't think of a technical reason why it would be the case.
Matt
10-26-2006, 06:08 PM
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Re: Wheels/Snow Tires
Mike Marlow wrote:
> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:9y00h.8575$ke4.7578@trndny02...
>
>
>>I've read studies that indicated that they increase stopping distance
>>and adversely affect handling compared to 2WD versions of the same
>
> vehicle.
>
> I would bet that is due to the added weight of the 4WD.
>
That is possible, however, extra weight generally also increases
traction and largely offsets the inertial factor.
Matt
> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:9y00h.8575$ke4.7578@trndny02...
>
>
>>I've read studies that indicated that they increase stopping distance
>>and adversely affect handling compared to 2WD versions of the same
>
> vehicle.
>
> I would bet that is due to the added weight of the 4WD.
>
That is possible, however, extra weight generally also increases
traction and largely offsets the inertial factor.
Matt
10-26-2006, 06:09 PM
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Re: Wheels/Snow Tires
Brian Nystrom wrote:
> Mike Marlow wrote:
>
>> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:9y00h.8575$ke4.7578@trndny02...
>>
>>> I've read studies that indicated that they increase stopping distance
>>> and adversely affect handling compared to 2WD versions of the same
>>
>> vehicle.
>>
>> I would bet that is due to the added weight of the 4WD.
>
>
> That and also some effects from locked differentials.
What affect? The only affect I've seen is beneficial, it prevents the
wheels from locking up separately and losing traction.
Matt
> Mike Marlow wrote:
>
>> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:9y00h.8575$ke4.7578@trndny02...
>>
>>> I've read studies that indicated that they increase stopping distance
>>> and adversely affect handling compared to 2WD versions of the same
>>
>> vehicle.
>>
>> I would bet that is due to the added weight of the 4WD.
>
>
> That and also some effects from locked differentials.
What affect? The only affect I've seen is beneficial, it prevents the
wheels from locking up separately and losing traction.
Matt
10-26-2006, 06:40 PM
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Re: Wheels/Snow Tires
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
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> Isn't the Blazer based on the S-10 pickup? That isn't a real pickup!
> :-) That is a mini-pickup.
>
>
Hey!!! I had an S-10 pickup years ago. It was a great truck. A real
truck... except a bit on the small side.
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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
10-26-2006, 06:50 PM
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Re: Wheels/Snow Tires
Mike Marlow wrote:
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> news:Zja0h.159$Oc.35424@news1.epix.net...
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>>Isn't the Blazer based on the S-10 pickup? That isn't a real pickup!
>>:-) That is a mini-pickup.
>>
>>
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>
> Hey!!! I had an S-10 pickup years ago. It was a great truck. A real
> truck... except a bit on the small side.
Chuckle, yes, it was the size I was referring to... :-)
Matt
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> news:Zja0h.159$Oc.35424@news1.epix.net...
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>
>>Isn't the Blazer based on the S-10 pickup? That isn't a real pickup!
>>:-) That is a mini-pickup.
>>
>>
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>
> Hey!!! I had an S-10 pickup years ago. It was a great truck. A real
> truck... except a bit on the small side.
Chuckle, yes, it was the size I was referring to... :-)
Matt
10-26-2006, 11:08 PM
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Re: Wheels/Snow Tires
Matt Whiting wrote:
> What affect? The only affect I've seen is beneficial, it prevents the
> wheels from locking up separately and losing traction.
Hmm... I dunno about snow - but on the sandy-dirt roads around here I'm
much better off giving the e-brake a yank when the ABS kicks on during a
panic stop... I wouldn't suggest that maneuver on dry pavement though
JS
> What affect? The only affect I've seen is beneficial, it prevents the
> wheels from locking up separately and losing traction.
Hmm... I dunno about snow - but on the sandy-dirt roads around here I'm
much better off giving the e-brake a yank when the ABS kicks on during a
panic stop... I wouldn't suggest that maneuver on dry pavement though
JS
10-26-2006, 11:25 PM
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Re: Wheels/Snow Tires
Matt Whiting wrote:
> Mike Marlow wrote:
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>> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:tFN%g.11285$iM2.6122@trndny08...
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>>> Let's also keep in mind that there are significant differences between
>>> "real" 4WD pickup trucks and truck-based SUVs. I would expect that the
>>> former would be good in snow, assuming they had enough weight in the
>>> back and the more aggressive tires that are typical. OTOH, when you try
>>> to "civilize" the platform for SUV use, you give up performance for
>>
>> comfort.
>>
>> A little more explanation would be helpful Brian. A Blazer for example,
>> uses the exact same type of power train as its "real" 4WD pickup relative
>> does. Now, some of the import "SUV's" may be a different story - never
>> really looked to see what they had for a power train.
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> Isn't the Blazer based on the S-10 pickup? That isn't a real pickup!
> :-) That is a mini-pickup.
>
>
> Matt
Well there was a K5 blazer that was based on the half-ton PU model at
the time. Had both full and part time 4WD options. Like a 2-door short
wheelbase Suburban.
JS
> Mike Marlow wrote:
>
>> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:tFN%g.11285$iM2.6122@trndny08...
>>
>>
>>> Let's also keep in mind that there are significant differences between
>>> "real" 4WD pickup trucks and truck-based SUVs. I would expect that the
>>> former would be good in snow, assuming they had enough weight in the
>>> back and the more aggressive tires that are typical. OTOH, when you try
>>> to "civilize" the platform for SUV use, you give up performance for
>>
>> comfort.
>>
>> A little more explanation would be helpful Brian. A Blazer for example,
>> uses the exact same type of power train as its "real" 4WD pickup relative
>> does. Now, some of the import "SUV's" may be a different story - never
>> really looked to see what they had for a power train.
>
> Isn't the Blazer based on the S-10 pickup? That isn't a real pickup!
> :-) That is a mini-pickup.
>
>
> Matt
Well there was a K5 blazer that was based on the half-ton PU model at
the time. Had both full and part time 4WD options. Like a 2-door short
wheelbase Suburban.
JS