Why turn ESC off?
04-10-2007, 09:21 AM
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Re: Why turn ESC off?
<mbleisch@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Mike Marlow is somewhat incorrect - you CAN add ESC to a car already
> with ABS for an additional $110,
Please let us know the JC Whitney catalog or Pep Boys number for that
plug-in part.
04-10-2007, 10:05 AM
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Re: Why turn ESC off?
Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in news:LjKSh.3693$Oc.188758
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> hyundaitech wrote:
>> ESC is actually three separate systems.
>>
>> 1. ABS. This activates only during braking and modulates the fluid
>> pressure to wheels that are starting to lock up.
>>
>> 2. Traction control. This will modulate the ABS, reduce power through
>> the throttle or by cutting fuel, and in some cases upshift the
>> transmission.
>>
>> 3. Stability control. This will momentarily activate the brake (one
>> pulse) on one wheel to cause the vehicle to rotate more in the desired
>> direction.
>>
>
> Are you saying that turning off ESC also disables the ABS? I find that
> hard to believe.
>
> Matt
ABS is not disabled with the ESC off, however it will only work for
braking. The ESC portion of the ABS system is deactivated.
Eric
@news1.epix.net:
> hyundaitech wrote:
>> ESC is actually three separate systems.
>>
>> 1. ABS. This activates only during braking and modulates the fluid
>> pressure to wheels that are starting to lock up.
>>
>> 2. Traction control. This will modulate the ABS, reduce power through
>> the throttle or by cutting fuel, and in some cases upshift the
>> transmission.
>>
>> 3. Stability control. This will momentarily activate the brake (one
>> pulse) on one wheel to cause the vehicle to rotate more in the desired
>> direction.
>>
>
> Are you saying that turning off ESC also disables the ABS? I find that
> hard to believe.
>
> Matt
ABS is not disabled with the ESC off, however it will only work for
braking. The ESC portion of the ABS system is deactivated.
Eric
04-10-2007, 02:14 PM
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Re: Why turn ESC off?
"hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
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>I was pretty sure ESC was standard on the 2007 Elantra. Now I'll need to
> check.
>
It is not shown on the Hyundai web page. Just ABS.
04-10-2007, 05:30 PM
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Re: Why turn ESC off?
Eric G. wrote:
> Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in news:LjKSh.3693$Oc.188758
> @news1.epix.net:
>
>> hyundaitech wrote:
>>> ESC is actually three separate systems.
>>>
>>> 1. ABS. This activates only during braking and modulates the fluid
>>> pressure to wheels that are starting to lock up.
>>>
>>> 2. Traction control. This will modulate the ABS, reduce power through
>>> the throttle or by cutting fuel, and in some cases upshift the
>>> transmission.
>>>
>>> 3. Stability control. This will momentarily activate the brake (one
>>> pulse) on one wheel to cause the vehicle to rotate more in the desired
>>> direction.
>>>
>> Are you saying that turning off ESC also disables the ABS? I find that
>> hard to believe.
>>
>> Matt
>
> ABS is not disabled with the ESC off, however it will only work for
> braking. The ESC portion of the ABS system is deactivated.
ABS is only for braking so that is no surprise. The B in ABS is
braking. :-)
Matt
> Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in news:LjKSh.3693$Oc.188758
> @news1.epix.net:
>
>> hyundaitech wrote:
>>> ESC is actually three separate systems.
>>>
>>> 1. ABS. This activates only during braking and modulates the fluid
>>> pressure to wheels that are starting to lock up.
>>>
>>> 2. Traction control. This will modulate the ABS, reduce power through
>>> the throttle or by cutting fuel, and in some cases upshift the
>>> transmission.
>>>
>>> 3. Stability control. This will momentarily activate the brake (one
>>> pulse) on one wheel to cause the vehicle to rotate more in the desired
>>> direction.
>>>
>> Are you saying that turning off ESC also disables the ABS? I find that
>> hard to believe.
>>
>> Matt
>
> ABS is not disabled with the ESC off, however it will only work for
> braking. The ESC portion of the ABS system is deactivated.
ABS is only for braking so that is no surprise. The B in ABS is
braking. :-)
Matt
04-10-2007, 05:59 PM
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Re: Why turn ESC off?
My wife has an 07 Elantra Limited no ESC or traction control. My
daughter has an Azera (06). Both nice cars am looking forward to the
08(?) RWD Genesis.
hyundaitech wrote:
> I was pretty sure ESC was standard on the 2007 Elantra. Now I'll need to
> check.
>
daughter has an Azera (06). Both nice cars am looking forward to the
08(?) RWD Genesis.
hyundaitech wrote:
> I was pretty sure ESC was standard on the 2007 Elantra. Now I'll need to
> check.
>
04-10-2007, 07:01 PM
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Re: Why turn ESC off?
I believe that ESC is going to be standard for the 08 model (there's a empty
slot on the lower left dash for it on my car), but I needed a car this year,
unfortunately, otherwise I would have waited. The traction control on my
old Saturn was a feature I valued. I will look into this issue. Thanks.
<mbleisch@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Mike Marlow is somewhat incorrect - you CAN add ESC to a car already
> with ABS for an additional $110, I am sure this is manufacturer
> dependent (e.g. check with your dealer). This past Sunday evening
> (4/8/07), 60 Minutes had a segment on ESC and the difference with and
> without this feature. Groups (which groups I do not remember) are
> pushing to have ALL vehicles to have this feature by 2012. 60 Minutes
> did not go into whether or not that $110 was parts only, or parts and
> labor. Fantine - I would do some research. I am somewhat suprised
> that your 07 Elantra doesn't have ESC equipped, I thought it was
> standard for ALL Hyundai models these days.
>
slot on the lower left dash for it on my car), but I needed a car this year,
unfortunately, otherwise I would have waited. The traction control on my
old Saturn was a feature I valued. I will look into this issue. Thanks.
<mbleisch@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1176207773.633698.90850@b75g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
> Mike Marlow is somewhat incorrect - you CAN add ESC to a car already
> with ABS for an additional $110, I am sure this is manufacturer
> dependent (e.g. check with your dealer). This past Sunday evening
> (4/8/07), 60 Minutes had a segment on ESC and the difference with and
> without this feature. Groups (which groups I do not remember) are
> pushing to have ALL vehicles to have this feature by 2012. 60 Minutes
> did not go into whether or not that $110 was parts only, or parts and
> labor. Fantine - I would do some research. I am somewhat suprised
> that your 07 Elantra doesn't have ESC equipped, I thought it was
> standard for ALL Hyundai models these days.
>
04-10-2007, 07:37 PM
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Re: Why turn ESC off?
Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in
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> Eric G. wrote:
>> ABS is not disabled with the ESC off, however it will only work for
>> braking. The ESC portion of the ABS system is deactivated.
>
> ABS is only for braking so that is no surprise. The B in ABS is
> braking. :-)
>
> Matt
I always wondered why it was called ESC. Doesn't that acronym stand for
Electrocic Skid Control? So it is supposed to let you skid, but control
it? I think it should be called ESPS - Electronic Skid Prevention System
:-)
Eric
news:NlTSh.3701$Oc.189152@news1.epix.net:
> Eric G. wrote:
>> ABS is not disabled with the ESC off, however it will only work for
>> braking. The ESC portion of the ABS system is deactivated.
>
> ABS is only for braking so that is no surprise. The B in ABS is
> braking. :-)
>
> Matt
I always wondered why it was called ESC. Doesn't that acronym stand for
Electrocic Skid Control? So it is supposed to let you skid, but control
it? I think it should be called ESPS - Electronic Skid Prevention System
:-)
Eric
04-10-2007, 08:23 PM
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Eric G. wrote:
> Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in
> news:NlTSh.3701$Oc.189152@news1.epix.net:
>
>> Eric G. wrote:
>>> ABS is not disabled with the ESC off, however it will only work for
>>> braking. The ESC portion of the ABS system is deactivated.
>> ABS is only for braking so that is no surprise. The B in ABS is
>> braking. :-)
>>
>> Matt
>
> I always wondered why it was called ESC. Doesn't that acronym stand for
> Electrocic Skid Control? So it is supposed to let you skid, but control
> it? I think it should be called ESPS - Electronic Skid Prevention System
> :-)
Stability, son, Stability Control.
Matt
> Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in
> news:NlTSh.3701$Oc.189152@news1.epix.net:
>
>> Eric G. wrote:
>>> ABS is not disabled with the ESC off, however it will only work for
>>> braking. The ESC portion of the ABS system is deactivated.
>> ABS is only for braking so that is no surprise. The B in ABS is
>> braking. :-)
>>
>> Matt
>
> I always wondered why it was called ESC. Doesn't that acronym stand for
> Electrocic Skid Control? So it is supposed to let you skid, but control
> it? I think it should be called ESPS - Electronic Skid Prevention System
> :-)
Stability, son, Stability Control.
Matt
04-10-2007, 09:25 PM
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Re: Why turn ESC off?
Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in
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> Eric G. wrote:
>> Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in
>> news:NlTSh.3701$Oc.189152@news1.epix.net:
>>
>>> Eric G. wrote:
>>>> ABS is not disabled with the ESC off, however it will only work for
>>>> braking. The ESC portion of the ABS system is deactivated.
>>> ABS is only for braking so that is no surprise. The B in ABS is
>>> braking. :-)
>>>
>>> Matt
>>
>> I always wondered why it was called ESC. Doesn't that acronym stand
>> for Electrocic Skid Control? So it is supposed to let you skid, but
>> control it? I think it should be called ESPS - Electronic Skid
>> Prevention System
>> :-)
>
> Stability, son, Stability Control.
>
> Matt
Ah. Thanks Old Man.
Eric
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> Eric G. wrote:
>> Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in
>> news:NlTSh.3701$Oc.189152@news1.epix.net:
>>
>>> Eric G. wrote:
>>>> ABS is not disabled with the ESC off, however it will only work for
>>>> braking. The ESC portion of the ABS system is deactivated.
>>> ABS is only for braking so that is no surprise. The B in ABS is
>>> braking. :-)
>>>
>>> Matt
>>
>> I always wondered why it was called ESC. Doesn't that acronym stand
>> for Electrocic Skid Control? So it is supposed to let you skid, but
>> control it? I think it should be called ESPS - Electronic Skid
>> Prevention System
>> :-)
>
> Stability, son, Stability Control.
>
> Matt
Ah. Thanks Old Man.
Eric
04-11-2007, 06:22 PM
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Re: Why turn ESC off?
Checked into this today and found out no ESC. My recollection was from new
vehicle orientation class, which was quite some time ago. I was thinking
everything except Accent that was a new design in 2005 or later had ESC.
Now I'm thinking that was probably side curtain air bags.
vehicle orientation class, which was quite some time ago. I was thinking
everything except Accent that was a new design in 2005 or later had ESC.
Now I'm thinking that was probably side curtain air bags.
04-11-2007, 07:26 PM
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Reply to message from "hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> (Wed, 11 Apr
2007 17:22:53) about "Re: Why turn ESC off?":
h> .... I was thinking everything except Accent that was a new design in
h> 2005 or later had ESC. Now I'm thinking that was probably side curtain
h> air bags.
Must have been because my 2005 Tib GTV6 has ABS and no ESC. I would have
liked that.
Best Regards
Wayne Moses <wmoses@houston.rr.com> Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:19:26 -0500
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h> .... I was thinking everything except Accent that was a new design in
h> 2005 or later had ESC. Now I'm thinking that was probably side curtain
h> air bags.
Must have been because my 2005 Tib GTV6 has ABS and no ESC. I would have
liked that.
Best Regards
Wayne Moses <wmoses@houston.rr.com> Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:19:26 -0500
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04-11-2007, 10:45 PM
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Reply to message from "hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> (Wed, 11 Apr
2007 18:43:54) about "Re: Why turn ESC off?":
h> Your Tiburon also hasn't undergone a redesign since the MY 2003
h> introduction.
Point taken. Facelifts and subtle mechanical changes only.
Best Regards
Wayne Moses <wmoses@houston.rr.com> Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:42:01 -0500
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h> Your Tiburon also hasn't undergone a redesign since the MY 2003
h> introduction.
Point taken. Facelifts and subtle mechanical changes only.
Best Regards
Wayne Moses <wmoses@houston.rr.com> Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:42:01 -0500
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