Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
> Regarding those crushable gaskets (that I no longer have to deal with, and
> as I was told just this afternoon, are being replaced with "standard
> O-rings" at all Hyundai and Kia dealers), my rule was to tighten with my two
> smallest fingers. It could just barely crush the O-ring until it "just"
> seated tight.
>
> It feels almost loose (not too much trouble ever) getting it off the next
> time. Which goes to show you how tight some of these bozos tighten these
> things at fast oil change places and even dealerships. You would think
> SOMEONE would know better.
>
> But when I have tightened it this way, it never has threatened to want to
> loosen, and has never leaked because it wasn't tight enough. But those
> crushable O-rings did leak every time I tried to re-use them - every time.
> I shed no tears that I won't be using them anymore.

Are we still talking drain plug here or the filter canister? I can't
imagine a drain plug being only finger tightened and not leaking or
backing out from vibration.

Matt

 

I was going to say the same thing, Matt. ) I don't have enough b***s to
only finger tighten a drain plug......

PS: I liked your other comment about acceleration of 4 versus 6.


"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
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> Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:
>> Regarding those crushable gaskets (that I no longer have to deal with,
>> and as I was told just this afternoon, are being replaced with "standard
>> O-rings" at all Hyundai and Kia dealers), my rule was to tighten with my
>> two smallest fingers. It could just barely crush the O-ring until it
>> "just" seated tight.
>>
>> It feels almost loose (not too much trouble ever) getting it off the next
>> time. Which goes to show you how tight some of these bozos tighten these
>> things at fast oil change places and even dealerships. You would think
>> SOMEONE would know better.
>>
>> But when I have tightened it this way, it never has threatened to want to
>> loosen, and has never leaked because it wasn't tight enough. But those
>> crushable O-rings did leak every time I tried to re-use them - every
>> time. I shed no tears that I won't be using them anymore.
>
> Are we still talking drain plug here or the filter canister? I can't
> imagine a drain plug being only finger tightened and not leaking or
> backing out from vibration.
>
> Matt

 

Sorry, fellas - I guess I do communicate rather poorly. I use my two
smallest fingers at the end of my socket wrench, with the wrench pointing
down. My guess is that I can still put about 20-25 pounds of pressure using
that method, but no more (a torque wrench confirmed that once). And those
two fingers can't possibly over-tighten it. It is tight, and when it is
time to take it off, it definitely takes more than it took to get it off,
but compared to what I have to do after someone else puts it on, it's a
breeze.

Tom Wenndt


"Rev. Tom Wenndt" <trwenndt@grics.net> wrote in message
news:eqj7a705u3@enews1.newsguy.com...
> Regarding those crushable gaskets (that I no longer have to deal with, and
> as I was told just this afternoon, are being replaced with "standard
> O-rings" at all Hyundai and Kia dealers), my rule was to tighten with my
> two smallest fingers. It could just barely crush the O-ring until it
> "just" seated tight.
>
> It feels almost loose (not too much trouble ever) getting it off the next
> time. Which goes to show you how tight some of these bozos tighten these
> things at fast oil change places and even dealerships. You would think
> SOMEONE would know better.
>
> But when I have tightened it this way, it never has threatened to want to
> loosen, and has never leaked because it wasn't tight enough. But those
> crushable O-rings did leak every time I tried to re-use them - every time.
> I shed no tears that I won't be using them anymore.
>
> Tom Wenndt
>
>
> "Tom" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:Xu7zh.1418$O8.1314@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>> Wow, a bagfull for nothing!!! My money-grubbing dealer counted them out
>> and charged a buck a piece. That was a month after he raped me $75 for a
>> 7500 mile 'check up' which, I found out later, didn't cover a darn thing
>> that Hyundai required to maintain the warrantee. Hence, I change my own
>> oil, keep receipts and box ends from the filters, and won't be back until
>> I really need him.
>>
>>
>> "Rev. Tom Wenndt" <trwenndt@grics.net> wrote in message
>> news:eqi7tp02f5l@enews1.newsguy.com...
>>>I get them by the bagful from my dealership for no charge.
>>>
>>> And it is nice to know that someone else finally is saying this - I got
>>> taken to task on this board for making this claim. Yes, those crushable
>>> washers DO leak.
>>>
>>> Good news is that the latest bag I just got from my dealer is not the
>>> crushable ones. Just standard O-rings that should last just fine now.
>>>
>>> Tom Wenndt
>>>
>>>
>>> "Tom" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>> news:eURyh.392$I8.306@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>>>> One thing I learned the hard way is that you HAVE to replace that darn
>>>> aluminum crushable washer under the drain plug. If you don't, I WILL
>>>> leak. The stealership wants a dollar a piece for them. If you search
>>>> the internet you can find Hyundai filers and the washers as a combo
>>>> deal.
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jose Juan Miqueleno" <miggie@juno.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:0dtms2d1cj5acnu41f3knb8qv3nfifcaqo@4ax.com...
>>>>> On 8 Feb 2007 10:23:48 -0800, "komobu" <curranpg@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi;
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I changed the oil in my 2006 Sonata with a 3.3 V6 engine. Yesterday
>>>>>>all was fine. When I started it up this morning, about a quart or two
>>>>>>of oil was leak spilling out on the ground. The drain plug was fine. I
>>>>>>replaced the oil filter cartridge and both oil rings on it. There
>>>>>>didnt appear to be any oil leaking from the oil filter area. It looks
>>>>>>like it is coming out by the transaxle. Any idea what it could be?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks
>>>>>>Pat
>>>>>
>>>>> Looks like the Soanta is still under warranty - take it to the dealer!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

 

Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote:

> Sorry, fellas - I guess I do communicate rather poorly. I use my two
> smallest fingers at the end of my socket wrench, with the wrench pointing
> down. My guess is that I can still put about 20-25 pounds of pressure using
> that method, but no more (a torque wrench confirmed that once). And those
> two fingers can't possibly over-tighten it. It is tight, and when it is
> time to take it off, it definitely takes more than it took to get it off,
> but compared to what I have to do after someone else puts it on, it's a
> breeze.

Whew, you had me worried there for a second that you were a Gorilla that
had learned how to type and change oil! :-)

Matt

 

My fiance has a 2007 Sonata and I'll be doing the oil change for her
soon. I have a Honda and it too requires a crush washer on the oil
drain plug. It is no secret that the more you take that plug on and off
the more chance you have of stripping the threads (too tight) or leaking
oil (too loose). You almost have to have a torque wrench to do it
right.

On my Honda I wanted something that would make this chore easier. I
also wanted to be able to take oil samples now and then for used oil
analysis tests. After dumping the factory fill, I installed a Fumoto
valve and oil changes and samples are now a piece of cake. AND, I never
have to worry about the drain plug again. The Fumoto is there forever.
Some people are afraid the spring will come loose but I can't see how.
Maybe a lot of off roading (which one would not attempt in a Sonata
anyway) might present a danager but they have safety wires to place on
the spring if you off road a lot.

I'm sold on this contraption and went ahead and bought one for her
Sonata (about $30 shipped). The device comes with washers and will work
in any position you want, even upside down. If anyone is interested, I
would suggest getting the one with nipple so that a hose can be attached
from the valve directly to the drain pan. Like I said, nothing could be
easier and you'll never get a leak - if it is installed right the first
time that is.

I know I sound like an ad but I'm not connected with them in anyway; I'm
only suggesting the Fumoto valve as a one time fix solution to the
problem of oil drain plugs and crush washers.

MARTY

 

"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Tom" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:eURyh.392$I8.306@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
> > One thing I learned the hard way is that you HAVE to replace that darn
> > aluminum crushable washer under the drain plug. If you don't, I WILL
> > leak. The stealership wants a dollar a piece for them. If you search
the
> > internet you can find Hyundai filers and the washers as a combo deal.
> >
> > Tom
>
> When I bought the filters at my dealer (8.99) he gave me the washers. I
> never thought about it until he handed them to me. If he hadn't, I
probably
> would have just re-used the original. Actually, no the guy that does my
oil
> changes would have. He did not have a Hyundai filter as they are not
> readily available for his usual sources.
>
>

I found out about (and bought) the crush washer after my 3rd oil change. I
have kept it in reserve thus far and just finished my 8th oil change (@
24,735 miles) using the original with no leaks to report yet.


KW

 

On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 22:42:02 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net>
wrote:

>I tend towards the opposite problem. What I think is tight enough tends
>to be about 2X TOO tight.

I agree. You only need about 10 Lbs Ft to get a good seal.
unfortunately, that needs doubling that to ensure the plug won't
vibrate loose.

I would like to see a plug with an O ring, with a nylon insert to
prevent loosening. But,,, that would add .50 to the building cost of
the car.
-

Bob

 

Bob Adkins wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 22:42:02 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>I tend towards the opposite problem. What I think is tight enough tends
>>to be about 2X TOO tight.
>
>
> I agree. You only need about 10 Lbs Ft to get a good seal.
> unfortunately, that needs doubling that to ensure the plug won't
> vibrate loose.
>
> I would like to see a plug with an O ring, with a nylon insert to
> prevent loosening. But,,, that would add .50 to the building cost of
> the car.

They could make it an extra cost option? :-)

Matt