twospirits

Yes, and I already have. I had the 2002 Santa Fe LX and just recently
traded it in for the 2007 model. By the time I get rid of this model,
they would probably have a hybrid version out and that will be the
next one for me to get. If not, it would be the Veracruz.

TS

:-\)Liz

Huffiness Hyundai of Plano is great...that where I got my 2005 Elantra...and
yes, I'll buy another Hyundai. :-) Liz


"Richard" <reator@lipan.net> wrote in message
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> Yes but not from the dealer that I bought the last 3 from in Weatherford
> Texas USA
>
>
> Richard
>
>
> "irwell" <hook@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:76md13d4gadl2v0q7ls94u2n5qggm1ipmk@4ax.com...
>> If not, what would be your choice?
>
>

who

Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
> > And Hyundai, by the way, is the only car company that Honda is taking
> > seriously - and Hyundai and Honda are the two companies GM is studying the
> > most for "how to do it right."
>
In article <cUQRh.3627$Oc.186568@news1.epix.net>,
Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
> That is pretty dumb since Toyota is clearly the leader in almost every
> front in the auto industry. It is pretty sad when the car companies
> can't even figure out who is in first.
Obviously he should have had Toyota first or second.

At our auto show I felt the Tucson would fit my needs, if it had a full
sized spare. It looks like it would take one, if that foam spacer was
cut thinner.
The dealer didn't impress me by saying they didn't factory install a
full sized spare so the narrow spare would remind one to fix the flat.
>

Tom

Hey Matt,
Let me know how your Toyota experience was today. I have tried to but a
truck from them a couple of times but the snotty buggers wouldn't deal. My
'salesman' didn't even know how to open the hood! And all the dealerships
I've been to make you go through the showroom to get to the cars, where you
are immediately accosted (sp?) by salesmen. Very bad experiences.
I'd buy another Hyundai if they get a hybrid, pickup, or a diesel, which is
what this country really needs. Incidentally, I have a VW and right now, VW
has the WORST maintenance and problem record of anyone. Stay away from VW
until the Krauts figure out what they should be doing.

Tom

h
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
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> irwell wrote:
>> If not, what would be your choice?
>
>
> I'd buy another Hyundai possibly, but probably not another standard shift.
> Their throttle/clutch combination in my Sonata is the pits.
>
> I'd like to get a BMW, Audi or maybe VW as the Germans know how to make a
> standard shift vehicle. If I buy another minivan, I'll consider a
> Hyundai, but my next purchase will likely be a truck to replace my 94
> Chevy and it likely will be another Chevy.
>
> I'm going to test drive a Tundra today as Toyota says they will give me a
> $50 Home Depot gift certificate if I do. That is enough incentive for me!
> :-)
>
>
> Matt

Tom

The Grand Marquis always was a great deal and a wonderful cruising car. I
loved mine and you're right the mileage for a V8 was really good. Great car
and they used to almost give them away, if you dealt with them.

Tom

"Deck" <decan9@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>I have an 03 Elantra and an 06 Sonata LX. Like both cars. The Elantra for
> around town. The Sonata would be good on the highway if it didn't have
> those 17 inch HARD tires..Probably buy another Mercury Grand Marquis for
> the road. I got better mileage on my last Merc than I'm getting on this
> Sonara..and it rode a whale of a lot better!!
>

benick

"Deck" <decan9@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> also might consider an entourage
>We have only had our '06 Elantra since Christmas(3000 miles) but we love it
>so far. Will buy another one for the wife when this one dies. I drive a '95
>Silverado Z71 extended cab 4X4(230,000 miles) which I keep in near perfect
>condition cuz the new trucks SUCK.

Matt Whiting

Tom wrote:
> Hey Matt,
> Let me know how your Toyota experience was today. I have tried to but a
> truck from them a couple of times but the snotty buggers wouldn't deal. My
> 'salesman' didn't even know how to open the hood! And all the dealerships
> I've been to make you go through the showroom to get to the cars, where you
> are immediately accosted (sp?) by salesmen. Very bad experiences.
> I'd buy another Hyundai if they get a hybrid, pickup, or a diesel, which is
> what this country really needs. Incidentally, I have a VW and right now, VW
> has the WORST maintenance and problem record of anyone. Stay away from VW
> until the Krauts figure out what they should be doing.

I went and drove the Tundra today. It was a 2007 with the new 5.7l
engine and 6 speed automatic and four-wheel drive. The salesman was
very cordial and not high pressure at all. I made it clear that I was
there because of the $50 Home Depot gift card incentive and probably
wouldn't buy a new truck anytime soon. I'd completed the card before I
got there and checked the 12+ months box for my buying time frame. I
think he got interested when he saw that my current truck is a 1994
Chevy ... but I don't think he realizes just how long Chevy trucks last!
I expect at least 7 more years out of it! :-)

I had experiences similar to yours in previous forays into Toyota
dealerships, but this salesman was actually very pleasant to talk with.
I was impressed with his style and it was actually much like my
experience when I bought my Sonata. On to the truck...

Pros:

- Lots of power
- Smooth shifting transmission
- Quiet, except a lot of engine noise under full throttle
- Nice ride
- Nice handling
- Great brakes
- Excellent payload and towing capacity
- Can finally handle a snowplow!
- Large box
- Nice tailgate that has a gas strut to let it down slowly and assist in
raising it.
- Nice seats


Cons:

- I wasn't that impressed with the dash and instrument layout as the
steering wheel blocked all but one instrument when set to a comfortable
tilt position. The wheel is too small in diameter for the layout of the
instruments
- The console was too bulky and too gimmicky
- The grab handle on the windshield pillar was annoying and blocked my
vision.
- The mirrors are huge and also blocked side vision.
- The truck sits very high (like a 3/4 ton) which I don't find
attractive in a 1/2 ton truck. It was hard to climb into. If I wanted
a 3/4 ton truck I'd buy one.
- Visibility out the rear is terrible due to the truck height and fairly
deep box which gives a tall tailgate. I don't think I could see the
ground within 80' of the back of the truck. It definitely needs the
rear camera option to be safe!
- The truck beeps constantly when you select 4L. I thought something
was wrong, but the salesman claimed that was normal. That would drive
you absolutely batty if you had to use 4L. It sounds like the backup
beeper on a dozer. I can't believe that is normal.
- I still don't like the Toyota styling.
- No availability of a diesel engine
- No availability of standard shift (real trucks don't have automatics!)
- $28K price tag and this truck was far from loaded!


Overall, it is a decent truck, but it is very unlikely that I will buy
one. I haven't yet driven the new Chevy nor the latest Dodge, but I
didn't like this Toyota any better overall than my 13 year old K1500.
My Chevy has a nicer dash and more visible instruments. Is much easier
to get into and much easier to see out of. I like the seats in my truck
better. It would be nice to have some of the Toyota power and
quietness, but the Toyota honestly doesn't have enough improvements to
lure me from my old Chevy. I don't know if even the new Chevy has
enough improvements to warrant the price tag and I probably won't even
drive a new Chevy unless they give me a reason as did Toyota. And my
old Chevy shows absolutely no signs of slowing down and hardly even has
any rust as yet. I did see a couple of small spots when I waxed it last
fall, but for 13 years of PA/NY road salt winters, it is in great shape.


Matt

Edwin Pawlowski

"Deck" <decan9@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>I have an 03 Elantra and an 06 Sonata LX. Like both cars. The Elantra for
> around town. The Sonata would be good on the highway if it didn't have
> those 17 inch HARD tires..Probably buy another Mercury Grand Marquis for
> the road. I got better mileage on my last Merc than I'm getting on this
> Sonara..and it rode a whale of a lot better!!

You are right that the Grand M rides a WHALE of a lot better. Felt like it
was a huge whale wallowing around the sea.

I rented a Grand Marquis back in December for four days. I drove out of Las
Vegas toward Death Valley and the road curved a bit as it climbed over the
mountain. It was real work to keep it between the yellow lines. I was
wishing I was back in my Sonata so I could be going 10 mph faster and have
better control. Nice car for when you take the grandparents out for dinner,
but not what I want under me under serious driving conditions. To each his
own.

Mike Marlow

"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:RvYRh.3638$Oc.186662@news1.epix.net...

>
> I went and drove the Tundra today. It was a 2007 with the new 5.7l
> engine and 6 speed automatic and four-wheel drive. The salesman was
> very cordial and not high pressure at all. I made it clear that I was
> there because of the $50 Home Depot gift card incentive and probably
> wouldn't buy a new truck anytime soon. I'd completed the card before I
> got there and checked the 12+ months box for my buying time frame. I
> think he got interested when he saw that my current truck is a 1994
> Chevy ... but I don't think he realizes just how long Chevy trucks last!
> I expect at least 7 more years out of it! :-)

7 years????? What the hell do you have against that truck Matt, that you're
so damned anxious to get rid of it?



>
> Cons:
>

> - The grab handle on the windshield pillar was annoying and blocked my
> vision.
> - The mirrors are huge and also blocked side vision.

Matt - you require too much vision. You're driving a truck dambit...



> - The truck beeps constantly when you select 4L. I thought something
> was wrong, but the salesman claimed that was normal. That would drive
> you absolutely batty if you had to use 4L. It sounds like the backup
> beeper on a dozer. I can't believe that is normal.

Oh man - that would be a major issue for me. I plow *only* in 4 low.
Imagine a day of beep beep beep...


>
>
> Overall, it is a decent truck, but it is very unlikely that I will buy
> one. I haven't yet driven the new Chevy nor the latest Dodge, but I
> didn't like this Toyota any better overall than my 13 year old K1500.
> My Chevy has a nicer dash and more visible instruments. Is much easier
> to get into and much easier to see out of. I like the seats in my truck
> better. It would be nice to have some of the Toyota power and
> quietness, but the Toyota honestly doesn't have enough improvements to
> lure me from my old Chevy. I don't know if even the new Chevy has
> enough improvements to warrant the price tag and I probably won't even
> drive a new Chevy unless they give me a reason as did Toyota. And my
> old Chevy shows absolutely no signs of slowing down and hardly even has
> any rust as yet. I did see a couple of small spots when I waxed it last
> fall, but for 13 years of PA/NY road salt winters, it is in great shape.
>

Well, after one more of the upstate NY winters than your truck has Matt,
mine is really showing the signs as of this year. The rust really came
alive over the past year. This summer my truck will see some major
reconstructive surgery. Cab off, some minor frame work and paint, new
doors, new front fenders, and some metal work on the cab corners and on the
box. Like you said - for the money it'll cost me to renew the body on this
truck, I can't even think about looking at a new(er) one.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Matt Whiting

Mike Marlow wrote:
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> news:RvYRh.3638$Oc.186662@news1.epix.net...
>
>> I went and drove the Tundra today. It was a 2007 with the new 5.7l
>> engine and 6 speed automatic and four-wheel drive. The salesman was
>> very cordial and not high pressure at all. I made it clear that I was
>> there because of the $50 Home Depot gift card incentive and probably
>> wouldn't buy a new truck anytime soon. I'd completed the card before I
>> got there and checked the 12+ months box for my buying time frame. I
>> think he got interested when he saw that my current truck is a 1994
>> Chevy ... but I don't think he realizes just how long Chevy trucks last!
>> I expect at least 7 more years out of it! :-)
>
> 7 years????? What the hell do you have against that truck Matt, that you're
> so damned anxious to get rid of it?

I'm getting tired of green and silver! :-)



>> Cons:
>>
>
>> - The grab handle on the windshield pillar was annoying and blocked my
>> vision.
>> - The mirrors are huge and also blocked side vision.
>
> Matt - you require too much vision. You're driving a truck dambit...
>
>
>
>> - The truck beeps constantly when you select 4L. I thought something
>> was wrong, but the salesman claimed that was normal. That would drive
>> you absolutely batty if you had to use 4L. It sounds like the backup
>> beeper on a dozer. I can't believe that is normal.
>
> Oh man - that would be a major issue for me. I plow *only* in 4 low.
> Imagine a day of beep beep beep...
>
>
>>
>> Overall, it is a decent truck, but it is very unlikely that I will buy
>> one. I haven't yet driven the new Chevy nor the latest Dodge, but I
>> didn't like this Toyota any better overall than my 13 year old K1500.
>> My Chevy has a nicer dash and more visible instruments. Is much easier
>> to get into and much easier to see out of. I like the seats in my truck
>> better. It would be nice to have some of the Toyota power and
>> quietness, but the Toyota honestly doesn't have enough improvements to
>> lure me from my old Chevy. I don't know if even the new Chevy has
>> enough improvements to warrant the price tag and I probably won't even
>> drive a new Chevy unless they give me a reason as did Toyota. And my
>> old Chevy shows absolutely no signs of slowing down and hardly even has
>> any rust as yet. I did see a couple of small spots when I waxed it last
>> fall, but for 13 years of PA/NY road salt winters, it is in great shape.
>>
>
> Well, after one more of the upstate NY winters than your truck has Matt,
> mine is really showing the signs as of this year. The rust really came
> alive over the past year. This summer my truck will see some major
> reconstructive surgery. Cab off, some minor frame work and paint, new
> doors, new front fenders, and some metal work on the cab corners and on the
> box. Like you said - for the money it'll cost me to renew the body on this
> truck, I can't even think about looking at a new(er) one.

What make/model is the truck you are fixing up?

When mine is no longer road worthy, and assuming it still is a reliable
runner, I plan to just drop the license and use it off-road to plow my
driveway and haul firewood. I'm still using my old 1986 Jeep Comanche
for that, but it is getting harder to keep running and the clutch or
transmission sychros are going as it is getting hard to get into 1st and
reverse. I suspect the clutch as when my father-in-law had it (I had it
nearly 10 years and then he bought it for 10 more and then gave it back
to me two years ago shortly before he died) he didn't know it had a
hydraulic clutch. When I got it back, the clutch felt funny so I looked
into the master cylinder. I couldn't even see fluid and it was full of
dried gunk. I filled it up, but it never came back to normal so I
suspect that the seals may have dried out or something. I was going to
try to rebuild it, but decided the truck isn't worth is as the body is
about shot as well as other parts of the truck (exhaust, etc.) and I
figure I'll be able to replace it with the Chevy in the next few years
and buy a diesel for my road truck.

Matt
Matt

Wayne Moses

Reply to message from irwell <hook@yahoo.com> (Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:34:22)
about "Would you buy another Hyundai?":

i> If not, what would be your choice?

Bought 5 to date. New Santa Fe and Vera Cruz both look good and drive well
and my Grand Caravan is on her last legs. So yes I would buy another one.

Do I think that I will buy Hyundais forever? Maybe not. But as long as they
keep offering the excellent mix of good looks, decent price, good quality
and excellent warranty, one would be dumb not to buy / continue to by these
products.

Now I am curious - what is behind your question?

Best Regards
Wayne Moses <wmoses@houston.rr.com> Sun, 08 Apr 2007 12:03:50 -0500

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Wayne Moses

Reply to message from "KWW" <kirk.walker ahyt aircooled doht neyt> (Sat, 07
Apr 2007 07:23:27) about "Re: Would you buy another Hyundai?":

K> So either a GM or a Honda would probably be my next car....

He he he ... unbelievable that you would consider these two side by side.
To me they are worlds apart.

Best Regards
Wayne Moses <wmoses@houston.rr.com> Sun, 08 Apr 2007 12:11:20 -0500

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Leonardo

On Apr 6, 6:34 pm, irwell <h...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> If not, what would be your choice?

It doesn't appear that Hyundai will be offering a wagon any time soon.
We checked out all the other lower priced wagons and 5 doors ala
Spectra5, Pontiac Vibe, Mazda3. IMO, they don't offer much over my '99
Elantra 5spd wagon. None of them are as roomy, and the Vibe I thought
was a dog performance-wise. The Mazda gets up and goes, but is kinda
pricey for what you get. Fuel economy is give or take a few mpg. Maybe
a Focus wagon with a 5spd ( no automatics allowed in this family) but
the way it stands right now, I'll save my pennies and go for a Subaru
Outback. I think that they are one nice ride and they suit our
lifestyle.

L.

Matt Whiting

Wayne Moses wrote:
> Reply to message from "KWW" <kirk.walker ahyt aircooled doht neyt> (Sat, 07
> Apr 2007 07:23:27) about "Re: Would you buy another Hyundai?":
>
> K> So either a GM or a Honda would probably be my next car....
>
> He he he ... unbelievable that you would consider these two side by side.
> To me they are worlds apart.

I agree. After the new 84 Accord that I bought when had its top-end
self-destruct at 72,000 miles, I would never insult GM by lumping them
with Honda! What an insult to GM.

Matt

Mike Marlow

"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
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>
> What make/model is the truck you are fixing up?
>


'94 Silverado w/350.

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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net