Robert Cohen

One thing about Hyundai: They ain't gonna make XM-satellite standard in
the Elantra etal later this year.

Thank goodness, because that would be spoiling the customers, plus the
Delphic Parts Oracle frowns upon non-austerity, plus I'd rather listen
to local radio commercials interrupted by inane chatter and occasional
music, plus why give people the option, plus ...I'm kidding:

HYUNDAI IN LATER 2006 IS REPORTEDLY MAKING XM-SATELLITE COMPONENTS
STANDARD; and I presume one will have to pay that $13 a month
subscription or whatever if one wants his satellite radio components
activated.

nothermark

On 5 Jan 2006 17:42:28 -0800, "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com>
wrote:

>One thing about Hyundai: They ain't gonna make XM-satellite standard in
>the Elantra etal later this year.
>
>Thank goodness, because that would be spoiling the customers, plus the
>Delphic Parts Oracle frowns upon non-austerity, plus I'd rather listen
>to local radio commercials interrupted by inane chatter and occasional
>music, plus why give people the option, plus ...I'm kidding:
>
>HYUNDAI IN LATER 2006 IS REPORTEDLY MAKING XM-SATELLITE COMPONENTS
>STANDARD; and I presume one will have to pay that $13 a month
>subscription or whatever if one wants his satellite radio components
>activated.

why pay for radio??????????

nothermark

On 5 Jan 2006 17:42:28 -0800, "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com>
wrote:

>One thing about Hyundai: They ain't gonna make XM-satellite standard in
>the Elantra etal later this year.
>
>Thank goodness, because that would be spoiling the customers, plus the
>Delphic Parts Oracle frowns upon non-austerity, plus I'd rather listen
>to local radio commercials interrupted by inane chatter and occasional
>music, plus why give people the option, plus ...I'm kidding:
>
>HYUNDAI IN LATER 2006 IS REPORTEDLY MAKING XM-SATELLITE COMPONENTS
>STANDARD; and I presume one will have to pay that $13 a month
>subscription or whatever if one wants his satellite radio components
>activated.

why pay for radio??????????

Brian Nystrom

nothermark wrote:
> On 5 Jan 2006 17:42:28 -0800, "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>One thing about Hyundai: They ain't gonna make XM-satellite standard in
>>the Elantra etal later this year.
>>
>>Thank goodness, because that would be spoiling the customers, plus the
>>Delphic Parts Oracle frowns upon non-austerity, plus I'd rather listen
>>to local radio commercials interrupted by inane chatter and occasional
>>music, plus why give people the option, plus ...I'm kidding:
>>
>>HYUNDAI IN LATER 2006 IS REPORTEDLY MAKING XM-SATELLITE COMPONENTS
>>STANDARD; and I presume one will have to pay that $13 a month
>>subscription or whatever if one wants his satellite radio components
>>activated.
>
>
> why pay for radio??????????

I agree. Personally I'd like to see the concept fall flat on it's face.
If nothing else, it would be nice to see Howard Stern out of a job. ;-)

Brian Nystrom

nothermark wrote:
> On 5 Jan 2006 17:42:28 -0800, "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>One thing about Hyundai: They ain't gonna make XM-satellite standard in
>>the Elantra etal later this year.
>>
>>Thank goodness, because that would be spoiling the customers, plus the
>>Delphic Parts Oracle frowns upon non-austerity, plus I'd rather listen
>>to local radio commercials interrupted by inane chatter and occasional
>>music, plus why give people the option, plus ...I'm kidding:
>>
>>HYUNDAI IN LATER 2006 IS REPORTEDLY MAKING XM-SATELLITE COMPONENTS
>>STANDARD; and I presume one will have to pay that $13 a month
>>subscription or whatever if one wants his satellite radio components
>>activated.
>
>
> why pay for radio??????????

I agree. Personally I'd like to see the concept fall flat on it's face.
If nothing else, it would be nice to see Howard Stern out of a job. ;-)

Matthew Rebbert

If you ever move to a small town (Think Mid West) where there may only be 2
or 3 radio stations, paying 13 a month seems like a small price. Plus if
you are a trucker that does not want to retune your radio every 2 or so
hours this is a small price.

Am I saying XM or Sirrus(Howard Sterns keeper) is good for everyone? Nope,
I live in Baltimore/DC area and have at least 20 stations to choose from.
But there are plenty who do want it. My Brother in law likes XM, he drives
35 minutes to work each way and he likes the fact that for 35 minutes all he
hears is music. I can't say the same, I drive 60 minutes to work and if I
hear 35 minutes of music I have done well. Traditional radio makes money
from commercials, this means less music more crap. XM is paid for
Mostly(some have commercials) by subscriptions so commercials are not an
issue.

I have had XM, and I did not prefer their formats but that's me. My brother
in law loves it and has yet to use his FM or AM in his car.

To each their own...

"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:LGuvf.6877$tJ1.3096@trndny01...
> nothermark wrote:
>> On 5 Jan 2006 17:42:28 -0800, "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>One thing about Hyundai: They ain't gonna make XM-satellite standard in
>>>the Elantra etal later this year.
>>>
>>>Thank goodness, because that would be spoiling the customers, plus the
>>>Delphic Parts Oracle frowns upon non-austerity, plus I'd rather listen
>>>to local radio commercials interrupted by inane chatter and occasional
>>>music, plus why give people the option, plus ...I'm kidding:
>>>
>>>HYUNDAI IN LATER 2006 IS REPORTEDLY MAKING XM-SATELLITE COMPONENTS
>>>STANDARD; and I presume one will have to pay that $13 a month
>>>subscription or whatever if one wants his satellite radio components
>>>activated.
>>
>>
>> why pay for radio??????????
>
> I agree. Personally I'd like to see the concept fall flat on it's face. If
> nothing else, it would be nice to see Howard Stern out of a job. ;-)

Matthew Rebbert

If you ever move to a small town (Think Mid West) where there may only be 2
or 3 radio stations, paying 13 a month seems like a small price. Plus if
you are a trucker that does not want to retune your radio every 2 or so
hours this is a small price.

Am I saying XM or Sirrus(Howard Sterns keeper) is good for everyone? Nope,
I live in Baltimore/DC area and have at least 20 stations to choose from.
But there are plenty who do want it. My Brother in law likes XM, he drives
35 minutes to work each way and he likes the fact that for 35 minutes all he
hears is music. I can't say the same, I drive 60 minutes to work and if I
hear 35 minutes of music I have done well. Traditional radio makes money
from commercials, this means less music more crap. XM is paid for
Mostly(some have commercials) by subscriptions so commercials are not an
issue.

I have had XM, and I did not prefer their formats but that's me. My brother
in law loves it and has yet to use his FM or AM in his car.

To each their own...

"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:LGuvf.6877$tJ1.3096@trndny01...
> nothermark wrote:
>> On 5 Jan 2006 17:42:28 -0800, "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>One thing about Hyundai: They ain't gonna make XM-satellite standard in
>>>the Elantra etal later this year.
>>>
>>>Thank goodness, because that would be spoiling the customers, plus the
>>>Delphic Parts Oracle frowns upon non-austerity, plus I'd rather listen
>>>to local radio commercials interrupted by inane chatter and occasional
>>>music, plus why give people the option, plus ...I'm kidding:
>>>
>>>HYUNDAI IN LATER 2006 IS REPORTEDLY MAKING XM-SATELLITE COMPONENTS
>>>STANDARD; and I presume one will have to pay that $13 a month
>>>subscription or whatever if one wants his satellite radio components
>>>activated.
>>
>>
>> why pay for radio??????????
>
> I agree. Personally I'd like to see the concept fall flat on it's face. If
> nothing else, it would be nice to see Howard Stern out of a job. ;-)

Dances With Crows

On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:10:50 -0500, Matthew Rebbert staggered into the
Black Sun and said:

Please don't top-post. Message rearranged and trimmed for easier
reading.

> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:LGuvf.6877$tJ1.3096@trndny01...
>> nothermark wrote:
>>> On 5 Jan 2006 17:42:28 -0800, "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>One thing about Hyundai: They ain't gonna make XM-satellite standard
>>>>in the Elantra et al later this year. Thank goodness, because that
>>>>would be spoiling the customers, plus the Delphic Parts Oracle
>>>>frowns upon non-austerity, plus I'd rather listen to local radio
>>>>commercials interrupted by inane chatter and occasional music, plus
>>> why pay for radio?

I asked this in this froup a while back, and someone said, "How are you
going to get local traffic info and weather without a radio of some
sort?" Now, you don't need pay services for local traffic and weather,
but if you want traffic, weather, and music, it gets more complex. (I
don't care too much about traffic and weather, because here in southern
Michigan 1.5 hours from Detroit, traffic is not a problem, and blizzards
are too wimpy for weather to be very relevant.)

>> I agree. Personally I'd like to see the concept fall flat on its
>> face.
> If you ever move to a small town (Think Mid West) where there may only
> be 2 or 3 radio stations, paying 13 a month seems like a small price.

0. 1 reasonable CD-RW drive: $50
1. Spindle of CD-Rs: $18
2. Ripping+encoding music you already have: time
3. Songs from iTunes or whatever: roughly $1/song
4. Songs from your local friendly P2P network: time
5. Burning mix CDs from songs obtained in steps 2-4: time

....so for a minimal investment + time, you don't need monthly
subscription fees in order to listen to nothing but music you like.
Heck, most consumer-level x86s and Macs have CD-RWs now, so the
investment is even more minimal than I outlined above.

> My Brother in law likes XM, he drives 35 minutes to work each way and
> he likes the fact that for 35 minutes all he hears is music. I can't
> say the same, I drive 60 minutes to work and if I hear 35 minutes of
> music I have done well.

The first (and last) time I used my car radio was during the huge
blackout several years ago. CD-Rs, tapes, and iPod + cassette adapter
mean it's all music, all the time in my car.

> XM is paid for mostly (some have commercials) by subscriptions so
> commercials are not an issue.

In the early days of cable TV, commercials on cable TV were pretty
infrequent "because subscribers pay fees, we don't need commercials."
Things are different now. Look for more XM stations to add commercials,
as they try to maximize revenue. If one of XM or Sirius goes belly-up,
all stations on the surviving satellite radio provider will have
commercials in a very short time. That's just the way it goes, I think.

--
This .sig removed because Richard Steinfeld hates .sigs.

Dances With Crows

On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:10:50 -0500, Matthew Rebbert staggered into the
Black Sun and said:

Please don't top-post. Message rearranged and trimmed for easier
reading.

> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:LGuvf.6877$tJ1.3096@trndny01...
>> nothermark wrote:
>>> On 5 Jan 2006 17:42:28 -0800, "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>One thing about Hyundai: They ain't gonna make XM-satellite standard
>>>>in the Elantra et al later this year. Thank goodness, because that
>>>>would be spoiling the customers, plus the Delphic Parts Oracle
>>>>frowns upon non-austerity, plus I'd rather listen to local radio
>>>>commercials interrupted by inane chatter and occasional music, plus
>>> why pay for radio?

I asked this in this froup a while back, and someone said, "How are you
going to get local traffic info and weather without a radio of some
sort?" Now, you don't need pay services for local traffic and weather,
but if you want traffic, weather, and music, it gets more complex. (I
don't care too much about traffic and weather, because here in southern
Michigan 1.5 hours from Detroit, traffic is not a problem, and blizzards
are too wimpy for weather to be very relevant.)

>> I agree. Personally I'd like to see the concept fall flat on its
>> face.
> If you ever move to a small town (Think Mid West) where there may only
> be 2 or 3 radio stations, paying 13 a month seems like a small price.

0. 1 reasonable CD-RW drive: $50
1. Spindle of CD-Rs: $18
2. Ripping+encoding music you already have: time
3. Songs from iTunes or whatever: roughly $1/song
4. Songs from your local friendly P2P network: time
5. Burning mix CDs from songs obtained in steps 2-4: time

....so for a minimal investment + time, you don't need monthly
subscription fees in order to listen to nothing but music you like.
Heck, most consumer-level x86s and Macs have CD-RWs now, so the
investment is even more minimal than I outlined above.

> My Brother in law likes XM, he drives 35 minutes to work each way and
> he likes the fact that for 35 minutes all he hears is music. I can't
> say the same, I drive 60 minutes to work and if I hear 35 minutes of
> music I have done well.

The first (and last) time I used my car radio was during the huge
blackout several years ago. CD-Rs, tapes, and iPod + cassette adapter
mean it's all music, all the time in my car.

> XM is paid for mostly (some have commercials) by subscriptions so
> commercials are not an issue.

In the early days of cable TV, commercials on cable TV were pretty
infrequent "because subscribers pay fees, we don't need commercials."
Things are different now. Look for more XM stations to add commercials,
as they try to maximize revenue. If one of XM or Sirius goes belly-up,
all stations on the surviving satellite radio provider will have
commercials in a very short time. That's just the way it goes, I think.

--
This .sig removed because Richard Steinfeld hates .sigs.

Pete & Cindy

all I hear is music too.. its called a CD player which all Hyundais come
with and most play MP3's or WMA files. thats about 180 songs per CD.. have
10 CDs in my Santa Fe.. thats approx 1800 songs.. no brainer there. WHO
needs radio..;-)


Pete...


"Matthew Rebbert" <Matthew@noneya.net> wrote in message
news:d5ydnf1WNpPqFSPeRVn-rA@comcast.com...
> If you ever move to a small town (Think Mid West) where there may only be
> 2 or 3 radio stations, paying 13 a month seems like a small price. Plus
> if you are a trucker that does not want to retune your radio every 2 or so
> hours this is a small price.
>
> Am I saying XM or Sirrus(Howard Sterns keeper) is good for everyone?
> Nope, I live in Baltimore/DC area and have at least 20 stations to choose
> from. But there are plenty who do want it. My Brother in law likes XM, he
> drives 35 minutes to work each way and he likes the fact that for 35
> minutes all he hears is music. I can't say the same, I drive 60 minutes
> to work and if I hear 35 minutes of music I have done well. Traditional
> radio makes money from commercials, this means less music more crap. XM
> is paid for Mostly(some have commercials) by subscriptions so commercials
> are not an issue.
>
> I have had XM, and I did not prefer their formats but that's me. My
> brother in law loves it and has yet to use his FM or AM in his car.
>
> To each their own...
>
> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:LGuvf.6877$tJ1.3096@trndny01...
>> nothermark wrote:
>>> On 5 Jan 2006 17:42:28 -0800, "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>One thing about Hyundai: They ain't gonna make XM-satellite standard in
>>>>the Elantra etal later this year.
>>>>
>>>>Thank goodness, because that would be spoiling the customers, plus the
>>>>Delphic Parts Oracle frowns upon non-austerity, plus I'd rather listen
>>>>to local radio commercials interrupted by inane chatter and occasional
>>>>music, plus why give people the option, plus ...I'm kidding:
>>>>
>>>>HYUNDAI IN LATER 2006 IS REPORTEDLY MAKING XM-SATELLITE COMPONENTS
>>>>STANDARD; and I presume one will have to pay that $13 a month
>>>>subscription or whatever if one wants his satellite radio components
>>>>activated.
>>>
>>>
>>> why pay for radio??????????
>>
>> I agree. Personally I'd like to see the concept fall flat on it's face.
>> If nothing else, it would be nice to see Howard Stern out of a job. ;-)
>
>

Pete & Cindy

all I hear is music too.. its called a CD player which all Hyundais come
with and most play MP3's or WMA files. thats about 180 songs per CD.. have
10 CDs in my Santa Fe.. thats approx 1800 songs.. no brainer there. WHO
needs radio..;-)


Pete...


"Matthew Rebbert" <Matthew@noneya.net> wrote in message
news:d5ydnf1WNpPqFSPeRVn-rA@comcast.com...
> If you ever move to a small town (Think Mid West) where there may only be
> 2 or 3 radio stations, paying 13 a month seems like a small price. Plus
> if you are a trucker that does not want to retune your radio every 2 or so
> hours this is a small price.
>
> Am I saying XM or Sirrus(Howard Sterns keeper) is good for everyone?
> Nope, I live in Baltimore/DC area and have at least 20 stations to choose
> from. But there are plenty who do want it. My Brother in law likes XM, he
> drives 35 minutes to work each way and he likes the fact that for 35
> minutes all he hears is music. I can't say the same, I drive 60 minutes
> to work and if I hear 35 minutes of music I have done well. Traditional
> radio makes money from commercials, this means less music more crap. XM
> is paid for Mostly(some have commercials) by subscriptions so commercials
> are not an issue.
>
> I have had XM, and I did not prefer their formats but that's me. My
> brother in law loves it and has yet to use his FM or AM in his car.
>
> To each their own...
>
> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:LGuvf.6877$tJ1.3096@trndny01...
>> nothermark wrote:
>>> On 5 Jan 2006 17:42:28 -0800, "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>One thing about Hyundai: They ain't gonna make XM-satellite standard in
>>>>the Elantra etal later this year.
>>>>
>>>>Thank goodness, because that would be spoiling the customers, plus the
>>>>Delphic Parts Oracle frowns upon non-austerity, plus I'd rather listen
>>>>to local radio commercials interrupted by inane chatter and occasional
>>>>music, plus why give people the option, plus ...I'm kidding:
>>>>
>>>>HYUNDAI IN LATER 2006 IS REPORTEDLY MAKING XM-SATELLITE COMPONENTS
>>>>STANDARD; and I presume one will have to pay that $13 a month
>>>>subscription or whatever if one wants his satellite radio components
>>>>activated.
>>>
>>>
>>> why pay for radio??????????
>>
>> I agree. Personally I'd like to see the concept fall flat on it's face.
>> If nothing else, it would be nice to see Howard Stern out of a job. ;-)
>
>

A Hyundai Owner

"Dances With Crows" <danSPANceswitTRAPhcrows@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:slrndrt4tc.t2u.danSPANceswitTRAPhcrows@samant ha.crow202.dyndns.org...
> On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:10:50 -0500, Matthew Rebbert staggered into the
> Black Sun and said:
>
> Please don't top-post. Message rearranged and trimmed for easier
> reading.
>

I'm pretty sure that most of the people on which you've imposed YOUR opinion
of how to post on Usenet did not appreciate it. Looking at your posting
history, you've provided more information on how to post according to your
standards than useful information in your responses. Case in point here. A
buck a tune or around $10-$13 a disk adds up to $13 (the monthly fee) pretty
quickly. Unless of course, they heed your suggestion and pirate the music.
There's good things, not so good things, and bad things about both - Sirius
and XM. The issues are well known. You on the other hand just decided to pop
up out of the woodwork and start issuing posting instructions to a regular
poster in a newsgroup that you haven't contributed to in over a year.

00000000 Some people post top.
00000001 Some people post bottom.
00000010 Some people delete (usually, like this guy does) the older
stuff.
00000011 Some people interleave - sometimes.
00000100 Some people should just be told to 11110000. ; )

A Hyundai Owner

"Dances With Crows" <danSPANceswitTRAPhcrows@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:slrndrt4tc.t2u.danSPANceswitTRAPhcrows@samant ha.crow202.dyndns.org...
> On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:10:50 -0500, Matthew Rebbert staggered into the
> Black Sun and said:
>
> Please don't top-post. Message rearranged and trimmed for easier
> reading.
>

I'm pretty sure that most of the people on which you've imposed YOUR opinion
of how to post on Usenet did not appreciate it. Looking at your posting
history, you've provided more information on how to post according to your
standards than useful information in your responses. Case in point here. A
buck a tune or around $10-$13 a disk adds up to $13 (the monthly fee) pretty
quickly. Unless of course, they heed your suggestion and pirate the music.
There's good things, not so good things, and bad things about both - Sirius
and XM. The issues are well known. You on the other hand just decided to pop
up out of the woodwork and start issuing posting instructions to a regular
poster in a newsgroup that you haven't contributed to in over a year.

00000000 Some people post top.
00000001 Some people post bottom.
00000010 Some people delete (usually, like this guy does) the older
stuff.
00000011 Some people interleave - sometimes.
00000100 Some people should just be told to 11110000. ; )

Eric G.

Dances With Crows <danSPANceswitTRAPhcrows@gmail.com> wrote in
news:slrndrt4tc.t2u.danSPANceswitTRAPhcrows@samant ha.crow202.dyndns.org:

> I asked this in this froup a while back,

Please don't make typographical errors. They are very annoying to read.

Eric G.

Dances With Crows <danSPANceswitTRAPhcrows@gmail.com> wrote in
news:slrndrt4tc.t2u.danSPANceswitTRAPhcrows@samant ha.crow202.dyndns.org:

> I asked this in this froup a while back,

Please don't make typographical errors. They are very annoying to read.