eagle talon tsi awd?
 

I'm thinking of getting an eagle talon tsi awd. Anyone have any pros or cons on that car cuz i'm seriously considering on getting one. I actually just recently found out there was a awd version lol.

do u research b4 u buy that car. i would personally get the newer kinda which comes after the flipup lights. but like everycar there is good n bad. U just gotta find a som1 that took care of there car n u should b good

i read some reviews on the net and apparently performance wise its a good car but I've also heard from people that it has a lot of problems. Then again like u said its all on how the car was taken care of.

Coming from a current owner of a 97 Eclipse gsx, which is the same thing as a tsi awd, there is alot to know about this car. First, a small percentage of 2nd generation talons suffer from a problem called crankwalk. Where the crank actually travels due to poor machining by mitsu and eventually the motor blows. When that happens most people (including myself) throw in the 6-bolt motor from a 1st gen. They have some other problems as well but beyond that, careful maintenance will keep this car going fine. In terms of performance, dsms have a 4g63 motor, which is the same motor in the mitsu evolutions (but not the evo X). I've been building up my dsm for the last while, and should be pushing over 450 awhp when all is said and done, which is very decent. Its by far one of the cheapest cars to modified for the performance you get in return. And the awd matched with dsmLink's stutterbox feature make this car a launch monster. I have never owned a 1st gen dsm but have heard they suffer from more problems than the 2gs. But if you enjoy working on cars and doing things yourself, you'll love this car. Honestly, if I were you go to dsmtuners.com and read everything you can.

Crankwalk mainly occurs on 7-bolt motors that use heavy clutches. One thing that can be done to dramatically reduce the chance of crankwalk is to disconnect your clutch switch, so you can start the car without pressing in the clutch.

How dependable your DSM will be all comes down to regular maintenance, and driving style.
I have over 500whp in my car, run low 11's on pump gas, trap around 130mph, and cut 1.6-1.7 60' on street tires all day long. I did all this with a bone stock 6-bolt block w/balance shafts, and a non-lsd 3-bolt rear-end! I haven't broke a thing this year!

IMO DSMs ARE the best bang for your buck......period!

Wow, how are you running 500awhp on a stock block and not scared?? Im running wiseco's machined to 1g big rods without balance shafts and I thought I could JUST make 500awhp.

Its all about good tuning! I had a fully built block with Crower rods/JE pistons, ARP everything, and clevite bearings, but spun a rod bearing due to oil contamination and went back to a stock block to get me thru the year. I couldn't get my front cover off to get the stubby shaft out of my built block so I decided to just keep the balance shafts in too. I'm also using an OEM composite HG! As far as I know, Mike Rizzoti holds the 6-bolt record with 586whp, and tried for over 3 yrs to blow it up making over 500+whp.

I'm running a DBB T67 @30psi and am shifting at 8.5K. I've seen HP estimates in DSMlink as high as 647hp, and I have no worries about blowing it up!. The 4G63T is the second best motor to come out of Japan, first being the 2JZ.

Ppl really underestimate these cars! Ppl have said the 3-bolt rear-end isn't good for more then 350whp, I guess I proved that wrong too! I cut a 1.624 60 foot time with a NON-LSD 3-bolt rear end and street tires!

Are you running dsmlink? I couldnt image those ETs on an safc

Yes, I'm running DSMlink! I've built and tuned my own car.

I know a guy that runs 10's with a 2G mas and S-AFC, so it can be done!

^ i know him too, are you talking about the australian guy with the magnus built car?

and RON, if you listen to anyone you listen to dsmonster, the guys lives, breathes and eats dsms

dsm suck balls i own 2 1g's non pop up head lights....last night just driving normally down 7 went to shift into 4th and she wont budge car is stuck in third...and i dont know what the **** went wrong ...

Sorry, double post!

I'm talking about Brad Davis, I'm pretty sure you've seen him at TMP.

TheStance, it sounds like you damaged a shift fork. Since you did it while driving normanlly, I'd have to suspect an improperly adjusted clutch.

You tard, maybe its not the DSM that 'sucks balls', maybe its your knowledge thats the real ball juicer. You've probably busted your shifter cable. :retard:

(it could also be the clutch fork)

so how does that make me a tard >??? its a well known fact that with dsm;s the weak link is the tranny....

For the record, I was thinking of the 3-4 shift fork in the tranny, not the clutch fork.

Yes the tranny are the weak point in DSMs, BUT a properly maintained & properly driven transmission won't fail on you just like that! I'm on a stock JDM tranny (taller 1st gear which is weaker then USDM), and non-lsd 3-bolt rear-end. Now with over 500whp, how do I keep from breaking all the time? With the proper maintenance/set-up/driving, thats how! Believe me, I run my car hard, I have countless 1.7 60' launches and use NLTS (no lift to shift) @8.5K, so they're not entirely that weak!

could you elaborate on this NLTS method ?? also are u shifting at 8.5k on stock rod bolts ?? also what valvetrain are you using if any ?? id like to discuss DSM's as you seem to be very well informed and helpful unlike some other members....id like to learn to maintain and build my dsm i have rather realistic goals i believe... which would consist of a high 12 second pass utilizing the 14b ....

No lift to shift means you never need to take your foot off the gas to shift gears. Inside DSMlink there is a setting you need to adjust so that when the clutch pedal is depressed, the rpms will quickly drop to that level. You basically hold boost for your entire run down the strip. And 12's on a 14b is more than possible, but for about $300-350 you can get a mint used b16g, which I would suggest for the tamed tuner.

Wilddog summed up NLTS perfectly!

I am running a completely stock 6-bolt bottom end with balance shafts. As for my head there is no porting or fancy valve jobs, just FP2x cams (lil more agressive than HK$272's), dual valve springs, titanium retainers, manlely locks, and 3G lifters.

Like wilddog also said, 12's are obtainable with a 14b with the right set-up, tuning, and of course, driving your ass off :headbang: Not easy to do, but its been done. Feel free to hit me up on PM when u have questions.


edit: talking about 16gs, great little turbos! Thats a 16G beside my turbo in my avatar picture :smokin:

I'm still tripping out that your running 11's on a stock block AND HEADGASKET. Do you knock significantly? are you running meth?

Low 11's ;)

I'm pushing a bit of coolant, but nothing to worry about! I'm using ARP head studs, but they've been used a few times, so I'm sure they've stretched. I didn't have a perfect finish on both my head and block so I used a composite gasket so it seals the imperfections better. Over the winter when I put back in my built bottom-end I'll be putting in some new L19 headstuds along with one of the good Felpro HGs. I'll be looking to run 35-37psi next year! I very rarely knock, almost never see 2 degrees of retard (thats where my check engine light is set to come on), and of course I do use meth! Its the only way to make big power on pump gas! I say its a must for a boosted streetcar!

a 16g is in the near future but for the time being id like to see what a 14b is truly capable of ....so for the mean time id like to milk it for all its worth if i can rack off 1-2 consistant 12 sec passes on a 14b id be more than happy untill i could afford to step up to a 16g...abd the proper engine managemant id need to accomodate the upgrade...

Are you using a progressive or basic meth kit? I cant even begin to image tuning dsmlink to incorporate this.

I have a cheap progressive controller. Mine has a turn-on point, and a max point, and 10 pre-set deliveries. 1 being the mildest, and 10 being the most aggressive. There are much better ones on the market. But the basic on/off type work well too.

How many beers do you charge per hour for tuning? :fingersx:

good question id also like the answer to .... nothing serious for the most part im using a 2g mas on an s-afc with some fic 750's...all parts on there way cant wait to get this bitch working properly....

wilddog whats your setup ??

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I have a friend that runs consistant 11's on an evo3 16G, so your turbo is capable of it! If you guys are serious about tuning, just shot me a PM.

ha, there is only 1 other person I can think of that runs these times on a stock block and is also a tuning-master

I don't know what u mean......My name is Clark, Clark Kent :veryhappy