Matt Whiting

Bob wrote:
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> news:JcRYh.9493$Oc.214209@news1.epix.net...
>> deck1 wrote:
>>> and then as I was typing my computer crashed....45 MPH tail wind from the
>>> west!!!
>>> One more thing..Haven't seen anything on it here, maybe I just haven't
>>> seen it...bought a FRAM CH9999 filter for sonata v-6 at walmart for 5.53
>>> made in KOREA!!!
>>>
>> Fram filter ... best of luck! I guess you really don't like your Sonata!
>>
>> Matt
> I know that Fram filters have a bad rep... Probably because they can hide
> trash in a can encased filter. That's hard to do with an element type filter
> like is used in the 3.3 Sonata. I looked at the Purolator / NAPA India made
> version of the filter, and I was not impressed. I bought a CH9999 from
> Wally-World, and took some pictures. The filter really doesn't look bad. In
> fact, the actual element looks more consistent than the Hyundai filter. The
> end seals (element to plastic) look identical, and the oil seals - both on
> the filter, and in the bag for the bypass valve, and the filter cap look the
> same. I'll try it, and see how it holds up.
>
> Here's the pix. They are fairly high resolution, so they might take a while:
>
> http://n2qew.dyndns.org/Sonata_Filter/
>
>
>

The pictures are very nice. In the pictures, it appears that both the
filter media and the inner o-rings (I think they are o-rings anyway) are
a different color from the Hyundai filter. This may be inconsequential
or it may mean that these materials are materially (pun intended!)
different from the Hyundai filter. I'd want to know if this was my engine.

Matt

Bob

"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
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> billyboy24d wrote:
>> On Apr 29, 9:47 pm, "Bob" <bobsjunkm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>> I know that Fram filters have a bad rep... Probably because they can
>>> hide
>>> trash in a can encased filter. That's hard to do with an element type
>>> filter
>>> like is used in the 3.3 Sonata. I looked at the Purolator / NAPA India
>>> made
>>> version of the filter, and I was not impressed. I bought a CH9999 from
>>> Wally-World, and took some pictures. The filter really doesn't look bad.
>>> In
>>> fact, the actual element looks more consistent than the Hyundai filter.
>>> The
>>> end seals (element to plastic) look identical, and the oil seals - both
>>> on
>>> the filter, and in the bag for the bypass valve, and the filter cap look
>>> the
>>> same. I'll try it, and see how it holds up.
>>>
>>> Here's the pix. They are fairly high resolution, so they might take a
>>> while:
>>>
>>> http://n2qew.dyndns.org/Sonata_Filter/
>>
>> Side by side... the fram looks better.
>> Bill
>>
>
> Looks don't filter oil. I haven't seen a lot of test data recently, but
> the tests I've seen in the past didn't place Fram in a very good light
> performance-wise.
>
> Matt

True, looks don't filter oil, but the sites that I've been able to find that
"tested / compared" various oil filters did rely solely on looking at the
construction of the different filters. None of them did any testing of the
filter's ability to filter oil. They mention things like cardboard end caps.
Also they found bad anti-drainback valve construction, crappy can
construction, and bad bypass valve construction. Also, just looking at the
pictures, you can see that the filter media looks realy bad. This filter has
none of the items mentioned. All of the functionality other than the actual
filtering of the oil is provided by the parts that Hyundai originally
provided with the vehicle, and stay with it regardless of what brand of
filter is used.

Given that one of the trademark signs of the crappy Fram filters is the
cardboard end caps - and these don't have them - it might be reasonable to
conclude that these particular filters are made someplace other than the
factory that makes the other Fram filters. As we know, Hyundai issued that
TSB warning about problems with "certain" aftermarket filters causing oil
pressure issues. Given the information about the poor quality construction
of the can type filters that's only visible after destructive disassembly,
it's obvious why those problems exist.

The only real question about these filters is whether the element holds up
for an oil change cycle. That will be easy to determine.

If you know of sites that have done other than visual testing that I haven't
been able to find, I'd be interested in looking at their data.

Bob

"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> http://n2qew.dyndns.org/Sonata_Filter/
>>
>>
>>
>
> The pictures are very nice. In the pictures, it appears that both the
> filter media and the inner o-rings (I think they are o-rings anyway) are a
> different color from the Hyundai filter. This may be inconsequential or
> it may mean that these materials are materially (pun intended!) different
> from the Hyundai filter. I'd want to know if this was my engine.
>
> Matt

They are. The O rings on the Fram are a lighter green. The filter media is
also a lighter color on the Fram. They smell different, too. The first
filter I took out of my 2007 Sonata had dark red O rings. The "Hyundai"
filter in the pictures actually came from a Kia dealer. Same part number as
the one from the Hyundai dealer.... just $6.00 cheaper.

Edwin Pawlowski

"Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>
> The "Hyundai" filter in the pictures actually came from a Kia dealer.
> Same part number as the one from the Hyundai dealer.... just $6.00
> cheaper.

You mean you paid $6 for it? My Hyundai dealer charged my 8.95 for each
filter. Last time I checked I could not get an aftermarket yet.

Bob

"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>
>> The "Hyundai" filter in the pictures actually came from a Kia dealer.
>> Same part number as the one from the Hyundai dealer.... just $6.00
>> cheaper.
>
> You mean you paid $6 for it? My Hyundai dealer charged my 8.95 for each
> filter. Last time I checked I could not get an aftermarket yet.
I think it was $6.50. It's in a Kia box, but it has the same part number as
the Hyundai filter. I just bought the Fram filter because it is a little
cheaper, and I was curious how it compared to the Hyundai filter. As I said
previously, I've seen the "made in India" Purolator filter, and I wasn't
impressed. This one looks pretty good.

Thee Chicago Wolf

>and then as I was typing my computer crashed....45 MPH tail wind from the
>west!!!
>One more thing..Haven't seen anything on it here, maybe I just haven't
>seen it...bought a FRAM CH9999 filter for sonata v-6 at walmart for 5.53
>made in KOREA!!!

Damn, that is a good deal.

- Thee Chicago Wolf

Matt Whiting

Bob wrote:
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> news:f5vZh.9530$Oc.215684@news1.epix.net...
>> billyboy24d wrote:
>>> On Apr 29, 9:47 pm, "Bob" <bobsjunkm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>> I know that Fram filters have a bad rep... Probably because they can
>>>> hide
>>>> trash in a can encased filter. That's hard to do with an element type
>>>> filter
>>>> like is used in the 3.3 Sonata. I looked at the Purolator / NAPA India
>>>> made
>>>> version of the filter, and I was not impressed. I bought a CH9999 from
>>>> Wally-World, and took some pictures. The filter really doesn't look bad.
>>>> In
>>>> fact, the actual element looks more consistent than the Hyundai filter.
>>>> The
>>>> end seals (element to plastic) look identical, and the oil seals - both
>>>> on
>>>> the filter, and in the bag for the bypass valve, and the filter cap look
>>>> the
>>>> same. I'll try it, and see how it holds up.
>>>>
>>>> Here's the pix. They are fairly high resolution, so they might take a
>>>> while:
>>>>
>>>> http://n2qew.dyndns.org/Sonata_Filter/
>>> Side by side... the fram looks better.
>>> Bill
>>>
>> Looks don't filter oil. I haven't seen a lot of test data recently, but
>> the tests I've seen in the past didn't place Fram in a very good light
>> performance-wise.
>>
>> Matt
>
> True, looks don't filter oil, but the sites that I've been able to find that
> "tested / compared" various oil filters did rely solely on looking at the
> construction of the different filters. None of them did any testing of the
> filter's ability to filter oil. They mention things like cardboard end caps.
> Also they found bad anti-drainback valve construction, crappy can
> construction, and bad bypass valve construction. Also, just looking at the
> pictures, you can see that the filter media looks realy bad. This filter has
> none of the items mentioned. All of the functionality other than the actual
> filtering of the oil is provided by the parts that Hyundai originally
> provided with the vehicle, and stay with it regardless of what brand of
> filter is used.
>
> Given that one of the trademark signs of the crappy Fram filters is the
> cardboard end caps - and these don't have them - it might be reasonable to
> conclude that these particular filters are made someplace other than the
> factory that makes the other Fram filters. As we know, Hyundai issued that
> TSB warning about problems with "certain" aftermarket filters causing oil
> pressure issues. Given the information about the poor quality construction
> of the can type filters that's only visible after destructive disassembly,
> it's obvious why those problems exist.
>
> The only real question about these filters is whether the element holds up
> for an oil change cycle. That will be easy to determine.
>
> If you know of sites that have done other than visual testing that I haven't
> been able to find, I'd be interested in looking at their data.
>
>

I'm not aware of any sources of unbiased data either. One of the few
companies that publishes data is Amsoil, but I quite frankly don't trust
them given their past (and I believe still present) marketing tactics.
SWRI is probably the largest test center in the country, but they only
provide data to the folks that paid for the test!

Matt

Matt Whiting

Thee Chicago Wolf wrote:
>> and then as I was typing my computer crashed....45 MPH tail wind from the
>> west!!!
>> One more thing..Haven't seen anything on it here, maybe I just haven't
>> seen it...bought a FRAM CH9999 filter for sonata v-6 at walmart for 5.53
>> made in KOREA!!!
>
> Damn, that is a good deal.

Yes, I'll take a 45 MPH tail wind any day! :-)

Matt

Bob Adkins

On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 23:58:33 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net>
wrote:

>deck1 wrote:
>> and then as I was typing my computer crashed....45 MPH tail wind from the
>> west!!!
>> One more thing..Haven't seen anything on it here, maybe I just haven't
>> seen it...bought a FRAM CH9999 filter for sonata v-6 at walmart for 5.53
>> made in KOREA!!!
>>
>
>Fram filter ... best of luck! I guess you really don't like your Sonata!

Word on the street is that the new Fram filter and the Hyundai filter
are 1 and the same.
-

Bob

Bob

"Bob Adkins" <bobad@charter.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 23:58:33 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net>
> wrote:
>
>>deck1 wrote:
>>> and then as I was typing my computer crashed....45 MPH tail wind from
>>> the
>>> west!!!
>>> One more thing..Haven't seen anything on it here, maybe I just haven't
>>> seen it...bought a FRAM CH9999 filter for sonata v-6 at walmart for 5.53
>>> made in KOREA!!!
>>>
>>
>>Fram filter ... best of luck! I guess you really don't like your Sonata!
>
> Word on the street is that the new Fram filter and the Hyundai filter
> are 1 and the same.
> -
>
> Bob

I don't think so.... They definitely come from different molds, and the
media is somewhat different.

Pics... http://n2qew.dyndns.org/Sonata_Filter/