Ok, what do you suggest comparing, maybe some 14 sec. cars for you, like the Nissan 350Z Vs S2000???

well you're better off comparing the sir to the z24, and the 2.2l cav to the si.

i didint say that they come with a set number of years im saying that iv never seen a honda that has not been running for about 8 years or more. and dont try and say that i didint say and for a matter of fact you are not broke when working at honda. Most of them are in their apprenticship and getting free training is pretty sweet when you get paid for learning un like other people having to spend 15grand on post secondary school.

do you work at a honda dealer to back that up? If so PM I know a mechanic thats has worked at honda in the GTA for years you may know him. He does a hell of alote more then maintence work ESP on the newer hondas.

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and many more offer that program.. So now your saying all honda techs are level entry apprentcship workers? kid have you even set foot in a garage before?

common man no your just pissing me off for giggles i did not say all honda techs are level entry as apprentcship im saying i now a few people apprentecing at honda and yes i have steped into a garage before and i know my way around an engine pretty well

I didnt really get that, i'm just saying its pathetic comparing 2 shitty cars, why not compare modified cars? i dont know, anything that can take less than a day to get to 100. I didnt say anything about 350z's or 2000's, but if you do wanna compare them than why not? at least its better than comparing a civic to a cavi :smile:

not taking any sides or anything but how can anyone say a honda would last longer than a cavalier it all depends on how you drive it and maintain it

I'm so tired of hearing people say this. If you think drag racing doesn't take any skill, you either suck at it, or you haven't tried it. Don't get me wrong, circuit racing is awesome, but just because you prefer to take turns rather then go in a line doesn't make you better then everyone else, and make peole who drag a . I'm so sick and tired of the mentality that these auto-x/road course guys have where they think they're superior to everyone else because they choose handling over acceleration.

"Drag Racing is for fast cars, auto-x is for fast drivers" Yeah, eat a dick.

I chose the civic as an example because thats whats being talked about. I didnt have to chose a civic.

Ok, fine, you didnt like my example with the cavalier. Once again I chose this car because it was being talked about. I could have chosen my friend with a probe whose engine died on the highway. Damage was beyond rapair.

So my experience with domestics has never been great. Hence why I drive an import.

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There are many examples of this. Like when you see two completely stock cars running in the 1/4 one runs a 19sec 1/4 and the other runs a 16. It does take skill to drag.

yes I work at a Honda dealer, I'm not just saying that so people think I'm smart or something, and who do you know at Honda, I might know them. but anywho thanks for at least asking, and not bashing first like stealthZ, what a but er. sorry off topic but had 2
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ok, we have already gone over this, your 2.2l is slower than my cat, and the Sir would rock any abortion gm put out on the market and called a cavalier.

so I was, in the begining, trying to be fair with this comparison, which has got alot off votes for both sides, so I think it is a fair comparison. thanks so for me, opinions lead to a tie between the cars as many people posted, meaning its coming down to drivers. comparison completed thanks.

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first the si is a piece of , but no one admits it, and a 2.2 will hang with it. and second, id put my car against an sir (and have) just to prove you wrong.

so how do you think a 2.2l pushrod cav with a pwr to wght ratio of 21.81 lbs per hp can keep up with and Si that has 5 more hp and a pwr to wght ratio of 17.85 lbs per hp.
we talked about this on page 2 of this thread. so one again. :tool:


oh and nice pics of your car. Lmao...

also... what does it matter that u put your car up agaist an Sir, you didn't say who won, or prove u won, so how did you prove me wrong? just wondering.....

or off a cliff :appl:

wow this thread is gay... does anyone really care about these 17sec cars?

im just stating. i did win, i didnt kill em, but a win is a win. and how can i prove it, i cant, which is why i didnt say anything. i dont drive around with a freakin camera in my car so then i dont dive a wether you believe me or not. do you really think sir's are that fast? if you do you are a very ignorant person. the newer ones look like a smaller version of a minivan and they arent light. but i guess slap an R at the end and its a 12 second car.

this coming from a civic owner, lolol.

i dont know how "fast" your car is now, but if its a 14, 13 or 12 sec car...im sure it came from the factory like that. :retard:

You can really prove anything around here.. Nobody drives around filming races we just have to take each others word for it. Honda tech get over it and stop putting civics up on a high platform. You abviously havent driven many cars because you talk about civics like there bentleys.. So just do us all a favor and shut the up.

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hahahahaha....lol..honda tech u think you know everything about cars u probablly just do oil changes at some quicky lube...

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hahaha im sorry to say i love honda and i have a civic si but i have also owned a 2001 crapalier z24 and they would tear civic si's a new anyday! seriously they are geared for accelleration and civics are geard for top speed well si's atleat.. but yeah who ever thinks a stock civic si could take a stock z24... your retarded put the specs together.

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For the record, did it. 1993 Civic Si Coupe (127hp) vs. a 1996 Cavalier Z24. Both cars were manual trans, and the civic beat the cavalier by about a car and a half. I saw someone post earlier about the cav having a shorter gearing. NOT SO, that's exactly why the civic won. The gearing is much shorter in th civic and it revs higher. Sorry to burst everyone's theory.

That being said...Who cares!?

fair enough and I think your right..... a 95 Z24 cavy will EATTTT a 95 SI stock to stock

But comparing a 2000 SIR to a 2000 Z24....I think civic will win no doubt.

They would both lose to the guy walking his dog.

If drivers where of equal skill I would think the Z24 would win, as long as it is from a dig, a roll on...I think the civic would win

...either way I would dust both cars

-Mike

i cant believe this thread has been revived! lmao!

oh I didnt even realize how old it was lol

-Mike

lol ill add to it, before i did any serious mods i had no issues beating up on civic si's. so im not sure where you guys are finding your info but with equal mds an si is a joke to beat on. the sir was always a drivers race and often a little bit quicker because of the extra 10 hp. but, in a drag race if i could get the sir off the line, which i usually could, id be generally able to hold him back al lthe way down the quarter. but a better comparison is the sir over the si

Yeah, it sucked then, and it sucks now.:smilie_d0

If you're comparing stock cars,

the z24 will beat a civic si.

Just my opinion

Until the little asian ninja named VeeFag hiding inside the block kicks in! Then you plant your left foot, push yourself back in your seat, press the boost button which isn't hooked up, and let her rip! Until you realise the race ended 1/2 a mile ago..

vtec has never scared me. a high reving motor that makes nothing down low doesnt worry me. you can have 500 hp but if it doesnt happen till 7000 rpm with an 8000 rpm redline then its clearly useless

A motor with 500hp @ 7000rpm with a 8000rpm redline? Never seen that before, at least not in a honda.

Stock 95 Si coupe vs 95 Z24. Who cares? Who actually drives a stock car here?

On the other hand a 95 Si coupe civic would obviously be a beter platform to build upon. 95 Z24, :smilie_d0

ok. first of all, i own a civic, but i used to have a z24 that had all bolt ons and spray. i was racing the car really often with and without nitrous and never had a poblem. i sold it to a friend (without the nitrous kit) and he drove the car for 2 years racing on and off and now its sold to another kid that keeps driving the car to this day. the cavy only had the power steering pump repaired and thats it. nothing ever broke. oh and the alternator went once. that cavy was auto with an interceptor shift kit, intake, int manifold , throttle body headers, catback and about a month ago it lost to a jdm gsr hatch with intake exshaust flywheel clutch and a tire by only a couple of cars. now the civic is not that fast but the cavy is auto.dont underestimate them they are torqey liitle ****ers. i had one i know.

as for the guy that said about the vtec motors making nothing down low,
1st: please experience yourself the motor and then make a decision.
2nd:it does not matter down low, because after launch the rpms never drop under 6000, it goes from 9200 to 6000 and up to 9200. so who cares what they do down low. especialy when launch rpm is at 5000 and the car slams to 9000 until it grips and drops you down to 6000.

then again i also have a 2 litre hatch without vtec that would scare many.

oh , the si would lose to a z24. its true, i have done it, lost to sir though. but then again i was auto and stock.

look at the big hp hondas you see posting dyno numbers, they dont hit boost way up in the power band, cmpletely useless especially for a street car.

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Some Ppl I Tell Yah Honda's Rule Face It Domestics Cant Compare Cobalt Ss 2.0 Supercharged 205 Hp Honda 2.2 V Tec 200 N/a So Think About It Imports R King!!!!

Yes, because we all know horsepower is the only thing that determines a car's speed :retard:

Some people are retarded, vtec doesnt add power, it simply lets the motor show its full potential. When vtec is disengaged, it has less power to make for better fuel economy and better drivability, when it is enganged you have the full power of the motor and somewhat shittier fuel economy.

Think of it as buying a performance cam for a non-vtec motor, say it makes power from 3000 to 8000rpm. Thats great, but what happens below 3000? it runs like ass. Thats where vtec comes in, it gives the low rpm drivability of having a stock cam, and when you want the power, you get the high end power of an aftermarket cam, with none of the negatives.

The idea is that when you want the power, you're going to be shifting at redline, when you shift at redline and hit the next gear, the rpms dont drop below the vtec engagement point.