dns564@cs.com

Hi,

I need to move from Colorado to Montreal, Canada. I'll take no
furniture, but a 46" HDTV (150lbs), books (small office - say 5-7 small
shelves of books), clothes. The trailer I'd like to use is the Uhaul 4'
x 6' Trailer (see http://www.uhaul.com/guide/?equipment=trailer4x6). So
if it is 670 lbs when empty, then with my stuff it will be roughly 1000
lbs. Add to that some stuff in the car and no passengers.

Uhaul people say it is OK to do. My dealership said no - do not do tow
a trailer period: bad idea.

I have a 2003 Elantra GT 5door, 2.0l engine, manual, which I like a lot
and want to keep.

I could sell the TV, but my stuff still would not fit in the car. So
I'm considering a trailer and keeping a TV, which can save me some $2K
(it is a nice 46" Hitachi TV 2 year old, works perfect).

Anybody had an experience driving like this for a long distance?
Thank you.

Norman Webb

Don't know about the Elantra but this is what I did with my 1993 Hyundai
Excel, 5 speed, 1.5Litre.
8000 kms (5000 miles) across Australia and back.
Towing small trailer .On board a Honda Spada motor cycle, camping gear for 3
people including eskies, tents, car fridge, portable stoves, spare fuel
,battery and other motor spares, clothes for 3 weeks travel etc.

Two on the trip across and 3 coming back. Speed on open road was 100-110
km/hr ( 60-5 MPH). On last day the temperature outside was 40deg C (100F ??)
so the air con was on full.

Only problem was a bit of brake fade coming through the Alpine Way in the
Snowy Mountains. Used gears to hold on steep bits so it was ok after that.

If you take it easy I can't see that you would have a problem.

Regards

Norm

dns564@cs.com wrote in message
<1130363543.524197.178650@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>...
>Hi,
>
>I need to move from Colorado to Montreal, Canada. I'll take no
>furniture, but a 46" HDTV (150lbs), books (small office - say 5-7 small
>shelves of books), clothes. The trailer I'd like to use is the Uhaul 4'
>x 6' Trailer (see http://www.uhaul.com/guide/?equipment=trailer4x6). So
>if it is 670 lbs when empty, then with my stuff it will be roughly 1000
>lbs. Add to that some stuff in the car and no passengers.
>
>Uhaul people say it is OK to do. My dealership said no - do not do tow
>a trailer period: bad idea.
>
>I have a 2003 Elantra GT 5door, 2.0l engine, manual, which I like a lot
>and want to keep.
>
>I could sell the TV, but my stuff still would not fit in the car. So
>I'm considering a trailer and keeping a TV, which can save me some $2K
>(it is a nice 46" Hitachi TV 2 year old, works perfect).
>
>Anybody had an experience driving like this for a long distance?
>Thank you.
>

dns564@cs.com

Thanks, Norm!

Zeppo

In addition to what Norm said be real careful about how you load the
trailer. Make sure the load is balanced over the trailer axle, not too much
of the weight to the back or front, and tie down the load so it doesn't
shift.

Towed a pop-up for 10 years on my '80 Civic with no problems. 1300 lbs.
loaded on a 1.5L engine.
Jon

"Norman Webb" <tekrec@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:43600d1f$0$8655$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> Don't know about the Elantra but this is what I did with my 1993 Hyundai
> Excel, 5 speed, 1.5Litre.
> 8000 kms (5000 miles) across Australia and back.
> Towing small trailer .On board a Honda Spada motor cycle, camping gear for
3
> people including eskies, tents, car fridge, portable stoves, spare fuel
> ,battery and other motor spares, clothes for 3 weeks travel etc.
>
> Two on the trip across and 3 coming back. Speed on open road was 100-110
> km/hr ( 60-5 MPH). On last day the temperature outside was 40deg C (100F
??)
> so the air con was on full.
>
> Only problem was a bit of brake fade coming through the Alpine Way in the
> Snowy Mountains. Used gears to hold on steep bits so it was ok after that.
>
> If you take it easy I can't see that you would have a problem.
>
> Regards
>
> Norm
>
> dns564@cs.com wrote in message
> <1130363543.524197.178650@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>...
> >Hi,
> >
> >I need to move from Colorado to Montreal, Canada. I'll take no
> >furniture, but a 46" HDTV (150lbs), books (small office - say 5-7 small
> >shelves of books), clothes. The trailer I'd like to use is the Uhaul 4'
> >x 6' Trailer (see http://www.uhaul.com/guide/?equipment=trailer4x6). So
> >if it is 670 lbs when empty, then with my stuff it will be roughly 1000
> >lbs. Add to that some stuff in the car and no passengers.
> >
> >Uhaul people say it is OK to do. My dealership said no - do not do tow
> >a trailer period: bad idea.
> >
> >I have a 2003 Elantra GT 5door, 2.0l engine, manual, which I like a lot
> >and want to keep.
> >
> >I could sell the TV, but my stuff still would not fit in the car. So
> >I'm considering a trailer and keeping a TV, which can save me some $2K
> >(it is a nice 46" Hitachi TV 2 year old, works perfect).
> >
> >Anybody had an experience driving like this for a long distance?
> >Thank you.
> >
>
>

dns564@cs.com

Ok, Jon, thank you.
I'll load it carefully. I was just mostly concern if it will be a
problem for my car to tow a 1000 lbs. Sounds like it should not.
Thanks.

BillyGoat

I think you will be OK for the one trip with a few precautions.
1) Be very carefully with how the hitch is installed, make sure it is
attached to something substantial.
2) Stay out of the top gear (which is probably O.D.), will use a little more
gas but minimize engine/xmission wear.
3) Keep speed down to around 60MPH, keeps down RPMs and controls trailer
better. Stops better also.
4) Keep hitch load to about 10-15% of total. I have even used a bathroom
scales to weigh hitch.
good luck, bill

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<dns564@cs.com> wrote in message
news:1130363543.524197.178650@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Hi,
>
> I need to move from Colorado to Montreal, Canada. I'll take no
> furniture, but a 46" HDTV (150lbs), books (small office - say 5-7 small
> shelves of books), clothes. The trailer I'd like to use is the Uhaul 4'
> x 6' Trailer (see http://www.uhaul.com/guide/?equipment=trailer4x6). So
> if it is 670 lbs when empty, then with my stuff it will be roughly 1000
> lbs. Add to that some stuff in the car and no passengers.
>
> Uhaul people say it is OK to do. My dealership said no - do not do tow
> a trailer period: bad idea.
>
> I have a 2003 Elantra GT 5door, 2.0l engine, manual, which I like a lot
> and want to keep.
>
> I could sell the TV, but my stuff still would not fit in the car. So
> I'm considering a trailer and keeping a TV, which can save me some $2K
> (it is a nice 46" Hitachi TV 2 year old, works perfect).
>
> Anybody had an experience driving like this for a long distance?
> Thank you.
>

dns564@cs.com

"1) Be very carefully with how the hitch is installed, make sure it is
attached to something substantial"

The hitch will be installed by Uhaul. Do you think I should trust their
installation? My dealership will not install a hitch on my Elantra. I
have no idea how hitches have to be installed.

"2) Stay out of the top gear (which is probably O.D.), will use a
little more
gas but minimize engine/xmission wear."

So if I have a 5 speed manual, I should keep it in 4th?

"4) Keep hitch load to about 10-15% of total. I have even used a
bathroom
scales to weigh hitch. "

I do not understand this: What load is total here? So if I plan on
towing 1000 lbs, the hitsh should come for 10,000 lbs load according to
this?

Thank you

hyundaitech

He means how much force is needed to support the hitch of the trailer. So,
if trailer plus load equals 1000 pounds, you'd like the weight at the hitch
to be about 100 to 150 pounds. That's the point of distributing weight as
mentioned by (I believe) Norman above.

JPH

I haven't towed with my Hyundai, but I've towed long distance with
several 4 cylinder cars (all manual except the Dodge Caravan). I noticed
when I was shopping that the Hyundai Elantra (2005) had a high 3086 tow
rating (with brakes, 1,000 without trailer brakes). Don't know if the
2003 is the same, but your owners manual should have the ratings
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/list/...6/article.html

I believe your trailer might have hydraulic brakes, which will help. As
long as you take it easy on acceleration, braking, and turning, you
should do fine. If it seems like the engine is straining, then drop down
to 4th gear.
Adjust the load in your trailer so that the weight is biased slightly
toward the front, so that the tongue weighs between 10%-15% (100-150
pounds if you carry a total 1000 pound weight, trailer plus cargo). The
reason for this is so the trailer doesn't act like a see-saw and cause
the tongue to try to raise the back of your car, while trying to keep
too much weight from pushing the back of your car into the ground and
your headlights into space.
I installed all my hitches except one. U-haul installed that one and it
was done quite well.
Keep in mind that books are a lot heavier than they look. Probably a
good idea to load one box and weigh them on your bathroom scale, then
multiply that by how many boxes they'll fill to get the total weight.

Another option is to buy a trailer kit and build one yourself. These
would be a lot lighter than a U-haul trailer, but you'd have to find a
way to provide protection from the elements. Here's a 4x8 for about
$250. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=90154

I once owned that, and also had this smaller one ($180), which would be
easy to build a plywood box around;
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=90153

I had to sell each of them each time I was shipped overseas with the Air
Force, but now have a boat trailer from the same company for the past 10
years.

1,000 pounds should not be a problem at all.

Good Luck,

John

dns564@cs.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I need to move from Colorado to Montreal, Canada. I'll take no
> furniture, but a 46" HDTV (150lbs), books (small office - say 5-7 small
> shelves of books), clothes. The trailer I'd like to use is the Uhaul 4'
> x 6' Trailer (see http://www.uhaul.com/guide/?equipment=trailer4x6). So
> if it is 670 lbs when empty, then with my stuff it will be roughly 1000
> lbs. Add to that some stuff in the car and no passengers.
>
> Uhaul people say it is OK to do. My dealership said no - do not do tow
> a trailer period: bad idea.
>
> I have a 2003 Elantra GT 5door, 2.0l engine, manual, which I like a lot
> and want to keep.
>
> I could sell the TV, but my stuff still would not fit in the car. So
> I'm considering a trailer and keeping a TV, which can save me some $2K
> (it is a nice 46" Hitachi TV 2 year old, works perfect).
>
> Anybody had an experience driving like this for a long distance?
> Thank you.
>

Jody

my father used to tow the odd car with his 88 excel, no problems at all
<dns564@cs.com> wrote in message
news:1130434305.340067.265960@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Ok, Jon, thank you.
> I'll load it carefully. I was just mostly concern if it will be a
> problem for my car to tow a 1000 lbs. Sounds like it should not.
> Thanks.
>

Brian Nystrom

dns564@cs.com wrote:
> "1) Be very carefully with how the hitch is installed, make sure it is
> attached to something substantial"
>
> The hitch will be installed by Uhaul. Do you think I should trust their
> installation? My dealership will not install a hitch on my Elantra. I
> have no idea how hitches have to be installed.

Is it a hitch that you're buying or a temporary hitch? I would not
recommend the latter, but if you're buying a hitch, by all means let
UHaul install it. Hitches for the Elantra are a straight bolt-on affair.
IIRC, UHaul sells DrawTite hitches, which are quality products.

> "2) Stay out of the top gear (which is probably O.D.), will use a
> little more gas but minimize engine/xmission wear."
>
> So if I have a 5 speed manual, I should keep it in 4th?

That makes no sense to me. You can tell when the engine is straining and
downshift if necessary. It seems silly to me to waste gas by keeping
the car in 4th when it's not necessary.

> "4) Keep hitch load to about 10-15% of total. I have even used a
> bathroom scales to weigh hitch. "
>
> I do not understand this: What load is total here? So if I plan on
> towing 1000 lbs, the hitsh should come for 10,000 lbs load according to
> this?

He's referring to "tongue weight", the amount of downward pressure the
trailer tongue puts on the hitch.

dns564@cs.com

Brian and everyone,

Thank you so much for your help!
Yes, the hitch would be permanent that I'm buying. As a matter of fact,
a week ago I called a Uhaul station in my town, gave them my car info
and told them what I want to do, so they sent me potential hitch
expenses. For some reason the info they sent to me is for a 2001
Hyundai Elantra 4 cyl. 4DR FWD (not my Elantra GT 2003), but I guess
that does not matter. So according to this paper, I need a 24703 -2001
Hyundai Elantra Hitch ($120). With a kit, ball, coverter, hitch and
wiring labor it comes to $261.
One can see this 19-pound hitch at
http://www.etrailer.com/Merchant2/me...uct_Code=24703
..

So you determined that the tongue weight should be 150 lbs for a
1000-pound total weight trailer.
How does one measure this? I guess after I load the trailer, I could
just try to lift the end and estimate it like this or use a bathroom
scale?

Do I need to add any transmission cooler, or this is only for automatic
transmissions?

Thanks again.
Denis

Norman Webb

I forgot to mention

I also have a 92 excel family communal car.

Couple of months ago a friend of my son had to shift a '66 ford falcon. I
didn't think about it till a couple of weeks later when I asked them how
they did it.

You guessed it. They hired a car trailer and towed it with the excel for
about 6 mile. I figure that has to be 2 to 2.5 ton. Reckoned they could
only do about 70kmph.

I'm mad myself but not quite that mad!!



Norman Webb wrote in message
<43600d1f$0$8655$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>...
>Don't know about the Elantra but this is what I did with my 1993 Hyundai
>Excel, 5 speed, 1.5Litre.
>8000 kms (5000 miles) across Australia and back.
>Towing small trailer .On board a Honda Spada motor cycle, camping gear for
3
>people including eskies, tents, car fridge, portable stoves, spare fuel
>,battery and other motor spares, clothes for 3 weeks travel etc.
>
>Two on the trip across and 3 coming back. Speed on open road was 100-110
>km/hr ( 60-5 MPH). On last day the temperature outside was 40deg C (100F
??)
>so the air con was on full.
>
>Only problem was a bit of brake fade coming through the Alpine Way in the
>Snowy Mountains. Used gears to hold on steep bits so it was ok after that.
>
>If you take it easy I can't see that you would have a problem.
>
>Regards
>
>Norm
>
>dns564@cs.com wrote in message
><1130363543.524197.178650@g14g2000cwa.googlegroup s.com>...
>>Hi,
>>
>>I need to move from Colorado to Montreal, Canada. I'll take no
>>furniture, but a 46" HDTV (150lbs), books (small office - say 5-7 small
>>shelves of books), clothes. The trailer I'd like to use is the Uhaul 4'
>>x 6' Trailer (see http://www.uhaul.com/guide/?equipment=trailer4x6). So
>>if it is 670 lbs when empty, then with my stuff it will be roughly 1000
>>lbs. Add to that some stuff in the car and no passengers.
>>
>>Uhaul people say it is OK to do. My dealership said no - do not do tow
>>a trailer period: bad idea.
>>
>>I have a 2003 Elantra GT 5door, 2.0l engine, manual, which I like a lot
>>and want to keep.
>>
>>I could sell the TV, but my stuff still would not fit in the car. So
>>I'm considering a trailer and keeping a TV, which can save me some $2K
>>(it is a nice 46" Hitachi TV 2 year old, works perfect).
>>
>>Anybody had an experience driving like this for a long distance?
>>Thank you.
>>
>
>

Pete & Cindy

Just checked the Hyundai Canada web site and they have a trailer hitch
package listed for an Elantra.. not sure why the US model would be any
different...

Pete...


<dns564@cs.com> wrote in message
news:1130363543.524197.178650@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Hi,
>
> I need to move from Colorado to Montreal, Canada. I'll take no
> furniture, but a 46" HDTV (150lbs), books (small office - say 5-7 small
> shelves of books), clothes. The trailer I'd like to use is the Uhaul 4'
> x 6' Trailer (see http://www.uhaul.com/guide/?equipment=trailer4x6). So
> if it is 670 lbs when empty, then with my stuff it will be roughly 1000
> lbs. Add to that some stuff in the car and no passengers.
>
> Uhaul people say it is OK to do. My dealership said no - do not do tow
> a trailer period: bad idea.
>
> I have a 2003 Elantra GT 5door, 2.0l engine, manual, which I like a lot
> and want to keep.
>
> I could sell the TV, but my stuff still would not fit in the car. So
> I'm considering a trailer and keeping a TV, which can save me some $2K
> (it is a nice 46" Hitachi TV 2 year old, works perfect).
>
> Anybody had an experience driving like this for a long distance?
> Thank you.
>

Brian Nystrom

dns564@cs.com wrote:
> Brian and everyone,
>
> Thank you so much for your help!
> Yes, the hitch would be permanent that I'm buying. As a matter of fact,
> a week ago I called a Uhaul station in my town, gave them my car info
> and told them what I want to do, so they sent me potential hitch
> expenses. For some reason the info they sent to me is for a 2001
> Hyundai Elantra 4 cyl. 4DR FWD (not my Elantra GT 2003), but I guess
> that does not matter. So according to this paper, I need a 24703 -2001
> Hyundai Elantra Hitch ($120). With a kit, ball, coverter, hitch and
> wiring labor it comes to $261.
> One can see this 19-pound hitch at
> http://www.etrailer.com/Merchant2/me...uct_Code=24703
> .
That's exactly what I thought. Notice that the price is quite a bit
cheaper, so perhaps you can negotiate with UHaul a bit. Installing one
is not a difficult job to do yourself, but that's up to you.
>
> So you determined that the tongue weight should be 150 lbs for a
> 1000-pound total weight trailer.
> How does one measure this? I guess after I load the trailer, I could
> just try to lift the end and estimate it like this or use a bathroom
> scale?

You can use a scale if you want to be accurate, but a good rule of thumb
is that if you can't lift it, there's too much weight on the tongue.
From a practical standpoint, you need to be able to lift the tongue in
case you need to disconnect the trailer during your trip.
>
> Do I need to add any transmission cooler, or this is only for automatic
> transmissions?

Automatics only. There's no easy way to cool a manual tranny, nor is it
necessary.