Who Would Win: 95 Si coupe vs. 95 Z24... opinions anyone
 

This challenge is considering both vehicles as completly stock
and here are the specs:

1995 Chevrolet Cavalier Z24 2 Dr Coupe
Engine: DOHC 2.3L inline 4
150hp 145ft,lbs
5 speed manual
curb weight: 2788lbs
Pwr to wt =18.57 lbs, per HP

VS.

1995 Honda Civic Si 2dr coupe
Engine: D16Z6 SOHC 1.6L inline 4
125 hp, 106ft,lbs
5 speed manual
curb weight: 2231lbs
Pwr to wt = 17.85 lbs, per HP

Just lookin for opinions

Completely stock, my money would be on the civic. Smaller, lighter.

civic will own that fagalier! lmao j/k, seriously tho. it will

honda :thumbsup:

civic would beat that it would coming down to drivers though

Ooookaaay, um, which is it, Civic, or driver? :dunno:

haha, you people are so full of . like it or not, the cav will win. i want what you guys are smoking.

both are garbage :22:

the civic would win not by too much but it would come down to how much by who ever is driving that civic.

Cav will win.
I thought those year Si's put out 160hp?

no, the SiR's do.

They were only producing 106 hp the base modle in 95

civics yeah

They were only producing 106hp the sir were like 160hp

by the way, the 2dr cav coupe weighs 2617lb, therefor the pwr to wt ratio would be 17.45 lbs/hp.

the closer race would be the 1995 2.2l sohc 2dr coupe cav with 120hp and 135tq.

the SiR's have 160 HP, the Si has 127

The Z24 has way shorter gears... I'd say it would win.

Ok, let me be patient, but if I put up a post with specs I'm going to get them ing right, the base coupe was 2617lbs with your gay ass 2.2L that wasn't even OHC, it was push rod with 120hp, with pwr to wt, 21.81 lbs per hp. so you don't even know your own shitty domestics,
The 1995 Z24 is 2788lbs, with 2.3l Dohc 150 HP, 145ft,lbs of torque (1996 was 2.4L making 5 more lbs of torque which wouldn't make any difference) so I'm not wrong, your just to quik to bash on Honda's when I was just lookin for opinions dick!!!
:madfawk:

Oh, and just so you know, those numbers are from Motor Trend Magazine so go tell them their wrong. and read my name, Honda Tech doesn't mean I know nothing about domestics, I know enough not to buy, work on, or recommend them. so don't think your all hail king domestic man.
Cheers
:tool:

^^ I'm as big a hater of domestics as the next guy, but that was harsh :P

So, "StealthZ", if your so hot with chevys, why is your name stealthZ, the Stealth is made by Dodge and Z is a Nissan signature :TSRNEWB:

ummm...rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrright
do you own both a 1990 civic and a 1990 integra? or did you just do the ghey from end conversion and call it a civtegra...so STFU :lame:

OK, that was harsh, but I was looking coversation and opinions, if I post numbers I make sure there right first, but anywho, any other opinions

thanks for telling me stuff i already knew. while were at it, the 00-02 2.4 had another 5tq over the 96-99. and where did i bash hondas in this thread. i simply stated the base engine is more suitable for the si. its an opinion, deal with it, but then again, i guess you cant...probably why you got a honda, so you could fit in and didnt have to deal with negative opinions towards yourself and the car. if you cant take opinions, get off the internet.

i know, you must be one of those "im always right" people and no one can disagree. :thumbsup:


you want a simple comment and opinion...fine...the civic will lose.

/thread

trying to be nice, but no he did not do any "ghey" convertions on his car, its pretty mint, and I did alot of the work on it with him and its a Civic body with Integra hardware, if you read the thread before this one about who will win he spells it out clearly what has been done.

I can take opinions and I just did, your opinion, but I was just telling you that you were wrong about the numbers, but you already knew that, than if you knew, why did you say the Z24 weighed less? to give it the advantage but really that was the weight of the shittier cav. so back to the original question that had specs posted correctly, any other opinions, and yes I know yours "StealthZ"

Do you guys realize your only quoting peak power. That really doesn't mean jack when the power to weight ratio is so close.

i dont really give a domestic or import, but rest assured a zz4 cavalier would absolutely destroy a civic si.

Speaking from experience: I had an 02 Protege 5 manual. dropped clutch power shift.. the whole deal. Couldn't get in front of my friend driving a '00 Z24 automatic.

Honda tech is a tool. :laugh: Argueing quotes from motor trend is like running in the special olympics even if you win your still retarded. GM builds engines that last just as long as honda motors if not longer. So you need to haul ass back to washing cars at classic honda (no such thing btw).

BTW The term Z is a chevrolet signature dateing back to the 60s nissan dont own .

Z28 biatch

The cavalier will waste the SI.. stop denying the abvious.

ok you go buy a gm and see how they run! and see if it runs perfectly for more than two years, by the way a decent but still shitty gm starts at like 20 grand well you can get them from 9 grand to about 100grand depending on car and package you get. but with HONDA the cars last for like 8 years minimum, who knows how good the owner takes car of it! And working at HONDA would be the , and if you tried to wash a car at Honda you would have to pay for a new paint job for the car! not saying he does wash cars but HONDA TECH gives it away

My friend drives a cavalier. It's always broken. He replaced the headgaskets 3 times. None of my friends with imports have problems like this, so out of pure personal experience, my judgement on reliability is heavily biased towards imports.

As for performance, well, I like to think there is more to it then two numbers. A GREAT car to me is one that is fast, but nimble. If all you care about is acceleration, then by all means, go drag race. But thats for pussies who cant drive.

So let's see, for about $15,000, including the cost of the car, I can make a civic hatch reach 350hp no problem. Plus it's light, and with a nice suspension setup it will take most cars. Oh and amazingly the reliability will still be there. Sounds like a great deal for a good track car.

That's why I choose imports over domestics.

kinda sad that to you imports as a whole is all about a civic hatch. a civic hatch is the last car id get.

funny how all the domestic (ie jbody) haters have a story about a "friend" with a cav and problems. ive had mine coming up on 3 yrs, no prob. i know people who have cavs, no probs. maybe ur "friend" treats it like and doesnt deserve to own a car.

I own a brand new GM.. before that I had 2 of them for alote longer then 2 years. YOU on the other hand have never bought one in your life. Honda cars do not last for 8 years minimum. That sentence right there shows your idiocy. No car is sold with a set number of years to last. Nice try..Working at honda in the garage wouldent be the because you would be broke (since nothing ever goes wrong) theres no need for mechanics at honda.

for 15,000 i could mod a LS1 fbody , outhandle your ass in the twisties ,in the 1/4 and still be more reliable then you on the way to work in the morning.


THANK YOU come again. A civic hatch is a heap.

Actually you could not. U would still have a heavy car with sloppy steering, Solid Axle rearend. He said 15G inc price of car.


U should see what happens when LS1 cars try to run with me in the twisties or on the track they usually end up in the dirt at the end of turn 1.

Hmmm Are you really that ignorant?

There are plenty of other Import cars that have a massive aftermarket and people have been modding for years. I honestly can't believe the sh1t that comes out of your mouth somtimes. Do you actually believe yourself?

can you even ing read? read "premium dude's" post, then read mine again...slowly...understand it...then comment.

if you cant read, i suggest you keep your dumb in comments to yourself.

Who the hell cares who would win, they're both scrap. Judging by how defensive you are Honda Tech, it sounds like you own a D-Series.

The only place those two cars should be racing is to the scrapyard.

civic, i think its shorter gears as well..... isnt it? but give a 17 year old a civic and michael schumacher the cav then.........

Nice thread, comparing 2 16 second (or more) cars, this is pathetic.

and also, why is it that lately all the talking threads are all about civics and cavis?

its funny how the people who talk the most are the guys with the slowest cars on this forum. bring your cars out in the summer and lets settle this on the street.

just my two cents.

"Working at honda in the garage wouldent be the because you would be broke (since nothing ever goes wrong) theres no need for mechanics at honda."

Well, I am not that broke, and I would love to say that Honda's never break, but your not far off, its mostly maintenance work, and if actually happens.

oh, and I own a C-series, just for clarifacation.